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preciousee17:
Why Jehovah? Oh, cos He has shown me the largest string of repeated authenticity, both publicly and with personal encounters.
When you say personal encounters don't qualify as proof of God's existence, I wonder what else would.... If God speaks to you and you use that information to escape danger, so it doesn't still prove to you that Gid exists?

You don't get it, this is your claim. You have to provide evidence to me before I ca believe you. That's how it works and how it should work.

On the contrary I believe in Odin and the rest, but not the popular point of view, it may interest you to know that that's one of the reasons I'd love to make Heaven, so I can see the true stories and all those...

good you do, they also think that their own God is superior to yours. They will argue for their God same way you are doing for yours. Taking yourself out of the God claims make you see that everyone is just fighting hard to defend his or her version of God.
If you were born in India, there will 90% chance that Krishna will be the God you will be given to defend by your parents or environment.

Since you stopped believing in God your life has been better? Good for you
What did you even believe about God? It's better to forget about Him than to believe the wrongest things and attribute it to His name.
Why do I believe my own Jehovah, God is the true one? Simple! I've seen the repeated authenticity, if not the public ones, I've seen the one in my own life. I've asked and received specific things, I've looked at people and try to understand them, only to open the Bible and see exactly the definition I'm looking for.

I'm not arguing that you have not see. Anything but I don't believe it if you cannot give me an evidence to test.

The prophecies alone in the Bible keep on coming into fulfilment
Like the hike in food prices
The LGBTQ+ stuff going on now
The Euphrates river that recently dried up, etc

The bible has many inconsistencies, don't even allow me dissect the bible because you might become very sad when I do

preciousee17:
Since we are still learning, please tell us what counts as evidence

Evidence is something that is testable and repeatable under a controlled environment.

For example, if I make a claim that I can fly whenever it's raining, no one takes that seriously until I do it. I don't only have to just fly in the rain, I have to be able to repeat it several times to confirm that truly I fly in the rain.

Yoi can't just tell us that your pastor heals cancer and then when we take you to the cancer ward in a hospital, you tell us how God does it his own time. How then do we now confirm that truly your God can heal cancer when it cannot be repeated under a controlled environment?

If I told you that Odin sent a meal to me this morning from the sky, would you be a nitwit to take my word for it if I don't provide evidence?

preciousee17:
You've lost track of what we are saying.
We don't have much interest here to draw Atheists to God, no. We are only saying here that there's proof of a spiritual realm to things and you must accept that. By the way these stories are not meant for everyone to believe, y'all are not robots.
But it's mainly for us Christians to use and strengthen ourselves

Okay, what is the evidence for spiritual realm?

Tell me

preciousee17:
When you keep saying we don't have evidence, we cannot prove...
But on the contrary we have shown you what our evidence is, that it is:
1. The Word of God (the words in our Bible)

The Bible is not evidence, the Bible is the claim. And we have seen a lot inconsistencies in this Bible

2. The proof of the Word of God that we can see with our eyes (For instance, our so-called miracles)

miracles are claims. If you say you can heal someone from HIV, you have to call us to test it.
We will test 100 patience and confrim that they are HIV positive, then you heal them. After healing, we test again to see that at least 95% of them got healed. 95% level of significance is enough to make a conclusion that Jehovah heals HIV. If not, we cannot believe such claims

3. God Himself inside of us (something I may never use in an open argument but now you know that many of us actively feel, hear the Spirit of God in us.

there's no evidence that God is in us. Give us the evidence

When you refuse to accept our proof, what other proof do we have to offer?

you didn't prove anything, you made many more claims that you actually need to prove.

The opposite of the whole matter is that certain Atheists that talk about Big Bang and Evolution are the ones that don't have concrete proof, only theories and hypothesis...

whether or not big bang and evolution are true, it still doesn't validate the existence of your god.
There are more than 2000 god claims.

And sorry but you'll either believe that that healing was God answering your prayers or it was a coincidence that at the moment you prayed, certain natural factors brought about the healing

Why do you want him to believe when you don't have evidence to back it?

preciousee17:
Okay okay, noted all your points.

So let me ask then, have you heard of the egg and hen theory...?
Have you ever reasoned that everything that was created, has an origin. A creator...

the egg and the hence theory is actually not very hard to solve, eggs came before hen because eggs has been laid before hens evolved. It's fact.

If everything must be created then your God cannot be exempted from that rule.

preciousee17:
I'm really thrilled seeing your observations.
I was waiting for someone to rebuke us Christians for arguing amongst ourselves.
Seriously you are on point when you say 'lol'.
Actually, these are a few things that make us unique (in both good and bad ways)
And in our Bible, the Christians back then also argued among themselves in a bid to confirm the truth.
And these are the little things that make me confirm that there is truth in this Christianity. Why do we get so much counterfeiting of our beliefs if there is no 'Original'.
Again I may not want to say much on this... Now is time to look at your questions

Before then, something I'd like to point out, I'm not the average Christian you know, and I may say many things that will make even my fellow Christians to hate me (not necessarily tho)
So first of all, who said that Thor, Krishna and Zeus and all those stuff are not true? Me? Not at all...
The sooner we come to realize that there's fire behind every smoke, the better for us.
The Bible does not expressly talk about Zeus and the rest but the Bible surely talks of the Nephilims (people that were born out of sex between Angels and humans) and they had the weirdest descriptions: insane heights/statue, six fingers and so on... That should show you that I already believe there's a component of truth in part of those 'Myths and Legends'. I also acknowledge that the devil has tried to orchestrate major lies that change the narrative of the whole story but in the end, we'll all know the truth.

Your answers (I'm calling on corrections please my fellow Christians):

1. When you talk of interpretation, do you mean by language or by understanding?
The Bible was written in foreign languages, I have come to choose certain English versions based on the model that has 66 books and stems from the King James Version (that is King James Version, Revised Standard Version, New King James Version), Berian Study Bible and New International Version. Not that these are the *approved* version or this is what God said I must read but because I haven't even finished understanding the ones I'm reading (new understanding comes when you re-read the same part of the Bible) I don't want most of the complications of adding more knowledge (especially when you haven't mastered the basics).
Then again, my understanding can never be the only true understanding. Two people can explain the same scripture of the Bible in totally different ways and the two versions will make perfect sense (oh, that's one of the uniqueness of God in the writing of the Bible especially when you come to realize that the Bible is just a collection of letters, biographies, documented history and laws, etc. that were written by several different people over the span of hundreds of years who didn't know that their work will be combined in this big Book. Of course they were influenced by the Spirit of God).
What validates my/any understanding/interpretation of the Bible is the other Books of the Bible, simple. If I say John 1:1 means this and that... I should be able to also say, "Look at the evidence here again in Genesis...". Once anyone can do that (without forcing words to flow with his/her point), voila! That interpretation has been validated.
God validates His Words through His Words
And understandings come only through God. (Ask more if you wish, I may have typed too much)

2. Okay if you check up you'll see something I said about Christians being hypocrites, a person can bribe his/her way into an office and say, "God gave me a job"
That's a problem with the Church and I don't dwell much on those type of testimonies.
However if it's just a straightforward appointment, there are many things to use and determine if God gave you the job.
One thing you'll look at is the voice of God. Did God tell you He will give you this job before you got it?
Then test the fruit, will this job help me lead more people to Christ? Will this job make me commit sin very constantly? (For instance, working in a movie company where you'll act sex scenes)... Many things add up
Or the benefit of hindsight at times will finally confirm if God actually gave you the job... When you look back and see that through that job, your spiritual life got better, you didn't need to do fraud anymore
In my case, I left a teaching job after disagreeing with the headteacher, I never reapplied there, never called any staff there or anything... But one day I prayed that God should give me money, and the next day I was called back by the school... Someone will say it was just a COINCIDENCE...
But the kind of miracles that we really love to use as example are practical things
Like healing of a serious physical illness without visiting the doctor or carrying out prescribed surgery etc... Or victory over spiritual warfare, like an age old tradition of firstborn dying in every generation, and your own firstborn developed symptoms of dying (especially at early age) but later recovers after prayers. (Again you can still ask here)

3. You believe in a place called heaven/hell?
Yes. Both. Infact I believe that there are 3heavens and that hell has sections... (Crazy right?)
Is hell fire a torture place?
Yes I believe so, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. Infact, I believe hell is just a place to receive punishment according to the sins that you didn't repent of
Why and who go to hell?
I believe hell was created for the devil and his angels, the people who will eventually end up in hell are those that followed the devil and did the things of the devil, generally people that commit sin.
What is free will?
I don't know what I'm expected to say here. But free will is just the knowledge of good and evil, the fact that you now know what is right and what is wrong, and you can choose to do right or to do wrong.
Do humans have free will?
Yes. Obviously.
Is Yahweh omniscient?
Yes. (I'm delighted you used the name Yahweh)


I don't really think I mock Atheists in the way you are imagining, the same way you laugh at your friend before correcting Him is the same way we may laugh at you before correcting you, we 'mock' our fellow Christians too
There is teaching from God, and there is teaching of men. When we see our brother exhibiting signs of false teaching of men, we rush to correct him first, then we come out stronger to spread the Word better than ever.
Infact, I created this thread to see the specific reason why our fellow Christians brothers stopped believing in God so it's not much about the atheists, it's more about those who already had a foundation.

I've typed too much, please alert me on any grammatical mistake

your have to understand that because you believe in something does not necessarily mean that it's true until you have brought evidence to substantiate it.

What makes an intelligent person is that ability to forgo emotions and bias and bring solid evidence when analyzing scenarios.
Evidence means something that is testable and repeatable in a controlled environment.

You don't expect people to just take your word for it

preciousee17:
Tomorrow is Sunday!

Tell us a reason you don't/no longer believe in Jehovah God, and we'll try to debunk your reason (if need be)

Why jehovah? Why not zeus or Krishna?
Why don't ou believe in Odin?

This thread is for:
• Christians who Just want to ask any
questions (those passing through hard
times)
• Christians who are planning to give up
• Christians who no longer believe in God
• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God
• Atheists who want to voice their thoughts on
Christianity

for the past 5 years, i dropped belief in God, my life has been better. Everything changed with the way I perceive the world.

This thread is not for:
• Immature minds who just want to make
jokes and insults
• People who cannot make a valid argument
• People who will not follow the rules of
argument

How our argument works:
• When you are asked a question, you must
answer in a normal statement, not with
insults, not answering questions with a
question
• When talking about a religion, don't assume
facts based on what you see their religious
leaders do or said. Only say what is
contained in their [Official] religious book(s).
• [Suggestions Accepted Here]

Why do you think your own God is the true God and others are not?

FxMasterz:
This reminds me of an incident.

In 2017, we were praying for a family of 3. The wife had a little mental challenge though she was normal to a high degree. The husband was a Muslim. Their only son was just 6 yrs old.

We never knew they had a younger boy who died as a baby.

We prayed for them, laying hands on them one by one. The boy was the last to be prayed for. After we were done, the boy started narrating the visions he saw as the prayers were going on. His vision was a narration of how his younger brother died. He was actually about 2yrs old when the incident happened. Yet, he began to tell how his mother was sitting down on a bench in their veranda in the village, holding the baby on her laps. He narrated how some people appeared from nowhere and were flogging the baby seriously with cane. How the mother became really confused and dejected seeing her healthy baby crying intermittently for no reason (the people flogging the baby were invisible). He narrated how the flogging continued until the baby died. Up till this time, his parents have never told him that he had a younger brother who died as a baby. The mother corroborated his words by saying truly, that the events that led to the death of the baby started from the time the baby began crying aloud while she was sitting with the baby on her laps at the veranda, one evening in the village. The boy went further to describe events happening within his immediate and extended family. He described people he had never heard of or met before. The father was stunned. He even understood the people the boy was describing within the family.

If you're an atheist, believe me sincerely you're gone. There are overwhelming evidences and experiences around the world contrary to your views. The spirit realm is real.

So you expect us to take this stories as an evidence for your God?
Christian don't understand that personal revelations and testimonies don't count as evidence as this can be bias and be doctored to fit one's confirmations.

The issue I have with Christians is that they are not intelligent enough to know what is and is not evidence.

preciousee17:
A very false mindset...
I am hoping he has taken correction.

that guy does not take corrections. His likes is why I personally laugh at Christianity.

Because I do not see evidence that God exist. If you ask religious people for evidence, they will keep telling you nonsense.
Religious people do not even know what qualifies as evidence.

TERMlNATOR:
Sorry dear...
In ur next life, say no to masturbation.
For the meantime, enjoy ur rubber prick while it lasts.
Kpele!

stupidd illiterate. Masturbation does not cause erectile dysfunction

joyandfaith:
There are so many evidences against INEC, APC and BAT but it wouldn't change anything.

It's disgraceful. What a country.

Only if the court of Nigeria is irredeemably corrupt and useless, Peter Obi will win this case. The evidence are overwhelming.
At every point, he keeps exposing the lies of INEC.

INEC is a terrible commission, shameless. Irrespective of what party we support, we should be ashamed of such organization. It's disgraceful.

Had the AWS guy been a Nigerian, INEC and Tinubu would have bribed him to shut up.
How can Mahmoon come to the faces of 200million Nigerian and lie to us, you think 200million people are fools?

DMerciful:
So because of that you no longer support
Obi?

I still support Obi but I cannot because of that not commend right calls.

The removal of subsidy (albeit, he did it too early), electricity bill and floating of naira are very good calls. Tinubu has mitigated, to a very substantial degree, the corruption happening within CBN, the power sector and NNPC.
The flaoting of naira alone will create a business friendly environment for investors, with time the removal of subsidy if followed up decisively will create an environment that will boost businesses. The electricity bill is a masterclass, results will started coming forth soon. It's what we have been asking for, decentralized these things and let investors come and determine the pace.

I think that this is what Peter Obi would have done and Tinubu is doing them. I'm impressed so far, however it's early to judge him finally.

Maynmaynmayn:
To know the definition of these words by going to the origin of those words, nothing and chaos.

Nothing comes from No-Thing..
The term thing came from the Old English þing, meaning “entity”, “being”, “body”, or “matter”.

Chaos represents Nothing.
Even in greek mythology, chaos “created” everything.

Hesiod tells us that chaos is the origin of everything-the creation of the universe,

"Verily at the first Chaos came to be,
but next wide-bosomed Earth,
the ever-sure foundation of all."

Chaos proceeded to give birth to the first Greek gods, the primordial deities, Hesiod portrays chaos as preceding all other elements and entities in the universe.

“In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty."

Formless and empty-this is the original meaning of the Greek word Chaos(khaos 'vast chasm, void) signifying a void or a state of nothingness.

In babylonian mythology, this deep is apsu, in Mesopotamia this deep is nammu, in egyptian it is Nun.

How old are you?

sonmvayina:
Which planets ?

There are lands beyond the ice walls

😂😂😂

sonmvayina:
@correctguy101.
My knowledge that the earth is round and not spherical comes from my observation of the natural world. I went to visit my old class mate it Australia in 2016, and through out the flight we never experience any nose dive or curvatures.

you don't expect an ant on a basket ball to feel a curvature. The any will only observe curvature if he's several meters away from thr basket ball. If you want to see thr curvature, build your one satellites with cameras. Since you don't believe those giving by scientists.

This can only happen on a flat surface.
Secondly I have also wondered how water curves on a sphere. We usually say water level because the seas and ocean are level.

gravity, I cannot be teaching a grown up how gravity works. It was taught in basic science.

And lastly the bible says the earth is round with a firmament above the earth and water above it. ...making the earth a closed system...there earth is surrounded by ice walls and beyond the ice walls there are lands....

the bible is a fictional book, don't learn science and facts from the Bible

No wonder a treaty was signed in 1957 that nobody should go to Antarctica. Because it is not a continent, it is the ice wall.

🤣🤣🤣🤣
You sound dumb here

sonmvayina:
@correctguy101.
My knowledge that the earth is round and not spherical comes from my observation of the natural world. I went to visit my old class mate it Australia in 2016, and through out the flight we never experience any nose dive or curvatures. This can only happen on a flat surface.
Secondly I have also wondered how water curves on a sphere. We usually say water level because the seas and ocean are level.
And lastly the bible says the earth is round with a firmament above the earth and water above it. ...making the earth a closed system...there earth is surrounded by ice walls and beyond the ice walls there are lands....

No wonder a treaty was signed in 1957 that nobody should go to Antarctica. Because it is not a continent, it is the ice wall.

you didn't observe anything, you just failed to understand basic science

BennyDGreat:
Owerri will definitely have standard hospital that befits its status.

My point here is simple. Owerri cannot have more standard hospitals than Ikeja. Duchess alone can be worth over 1m USD.

How did you know since you have not been to owerri.
You people should try and go out

BennyDGreat:
No. Are you telling me there are more standard hospitals in Owerri than Ikeja?

if you have not been to owerri before so why do you think does not standard hospital.

That wife is too possessive then. Let your husband be.
She Wil just kill herself

BennyDGreat:
Ahhh there's Lagoon, Duchess...and many others...
Hospitals worth more than 1m USD in setup. Ikeja may have small land mass but the investment there is heavy.

have you been to owerri before?

Bar1941:
Even the organizers of Guinness book of record will be laughing at this act of stupidity, no wonder they don't even do anything about the one broken by that big aşs Baci.

funniest thing is that majority of Nigerians can't even understand the level of disgrace this is bringing.
It's showcasing our gross inability to actually break relavant records. We feast on nonsense and misplaced priorities

imagrg:
These people dey make Oyinbo laugh at us.

People dey excel in technological innovation we are happy cooking food for 140 hours.

lol, see the kind record wey homo sapiens dey celebrate for 21th century 😂😂

atobs4real:
9ja my country.
Filled with human resources.

what's resourceful about cooking marathon?
You people are very useless in this country

Tingotoe:
I am a proud graduate of Canadian university of Nigeria. All these older universities are useless and living on past glory

which one be Canada in university? 😂

Benue people don suffer walahi

solmusdesigns:
Devil is needed to balance nature

Just like electricity needing positive and negative terminals

this got to be the stupidest comparison ever

izombie:
A lot of poor people here on nairaland i swear. 600 naira that's not even upto one dollar. Na wa.

you are a very foooooooolish person

spagettiluv:
if there is nothing in SW as you have said,your brothers won’t travel hundreds of kilometers just to work or reside in cities like IB,OTA,ORE,ABK,LAG

remove Lagos, all these other places are glorified villages

TheBillyonaire:
initial gragra

this man is serious