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Realist12:
man is not perfect. Atheism will cause more wars . Tell me what do atheist hold to heart . Lets imagine a world without religion. Are you saying man made constitution can bring about peace ? Can you imagine a society without religion with uneducated people.
You don't know that religion is the pillar of a stable society .
It's the first source of education and laws governing human.
You talk about Satan and death . If you take away the hopes of reward after death or suffering after death in the minds of men . No legal laws can govern such society . I've said it man cannot rule man without the knowledge of a superior being.

You are making things up from thing air.
And it's worrisome that you reason this way

MaxInDHouse:
This is really hilarious!
So it's the making of mobile devices that you call knowledge outside the Bible shey?
Perhaps you need to check the Bible too for fried rice and chicken, pounded yam and vegetable soup or the soap used in bathing in ancient times!

Ọmọ your IQ low o!

Well let's say you need enlightenment, so i'll teach you. Mobile devices are part of modern technology, it's called "advancement in the system of communication"
Before now people have been communicating one way or another and as time goes on we keep finding ways to improve on it that's what gave birth to TELECOMMUNICATION.

There are many things people use back then that mankind keep improving on it, cooking, traveling, documenting, clothing, housing, marketing, advertisement, entertainment and so on. All these are things God provided ready made tools that each time mankind finds it we make use of them.
God created bird with legs that can't be affected by electric wires long before mankind discovered electricity. So He already know we will discover so many things as we continue to live on this planet on our own.
What matters to Him is how we can cohabit peacefully! Isaiah 2:2-4

Why am I even replying you sef?

You don't deserve any response from me. You are dull

Realist12:
man is not perfect. Atheism will cause more wars . Tell me what do atheist hold to heart . Lets imagine a world without religion. Are you saying man made constitution can bring about peace ? Can you imagine a society without religion with uneducated people.
You don't know that religion is the pillar of a stable society .
It's the first source of education and laws governing human.
You talk about Satan and death . If you take away the hopes of reward after death or suffering after death in the minds of men . No legal laws can govern such society . I've said it man cannot rule man without the knowledge of a superior being.

how did you know that atheism will cause more war?
Give me a sound logic to that

Realist12:
I'm not defending Christianity, I'm defending religion as a whole. All I'm saying is without religion we won't be civilized as we presently are . Think of it as different ideologies practiced by different societies.

this is an assumption and it's most likely unverifiable

It gave room for coordination and peace in each society thereby reducing chaos and ensuring growth . Man cannot rule man without those religious laws . And what you're preaching atheism would have caused enough chaos and anarchy then.
Our current laws are fashioned on religious principles.

We have fought more wars because of relgious than any other reason. Religion divides people and there's evidence here in Nigeria that religion divides and cause wars in boko haram

MaxInDHouse:
Please share with me the BENEFITS of your KNOWLEDGE outside the Bible?

for example, benefit of knowledge outside the Bible makes your mobile phone and internet work. I'm sure you are benefitting from that knowledge, at least to argue about your delusions.

If you disagree, you may have to show me the part of the Bible that talks about how to make internet and mobile phones work.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's see how intelligent they truly are!

So you think you are intelligent like this?
You who don't know anything outside of the Bible

Realist12:
You all keeps criticizing religion , religion being man made or true has shaped humanity .
Religion provided man the first laws and guidance.

yes, those laws are mondane and cruel. Have you seen the cruel laws in the old testament. Dude, we have religous laws until 17th centuries where whicj ensures that witches get burnt on a stake.

Before we had constitution and laws religion gave us conscience.

we won't constitute another set of laws if relgious laws worked. Imagine living by the mosaic laws of thr Bible, is that thr kind of society you want to live in?

We have several religious organizations with opposing views and errors. But religion preached love , preached conscience and justice gave hope in death if not man won't be where we are today .
Without morality we can't have legality.

Religion preaching love and having a God who burns those who don't agree with him is ironic. Seriously it is.
What's the love in killing almost everybody on the world because they didn't agree with you?
What's the love in creating the devil to torment humans, refusing to get rid of the devil and then putting the blame on the so called sinners for your failed plan?

MrBrownJay1:
the only way to be able to counter any rubbish a xtian says, is to be highly educated in their holybook.... no two ways about it!

yes, exactly why I read it. How do you even reject what you dont understand.

Because the Bible is a highly influential work, and an understanding of its mythology and lore is relevant to understanding history, politics, literature, philosophy, and many other matters. Additionally, several theists invoke the Bible incorrectly to advocate policies with which you disagree, and it’s rather important that you be able to cite their errors, inconsistencies, and hypocrisy.

Moreover, as a collection of mythic tales, it contains stories that are inspirational and instructive, and several passages of beauty

cornelboy:
Sarcasm or no sarcasm, smart or not smart, what he said is what he said.

Even if God should show himself today and prove that he's God, some people would not still believe.

He's an atheist and I really pity him. Well he won't be the only to perish like he said.

God doesn't exist, that's why he never shows up. You should pity yourself for being so ignorant

Ibomrep:
Here's the condition of the Dead

(1) When pronouncing sentence upon Adam God said ' Dust you are and to dust you will return'.
Genesis 3:19

(2) When a person dies he ' goes back to the ground; in that day his thoughts got perished'.
Psalms 146:4

(3) The Dead are unconscious.
The Dead knows nothing. There is no pursuit, no plans, no knowledge or intelligence within the grave.
Ezekiel 9:5,10

(4) Jesus likened dead to sleep.
John 11:11

(5) The soul can die.
The soul that is sining - it itself will die.
Ezekiel 18:4

Leviticus 21:1 and Numbers 6:6 talks about a dead soul.

When Elijah was distressed he began to ask that his soul might die.
1 King 19:4

Jonah asked that his soul might die.
Jonah 4:8.

The Bible says that ' the wages of sin is death.
Romans 6:23

So punishment for any sin a person committed during his or her lifetime, when he or she dies he or she automatically received it.

There's no other place to receive another punishment because once he dies he is unconscious hence can't feel pain, just like during a deep sleep.

Any question about this ?
Please visit WWW.JW.ORG

lol, this one needs to go back to school to understand what the word "fact" means.

Your topic should be "key personal myth of what happens when we die"

IMAliyu:
There are people of African decent that contributed to science and tech, but just aren't talked about much. Due to various sociopolitical reasons, they say the victors write the history which in this case are the Europeans and those of European decent.

Some example of these individuals Lewis Howard Latimer, Charles Whitten.

We as Africans have a long way to go before we get the world to pay serious attention to us.

While are agree with you that there are people in Africa who contributed in science but this begs the question as to how much of th proportion in contribution has Africa made?

Let me tell you the truth, Africans need to wake up. We are still struggling with rationality here hence its limiting our ability to compete with out contemporaries.

cornelboy:
False religion is actually pushing people to their destruction.

God never created hell fire nor said he will burn people in it.

If Buhari started burning people alive as punishment for their crimes, how would we feel about him?

You are not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Elon Musk statement

MaxInDHouse:
So what's the difference?
It's white men that brought the Bible and you're still quoting the same white men as if you've gotten something better.
Can't you think of anything Africans ever said?
Must it always be all about whatever the white man say?

Africans do not have the mental rigiour to be relevant yet.
Because the whole world wants Africa's resources, Africans want the sky

Last but not the least

20. Erwin Schrodinger

Although he was raised in a religious household as a Lutheran, he himself was an atheist. However, he had strong interests in Eastern religions and pantheism, and he used religious symbolism in his works. He also believed his scientific work was an approach to Divinity, albeit in an intellectual sense.

19. Peter Higgs

Higgs is an atheist. He has described Richard Dawkins as having adopted a "fundamentalist" view of non-atheists. Higgs expressed later that he was displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".

18. Anthony Fauci

Fauci regards himself as a “humanist” but once identified as a Roman catholic.

17. Timothy Berner-Lee

Berners-Lee was raised as an Anglican, but he turned away from religion in his youth. After he became a parent, he became a Unitarian Universalist (UU).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

In one of his interviews, he responded, although I am atheists but I have faith (faith in what?)

16. Werner Heisenberg

In a 1973 article entitled “Scientific and Religious Truth,” Heisenberg wrote that,

“In the history of science, ever since the famous trial of Galileo, it has repeatedly been claimed that scientific truth cannot be reconciled with the religious interpretation of the world. Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own field, I have never found it possible to dismiss the content of religious thinking as simply part of an outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind, a part we shall have to give up from now on. Thus in the course of my life I have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the relationship of these two regions of thought, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to which they point.” (Heisenberg 1974, 213).

He was obviously not religious, more like Agnostic or Atheist.

15. Neil Tyson deggrase.

It said, "Neil deGrasse Tyson is an atheist" again – within a week! – and I said, "What's up with that?" and I said, “All right, I have to word it a little differently." So I said, “Okay, Neil deGrasse Tyson, widely claimed by atheists, is actually an agnostic."

So Tyson is agnostic.

14. J J Thompson

J. J. Thomson was a reserved yet devout Anglican. His early education was in small private schools where he demonstrated outstanding talent and interest in science. In 1870, he was admitted to Owens College in Manchester (now University of Manchester) at the unusually young age of 14.

Source: Wikipedia

13. Neil Bohr

Some of Bohr's biographers suggested that this disagreement stemmed from Kierkegaard's advocacy of Christianity, while Bohr was an atheist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Niels Bohr - Wikipedia

12. Richard Feynman

Feynman's parents were both from Jewish families but not religious, and by his youth, Feynman described himself as an "avowed atheist".
Even if one comes to doubt the factuality of divinity itself, Feynman argues that religious myths remain a valuable moral compass.

11. Francis Crick

Francis Crick was an evangelical atheist. He believed that scientific understanding removed the need for religious explanations of natural phenomena. From James Watson's and his early work, the structure of DNA explained the α, the origins of life.

10. Gregor Mendel.

Considered to be the father of modern genetics, Mendel was deeply rooted in his Christian faith, and he passionately tried to convey his conviction and experience to others.

9. James Watson

Watson is an atheist. In 2003, he was one of 22 Nobel Laureates who signed the Humanist Manifesto.

8. Lious Pasteur

Pasteur was also a Catholic, openly hostile to materialism, atheism, and free thought.

7. Michael Farady

Faraday was a devout Christian, remaining loyal to the church throughout his life. While Michael Faraday's research efforts made advancements in chemistry, he is best known for his work in physics with electricity and magnetism.
https://www.csueastbay.edu › contents
Michael Faraday - Cal State East Bay

6. Charles Darwin

Darwin was an atheist with regard to the Christian God due to most of his comment but he was never an atheist in the full sense of the word. He remained a “theist” throughout the 1850s and '60s, although the God he believed in was now the God of first causes and, properly speaking, he was more deist than theist during this period.

5. Thomas Edison

“I do not believe in the God of the theologians, but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt,” Edison said in a 1910 interview in the New York Times Magazine. He also said, “Nature made us — nature did it all — not the gods of the religions.” Still, Edison said that statement did not mean he was an atheist.

Edison was more like a deist.

4. Stephen hawkings

He said by himself "But now science offers a more convincing explanation (than religion) ,” he said. “What I meant by 'we would know the mind of God' is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn't. I'm an atheist.”
14 Mar 2018

3. Maria curie

Curie, being Polish and living most of her life in France, was surrounded by Catholicism and her mother was an active Catholic. Her father, who was a physics professor in Warsaw, is cited as having been a "freethinker,"which is code for atheist.

Curie herself was not religious, and is often considered an atheist,[2] but it seems more likely given her scientific worldview that she was more of an agnostic. She said:

Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.