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helinues:
Here we go, just because of politics, they wouldn't mind to create a dent history thread about their opponents, same thing hunting Peter Obi today.

I don't know if some of una no dey reason things through before rushing to post online. Those who attacked Gov Soludo unnecessary during the election would have the opportunity to vent their anger with no basis.

Hian

I genuinely want to know what Soludo is doing

More than a year now, nothing to write home about.

What's he doing?

What's Soludo even doing in Anambra state?

Initial gra gra 🤣
Na today we dey hear this one?

Bizzyman:
Are you the only you? Is there another you?

Jesus didn't start any religion. He is the way and and ask humans to follow his way to meet God.

Same way Adam was the first man but lost connection with God. Jesus came to reconnect us back to God by being the way.

If you looking for religion, you will get lost. Jesus is the bridge between man and God. Enter the bridge, walk and meet God.

While at it, be holy for God is Holy and without holiness, no man can see God.

End of story.

So Christianity is not a religion 😂

Rhema04:
Lol...

Maybe maybe not

You just have to agree that the holy spirit did it

[quote author=wegevv post=124051599]I have similar issues with fellow Christians on this side. I believe it’s okay to encourage other Christian’s to live Christ-like lives but for those who aren’t saved that really shouldn’t be a focus at all because ultimately the Bible says you can’t be saved by works alone. Focusing on the sins of non-believers is kinda pointless because even if they stopped sinning entirely but still don’t believe then they still aren’t saved.

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[quote]Christians do have a duty to spread the gospel though but I believe that is through their lives, testimonies and prayers rather than judgement and focusing on the “bad behaviours” of non-believers

Well, that duty is why you will have to come with evidence or get backlash. Many people won't just take your words for it.

I disagree, I believe Christianity is the most fundamentally sound religion but I’m obviously biased. Even putting my personal conviction aside, I’m convinced you’re underrating how hard it would be to disprove the existence of the God that Christian’s believe in, as well as Jesus who Christian’s believe is God and is the only way to salvation.

I dont expect any religious person not to believe that his or her own religion is not the most fundamentally sound, is that not why you are practicing that religion in the first place? Some people from sokoto even kill to make that point clear

I agree some Christians can be judgemental and it’s really not useful at all because like stated earlier there is really no reason to be judgemental or try to control the behaviour of those that don’t believe. That alone won’t save them according to scripture anyway so it’s pointless and the wrong angle to take. But I believe irreligious people pick on Christianity because it’s the most fundamentally sound and that tendency also fulfills what scripture says about persecution being part of the Christian experience but I don’t expect you to buy into that if you’re not a believer

Irreligious people will always pick on Christians because Christians don't stay in their spaces. Your duty to always evangelize means that you will be picked on many times. It's simple logic. Christianity are the most vocal religion in the world all in the name of evangelism.
Christians also make more bogus claims than all other religions in terms of miracles, prophesies and revelations. They make these claims so boldly without evidence.

That’s simply because scripture encourages Christian’s to spread the word to the ends of the earth. If you can accept that Christian’s truly believe that all men have sinned and falling short of the glory of God and that Jesus is the only way to salvation then you can appreciate why they would want to share this message to the people they love and care about.

we are saying the same thing, this is why you are getting so much bashing from irreligious people. If you must preach, come with evidence or don't spread it.
Some people will not listen until you provide evidence.

So while I don’t think it’s helpful for Christian’s to try to force non-believers to live their lives in a certain way, they are certainly expected to share the gospel i.e. the story of how man fell from grace with God and how Jesus was sent to save us. They will also inadvertently share why they believe this (their individual testimony)

many Christians don't know when to stop. Seriously

If you don’t believe any of it then I can see why it would be annoying. It’s as annoying as pro-vaccine people pushing the jab on anti-vaxxers (I’m not taking a side on the vaccine here lol just an example). Ultimately we all have to tolerate each other ❤️

All my family members are Christians, I tolerate them.
My fiancé is a Christian, she understands that I don't believe in all these things. It's just my dad that doesn't seem to understand why I am this way but I have always respectfully told him that he should allow me live my life.
Many times my cousins will try to preach to me, I just allow them talk and then tell them okay because I don't want to argue. They always think they are right and it's usually funny.

Bizzyman:
Jesus is not one of the ways. Jesus is the only way. Same way God, The father of the Lord Jesus Christ, is the only God and only Jesus is the way to him.

Any god you meet without going through the way, Jesus Christ, is an idol or Satan disguising as an angel of light...

Satan is a scammer, very cunning and subtle. That's how he deceive Adam and Eve and still deceiving people today...

Don't let Satan deceive you by telling you that you can find God without going through the way, Jesus Christ.

As for those titles you mentioned, forget titles. Many prophets,prophetess, pastors and GOs will be rejected on the last day because they are evil doers in secret but appear holy in public.

Jesus is the only way, so Christianity out of 2000 religion is the only true religion?

Rhema04:
Yes

what if the holy spirit did it?

pyyxxaro:
That’s IMMACULATE 🙌🏿


Na BLUETOOTH e use give am the belle

are you a Christian?

Rhema04:
Inside life... ah ah

Orisirisi

are you a Christian?

Lol, oshey, Mary the mother of Jesus

preciousee17:
Okay. Noted

So you believe first and the search for evidence later.

Go read up on confirmation bias.

LordReed:
Most likely they will shift the goal post.

he already did

LordReed:
I didn't ask for hypothetical or imaginary example, I want a practical demonstration in a controlled environment.

simple, I will be convinced as well if anyone can do this

preciousee17:
Don't worry, my argument with you just ended 😂
You mean a Prophet tells you that the Euphrates River will dry, thousands of years ago. And now the Euphrates River has suddenly dried up. But for you, that's not an evidence that the prophet is legit? It's only claims...
Happy hunting!

lol, you still don't know how to find evidence. It's not how evidence works.

Don't be gullible

preciousee17:
Remember I don't even take you seriously in this argument, so right now I'm just responding to the three questions because I can, and not because I want you to take Christianity Seriously

Now
1. Faith is believe in God.
Do you believe rain will fall tomorrow?
(Yes because God can make rain to fall). That's what faith should be.
(Erm, I'm not sure, it depends). There's no faith there.
(Yes because it's rainy season). There's no faith here.

My question in return: Do you understand this?

I don't believe that rain falls, I know it. Believe only comes in when there's no evidence.
I don't have to believe that if put my television on, provided the television is okay and there is electricity that it will work, I know it. I will do it 1000 times and it will work 1000 times.
Faith does not work that way, faith deals with uncertainties, knowledge doesn't.
So you should be able to differentiate knowledge from belief, they are to different things.

2. You mean a physical method? Sike! Faith is not physical.
Do you believe rain is going to fall tomorrow?
(Yes because God can cause rain to fall).
Take that believe, put it on a scale of 1-10.
I think that's the measurement you'll need

I know faith belief, I don't work with beliefs because it's prone with evidence that there are errors in it.

3. On a scale of 1-10, how strong was your faith? Was it up to 1? Congratulations, you have qualified!
Now is it God's will?
Perhaps yes.
Then the miracle occurs

I don't do faith, I'm agnostic. It's either I know or I don't and it's only evidence that brings knowledge.
I cant say how much of faith I had but I'm sure that I doubted a lot of things as a Christian, they weren't adding up because there was no evidence for them. Surprisingly, I started seeing a lot of evidence against them after

preciousee17:
What you are saying now is not what I said. Please quote me by my words so we can have a healthy argument

in reality, do you think that 2 kangaroos, Emu birds, cassowaries and Kiwi can hop accross Indian Ocean or a arctic to join Noah's ark 4,000 Years ago in the middle east and back to Australia and new Zealand without a trace of that happening?

preciousee17:
Yes. Expatiate further please.

So tell me how I can confirm that a virgin was able to conceive without fertilization in "reality".

Reality is the keyword

preciousee17:
Oh, how did weapons of war get invented?
War tactics? Instruments of music? Haven't you heard in the news that the remains of Noah's Ark was discovered? (That kind of news won't be publicized and that was the first ship in the world). What of clothes? Bells etc. All those things from the time of the Bible, isn't it only passing through redesign now?

There's no single verifiable evidence in science that the Noah's ark ever existed, if you have one, you can show us and let's analyze it.
And if you believe a news of wooden remnant of an ark surviving for more than 4000 years then we may have to take you on basic science class on decomposition by saprophytes.

preciousee17:
Till you confront the things you have been asked, I'm not sure I can take your argument seriously anymore. Already you've said the same thing over and over again and I'd love to hear something new.

In this case, we Christians can see
You Atheists can't see.
How do we prove to you that the moon exists?

Don't dodge this

The blind man and the moon analogy is a faulty equivalent fallacy and a strawman at the same time.

It's a faulty equivalence because the blind man is convinced that he's blind while I'm not convinced that I'm blind with respect to spirituality. The blind man knows that some people can actually see the physical but he's incapable of doing it, in my case I don't think the spiritaul relam eixst.

You don't have to convince the blind man that the physical relam exist before telling him about the moon, he is convinced, even if he cannot see it, he feels it and hears it. You have to convince me first the spiritual realm exist, because I have not seen any evidence that it does.

So the analogy is fallacious and so illogical

preciousee17:
You actually searched Google for the answer to this question... Wow, so desperate

How did I know it's strawman if I don't know it already. I just want to show you to stop arguing in that manner.
It's illogical

preciousee17:
This very statement should prompt all Christians that care to respond, to avoid using much strength on this man.

What you mean here is that if I heal you of your lungs disease (personal encounter), it's still not reliable and you won't believe in God because of that? You've said many vain words, but I don't know how many Atheists agree with this one...

If you heal me of lung infection, how do we know that it's your healing that cured me or that it's not just my immune system that fought it or something I eat or took or just placebo effect?

The only way to find out is if we tell you heal several people with lung infections at a controlled environment so we can measure the potency of your healing prowess.
We will make a category of some people the control ( you won't pray for these people), then we can now compare the success rate of those you prayed for as against the control to be able to know for sure that it's your prayer that worked.

preciousee17:
You said:
1. The Bible is not evidence, it's only claims...
The sooner you understand what the Bible is, the better for us both. The word 'Bible' means 'Book of Books'. It is a compilation of biographies, history documentaries and letters written to different people and for different reasons across a span of hundreds of years. These letters, documentaries and biographies were only compiled recently because it's hard handling them apart. When we say evidence is in the Bible, we are telling you to look at the documented handwork of God that shows in the history that is recorded in that book that is in the Bible. When you call documented history 'claims' then I wonder how you manage to believe documented history from scientists...

I understand what the bible. The Bible is another religious book followed by a sect thsy believes that its divine and its the truth and no other book is higher. Every religion think the same about their book
There's no evidence in the Bible, the Bible is the claim that Christians are selling. Just like every other religion.

2. Miracles are also claims (wow I literally laughed)
So tell me, did we say God is a fairy, waiting to heal all? Or we said He's a Father with emotions and a plan. If He doesn't plan to heal you, shall we then force Him? Try if you can. Then on another level, there has been millions of live miracles where atheists and unbelievers were healed, but you don't accept that as evidence, only claims... You wish to use the power of God to conduct an experiment. Go ahead and good luck

miracle are also claim and most times they are bogus. No one has ever presented a duly tested miracle.

3. No evidence that God is in 'us'
Sorry I didn't say that God is in us (as in me and you)
I meant that God is in us (Christians)
Yes, nothing for you here unless you can be in our body and soul for a few minutes.

again, this is what you been taught in your religion, other religions think otherwise and it doesn't mean that yours is the truth. Evidence is needed to prove it.

4. (Open question for any atheist, don't y'all believe in Big Bang? If not, please how do you think Earth was created?)
5. ... You lost me here. I told him to either believe in healing as the power of God, or as a coincidence. I'm not forcing the young man to believe in God, he has options

I am not an atheist and I don't understand what big bang got to do with the existence of a god.
For the records, I don't know if a god exist or not, when I mean a god, I mean a creator but I am sure that this God does not have the attributes that Christians are selling even if he exists. We have confirmed so many times that the claims of Christians about the attributes of god is false and mostly vague.
Albiet, I still think we have many things to learn frkm Christians doctrines with respect to kindness and I like the life of Christ but it doesn't mean that the literal stories in the Bible are true. It will make sense if you see them as allegories.

preciousee17:
Please go back and read the first page of the thread.
In summary, the fact that people can tell you the future before it happens (prophets, voodoo priests, mediums etc.) is a sure proof

Have you heard of Astral Projection? It's not a Christian stuff but look it up

Prophets, voodoo, mediums are claims and not evidence.

Can you agree with me that must Christians don't know what evidence is?

You people don't know what evidence is

MXrep:
Yes, we know it's too much but don't say that Enugu can't contain such length of road. Also, don't compare straight road with numerous inneer roads and streets interconnecting a state. If all numerous roads in Enugu Urban area to join together and straightened, you will be surprised where it will reach. Not to talk of numerous untarred roads in the villages

Enugu cancontained 10, 0000km of paved raods but it means that you have to tar and create numerous paved roads in Enugu state. It's not realistic

MXrep:
Square kilometers is different from kilometers. You are mixing things up

go back and read my comment again. Don't be a haste to reply

preciousee17:
I'm not sure that's the definition of 'Evidence' but let's flow with it
'Under a controlled environment'. Nice line here
So let's take the cancer example. According to us Christians, our controlled environment means: the person performing the healing must have faith, the person to be healed must have faith, everything must be according to the will of God. Faith simply means (believe in God)

The problem with most Christians is that they think that they know everything and can explain everything with the Bible. What we mean by control environment are environmental parameters that can be manipulated to test a phenomenon. For example, if I say that water melts at 0 degree celcius provided pressure is maintained, the environmental condition are the pressure and temperate.

Let's don't go scientific, so you can actually get it, if I tell you that humans ca walk, this is not true in every environmental condition. Humans can only walk at a certain environmental condition like availability of a walking platform, favorable gravity and pressure. So thr test the hypothesis "humans can walk" you have to control the environment to meet those standards to prove it.

If you want to test a pastor healing cancer, on what conditions that are "measurable" should we test it (measurable is a key word).

But then you create a large crowd of people that don't have faith, bring in patients that don't have faith and moreover, you don't even know what is that will of God in that situation.

Again, you Christians think that you know a lot.
Faith is not a measurable factor, it's not even an environmental factor one can deliberately control. You need to bring yourself down and learn.
If you specify a measurable condition to test it, then we can measure the potency of miracles else it becomes a factor of probabilities and most times it's not statistically significant.

In a church for instance, it may be the will of God for a certain person to be healed, so God arranges and the person comes to church, the pastor just prays for healing without specifying, and the cancer patient just believes in God and get healed. Now you want to whisk that pastor out of a 'controlled environment' and force him to perform an experiment with God?
Sorry the ways of God is not the ways of man

Again, the reason science dont take all these seriously is because you are yet to provide real entities to measure. You can't keo making abstract things up and expect us to take it seriously.
If you say faith determines the level of potency of the miracle, then the question will be:

1. How can we measure faith?
2. What method are we going to accurately measure faith?
3. Then how can we now test the measured level of faith with the potency of miracles.

Without giving us detailed methods to do these, I don't think we can Take you seriously

preciousee17:
Please 'dissect' the Bible.

is the Bible consistent with reality?

preciousee17:
Now I respect you for your age sir.
Again I agree many Christians don't know the Bible (I've said something similar earlier on)
And yes they accept interpretations of pastors only. (Again I've called those ones hypocrites earlier on.)
But just the same way you have been a Christian (or maybe a church-goer according to a certain man's definition) for 27, I have also been a Church-goer for about 15 years before I finally realized that Christianity is personal, a true pastor can only guide you. And yes, in my small years of being a true Christian, I have seen more than enough authenticity in God's Word.
So let's dissect this Bible one thing at a time, shall we?
To read is one thing, to understand is another

So you think you understand the bible better than those who actually read it and say it's not consistent with reality?

Is the bible consistent with the reality of life in your opinion?

melodyogonna:
Basically a landmass is a huge chunk of space. Think of a rectangle or square, the landmass is the area of the rectangle. Inside the rectangle you can have a large number of lines, see attached graphics

Nigeria as a whole only has about 60, 000 km of paved roads.

10,000km is an overbloated figure for Enugu state

FalseProphet1:
1. *Boy-friend* This is that spirit that will keep scaring away serious and well meaning suitors because they'll be thinking that the boyfriend that always hangs around you actually wanted to marry you. To cast out this spirit, you don't need to pray about it. Just quit the relationship.

2 *Engagement ring* This is that spirit that makes you keep raising your finger to show the world that one young man that is still serving the master engaged you and when the serious suitors see the ring, they'll pass over you because something in them tells them you
have been engaged. To cast out this spirit, you don't need prayers, just remove that key holder in your finger.

3. *Hard to get* This is that spirit that tells you not to accept a marriage proposal in a hurry so that the brother will not think you were too cheap or desperate. It tells you to tell him to give you six months to pray, don't always pick his calls, behave as if you are not interested even though you are dying on the inside and truly love the brother. This spirit is truly from your village people, the day it will release you is that day the brother would have agreed to marry another and you'll be the one to start him and his number will say.... Thank
you for using MTN. To cast out this spirit, just be real. If you love the brother and you perceive he is God's will for you, just accept the proposal and move on with your marriage!

4. *Proud spirit* That spirit that tells you to always run home after service so that no brother will talk to you, maybe he'll meet you in the dream. Before the brother would prepare what to say, you have gone home. That spirit that tells you that every brother that greets you has an evil intention, so
don't answer them. That spirit that doesn't
allow you to greet brothers except those that
ride cheap and exotic cars. That spirit that
tells you to be walking fast every time as if
something is pursuing you from the back. Well, I don't know how you can cast out this
spirit o, but I think humility and being moderate might help.

5. *Denominational/tribal spirit* I am a Catholic and must marry a Catholic. Your villagers are really at work. I'm a Deeper Lifer and must marry one whose life is also Deep. I am a Chosen and must marry from Chosen because others were rejected. I am an Anglican and must marry an Anglican even if God is leading me to do otherwise. I am from Hausa tribe and must marry from my tribe. I'm from Imo state and must not marry from Abia. This spirit has kept many bound, they entered menopause and are about to retire to village. To cast out this spirit of delay, understand that every believer is from one tribe called Christ. If God is leading you to another denomination, kindly obey Him, but let it be God.

Finally…

6. *Dirtiness* That spirit that tells you not to dress well because you are going to heaven. It tells you to use tarpaulin to sew your dress, wear green skirt, yellow blouse and lemon head tie. When brothers see you, their nightmare will increase and they will go for personal deliverance. You are a lady but dresses like a man; you don't brush your tongue, when you talk the heaven closes and the earth trembles.

This spirit can only be cast out by understanding that cleanliness is next to godliness. Dress well, don't under dress and
don't over dress. Dress modestly, smell good
because it's not sin. Smell like a living being
and not a dead being. Jesus appreciated the
woman that broke the oil that smells good
and truly He enjoyed the fragrance. So which
Jesus did you actually accept that abhors
such?
God bless us all.

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spirit of always having financial issues and asking men for money