₦airaland Forum

mrvitalis:
The problem with GDP is buildings don't count in calculating GDP... They only count the year they are built thats all

Building cannot count as GDP because GDP is grass domestic product frm a region.

It's a total calculation of the goods and services produced in a state or country minus importation value into state. Building cannot possibly be included in it

tundein18:
Lagos is not the capital. Its a full SW state and a genuine yoruba land. your propaganda wont change that. Not to mention the total of other SW states is $50 billion GDP while the whole SE is $49 billion. SW is ahead

Lagos is Yoruba land. It's not debatable.

But you must agree that Lagos is the economic capital of Nigeria. It's a priority for the federal government to make it so.

totit:
Well, all good. But until these are translated into the GDP of these states it remains a forecast. Do you now see the need for a new GDP table after all?

So why do you think Imo state froglipped to that position? There are production of gas going on now in imo state and it's growing. What factories does Imo state have to rival Akwa ibom if not for gas production?

The shell plant is meant to supply gas major power plants in Aba (there are about 3 power plants in Aba waiting to patronize them, including th largest in Nigeria, Alaoji power plant) and SS. This plant also pipelines to Ota in Ogun state to supply industries in Ogun. It means that Ogun will still depend on Imo as we move to gas to run its industries. All these gas sales will add to Imo state GDP. It's inevitable

horsepower102:
This is McKenzie recent projection on Onitsha. I opened a thread about it. Onitsha by 2040 will be at near parity with Lagos in population and size of build up areas.

I think you are cherrypicking a stat that favors you.
There are tonnes of data online that proves otherwise and even a simple Google satellite analysis will show that Onitsha is not as built up as port harcourt and Kano

SpecialAdviser:
You may be right anyway. I know there aren't many companies in Enugu. But Enugu makes lots of income in estates and tourist relaxations (hotels etc)

How much do you think the income frkm Tourism and Relexation can add to GDP compared to Say a factory like innoson motors in Nnewi or a gas plant in Ohaji, Imo state?

Putinofrussia:
It has not always been like this.

yes, what do you think changed.

Is it that something new has started driving the economy of Imo and Anambra?

totit:
The bolded can only be ascertained with the most recent stats. A deep observation of the data being thrown around of dated back and repetitive of the same 2013-2017.

Yes, but I really do not see other parts of southwest catching up. You know why? Natural Gas.

Natural gas is an emerging in Nigeria and its growing faster than crude oil economy. The gas deposits in Imo and anambra state is causing massive investments to go there. 1 gas plant that will be newly completed by Shell in Imo state is worth about $2billion. Seplat jusr completed one is Imo state earlier this year, it's work $700million.

Imagine dropping investment worth $2.7billion in a state within a year, that's about N3trillion. And more are coming.
When these plants start operations, it's going to skyrocket the GDP and economy of that axis.
However FMCG factories do you want to set up in Ogun state that can Rival that? The only thing that will rival it or even do better is Dangote refinery in Lagos and as the world moves away from oil to Liquefied gas, Dangote refinery production is reach a limit and start dropping.

mrvitalis:
Bros the development in East in the last 10 years is crazy owerri has more than doubled, Onitsha area is only second to Lagos in terms of builf up area

I dont think onitsha is second to Lagos in that.

I think Port harcourt, Ibadan, Kano, Kaduna are more built up than onitsha. Trust me

mrvitalis:
Delta, IMO, Anambra Abia and rivers are the gas base in Nigeria this four state holds 90% of Nigerian inland gas reserve

Bayelsa also, it has huge gas deposit

kettykings:
You are right about the oil and gas growth but see some new insight from Google map and see how a sprawling swathes of city spread is emerging gradually

Well I don't know how that relates to this topic

Putinofrussia:
It still proves that SW economy is way,way above that of the SE now.
Sometimes,gdp changes because of the economical activities in that area and sometimes due to policies of the leadership.
SW states have consistently been at the top.

I agree with you, southwest has a larger economy.
But this figures show that economic growth has not really been happening in other parts of southwest outside of lagos compared to southeast.
Seems like lfos and it axis is someone attracting the investments that should go to other states.

We can disagree to agree

mrvitalis:
Buildings is enough tax... As long as you rent out your building you should pay 15% of that revenue to government... If it's personal use 7.5% of rental value

If u are found lying your house is personal when it's rented... Fine would be 50% of the market value of the house as determined by government


IMO owerri, okigwe and orlu have at least 300,000 rented houses ... If the average is 1,500,000 per year..... That's 67billion generated

U know how many streets 67 billion would fix in owerri orlu n okigwe?
Multiple the effect in 10 years

Government would have incentive to develop new neighborhood so people would build more and pay more tax... That's what drives development

you don't tax in a business environment that is not lucrative for investors yet.
Calm down on this your tax thing and let investors come first

Akwamkpuruamu:
The only economy my state Imo has is hotels. The new emerging ones are the ANOH Gas plant project. I'm Surprised we are among top 5

ANOH is why you are there.
It's a huge economy that is emerging

SpecialAdviser:
If this data is correct then immidiate Enugu state past governor has got a lot of queries to answer. But on a more serious not, I don't believe that Enugu position.

Problem with Nigeria statistical data is that they are conjured in beer parlours

Well, what's really in Enugu that will drive the GDP of Enugu?
Enugu is not really as industrialized as Abia, Imo and Anambra.

GDP is a factor of what you produce, what has Enugu state been producing in the past 9 years?

It's not like Enugu does agriculture again like before.

kettykings:
See a new corridor is forming in the eastern delta flank, Delta -Anambra- Imo . I am hoping Abia and Edo will somehow join this new economic corridor.

Truth is that there seems to a continuous flow of services , money , transactions.


So even with the sit at home 2 eastern blocks met the first 10 states.

I doff my heart for igbos

It's not really an Igbo thing. It's the investments that is being made by oil and gas companies that is driving the GDP.
Gas is the future, just like we left coal for oil, we will soon leave oil for gas.
The Imo and anambra axis has a lot of gas deposit. Expect the econ3 of especially Imo state to skyrocket soon. I am only scared if the government of Imo state will be ready to maximize this coming opportunity

The newest data shows that Lagos, Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Imo state and Delta states are the biggest economies in Nigeria by GDP.

Followed by Anambra, Ondo and ogun state.

The reason why Imo and anambra state are having drastic growth in GDP compared to other states is because of the growing natural Gas exploitation that is going on in these states. Especially, Imo state.

In another 20 Years, we expect that Imo state will become 2nd position with the huge investment that is being made in natural gas in the state.

https://yourbudgit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/2022-State-of-states_Official.pdf

Why do you guys argue a lot?

mrvitalis:
The reason they can't push for tax is simple they were not popular candidates... Soludo is doing it

When you steal mandate you would be scared to tax the people

Second is they don't know what exactly to do with the taxes... You and me know u can never steal tax of ndigbo and go free

Tax is the only way to grow an economy not natural resources

What are you even taxing?

Gas is the future. In another 10 Years, Gas would have effectively replace fuel as the mainstay source of fuel.
Gas is so versatile because its way cleaner than petrol and diesel and more eco-friendly. It's also very suitable for power generation.
It's the only hydrocarbon source of energy than can thrive in an Era of renewable energy.
Nigeria has the largest gas deposit in Africa. Imo state has the largest gas field in Nigeria and west Africa.

If the government of Imo state can exercise patience and manage the revenue that is coming, they will progress massively. The world is moving away from crude oil with speed. To solve the energy problem of Nigeria, Nigeria need large and Imo will become so influential in making this possible.

Aemmyjah:
https://apologeticspress.org/darwin-in-light-of-150-years-of-error-1148/

I challenge you to demonstrate it

Aemmyjah:
My God is not the God of the white man
I worship the Creator of the universe
I understand your school of thought says life emerged by accident. Therefore your existence has no meaning. Go and find meaning to your life sir

yes, it's what they say when they brought the message to Africans. He's the creator of the universe.

Lol, Jesus christ of England 😂

Aemmyjah:
See olodo
Am I worshipping a whiteman god?
Go and worship mother nature

I gave you evidence and you deny
Servant Darwin

keep defending white people's God when they already moved on. 😂

MightySparrow:
Things evolve.
Can we ever trace the first language spoken?

sincerely, lets stay on the topic. I don't know how the emergence of the first language got to do with biological evolution.
We cannot achieve anything in hmthis conversation if you keep digressing.

How, where, when.?

Why are all living things except few have male and female. At what point did it start?

I don't know, this doesn't mean that evoli9is not fact as observed and explained to you earlier, we still don't understand every bit of it and that's a genuine admission

Evolution seems to me to take care of only species not emotions, language, spirituality etc.

you are correct

Apart from biological sciences, these also are fields of study.
There are so much knowledge also in these fields.

For example, in cat family, there different species. Are to still expect different variants. Or we going to help nature to do that?
There is cross - breeding going on. Has evolution been having agent's like human to work?

I don't understand the question here, kindly rephrase

wegevv:
I think you’re still conflating the “theory of evolution” with the facts that the theory is based on lol.

I say this because of your last paragraph; I don’t know many Christians who reject the facts that the theory of evolution are based on. I only know those who reject the “theory of evolution” itself. There’s a difference between those two things because you can acknowledge the facts and reject the theory.

Many of those who reject the “theory of evolution” chose to explain the facts that the theory is based on in a different way.

Yes, I agree with you that you can acknowledge facts and reject the theory. Are you getting me point or what?

Is that not the essence of fallible tbeory?
Science will not be science if theory can not be rejected. How is that hard for you to grasp that I'm not disagreeing with you

wegevv:
Indeed it’s a simplification to say “humans evolved from monkeys”. Regardless, evolution as pertains to humans and other species we see today is a theory not a fact as with viruses etc. Hence why scientists say “evolution is a theory and a fact”. So just correcting the “theory of a fact called evolution” you said in your previous post that implied evolution as a whole was a fact.

I think you don't understand what I meant.
I already started it, evolution is a theory because a theory existed called theory of evolution. The fact call called evolution is what it explains.
There's no basis for any debate here that you are trying to create because I'm not arguing this.

Despite that, you are right in that the theory of evolution is not a mere hunch. Scientists have studied various facts we see today and have extremely strong reasons and evidence to believe that that is how humans and other species we see today came to be.

That doesn’t change my faith personally but I’ll save that conversation for another day. Still worn out from the last one lol ❤️

good, I have seen many Christians who accept evolution as well and I'm impressed.
If your likes are the majority, maybe we may not have seen many people leave Christianity. In the presence of literalist, who are majority in Africa, they see facts like evolution and try to deny it, many people will start doubting Christianity because of their actions

MightySparrow:
Theory simply means in the face of no better arguments, we accept this for now.

Does this make sense?

yes, but it doesn't not mean that what the theory tries to explain changes.and most times, these theories are not change outrightly, they are edited as we learn more.

E.g. Atomic theory can be be fallable but Atoms cannot change and be replaced with something else. Atom is fact

Theory of relativity can be fallable but gravity is fact, it doednr change. It cannot be replaced with another thing.

Cell theory may change but cells can't change


Theory of evolution may change and it has changed several times but all tried explaning a fact called evolution. Evolution will never be replaced by creation as explained by the Bible

MightySparrow:
You are right.

But Evolution theory is not absolute just as the the others mentioned. All these are called theories and none of them is a final truth.

Truth is a final, unchangeable fact.
Anyway, as I said, the Bible predicted, knowledge shall increase but not as to nullify the essence called God.

Science is a good attempt by man to understand creation. We have surprises everyday at the frontier of knowledge!

there's also never going to be a day when science will find out that creation happened literally like in the book of genesis. It's why you should not take the bible literally, you will be battling to accept facts and realities

MightySparrow:
You are right.

But Evolution theory is not absolute just as the the others mentioned. All these are called theories and none of them is a final truth.

Truth is a final, unchangeable fact.
Anyway, as I said, the Bible predicted, knowledge shall increase but not as to nullify the essence called God.

Science is a good attempt by man to understand creation. We have surprises everyday at the frontier of knowledge!

Evolution as a fact is absolute. We may not fully understand it but we are sure with numerous evidence that all living species evolve

Aemmyjah:
You are funny
You de cap nonsense
You can't even dispute my argument as to religion and the existence of a higher supernatural being
Well, religion can be measured and people are choose any form of worship
If God truly exists and wants us to draw close to him, he will have to guide sincere worshippers to him
But we need to understand and find out of he accepts all forms of worship and if not, which one is acceptable to him and have his approval

Christianity did not start from white men
If I wanted to worship God the way I like, I'd probably not even accept Christianity but that of our fathers and with their fetish nonsense and customs
I'm not following whiteman religion. If not, I would have joined you to become a disciple of Darwin
If it were the one our African fathers were worshiping as true , I would not have joined any other, talk less or sharing beliefs with others

Go and listen to Alhaji Darwin. He's an African

Evolution always existed before Darwin. It's just Darwin own that sesm more plausible, Darwin was ever wrong in many thing.
Do you prefer to be a total ignoramus?

It's white ment that brought Christianity to you. These white people are leaving it because they realized that they were wrong

wegevv:
Close but misleading to say that “Modern synthetic theory of evolution explains a fact called "Evolution".”

Evolution is a fact and a theory. The evolution you’re discussing is a theory. The evolution that is a fact involves the observation of virus etc evolving.

So when they say “a theory is an explanation of facts” they don’t mean evolution as a whole is a fact lol. They mean there are several facts eg DNA sequence, artefacts etc that we can observe and put together these facts to try to explain them as a theory.

No one has observed humans evolving from monkeys or tested it. If it happens, it would take too long for any scientists to realistically test it. We haven’t had the knowledge we have now for long enough ❤️

Cc: mightysparrow ❤️

Theory if evolution does not says that humans evolved from monkeys.

What it simple explains is that "in a poplalation of organisms with variable pool, genes frequency change over many generations. This gene versatility is caused by mutations and gene recombinations and these gene fluctuations is triggered by environmental selection called natural selection. Over many generations, numerous fluctuations in gene frequency results in speciation, which means that one or more species in the parent species will not longer be genetically capable of mating with one of its relative to produce fertile offpsrings"

Basically the key words are, variation, mutation, gene recombination, natural selection and speciation. We have observe every bit of this and repeated evidence exist.

In human we have observed mutations, gene recombinations, variation and natural selection. We also have evidence in terms of DNA that humans did not just pop up from thing air

paxonel:
They have a common ancestor means that there is an extinct primate species(which is still not known) that both homosapien and monkeys or Ape originated from. That extinct primate is their common ancestor and the origin human evolution, not monkey's or Ape.

You can Google the question "Are humans evolved from Ape or monkey's ?"
Read the article from Wikipedia

we almost know the primate species. They are catarrhines.

Aemmyjah:
Who brought evolution to you? Blackman?

What has ethnicity or intercontinentalism got to do with the leadership of my organization? I have only one leader and that is Jesus Christ
I worship with my fellow man and belong to the most united force here in earth, no prejudice in terms of skin color or tribalism or language
Atheists themselves have no such unity

Lemme ask you now, how many AFRICANS are leading figures in promoting the philosophy of evolution?
Verily verily, I say unto thee, de play

So Africans were worshiping yahweh before the white men?

Sometimes you people sounds so hilarious