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Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 12:14pm On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
That would be fine.
For a nonexistent Robin Hood
You can't prove he doesn't exist, just like Jesus
Christianity EtcRe: Tell Us A Reason You Don't Believe In God by Workch: 12:14pm On Jun 30, 2023
HellVictorinho6:
more like other tinz mata more to u. survival has been very hard 4 me.
Get a skill
Christianity EtcRe: The Earth Is Flat ....not Spherical. by Workch: 12:13pm On Jun 30, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are the dumbo. why should an ant on a basket ball not feel curvature? if the ant moves around the ball at a point the ant would be upside down and sides ways yet you think it would not feel curvature , what dumb example!!'
you must have failed mathematics in waec or probably passed via special centre, little wonder the educational section of the country is in shambles and no one can produce anything meaning with your likes as majority. But I will try to educate you.
In SS 1, there's a topic call geometry. If yoi paid attention in class, you would have known that in the geometry of a sphere, thw whole surface is the up while the core is the down. You cannot feel any down in a geoomerty that has gravity as long as you are on the surface, that's the up.
However, you can observe it if you have a working brain.i doubt you have one but I will try.
Now, let me give you simple experiment, if you have two friends, one in South Africa and the other in the UK, call them on a full moon, tell them to take a picture of the moon and send to you, you will observe that the moon you will receive from each of them will be the mirror image of each other. This is because south Africa is at the extreme south pole with UK is at the north pole, they will perceive the moon different from opposite sides and that's how spheres work.

if the earth is curved 8inch/mile square as given by spherical earth scientist proponents it follows that buildings on the earh should not be standing parallel to each other and bridge collumns should not be parallel too, heck even planes would have to account for curvature by dipping their nose down wards at 5min intervals to account for curvature of the earth.
So tell me why you cannot see the picture of Burj Khalifa from top of Eiffel tower in France even with thr stringers microscope.
Tell me why you Cannot see cocoa house in Ibadan from union Bank headquarters in Marina.

gravity is nonsense found by one man and proven by non. the only proof for gravity is said to be when a ball with bigger mass attracts another with smaller mass. this example has never been seen anywhere in the world .
This is not what gravity says, this is the definition of gravity in 19th century and you Brain is still stuck in the 19th century. No wonder you are a flat earther 😂

what you call science is nonsense and the bible is a book that proves itself both in history and true scientific fact. not the nonsense we are taught in school called science. so shut up.
So what is the science of a virgin birth?
Tell me 🤣
Christianity EtcRe: The Earth Is Flat ....not Spherical. by Workch: 11:58am On Jun 30, 2023
EMILO2STAY:
you are the dumbo. why should an ant on a basket ball not feel curvature? if the ant moves around the ball at a point the ant would be upside down and sides ways yet you think it would not feel curvature , what dumb example!!'

if the earth is curved 8inch/mile square as given by spherical earth scientist proponents it follows that buildings on the earh should not be standing parallel to each other and bridge collumns should not be parallel too, heck even planes would have to account for curvature by dipping their nose down wards at 5min intervals to account for curvature of the earth.

gravity is nonsense found by one man and proven by non. the only proof for gravity is said to be when a ball with bigger mass attracts another with smaller mass. this example has never been seen anywhere in the world .

what you call science is nonsense and the bible is a book that proves itself both in history and true scientific fact. not the nonsense we are taught in school called science. so shut up.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 8:51am On Jun 30, 2023
wegevv:
Lol

Scholars of today study antiquity. They study what happened back then. The scholars of today, who study what happened back then, virtually all agree that Jesus existed. Google is your friend

You don’t have to believe them though ❤️
okay, sho what are the evidence they have?
The time of Jesus doesn't even fall within the Era of antiquity.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 8:51am On Jun 30, 2023
wegevv:
I’ve just realised you have assumed “scholars of antiquity” meant the “scholars who existed during antiquity” 😂. I guess I can only apologise for the confusion.

A “scholar of antiquity” refers to someone in the present time who studies antiquity (the ancient times). Similar to a “scholar of anthropology” for example.

I’ve assumed you were arguing in bad faith but maybe you’re just not aware of what I’m referencing. You can find various forums, subreddits, YouTube channels etc where the very best scholars of antiquity discuss their evidence for why they believe Jesus existed and on the other hand why they can’t say King Arthur existed at all ❤️. It’s mostly based on study of literature.

CC: mightysparrow, I caused the confusion so apologies to you too ❤️
Scholars of antiquity don't have evidence for Jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 8:50am On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
In what ways are people affected by Robin Hood? Who are his followers. What is his interaction with people today.
I can start a Robin Hood religion today
Christianity EtcRe: Tell Us A Reason You Don't Believe In God by Workch: 8:49am On Jun 30, 2023
HellVictorinho6:
they MAY see no flaw till u die with ur atheism. u cant speak 4 them. nah 50-50, u wan coach dem say their mama get wetin u call craze while she call am faith 4 head,omoh she sef go laff u, the religious girl wey i dey call 'friend' just dey make me speechless with her god stuff,i no fit laff,no fit cry, na to change topic be my way out cuz even tho i still dey go church ,life no dey do me reach thank god level again. even if i see 30 billion,i go reason why i suppose need am to survive,as in my brain dey too curious 4 religious tinz, at the end pastor go use money,not bible, run church but those books and articles wey una dey write/quote as ,budaatum,Maynman,etc. all na for drama too,as in,e dey make person dey para ,dey play,dey jonz,dey cap,dey whatever unto infinity.
I will allow live their lives. Sincerely, even as a Christian.

Life is not very hard
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 9:13pm On Jun 29, 2023
MightySparrow:
If you read my post well, I said Jesus is both historical and contemporaneous. All other historical figures dried and rotten in their graves. Jesus is alive and still shows Himself to people when necessary. His story is still ongoing. Mohammed died, Confucius, Gatama Bhudda, and all other prophets. Jesus lives on. Not only that He lives, He still shows Himself to people. Who knows? You could be the next.
Robin Hood is also historical and contemporaneous
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 9:12pm On Jun 29, 2023
MightySparrow:
Have you read the books of Tactics 100A.D. Flavius Josephus Herodotus?
I don't take those philosophers very seriously. Antiquity thought earth is flat, they didn't even know about bacteria or cells 😂
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 9:12pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
What are you saying 😂

You have to combine the meaning of the two words my bro lol

You must be trolling me at this point lol
There were no scientific research during the antiquity.
Classical Antiquity begins with the period of the writing of Homer's Illiad c. 800 BC to the decline of the Western Roman Empire c. 500 AD.

Even Aristotle thought earth is flat because they had no evidence
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 8:20pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Lol I posted it there

Here again for you ❤️

antiquity: the ancient past, especially the period of classical and other human civilizations before the Middle Ages.
lol, those are the people you are relying on?

People who thought earth is flat
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 6:55pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
scholar: a specialist in a particular branch of study, especially the humanities.

antiquity: the ancient past, especially the period of classical and other human civilizations before the Middle Ages.
of antiquity.
What's antiquity?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 5:43pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Type “did Jesus exist” on google and go from there my friend. It’s not some hidden secret ❤️
who are scholars of antiquity?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 5:41pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Type “did Jesus exist” on google and go from there my friend. It’s not some hidden secret ❤️
scholars of antiquity?
Is that evidence?
What evidence did the scholars of antiquity provide?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:44pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
There is evidence he existed. Just not the type you're looking for lol. According to you there is no evidence for anyone that existed 2000 years ago actually existed.

There is evidence in literature that Jesus existed. Mostly non-religious people have researched this and have consensus. But I guess it is all just one big conspiracy.
Show me the evidence, why is it difficult to show me?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:39pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
The general public is mostly anti-christian. That is not news. Virtually all scholars who have done research say he existed
I will be glad if I see their findings.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:38pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
The general public is mostly anti-christian. That is not news. Virtually all scholars who have done research say he existed
I'm not saying that he didn't exist or he did, There just no evidence for it. You need to agree that there's no evidence for his existence
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:34pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
It's not true. Virtually all scholars believe he existed based on research not faith
What research?
They don't have evidence.

Where are the evidence that Jesus existed found by your scholars?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:33pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
There's no evidence it is a fallacy lol

You refuse to accept that any historical figures from a certain time exists based on your standards. That is fine my bro. Free country
These are your scholars, I think I share their sentiment as well.
No evidence but it doesn't mean he didn't exist it he did exist.

Nothing to point to to be sure

Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:31pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
There's no evidence it is a fallacy lol

You refuse to accept that any historical figures from a certain time exists based on your standards. That is fine my bro. Free country
But even this so called scholars accept that they don't have evidence for it but agree based on probability.

I ca share you links for you to read about it
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:30pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
I've previously admitted I'm a zombie. Just don't see the logical consistency in looking for the type of evidence that no one expects to exist for historical figures of a certain time lol
I'm not Saying he didn't exist it not. I'm just saying that there is no evidence.
Don't be unsecured, I'm not trying to make you unbelieve it.

The only way anyone can accept the existence of Jesus Christ is on the basis of Belief, noot evidence because there is none that he did. That's my point l, even the so called scholars don't have evidence
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:26pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Historical scholars do not have consensus on Robin Hood even though he was thought to exists after Jesus. That's how strong the literature evidence is for historical figures like Jesus and Alexander the Great who existed much earlier
I'm still trying to find an actual evidence for Jesus. You should try as well

Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:23pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Historical scholars do not have consensus on Robin Hood even though he was thought to exists after Jesus. That's how strong the literature evidence is for historical figures like Jesus and Alexander the Great who existed much earlier
So your only argument is a fallacy of appealing to authority?
That fallacy is what actually seperate Jesus from Robin Hood, not actual evidence
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:21pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Again I obviously accept that Newton existed. My arguments are to show that based on your standard one could easily argue that Isaac Newton didn't exist because there is no empirical evidence. And he only died a couple hundred years ago.

But the standard that most scholars use for historical figures is different. The further back you go the harder it is but still virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed because there is enough written about them from various sources.

Based on your standard no one can prove that any historical figure from over a thousand years ago existed lol.
These are my standards.

1. There are manuscripts actually written and Signed by Isaac Newton.
2. The family of Isaac Newton are still in England and they even talk to BBC. Their family house still exist and even where Isaac newton resided.
3. There are actually descriptions of what Isaac newton looks like.
4. There are proven records of Isaac newton's contributions in science in terms of inventions.
5. There are archeological remnant of Isaac Newton.

Show me any of these for Jesus Christ and I will agree with you are not deliberately creating another argument in order not avoid presenting evidence for Jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:02pm On Jun 29, 2023
MightySparrow:
There are a lot of evidences of His existence. I have argued with some people that claim that there is no God. If the claim is true, why does He have many messagers and His history meanders through all civilizations?
Even now, as Moses, Paul, Ezekiel had encounters with Jesus, many still have same today. After an encounter, you don't doubt. The outcome of such encounters made people to believe in them.


Jesus is not only a historical person, He is also a contemporary person. All other Gods speak only by oracles, Jesus is different.

However, you don't compel His encounters. He gives to whoever at His discretion.

So, Jesus exists.
going by your argument, we can also argue for the existence of Robin hood and King Arthur as historical figures. Of course, you and I know that there are no evidence that they existed
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 4:00pm On Jun 29, 2023
MightySparrow:
There are a lot of evidences of His existence. I have argued with some people that claim that there is no God. If the claim is true, why does He have many messagers and His history meanders through all civilizations?
Even now, as Moses, Paul, Ezekiel had encounters with Jesus, many still have same today. After an encounter, you don't doubt. The outcome of such encounters made people to believe in them.


Jesus is not only a historical person, He is also a contemporary person. All other Gods speak only by oracles, Jesus is different.

However, you don't compel His encounters. He gives to whoever at His discretion.

So, Jesus exists.
Can you show me one evidence presented by any of your historians that Jesus Christ walked on this planet and let's end this long argument?

I need just one
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 3:56pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
We have gone from "Jesus never existed because there is no evidence" to "Aside from the bible".

But despite moving the goal post, majority of scholars in this area do point to evidence outside the bible that Jesus existed. A quick google will tell you that.



PS: pretty sure your believe that Isaac Newton did exist is based on your reliance on authority on the matter not any evidence you have seen lol
Again, even if Isaac newton didn't exist, it's till not evidence that Jesus existed.

The existence of Isaac is mutually exclusive to that of Jesus. We still need evidence separately to prove the existence of Jesus Christ
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 3:54pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
We have gone from "Jesus never existed because there is no evidence" to "Aside from the bible".

But despite moving the goal post, majority of scholars in this area do point to evidence outside the bible that Jesus existed. A quick google will tell you that.
my apologies if I infer that Jesus never existed.
But I have been making it clear that "there's no evidence that he did"
It doesn't mean that he didn't, it also does mean that he did.
I just won't accept your claim that he did until I see evidence for that.
I won't also accept the claim of anyone who say he didn't



PS: pretty sure your believe that Isaac Newton did exist is based on your reliance on authority on the matter not any evidence you have seen lol
I don't believe, I can see evidence that he existed.

Mind if I show you some and you show me that of Jesus? Deal?
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 3:49pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
Saying you don't know he existed is different to saying you don't believe he existed. I believe we have made some progress lol ❤️
Then I need to lecture you on how beliefs and knowledge works.
People like me who rely on knowledge don't believe anything, we accept the evidence before us. It's called empiricism.

I don't believe Jesus existed, I don't disbelieve either. I just don't know if he did or not based on the available evidence. The difference is that, I don't rely on belief to accept his existence like you, I rely on knowledge. (two different things).

I don't have to believe that if I jump from a the 50 storey building that I will die or at least I will be severely injured, I know it. It is why I won't do it, you also don't have to believe it because you will accept it by knowledge.

So I don't accept that Jesus ever existed because there no knowledge of it that proves that, this doesn't also mean that I outrightly reject it.
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 3:42pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
I mean I don't think so either. But someone could follow the same reasoning you're following and conclude that Isaac Newton didn't exists. The fact that there is a house somewhere that people claim he lived in or there are humans today claiming to be his descendants is not "empirical evidence" is it lol.
Someone cannot follow suhc reasoning when we can still trace Isaac newton's lineage.

The legacies of Isaac newton are far more provable than that of Jesus. His works are a living fossil of his existence. Aside from the bible, which is a claim, no one can really point to any evidence that Jesus walked on this planet
Christianity EtcRe: Few Things I Dislike About Christians by Workch(op): 3:35pm On Jun 29, 2023
wegevv:
You said you don't believe he existed. Do you have evidence he never existed? lol
Do you have evidence that I didn't place a teapot somewhere between the orbit ot Mars and Earth that no telescope can see?

You say you couldn't find evidence he existed. I'm assuming you read the reasons why virtually all those scholars believe he existed. But you decided to believe he never existed without evidence he didn't exists?
I have read all and still cannot find an empiricsl evidence, so I don't know if Jesus actually existed.
You can show me evidence from those scholars that has convinced you this far

Doesn't seem like a logically coherent position to take to me
It is, I have to see evidence before I believe it. That's logic

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