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Michael547:
Because a tiger is a tiger because of the information recorded in the DNA of it's cell to become a tiger which could allow for some variation or specie. But it can never become an ape because its cell does not have the biological information that ape cell has. That is what science tells us today. If reverse was the case, animals from different families would have been breaded in laboratories all over the world.

show me evidence that a tiger cannot become an ape since tigers never existed forever and obviously came from other animals.

Develop a scientific model that inhibits that

Michael547:
So how is it possible for natural selection to biologically alter the information recorded in the DNA of a cell of an animal to make it become another animal entirely?

Natural selection the the process by which the environment selects the best gene to survive that environment, which changes gene frequencies of a group of organisms.

Constant changing gene frequencies in a group of organisms over time will basically portray different phenotypic features up to the extent of speciation.

It’s not rocket science

Michael547:
That is exactly the whole point of evolution. I sincerely believe in mutation, variation and speciation because they are scientifically proven. But science today helps us to understand that there is a biological limit to which those aforementioned processes can occur within a living organism. The whole idea that all living things today came from a single living cell is not biologically and scientifically possible. It cannot be proven anywhere not even in a lab with the best scientist.

if you believe speciation then why do you think a population of unicellular organisms cannot speciate many times into a multicellular organism?
We have evidence that they did anyways in the DNA, it’s written there clearly because multicellular organism still conserved many genes gotten from unicellular organisms.

That’s hot even a debate

Michael547:
Evolution says so

Evolution is the change in gene frequency within a population of organisms through natural selection.

How does that mean that a goat can give birth to a chicken?

Michael547:
Evolution says so

What evolution says so?
Have I been poring water on a rock?

Which textbook of biology’s says evolution now when a goat gives birth to a Chicken?

Michael547:
But you've never given me an example of how you claim about evolution can happen. We have countless species of animals on earth today. Which one have you seen evolved completely into another animal?

An example is Galapagos finches But you want an example of a goat giving birth to a chicken.

Michael547:
If they turned entirely into another animal, then why do you still call them finches. Me and you both know that tigers can never evolve to become apes because they have a biological barrier that would never let them get to that extent.

Says who?
How did you know that a tiger cannot evolve to an ape?
Educate me on that

Michael547:
If we all came from one organism....then why is it hard to proof the complete evolution of an organism from one form to another?
What you are having are new species within a kind of animal or organism with the same biological makeup. You are not actually creating another type of organism. There will always be a biological barrier of how much variation an organism can exhibit. It can never turn entirely into something else. That is what science know today.

Its not hard to prove, you are the person wanting to believe that animals can appear and disappear in the fossil record magically instead of the logical explanation that they evolved from each other. Which what actually happened.

It can turn into entirely something else, that’s the only logical explanation to fossil records and it’s the only logical explanation to transition fossils.

It’s you who won’t accept anything other man magic.

We even have millions of transition fossils to prove that living organism evolved but ypu won’t accept it until I insert magic into it

It’s impossible for animals to appear magicallyz have you seen any animals appearing magically?

The whole essence of this is to somehow find a way to insert your god in a gap

Michael547:
Did the new species became entirely another animal?

ofcourse it’s an entirely different animal.
Is a tiger not an entire different animal from lion even when we classify both as felines?

Michael547:
Does sexual preference justify that they became another animal entirely? Are they not still Galapagos finches with the same functionalities as their predecessors?

What are expecting to hear?

That a cat can give birth to a chicken?

lhordspy:
What is this?

This is Aba not anywhere near kaduna. Stop fooling yourself. I know gumi market so well. And this is not kaduna but Aba.

Cant you see the faces of people present there?. Who resemble hausa/fulani there?

Yiibo people always wanting to famz hausa. The friendship that never existed before and will never exist.

Your cry never start, wait until February.

We go carry this election to everyone’s door like Jehovah witness members.
Every nook and cranny of naija must be obedient before February.

Na only cry you go dey cry

They are busy wasting monies on big useless rallies with paid crowd, we are directly reaching out to the electorates

We will shock all of you in February. No be by spending stolen monies

Michael547:
Are the new specie of Galapagos finch different from the older ones biologically? Are they not still of the same biological stock?

we have different species that cannor mare with older one, what do you mean by stock?

A neve species has evidently emerged, can you deal with that?

We are technically all same biological stock cos we all evolved from one organism

[quote author=Michael547 post=118849310][/quote]i am telling you that a new Galapagos finch species emerged and we know from which species it emerged from.

We also have evidence of many species of microorganisms emerging with evidence of the species they emerged from.

They didn’t just appear by magic

Michael547:
Animals went extinct the same way animals go extinct today. We have a lot of animals today that are endangered species not because they are evolving but their populations are been threatened by natural or human action.

So why are they disappearing if the only explanation is that they can’t evolve?

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Michael547:
Are the new specie of Galapagos finch different from the older ones biologically? Are they not still of the same biological stock?

They are different, they cannot mate with the old species.
They also have different phenotypic features.

How did they emerge?

Michael547:
Because that group of families of fish appeared suddenly. Which suggests that they were created but did not evolve. Right from time they have always been completely developed. No gradual development noticed by the fossil records.

But we can’t find this claim of them ring created in the fossil record because the earth is 4.6billion years, how come it appeared 50million years ago?

How come another species of Galapagos finches appeared 30years Ago?

Why are animals going extinct?
Does this mean that we had more animals then than now?

Why are fossils appearing and disappearing?

So you want to insert creation magic into science?

Michael547:
I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then.

Lets assume the fossil has been dated for since 50million years?

Why Didnt it date 3.5billion years ago?

Why did it appear 50million years ago?

Michael547:
I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1055790310001405

Read this research on science direct

Michael547:
What is the name of this animal?

snakehead fish

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Michael547:
So are you saying that for now there is no possible explanation of how an organism can biologically change completely into another organism? Are we believing evolution by faith too instead of practical exact explanation?

When a dice is spinning, it’s hard to say exactly where it will end, it doesn’t mean that you should accept the fact that the dice is spinning by faith.

Look at the animal below in the picture, is that animal a fish or amphibian?
That’s probably hard to call for someone who doesn’t really know the animal. This animal breath both on land and in water comfortably.
It has an organ capable of breathing water and air.
This animals evolutionary trend is very predictable because we know that this animal has always lived in the water and it’s a fish, but right now it’s adapting to live on land, it’s fins over generations are tilting towards walking on land. It’s gills are changing to something that can breath air but it’s still a fish and it will remain a fish for a long time.

However, it’s most likely going to evolve into something that specifically lives on land in many years and it might even evolve back into a solely aquatic animals depending on the environment.

How did we know this? we cannot find the fossil of this exact kind of fish in the record 10million years ago, so we know that this feature didn’t exist forever.

Michael547:
Ok thank you. So What will it take biologically for a Galapagos finch to evolve into another organism in a different family of animals? Can a finch family of birds evolve to family of apes? Is that biologically feasible?

No one can predict evolutionary progress accurately this is because the genes that survives long enough to be passed down to offsprings is determined by the environment and in a constantly changing evironment (Which is hard to predict), anything is possible with enough time. This is what we call natural selection.

The idea is mutation/recombination, variation, changing environment and time to adapt. If any species doesn’t have any of this, that species will go extinct hence the reason we find a lot of fossils of extinct species

MaxInDHouse:
Adam and Eve were the first perfect looking creatures until their descendants began moving towards different locations to experience different temperatures and atmospheric conditions.

So neither Adam nor Eve is African, American, Asian, European or Australian.

I just don't see any reason why you're disputing this simple logic yet you want me to agree that all these people came from APE.

Abeg how come we have different skin colour and languages if all were APES?

Ọmọ creation na bàbá evolution na madness!

so how did we get different Dillon colours?

Michael547:
Alright....if we both agree that fossils records show that apes came suddenly, What could have been the cause?

The cause is that Apes must have come from other closely related kind of animals that existed before them.

They didn’t come via a magic wand did they? Just as a new species of Galapagos finches didn’t come from thin air 30years ago

Michael547:
Can you kindly give more scientific explanation about the biological difference between the new specie of the galapagos finch and their previous parents specie?

Finch is a group


Are they not all still finches made up of the same biological stock?[/quote]finches is a family of birds, and not species.
If you remember in your ss1 taxonomy class in biology, living organism are classified from kingdom to phylum to class, to order, to family, to genus and finally species (we also have subspecies). A species of organism are a population of organisms that are genetically compatible to reproduce to have fertile offsprings ( e.g., lions and tigers can mate to produce offsprings, however their offspring are usually sterile hence we cannot classify them as one species, however a subspecies of lion like asiatic lion can mate with African lion to produce fertile offsprings).

Speciation is the moment in a line of evolutionary lineage where one of the offsprings can no longer mate with any of the ancestral species.

Finches is a family of bird and not a species, Just as apes are an order of primate and not a species. If one species of finch emerges, it’s still a finch in the family of finch.

However, with more and more time, this evolution progresses into the level of genus, to order, to family, to class, to phylum and kingdom. It’s why we have 7 kingdoms of living organism, it took more than 3.5billion years just to get 7 kingdoms of animals, it takes lesser to get more species

Michael547:
I get your point. But does the fact that crocodiles roamed with dinosaurs gives scientific proof that they evolved from dinosaurs? If apes are not found to be roaming with dinosaurs and have been existing for about 5 million years till today, does that not suggest that they could have come suddenly?

I didn’t say that crocodile evolved from Dinosaurs.

Yes that suggest that Apes came suddenly. Because when we go deeper down the strata, the lesser the frequency of seeing apes related fossils until you finally don’t see them all. As you screen back up, ape fossils becomes more frequently seen.

The deeper down you go, the more frequent you see Dinosaurs, if you screen back up, the lesser you see them until the disappear

In the fossil records, fossil appear and disappear at some point. The evidence we have for that is that a lot of those fossils are not longer in existence anymore.



I see that you are very open-minded, do you mind if I explain to you how geology works in relation to fossil records so you can get the clear picture?

MaxInDHouse:
Please who recorded the events 5million years and 4.6billions years ago?

You guys just think because you want to hide under science you can fool everyone!

Real SCIENCE (SENSE) made us understand that life on this planet began in less than 7,000 years so who recorded your 4.6billion years account?

who is Asian between Adam and Eve?

MaxInDHouse:
SCIENCE agreed difference in circumstances and temperature of geographical locations on this planet do affect the looks of creatures living there. So help yourself!

wjo was African between Adam and Eve.

Answer that question

Michael547:
Ok are you trying to say that mutation and variation is the same as evolution? Cause the theory of evolution teaches that changes can occur within a specific organism and completely change it to another organism. Wheareas mutation and variation do not biologically change an organism to a different one but most times changes physical properties of a kind of organism while the organism remains biologically the same. For example while we have different colours of humans, we are still biologically made up of the same stock. So which one?

Mutation and variation is the basis of evolution, it’s the driver for evolution.
That’s actual what evolution is. Without variation,the diversity we have today will be impossible and you and I won’t be here today

However, when mutation and recombination occurs over a long period of time, to an extent that the resultant species can no longer mate with the parent species, speciation occurs.

I see that you do not really understand evolution, you have the impression that evolution is when another organism becomes another, no. Evolution is the little change that occurs at every point of reproduction that is passed than to offsprings.

With time, these changes accumulate and are driven by natural selection, which then eventually may cause speciation.


Speciation: When a species can no longer mate with any of its ancestral species.

An example of recent speciation can be seen in the emergence of a new species of a Galapagos finch that can no longer mate with their existing parent species, they can only mate with themselves and they evolved into another species few decades ago.

Michael547:
I get your point. But does the fossils that are found today prove that ancient animals evolved into different kinds of animals today?

Yes it does, the reason it does is because you can find them in a specific arrangement in the strata of the earth crust, which when you date them shows that one of them comes from the other.

For example, there’s never going to be a time when you will find a fossil of an Ape where you find that of Dinosaurs, this is because Apes didn’t live with Dinosaurs. However, we have evidence that crocodiles roamed with Dinosaurs because we can find crocodile fossils in the same stratum where we find that of dinosaurs.

This gives clear indication that Crocodiles roamed this earth before apes come on board.

If you argue this then explain to me how come we always do not find Ape fossils farther than 5million years ago?
Where did Apes come from if the earth is 4.6billion years?

MaxInDHouse:
Genesis chapter 11
Explained how God confused man's language and from there people that speak the same language began moving towards the same place. As for our colour thousands of years in different locations of the earth changed people's looks but their language remains the one their ancestors first spoke at Babel!

The question is clear:
If evolution is not true then among Adam and Eve, whos Caucasian, whos Asian or African?

How did we get all these racial skin and eye color?

How did an Arabian Adam become a block Seun?

Michael547:
Can you explain better on how evolution has affected the human race starting from Adam.

Evolution is the change in gene frequency in a population of organisms.
This happens via mutations and recombination of genes, leading to variations.

If evolution is not true, how did we get racial variation as a result of change in gene frequencies From Adam and Eve?

Cos if variations and gene frequencies didn’t change and drift, everyone will look exactly like Adam and Eve or either of them or a combined exactly replica of Abel And Cain.

Without evolution, Cain and Abel will be exact same replica