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OLAADEGBU: Will you rather answer the question? Who are the innocent ones?

I don't answer a christian bigots and I don't expect your questions to be answered because you already have your nonsense in you black mind

LET EVERY BODY READ AND COMPREHEND THIS:

Religion has never being part of terrorism but idiots are fooled by greedy people, so the idiots point the hands of terrorism to religion

Good people and bad people have faith in religion but if bad people show their bad habit, that does not mean religion mandate them to do so

If you want to throw a stone never throw it in a glass house, so if you accuse all people of religion(good and bad once together) just because of the bad one's behavior then you are the most stupid creature, you are definitely not better than any animal(any I said)

OH you Christians!!!! Islam(Qura'an and Hadith) and muslims will in no way support any act of terrorism and that is exactly the message passing by this thread, so you are not expected to oppose the OP but if you do so, what will you say of the atrocities committed and still committing by your fellow Christians

Those of you calling for war(by your hatred for fellow human being) I bet it if you are not going to end your life like a "snake that passes on a rock"

Bad people are perpetrator of evil, let the good people come together to fight the bad ones

OLAADEGBU: Who in your opinion do you mean is innocent? And who is the "actual enemy"? What is TRUTH?

Mr innocenti, you are at it again do you really need those answer from him?
Are you angry because he(as a good muslim) want end to act of terrorism? or you want the killing to continue?
Do you want to say only Christians are victim?

dragunov: . Dude I don't really geT what you are trying to prove. And your write-up actually reeks of fallacies. [s]The premises you offer jusT negate the principle of logic. First, you try to draw a parallel of what muslims are doing in the world now(acts of terrorism) with what Adolf Hitler did to Jews and non jews alike, well mostly Jews, claiming that Hitler was a christain and that he did what he did in the name of Jesus! Then you cited the events of the crusades in the middle ages where catholics courtesy of the pope( who represented an appendage of Roman domination, greed and cruelty, all enshrouded in a religious figure) turned the world upside down, and you have the temerity to think they did that in the name of Jesus! Then you asserted that the Pope pontificated on the mass murder of protestants(both men and women); but you seem to forget that protestants were xtians who would not submit to the demonic doctrines of the catholic. You dare cite that as an example of christain terrorism! You afterward justified islamic misconducts and cruelty in Nigeria by stating that it is xtians behind BH just because our corrupt president used an equally corrupt clergy to ferry public fund to SA. That event is a pure case of money laundery. Simple. Let's not play dumb and pretend to believe the president's excuses. And then twist that as an evidence of CAN's involvement in BH. What the greedy clergy got involved in is not the collective agreement of all xtains in Nigeria but stictly a personal thing. Finally, from all indications both read and witnessed, islam is not a religion of peace . You even implied it from your last statement on ISLAMIC WAR and your attempt to postulate a new Just War theory.[/s]

You can never get it when you fail to understand the fact that the post was meant for excellent entity not dullards, and beside if you score more than D7 in English, it must be as a result of cheating

Following the resent arrest of 2 Nigerians and an Israeli in a Jet belonging to CAN president PASTOR AYO ORITSAJEFOR, I don't know why he has not been arrested till today or do we think he should or should not be arrest. Please explain you reason

Following the resent arrest of 2 Nigerians and an Israeli in a Jet belonging to CAN president PASTOR AYO ORITSAJEFOR, I don't know why he has not been arrested till today or do we think he should or should not be arrest. Please explain you reason

Abdulsalam20: @ PASTOR KUN PLS DONT JUST COPY AND PASTE FROM ANYWHERE WITHOUT VERIFYING THEM PLS DOWNLOAD ENGLISH QURAN U WILL SEE THAT ALL WHAT U POSTED ARE FALACY
EVEN U DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND YOUR BIBLE U CLAIM JESUS NEVER KILL PLS WHAT OF THIS?
Check Jesus
words to his decides in Luke 22:36 He said to
them, “But now if you have a purse, take it,
and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword,
sell your cloak and buy one. Check your
dictionary to know the meaning of purse,
bag, and Sword. The Bible have already tell us
the meaning of Sword in Ezekiel 21:9 “‘A
sword, a sword, sharpened and polished—
sharpened for the slaughter, 10 polished to
flash like lightning! “‘The sword is appointed
to be polished, 11 to be grasped with the
hand; it is sharpened and polished, made
ready for the hand of the slayer..
U CLAIM STONNING TO DEATH IS IN THE QURAN PLS WHAT OF THIS VERSES IN THE BIBLE
The following Verses are from the NIV Bible:
Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."
Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with
another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and
the woman must die. "
Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another
man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the
adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. "
Proverbs 6:32 "But a man who commits adultery lacks
judgment; whoever does so destroys himself. " He
destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she
profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. " Why should only a
daughter of a priest gets burnt to death if she profanes
herself? Why can't this law apply to all daughters?
CUTTING OF HAND IN THE BIBLE
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the
wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his
assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his
private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no
pity. " This doesn't make any sense what so ever! Why
should the woman get her hands cut off for defending her
husband? It's not like she was cheating on him or
anything like that!
We clearly see that adultery causes death from the Verses
above. Let us see what Jesus peace be upon him said
about adultery:
The following Verses are from the NIV Bible:
Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife,
except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another
woman commits adultery. " Wouldn't this cause the man
to be put to death?
Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries
another woman commits adultery against her. " Again,
wouldn't he then be put to death since he would have
committed adultery?
Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries
another man, she commits adultery. " Same question I
ask about the women who are considered have committed
adultery. Wouldn't they be put to death also?
Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries
another woman commits adultery, and the man who
marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
My question here is: Would an adulterer in the New
Testament be put to death?
Keep in mind that when Jesus gave the above laws, he gave
them during the time when he spoke highly of the Old
Testament's Law:
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Old Testament's laws:
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law
(the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is
accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from
these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be
upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that
every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and
fulfilled.
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The
teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So
you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But
do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they
preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly see in these verses
that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old
Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to
not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the
Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it.
So according to Jesus peace be upon him, the adulterer in
the New Testament must be put to death

You don't know pastorkun and malvis, they are blind men wanting to lead men with clear and functioning sight. All what the know is to throw stone in the glass house

Jazakumllah Khaira for those enlightenment

HolyHolla: yazach, I very much appreciate your sensible contributions. I agree that the Ops caption of this thread is not in support of BH. But I didn't draw the first blood; it was the defenses put up by some fanatic Muslims on the thread that led to the long discourse. Instead of lending a hand to strengthen the caption, they started throwing stones without realizing that they are living in glass houses. It's a pity, I just have to engage them to disabuse the wrong notions being planted in the minds of those who may not be better informed.

They same way some hypocrites does. Anytime you see a good muslim trying to state his/her clear picture regarding terrorism, you see Christians with the aim of blackmailing Islam responding as if this muslims is telling lie. But I have read some of the muslims responds (regarding act of terrorism) on this particular thread that will ever support the act rather you will see Christians posting Quarnic verses and give them their suited meanings

HolyHolla: If you follow my posts you will discover that I'm not in defense of CAN leader on issue of the $10million money laundering saga, neither in support of CAN's explanation. I will not support illegality just because it is perpetrated by someone who bears the same title with me. But then, we are not yet sure of what really happened and we still need to wait for further outcome and see how the case goes to conclude if it was a case of money meant to buy arms for BH, or simply another type of serendipity of the usual clandestine thefts by government officials. Isis, Isil and IS are killing all who are not like them, I agree and I stated it earlier. The more reason we should all lend a voice in condemning them rather than engaging each other.

A sane and peace loving entity will never support involvement of CAN leader in the scenario even if we assumed he wasn’t aware, we are in a delicate time in this country when it comes to religion.
You can read why CATHOLIC said they withdrew from CAN. They said and I quote “we notice that CAN is no more promoting peace which oppose the aim and objective of the association”

HolyHolla: When you say ISIS and other Takfiris are not Muslims, I tend to disagree and rather say they are extremist Muslims who believe in strict interpretation of quran because what they practice is also found in the quran. But Muslims who are enlightened and educated who try to moderate the quran to suit the exigencies of the 21st Century see them in bad light while they see us all, Muslims and Kafir as infidels. That's why they are killing Muslims too. If you try and google a magazine published by these Takfiris, 'Dabiq', and read their submissions, you will understand what I'm saying better. They claim that they are bent on executing the words of the Islamic writtings and ulama to the last letter.

I bet it if I ever said they are not muslims but rather muslims who doesn’t understand the teachings of their religion. But you can imagine a muslim killing muslims in the name of religion!!! Does that make sense, Christian kill Christian in the name of religion
I notice some statements like ”because what the practice is found in Qura’an”, does that mean they are acting according to Qura’an? Because I read your post citing some verses also, if you have that understanding too, try to post the verses one by one and let us do justice to it

HolyHolla: Yes, just as you said, 'Christians' too have used biblical verses to justify persecution, oppression, terror and bringandage until the 19th Century when they wisened up more into democratic ideals. I'm asking Muslims too to copy. I am not in support of American and Western military interventions. Apparently, they brought out the demons in the Takfiris whom they trained to fight against one another but who have now turned their weapons against them and the whole world as we have seen. America is not a Christian nation, but secular, mind you. They are just as evil in their machinations and selfish interests as anyone else.

My brother, am very sure till today Christians do commit atrocities of the highest order only that cover-ups from media were many. just Google it “Atrocities of Christians in the 21st century”
This does not mean am in support of any crime act but to tell people that if a rotten egg is found in a dozen that does not means all the egg are alike or the crate connecting them mandate their rottenness

HolyHolla: I sure know who the Almanjiris are. I lived a while in the North awhile and travelled around too. During my sojourn, I kept thinking, "If something definite is not done about these chaps, they will someday become willing tools in the hands of extremist Muslims". Now, I see majority of them within the ranks and file of BH for no reason other than search for daily bread, enticement or coercion into the group. But that is not surprising as they have earlier been veritable tools in the hands of Northern rioters for decades.

"So many things are wrong" as you rightly stated. We all need to join hands to save our destiny rather than engaging mutual brutal attacks. With these said, I will soon bow out of this thread, expecting that we have presented enough facts and figures here for anyone to judge and decide.
But I never run from any challenge and will still accept yours to discuss facts if you are keen. You can open your thread and mention my moniker to tag me. I'm game, always.

I will not engage you regarding Almajiris but I will still repeat it that:
So many things are wrong and that is the reason why the sultanate have said and I quote “BAD PEOPLE ARE PERPETRATORS OF EVIL, LET THE GOOD ONES COME TOGETHER AND FIGHT THE BAD ONES”

LASTLY, NO GOOD MUSLIM SUPPORT TERRORISM AND NO SANE HUMAN BEIGN WILL DO

HolyHolla: Yes, I am a proud to say that I am a Christian and not an atheist.
I similarly believe that Hitler was a terrorist as well as the Catholic Crusaders and God never mandated their destructive missions. I also believe that whoever decides to pick an illegal mandate in the name of God should be condemned and tagged "unChristian". I thought you too should also be against terrorists, no matter their professed religions. That is why I am surprised that you are rather fighting those who condemn Islamist terrorists instead of the terrorists themselves.

Likewise, Boko Haram, Isil, are terrorist and Allah(God) has never mandated them to do so. Maybe you try to read the OP’s post once again, exactly why he create this topic was to let you and your likes to realized that Muslims are not in support of their atrocities but instead of you people to agree with him, you started against him and blackmailing Islam as your usual act

HolyHolla: Yes, I am a proud to say that I am a Christian and not an atheist.
I am definitely not on the same page with those defending the issue of $10 million smuggled into SA for clandestine activities. I am more miffed by the fact that they chose to use the CAN president's jet for this illegal activity. I am also ashamed to read CAN's defense of the issue and their attack on the opposition, which I believe is just passing the buck. I, for one, will not shield those who claim the same religion with me when they step out of line. To me, the CAN official who fixed a blast in church to prove his prediction true was definitely out of line too.

Good for you and neither will a good muslim support violence or any act of terrorism

HolyHolla: I am happy to read this statement from you; "The bone of contention is that if somebody claims to be fighting for Allah, does that mean truly he is fighting for Allah sake or Allah truly command him to do so?" But I'm still at a loss as to why you will chose to trade brickbats with Pastor Kun and the others over their condemnation of BH or their claims that the quran contains elements that seem to justify such violence. Is it not true? Have you not read such passages before? If there are such in the quran, the next step, as I mentioned earlier, should be to upgrade your mind to the 21st Century, just like I believe the Catholics and Nazis have done by now eschewing violence. Even the Catholics of Northern Ireland have stopped the violent wars for independence from GB. For this, I have more respect for Muslims in the southern parts of Nigeria who have abstained from violence to prove their religion. Even though they too read the quran, they have mostly upgraded to modernity, except for a few who still voice out violent teachings.

Can’t you figure out that the likes of pastorkun you mentioned have allowed their being animal of low level makes them translate the verse of the Qura’an to suit their hypocrisy and blackmailing act
Qura’an has in no way support any act of terror and if you have read any and you think the meaning is what you claim, you can let both you and I engage our self in the explanation
I bet it majority Christians (although some may no) has never being peaceful even till this 21st century

HolyHolla: The main question that should be on everybody's mind now is, "why are Islamists now waking up into unfruitful destruction?" Right now, the terror wars are far from where we dwell and we may feel comfortable with that until they move to our very dwellings too. We should therefore, all rise up to voice condemnation of these extremists before they get to us too.

I think you should reframe “why are Islamist” although not denying that some of them Might be muslim(that do not understand their religion) but lot of things are fishy. For example
1- The armed money liked to CAN president if succeeded are meant for who?
Christian Boko Haram, Muslim Boko Haram or Political Boko Haram?
2- CAN chairman who plot a terror act in osun, if succeeded, won’t you say Muslims again?
3- ISIL who did you think they are killing? Christian alon? Muslim not Involved? Muslim killing muslims?
4- ISIL Takfir trained in Jordan around 2012 to overthrow the government of Syria. Who do you think trained them(America and Isreal)
My brother so many things are wrong

HolyHolla: But I'm still bothered by your submissions, " Now I will shed light on conditions for Islamic war
1- It must be declared under Islamic Stateby Muslim leader(Single Leader) not Sect leader.
2- It should be fought if you are attacked and should be commanded by Islamic leader. The Prophet lived with pagan in Macca peacefully after he conquered them; he lived with Christians in Medina even when muslims were majority". Are you still claiming that in this 21st Century, there is yet validity for any type of violent jihad based on these stated terms? Then, where is the 'Religion of peace" in violence? It is the same defense that Takfiris in the Islamic State use to justify their horror. The Muslim slaughter man who appears on video keeps saying they are decapitating Westerners in their captivity because US and Britain attacked them. They "peacefully" tax the Christians in their captured territories on the orders of quranic injunctions. So, how is your mindset different from that of the Takfiris?

My brother base on the two rules I cited, where did you think they fit in with the claim of those terrorist you mentioned

HolyHolla: We who are educated have the compulsory mandate to speak out now before the almajiris and their provocators take over and send us into early graves.

You need to be in North to know who almajiris are

malvisguy212: God promise to gives us his grace start from genesis when he substitute isaac for a lamb.


Luke12:49-53 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three
against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and
daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and
daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

verse 49 mean> the gospel of christ is like a two ege sword ,fire and a stumbling blok for people like you, who's heart has been harden


verse 50 mean> "but" there is hope for you, through the baptism,buried your sin and alive in christ.

verse 51-53 mean>"prophecy"because of jesus family will hate each other, father against children and children against father. Today we see this happen when a boy convert to christian to in a muslim family to follow christ , the father will condemed him to death.

Can you do justice in answering my qustion?

Don't tell me those jargon are from Jesus because I only see your low self statement in those statements

This was the question you were suppose to answered not those jargon

1- In the old time why was it that God did not give them the so call grace you claim to have been given now?

2- In your judgment will you say God was so cruel by asking those people to fight?

HolyHolla: Let's put some reasoning into this. Agreed, you have rightly quoted and I really don't care to join words on the veracity, morality or otherwise of those biblical quotes. But, let's come to terms with the 21st Century reasoning. If Jehovah said the Jews should eliminate 'His' enemies because of their opposition to His chosen people and grievous idolatry and now, they are no longer on that course, why are Muslims who claim that Allah has sent them to destroy 'their' enemies because they refuse to convert to their religion still bent on the path of bloodshed? Mind you, it is apparent in the quran that Mohammed commenced his wars only because he was attacked and his first premises for war was based on that until victory brought out the human ambition of territorial conquests for land and booty.

This is the 21st Century, my man. God ordered the destruction of the idolaters in Caanan and the people of Israel refused to complete the act by sparing those they chose to spare. Because of the failure of the Jews, Jesus came to offer peaceful restitution to all for sin and has declared salvation to those who will willingly accept and declared God's final judgement to those who refuse. That is what I will call a 'religion of peace', not one that still fans the embers of violence and destruction in this present time and situation

My take is that Islam too should allow people to willingly and peacefully chose and not throw the world into unnecessary conflagration. If truly you believe that your god is almighty and will bring judgement of destruction on the kafir as claimed in the quran, why not wait for that god to do it rather than try to do it on his behalf? It comes to reason then, that the One who is indeed God, has the capacity to deal with His enemies and does not require His faithful worshippers to do it for Him.

I remember that in Islamic history, when Mohammed was said to have destroyed the idols of his neighbors, his father challenged those who wanted to kill him by asking that they should leave judgement to their gods and they accepted. Why then are the extremist Islamists not taking a cue from this? Just simply reasoning shows that they do not believe that the god they serve is almighty enough to do it by himself.

HolyHolla: Let's put some reasoning into this. Agreed, you have rightly quoted and I really don't care to join words on the veracity, morality or otherwise of those biblical quotes. But, let's come to terms with the 21st Century reasoning. If Jehovah said the Jews should eliminate 'His' enemies because of their opposition to His chosen people and grievous idolatry and now, they are no longer on that course, why are Muslims who claim that Allah has sent them to destroy 'their' enemies because they refuse to convert to their religion still bent on the path of bloodshed? Mind you, it is apparent in the quran that Mohammed commenced his wars only because he was attacked and his first premises for war was based on that until victory brought out the human ambition of territorial conquests for land and booty.

Firstly, are you a Christian? If yes, I think my points will make sense to you because I see a good reasoning in you post, but if you are an atheist, just ignore my comments because I don’t think it worth it to have online discussion with someone who denied existence of the creator.
Now my response
1- I think you know who Adolf Hitler was; was he killing Jews in response to God’s commandment
2- Crusader war, in response to who’s command? God? Even after some centuries have passed over the war commandment by God.
3- Am sure you heard of the recent seized 9.3 million arms issue which involve CAN president? If the Jet happen to belong to a Muslim, what do you think some useless Christians will be saying but now that it belong to Christians leader will it not Justify to say CAN are behind Boko Haram?
The bone of contention is that if somebody claims to be fighting for Allah, does that mean truly he is fighting for Allah sake or Allah truly command him to do so?

HolyHolla: This is the 21st Century, my man. God ordered the destruction of the idolaters in Caanan and the people of Israel refused to complete the act by sparing those they chose to spare. Because of the failure of the Jews, Jesus came to offer peaceful restitution to all for sin and has declared salvation to those who will willingly accept and declared God's final judgement to those who refuse. That is what I will call a 'religion of peace', not one that still fans the embers of violence and destruction in this present time and situation

My Man, what will you say about this:
• 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
• 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
• 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
• 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
• 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
• 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
• 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
You still call this religion of peace?

HolyHolla: My take is that Islam too should allow people to willingly and peacefully chose and not throw the world into unnecessary conflagration. If truly you believe that your god is almighty and will bring judgement of destruction on the kafir as claimed in the quran, why not wait for that god to do it rather than try to do it on his behalf? It comes to reason then, that the One who is indeed God, has the capacity to deal with His enemies and does not require His faithful worshippers to do it for Him.

I must tell you and I am not care either you believe me or not. Islam mean peace, if anybody claims to be fighting in the name of Islam then you should know the person is either a liar or trying to blackmail Islam. The media is to be blame for your misconception on Islam
CAN chairman(a pastor of baptist) in ask his member to disguise like muslim and throw banger in to his church after prophecy he claimed to receive from God that book haram will attack.
Assuming he succeeded, what will you think of muslims?
Now I will shed light on conditions for Islamic war
1- It must be declared under Islamic State by Muslim leader(Single Leader) not Sect leader.
2- It should be fought if you are attacked and should be commanded by Islamic leader. The Prophet lived with pagan in Macca peacefully after he conquered them; he lived with Christians in Medina even when muslims were majority.

malvisguy212: dos are the old testement law, [s]God has giving us his grace through his son,in the old testement when you live by God law and you break it you will pay the penalty,it will be hard for man to keep it or to fullfiled what it require by the law, but jesus has already fullfiled it,how? He teach us how to obey the law,instead of ten commandment he make it two for us, how?
1.worship God with all your heart: if you love God you will not worship any other object just like muslims bow down to a stone
2. Love your neigbour as your self:if you love your neigbour you will not kill,molest or steal from him. So the ten comandment and the two comandment are still the same law BUT IN THE NEW TESTEMENT COMMANDMENT JESUS BRING, HE GIVE US HIS GRACE AND MERCY, IF I BREAK THE LAW, AND I GENUELY REPENT FROM MY HEART, GOD WILL FORGIVE ME. This is the difference of the old and new testement law.
You guys in the arab live by the law [sharia law] rejecting the grace and mercy of God .



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self- defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden) . But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self- defense? Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

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@bold, you need to answer these questions
1- In the old time why was it that God did not give them the so call grace you claim to have been given now?

2- In your judgment will you say God was so cruel by asking those people to fight?

Don't forget the following word of Jesus

◄ Luke 12:49 ►

New International Version
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

New Living Translation
Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!

A slowpoke WILL COME NOW AND SAY THIS IS OLD TESTAMENT AFTER WHICH JESUS HAD CLEARLY STATED HIS INTENTION OF NOT OPPOSING THE LAW BUT TO MAKE IT PASS AS IF GOD OF OLD TESTAMENT IS DIFFERENT FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1 Samuel 15 King James Version (KJV)

15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

EVEN WOMEN, INFANT, SUCKLING(IMAGINE), ANIMALS WERE NOT SPARED

THE QUESTIONS ARE:
1- WILL CHRISTIANS SAY GOD WAS NOT JUST AND KIND FOR GIVING THAT ORDER?(I SEEK REFUGE)
2- WE HEAR MEN, WOMEN, WHAT CONCERN INFANT, SUCKLING AND ANIMALS?

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Let us see what these hypocrites have to say about this

The bible even go to the extent of treating those who surrendered mercilessly

Deuteronomy 20 New International Version (NIV)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

malvisguy212: you sound intelingent but you are somehow ignorance.


Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do
not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made
unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who
were given the SCRIPTUR - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

The people that are giving the scripture, did they pay the jizyay?

Do you know that which ever village boko haram capture, they preach islam to the villagers untill they accept islam? Am telling you the truth brother believe me.

Mr Lost sheep!!! what do you have to say about this?

Deuteronomy 20 New International Version (NIV)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

PastorKun: Are you this daft or you are just intentionally being stoopid

Between you and I who do you think best suited with those qualification? Am very sure your One of the reasons is that you are a sheep that is being brain washed by some smart entities (e.g CAN)

SmellMyFart: ISLAM IS BOKO. Period

Oga at the bottom, you will agree with me that recent harms exposure prove CAN to be boko haram sponsored and all those boko haram are not muslim but christian in disguise

1- CAN president jet found with almost 10 million dollars to purchase harms
2- CAN chairman in a local government of Osun state prophecies emergence of boko haram in Osun and ask his church member to disguise like muslim and throw bangers in to his own church in other to cause chaos in Osun

PastorKun: It's a fact that most muslims hate boko haram because apart from the fact that boko haram are giving Islam a bad image because of the atrocities they commit in the name of Islam a lot of muslims are also victims of their atrocities. However boko haram, ISIS and other extremists groups claim that they are the true muslims and that moderate muslims like you are hypocrites. They justify their actions quoting instructions from the quoran such as quoran 8:39 and 9:28-30.

They also sight the example of Mohammed who led several battles to forcefully convert people to Islam(Jihad). They claim to be following in the foot steps of Mohammed who is the perfect example for all muslims. How do you explain or reconcile this?

Oga at the bottom, you will agree with me that recent harms exposure prove CAN to be boko haram sponsored and all those boko haram are not muslim but christian in disguise

1- CAN president jet found with almost 10 million dollars to purchase harms
2- CAN chairman in a local government of Osun state prophecies emergence of boko haram in Osun and ask his church member to disguise like muslim and throw bangers in to his own church in other to cause chaos in Osun

Timzy234: And ur point is :-/

Clearly State But only Hippocratic don't understand it

stint: Op please answer the following:
1. if it is true that Christianity sanctions genocide, why then have we not seen people killing in the name of Jesus?
2. What is the difference between Judaism and Christianity
3. why is the Quran easily "misunderstood" to support killing by "some" Muslims while Christians do not kill in the name of God

Mr man!!! you will agree with me that you christian always kill in the name of Jesus. is only that you do it silently and package it very well

Evidence

Am sure you pay tithe

Am sure you are aware that you pastors buy Private Jet with your tithe money

Am sure you know what they use that jet for. A very strait forward answer is exposure of CAN president (Orisjefo or what) collaborating with GEJ(christian) to purchase harms for your their(christian) boko haram

Am sure you are aware of CAN chairman in a local government of Osun State who prophecize that we are going to experience boko haram in the local government and later ask his church member to dress like muslims and started throwing bangers into his church

Oga did you want to know? Christians Leaders are boko haram in disguise

If you want to convince me that you are not part of boko haram, you must tell me you have stop paying tithe to your leaders

Timzy234: ALL the Christian Scriptures that talk about violence are stories of the Old Testament. Rilwan001, read the difference between Judaism and Christianity then edit your thread, thank you.

Oga at the bottom, you must be the leader of 419 chai!!!!!! when it comes to 10% hun you will say is bible but when it come to strait bullet that treat your Bleep up in the bible you will say OLD TESTAMENT

Psylas: the news is not real.

what is your prove?

Those of you who deny life after death, I hope you will change you mind before it is too late.

Just click on this link

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/[b][/b]

Those of you who deny life after death, I hope you will change you mind before it is too late.

Just click on this link

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/

@Sbak you need to read the following and not the bold then you will have to answer the question after

The Christian Association of Nigerian, CAN, an umbrella body for the country’s teeming Christians, descended into full-blown crisis Wednesday with the Catholic Bishops Conference of Nigeria making public its decision to pull out of the fold over the way the Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor-led executive is running the association. The Catholic bishop’s action is perhaps the first time in the association’s 37-year history that any of its five blocs would pull out over alleged poor leadership and politicization of the association.
CAN was formed in 1976 by five Christian blocs in the country: the Christian Council of Nigeria; the Catholic Secretariat of Nigeria, the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria; Organisation of African Instituted Churches, and the Evangelical Fellowship of West Africa.
But in a letter to Mr. Oritsejafor in September but made public Wednesday, the Catholics, one of the association’s most influential blocs, said it was temporarily exiting “over some recent attitudes, utterances and actions of the national leadership of CAN which in our opinion negate the concept of the foundation of the association and the desire of Our Lord Jesus Christ”. The letter, dated September 24, 2012, is signed by Most Rev Ignatius Kaigama, President, Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Nigeria (CBNC) and addressed to Mr. Oritsejafor.
Mr. Kaigama said his group was suspending “participation in CAN meetings at the national level until such a time the leadership of CAN reverse back to the original vision, mission and objectives of CAN”. Expatiating further on its grouse with the Oritsejafor-led leadership of the association, the bishops lamented that CAN had been politicized and was no longer being used to promote peace and unity in the country. “CAN is being dragged into partisan politics thereby compromising the ability to play its true role as conscience of the nation and the voice of the voiceless,” the bishops said. Mr. Oritsejafor has often been accused of being divisive in the way he is running the association, often making comments in support of the Peoples Democratic Party-led federal government and President Goodluck Jonathan. Some Christians believe he has pushed CAN into ignominy with his utterances and actions making Nigerians to regard the association as an arm of the PDP.
Mr. Oritsejafor became even more unpopular among his colleagues and around the country in late 2012 when he got a new jet as gift from unknown donors even as many more than 70 percent of Nigerians live below the poverty line. He is yet to disclose the names of those who gave him the jet. But he maintained that the jet would enable him to travel around Nigeria and the world for evangelism with little or no flight delay. Read full letter below.

lastpage: Let us assume ALL you posted above are TRUE!

Question is: Is it CAN or Ihijerika or whoever you say is blaspheming ISLAM, the one who goes around KIDNAPPING 250 YOUNG GIRLS, BURNING AND BOMBING HOMES/PEOPLE, RECITING AL_HAKRUBAWA WHILE BEHEADING ANOTHER INNOCENT PERSON?

Did we see any of those people you mentioned doing that or ISLAMIC TERRORISTS LIKE BOKO HARAM AND ISIS (DEGARSH)?

Those people might be guilty of other crimes (like corruption, looting, e.t.c) but dont muddle things up or use them as scape-goat.

Please spare us the stories, Guns and bombs dont kill people by themselves, ...People use Guns/Bombs to Kill People!

WHEN DID BUYING ARMS AND ROCKET BY NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT BECOME A SEXUAL AFFAIRS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE THAT MUST BE KEPT SECRETIVE BY BOTH PARTIES? THE ISSUE OF PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAFOR'S NIGERIA C.A.N PRESIDENT PRIVATE JET INVOLVED IN THE ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING IS NOT A SMALL MATTER THAT SOMEBODY CAN JUST COOK UP HARRY, GEORGE, DANIEL, ONMONYA AND AKPORS DEFENCE. MARILYN OGA MUST COME OUT OF HER SHELL AND DEFEND HER PIPER DICTATORS IN TERRORISTS AND SECCESSION PLOT AGAINST OUR COUNTRY. IF AN ISRAEL TERRORIST ZIONIST CAN BE AWARDED A 10 MILLION DOLLAR ARMUNITION CONTRACT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF PASSING THROUGH MINISTRY OF DEFENCE AND CLEARING FROM NECCESSARY DUE PROCESS AGENCIES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED. THEN WE MUST ASKED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOTIVE OF HIRING AN ISRAELIS MAN WHO FAILED TO DECLARED THE MONEY WITH E.F.C.C AND OTHER AGENCIES INVOLVED IN MONEY LAUNDERING AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS BEFORE MOVING THE MONEY OUT OF THIS COUNTRY? AND DID PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAFOR JET INVOLVED A COMMERCIAL CARGO PLANE OR ORDINARY COMMERCIAL JET?. WHY DID THEY REFUSED NOT TO DECLARE THE MONEY INVOLVED BEFORE THE WHOLE THING BECOME PUBLIC ISSUE BY ALLAH'S GRACE AS IT IS NOW? THERE IS NEED FOR EXTENSITVE INVESTIGATION TO UNRAVEL THE TRUTH OF THIS MATTER NOT COCK AND BULK STORY AS FACE BOOK TIGERS ARE DOING NOW!!!

Ubenedictus: Source pls

read the post again

I THINK IT IS TIME FOR NIGERIANS TO CALL TRUTH ITS NAME(TRUTH)

PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAROR PRIVAVE JET CAUGHT WITH 10 MILLION DOLLARS INTENT TO PURCHASE ARMS AND WAR EQUIPMENT ARRESTED WITH THE ISRAELIS ARM CONSULTANT IN SOUTH AFRICA!!!

IRONICALLY THE NIGERIA PRESIDENCY HAS ASKED THEY BE RELEASED AND FREE FROM SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATION. SAHARA REPORTERS..............................ALL HANDS MUST BE ON DESK, ALL PATRIOTIC NIGERIAN MUST ENSURED DR' EBELE AZIKWE GOODLUCK JONATHAN, DID NOT WIN THIRD TERM ELECTION, FOR NIGERIA TO MOVE FORWARD IN PEACE AND NOT PIECES!!!

THE QUESTION IS IF THOSE ARMS ARE SUCCESSFULLY IMPORT TO NIGERIA, WHO ARE THE TARGET?

A) MUSLIMS
B) HERBALIST
C) CHRISTIAN
D) NO RELIGION

I THINK IT IS TIME FOR NIGERIANS TO CALL TRUTH ITS NAME(TRUTH)

PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAROR PRIVAVE JET CAUGHT WITH 10 MILLION DOLLARS INTENT TO PURCHASE ARMS AND WAR EQUIPMENT ARRESTED WITH THE ISRAELIS ARM CONSULTANT IN SOUTH AFRICA!!!

THE QUESTION IS WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THESE ARMS MEANT?

IRONICALLY THE NIGERIA PRESIDENCY HAS ASKED THEY BE RELEASED AND FREE FROM SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATION. SAHARA REPORTERS..............................ALL HANDS MUST BE ON DESK, ALL PATRIOTIC NIGERIAN MUST ENSURED DR' EBELE AZIKWE GOODLUCK JONATHAN, DID NOT WIN THIRD TERM ELECTION, FOR NIGERIA TO MOVE FORWARD IN PEACE AND NOT PIECES!!!

I PITY THEM O!!!!
BUT HOW COME THIS MAN NO SEE IT B/4 IT HAPPENED ABI THEIR IS NETWORK FAILURE IN THE POWER OF THE SO CALLED HOLY SPIRIT?
I BEG NO VEX ONLY ASKING

OLAADEGBU: What has your thread got to do with this one?

It has to do with your redemption from believing bible is world of God
Just click and make your self comfortable

OLAADEGBU: Fulfilled Prophecy
Seven Compelling Evidences
by Dan Hayden on March 9, 2011; last featured August 3, 2014

Among the many amazing evidences that confirm the Bible’s divine origin, surely the wealth of fulfilled prophecies is near the top. Just a few examples should suffice to dumbfound all but the most hardened critics.

Accurate predictions of future events that have virtually no probability of occurring by coincidence are spectacular precisely because they seem so suprahuman. Popular prognosticators like Nostradamus have entertained generations with their elaborate fortune-telling, despite their pitiful track records of inaccuracy.

WITH IMPECCABLE ACCURACY, THE BIBLE HAS CONSISTENTLY UNVEILED THE FUTURE FOR CENTURIES.

But biblical prophecy is different from all other predictions. With incredible detail, forthright clarity, and impeccable accuracy, the Bible has consistently unveiled the future for centuries.

Critics of the Bible, for instance, have squirmed over the prophetic insights of Daniel, the sixth-century BC Jewish prophet in Babylon. With eye-opening precision, Daniel interpreted two sets of dreams, one by a pagan ruler (chapter 2) and the other by the prophet himself (chapter 7), thereby forecasting the entire course of Middle East history over the next five centuries.

Daniel describes the exact ebb and flow of four empires from Babylon to Medo-Persia to Greece to Rome. He even foresaw the meteoric rise to power of the Greek conqueror Alexander the Great, as well as the final division of his Greek empire by four of his surviving generals (Daniel 7:6, 8:5–8, 11:2–4).

Desperate to counter the implications of this prophetic phenomenon, nineteenth-century skeptics concocted dating schemes that placed the time of Daniel’s writing after the events. Careful research by modern textual scholars, however, has validated the early origin of this prophecy, establishing Daniel as the authentic author.¹ Daniel’s prophecy is a genuine “Wow,” which clearly gives evidence of the Bible’s divine nature.

Historical Prophecies

Yet the Bible is filled with other amazing, supernatural predictions, just like Daniel’s, that can be verified by historical records. Historical prophecies that spoke about the future at the time of writing but later came true are particularly effective as an evidence of Scripture’s trustworthiness.

Your ability to point to Ezekiel’s prophecy of the destruction of the Phoenician city Tyre (Ezekiel 26) or Isaiah’s amazing prediction concerning the coming reign of the Persian King Cyrus—two hundred years before his birth (Isaiah 44:28)—will certainly give you an advantage in any discussion on the Bible’s authenticity as a divine book. Only the true God can so consistently predict such distant events, as God Himself asserts (Isaiah 41:21–23, 48:3–5).²

Messianic Prophecies

Just as effective are Messianic prophecies that were validated in the New Testament. Even though the fulfillment of these predictions hundreds of years later is documented within the Bible itself rather than secular history, the impact is still impressive.

Sharing details about any one example should suffice to make your point. Consider Micah, the seventh-century BC prophet who foretold that Christ would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). Christ’s parents, Mary and Joseph, lived in Nazareth, which was nowhere near Bethlehem. So God used a Roman census for taxation to send Jesus’s earthly parents south on an arduous journey to the little town of His birth.

Yet Micah accurately predicted this event over six hundred years before it occurred. Jesus could not have manipulated these events, nor could Luke, the historian who recorded its fulfillment. More than sixty fulfilled Messianic prophecies like this validate the Bible as the Word of God.

As you familiarise yourself with these categories of amazing biblical predictions, you will certainly be equipped to give amazing evidences that the Bible is God’s impeccable truth for mankind. Perhaps it will even add to your own excitement about your faith.

https://answersingenesis.org/is-the-bible-true/4-fulfilled-prophecy/

Mr OLAADEGBU OR WHAT DO YOU CALL YOUR SELF, YOU HAVE THIS EVIDENCES AND YOU REFUSE TO PROVE YOUR SELF ON THIS THREAD EVEN WHEN YOUR NAME WAS MENTIONED. ARE YOU SCARE OR NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH? IF YOU ARE SURE OF YOUR SELF, JUST CLICK ON THIS

https://www.nairaland.com/1866203/people-hate-jesus-love-muhammad