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PrinxArthur1: u SADF.OLLYWOOD ran away from DRC coward!!!

When?

agaugust: Dakota flying coffin...Bwahahahaha ; D

Same Dakota that South African air force chief said are 66 years old and the poor air chief was crying to buy Nigeria's type of Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft ! LOL !

You are not even ashamed to put Mandela's national flag on a flying cucumber Dakota 66 year old rust bucket ; D
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We have 4 of those same beachcraft by the way.

agaugust: [size=14pt]There is NO single, purpose built, ISTAR dedicated , special missions, military aeroplane with a ground recce radar in the whole of South Africa today.

SANDF is not 66 years behind Nigeria, gap has increased, SANDF is now 166 years behind NAF.

Nigeria is South Africa's ISTAR master

Go fry your chicken with petrol

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And you don't have any either so what is your point. All of yours are convert transport aircraft like ours, only we convert our own.

Henry240: There are a lot of things you haven't "seen" in NAF or the entire military colours. I can start listing them.

true, and we don't know if they operational. any case I hardly care you only bought a hand full.

agaugust: Jet fighter = ISTAR platform

Sure you failed exams in military academy, they just promote you in South Africa as part of backward policy
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAS_39_Gripen

In 1979, the Swedish government began development studies for an aircraft capable of fighter, attack and reconnaissance missions to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen. A new design from Saab was selected and developed as the JAS 39,

Henry240: You don't know Super-Tucanos also perform recon duty abi?





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*****Rebuttal to any stup1d comment you make.

do yours have the needed systems for that, and we still have not seen any in NAF coulers

agaugust: A jet fighter or trainer is NOT an ISTAR dedicated purpose built multi-mission ISTAR aircraft. Pakistani F-7 PG jets carry recon pods, have they become ISTAR aircraft?

See why I call you Navy cook-chef ? ; D
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again they where built to be recon aircraft from the grounds up. Most of the recon in Angola in the late 80s was done by jets.

agaugust: DefenceWeb is a blog like beegeagle, anybody in this world can log on to DefenceWeb and post personal comment anytime. You don't know what a blog is...ANC prisoner

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That is not a blog, that is people giving there opion on a article. Many news sits give the option.

agaugust: NAF and MOD said 40 combat helicopters, 30 units from USA and 10 units from Russia.

Weblinks were posted here with the 30:10 USA:Russia, source repeated on this forum many times when you were not here in July....mister 'newcomer'
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Those are countries, I mean from where aka EX USMC, Boeing, extra

patches689: Cool.

We got 26 Gripen, 10 DAK's and 11 Cessna 208s, 4 Super Lynx, operational drones, subs and frigates and sattelites

We got surveillance coming out of our arse

and the A109s

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/101/carl-zeiss-optronics-argos-410-z

hell we can use the orxy EW for signit if we want to

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/oryx_ew_400x300.JPG

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13928:ew-spend-adds-up&catid=48:Information+&+Communication+Technologies&Itemid=

Two recent contracts to main and support various electronic warfare (EW) platforms across the services of the South Africa National Defence Force (SANDF) has taken determinable spending on the dark art to some R222.7 million since 2007.

The US Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms (DMAT) defines EW as “any military action involving the use of electromagnetic and directed energy to control the electromagnetic spectrum or to attack the enemy. The three major subdivisions within electronic warfare are electronic attack, electronic protection, and electronic warfare support.”

The South African Air Force earlier this month placed orders – extensions of existing contracts – on the country's two EW houses – Grintek Ewation and Sysdel. Grintek Ewation received a R1 666 667 contract to maintain and support the communication jammer and communication intelligence system developed for the Oryx medium helicopter and a communication intelligence system designed for the Douglas C47 TP Dakota. Sysdel, was tasked with further interim logistic support for the electric support measure subsystems of the AgustaWestland SuperLynx 300 maritime helicopter. The deals take known spending to R222 679 074.03.

The DMAT explains electronic attack (EA) as that division of EW involving the use of electromagnetic energy, directed energy, or antiradiation weapons to attack personnel, facilities, or equipment with the intent of degrading, neutralising, or destroying enemy combat capability and is considered a form of fires. EA includes actions taken to prevent or reduce an enemy’s effective use of the electromagnetic spectrum, such as jamming and electromagnetic deception, and employment of weapons that use either electromagnetic or directed energy as their primary destructive mechanism, such as lasers, radio frequency weapons and particle beams

Electronic protection is that component of EW involving passive and active means taken to protect personnel, facilities, and equipment from any effects of friendly or enemy employment of EW that degrade, neutralise, or destroy friendly combat capability.

Electronic warfare support is that aspect of EW involving actions tasked by, or under direct control of, an operational commander to search for, intercept, identify, and locate or localise sources of intentional and unintentional radiated electromagnetic energy for the purpose of immediate threat recognition, targeting, planning and conduct of future operations. Thus, electronic warfare support provides information required for decisions involving electronic warfare operations and other tactical actions such as threat avoidance, targeting, and homing. Electronic warfare support data can be used to produce signals intelligence, provide targeting for electronic or destructive attack, and produce measurement and signature intelligence.

Henry240: Does SAAF use Gripen jets for surveillance duties in your parks?......... NO. You don't even got the money to keep them air-worthy.


Fighter jets are not surveillance aircrafts, NAF's up-graded Alpha jets can and originally were up-graded for maritime patrol duties.

They have done it at all major gathering and events

Ever wondered what JAS stands for it is Swedish in English it would be FAR or fighter, attack and reconnaissance. The gripen was built from the grounds up for recon.

Henry240: Like I said, I don't trust defenceweb.co.za. It isn't a reliable site. Until I can see the AW101, or a nigerian news outlet reports on it, it doesn't exist.

Exactly, when the PAF has 2 VIP helicopters.

They gave the source, the aircraft are in NAF coulers, does not mean you getting them or if that is the final couler scheme. It could be part of the 40.

If defence web is lying here then AgustaWestland’s would come down hard on them. They would loose a lot of there sponsors and shut down

Henry240: Nigeria has the largest, most sophisticated, and most extensive surveillance assets in Africa.

For surveillance, NAF operates

Donier DO-228
Beechcraft super king Air 350 COMMINT
Alenia ATR-42 500 ELINT
Diamond DA42 MPP
Satellite imagery

On the issue of surveillance, nigeria is heads and shoulders above the rest of Africa.

This issue isn't even up for debate.

And what of the recon pods for the gripen and hawks.

agaugust: Bwahahaha

Where was South African air force when pirates were snatching European ship in your SADC backyard and region of influence and Angola had to call Nigeria for help instead of calling South Africa as fellow SADC regional security member?

Pirates are also having fun on your other side, the Mozambique channel where SANDF Valour frigates are being dribbled around like Rhino poachers frustrated SANDF 31 Battalion soldiers and Special forces Battalion too?

Over-rated Banana Republic military, all about photos, zero real performance : D

South Africa is flying about in 3 old school caravan toy sized aircraft refitted for world cup stadium security NOT military use . LOL !

Those you tea cup sized flying mosquitoes have NO single sea search radar !

Nigeria has Beechcraft King Air Special Mission ISTAR aircraft with 80km range ground search radar, not to mention ATR-42 radar range 330km, now 7 units of new state-of-the-art world class ISR aircraft with long range radar and camera are landing in Nigeria and NAF is removing the fresh package covers to show the new African leader in ISTAR....Nigerian air force !

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Do you have any idea how far Angola is from SA. Any case we on the east coast. On those pirates came from your neck of the woods and Angola is not south Africa.

you do know that a beach king is all so a civilian aircraft, that you have reconfigured, sorry got some one to reconfigure for you to a MPA role. And you know SAAF has been flying the same aircraft you just got for a few years now?

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Henry240: AW101 (Military)
The AW101 is the medium/heavy multi-role platform of choice in its class with extensive operational experience gathered in both the Land and Maritime environments. It benefits from a modern design with embedded safety-enhancing features. Based on a common airframe and core system, it is configured to meet diverse roles for pre-dominantly Maritime and Utility tasks. The large cabin can carry up to 38 troops on crashworthy seats or 16 stretcher patients. Three GE CT7-8E engines, with a two engine cruise option to extend range or endurance, provide unparalleled performance in all environments. Agility, range, and endurance coupled with a comprehensive advanced avionics and mission system suite enable the aircraft to fulfil multiple tasks in one mission. Roles include troop transport, casualty evacuation, tactical and amphibious support, combat SAR, disaster relief, anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, airborne mine countermeasures, long range search and rescue (SAR), maritime interdiction and airborne surveillance and area control (ASAC).

It is a great chopper, hence I bolded the VIP part. Why, why does the president need such a big VIP chopper.

Henry240: Defenceweb.co.za, a reliable source, are you freaking kidding me


Then, I'm the King of England.

They gave there sources, as in the company that provided the upgrades. Has NAF told us who they getting to upgrad the stuff or where they buying 40 helicopters?

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agaugust: Olodo rabata . LOL !

NAF ordered 30 helicopters from USA and 10 from Russia, now extra 2 from Italy-Britain....means we getting 40 combat helicopters and 2 VIP transport helicopters.

Nigeria is buying more than government declared initially.

NAF has turned SAAF into a dwarf
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here is the thing, no body knows what aircraft, no order has been put down, most seem to think you buying second hand and there is zero indication NAFs budget will increase your defence budget is all ready a massive part of your annual budget and is still smaller than SA. So have fun marinating 40 old choppers.

and will still have less than SA

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9236:saaf-refreshes-caravan-fleet-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

The South African Air Force is paying Interjet Maintenance (Pty) Ltd some R7.7 million for the provision of product support services for the Cessna C208 Caravan light transport.

The R7 786 400 contract – ELGS/2010/36 – was awarded last Thursday. The SAAF operates 13 of the aircraft after acquiring the type in 2008.

The SAAF uses the type as a light transport, aerial surveillance and electronic warfare (EW) platform[/i]. In 2007 the SAAF awarded a contract on Aerosud and Denel under Project Koiler for a day/night reconnaissance system for the C208.The contract involved the acquisition of three sets of mission equipment and the modification of 11 aircraft[i]. The aircraft, so equipped, was successfully used in Operation Kgwele, the drive to secure last year's FIFA Confederations Cup and this year's World Cup.

EW niche company Sysdel has also outfitted some Caravan aircraft as EW platforms. [i][/i]


The SAAF believes the C208 an serve at least another decade.


https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/cessna_caravan_argos_400x300.jpg
https://www.saairforce.co.za/seed/public/files/article_images/1009/4e2b08f5c0e6b_large.jpg

agaugust: [size=14pt]

More humiliation for you after that of yesterday.

Swallow this and choke...Dumbo Domingo

The country’s military on Tuesday took the wraps off a new aircraft to tackle high sea pirates off the country’s coast, as well as maritime hijackers and oil thieves.

The high-tech plane is one of seven to be operated by the state-run Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency (NIMASA) and the Nigerian Air Force. It includes sensors, radar and Electro-Optic Surveillance and Tracking (EOST) equipment, which houses three cameras to monitor ships in Nigerian waters, said Sergeant Sunday Olalekan Omotosho.

“When fully operational, no vessel can escape our coverage,” he told reporters before a demonstration flight from Lagos to Escravos in the Niger Delta and over offshore platforms in the oil-producing southeast.

http://m.dailytimes.com.ng/article/military-showcases-aircraft-tackle-piracy

South African air force will now be 166 years behind NAF in ISTAR airborne capability

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What do you thing our gripens have been doing, and our caravan all so have FLIR cameras not to menstion we have zero pirates in SA

patches689: South Africa revenues: $88.53 billion
expenditures: $105.5 billion (2013 est.)

Nigeria revenues: $23.85 billion
expenditures: $31.51 billion (2013 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2056.html

Our debt represents only 45% of our yearly tax revenue

Yours represents 85% of your yearly tax revenue

something many people forget is that debt only becomes a issue once it above your means to pay back. We can still afford to pay ours back.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=35923:nigerian-air-force-acquiring-aw101-helicopters&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

The Nigerian Air Force will soon take delivery of two AgustaWestland AW101 helicopters, which will be used for VIP transport duties.
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One of the AW101s was seen at AgustaWestland’s facility in Yeovil, Somerset, in the United Kingdom painted in Nigerian Air Force (NAF) VIP colours. The aircraft will presumably be operated by the NAF’s 101 Presidential Air Fleet in Abuja, according to Air Forces Daily.

The Nigerian AW101s were originally scheduled to be delivered to the Indian Air Force, but the Indian contract was subsequently cancelled following allegations of bribery and corruption.

The NAF has been receiving a number of new aircraft recently and late last month took delivery of three [img]Beechcraft King Air 350i light transport aircraft, which are operated by the 209 Executive Airlift Group (EAG[/img]) at Abuja-Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport. The 209 EAG recently officially accepted an Mi-17-V5 helicopter[i], which had previously been operated by the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) for search and rescue duties.

Furthermore, the Nigerian government has apparently ordered 40 helicopters for attack and transport duties from the United States and Russia. This Day said the helicopters could start arriving as early as this month and the remainder could arrive by the end of the year.


It was earlier reported that Nigeria is receiving two helicopter gunships, most likely Mi-35s. The Nigerian Budget Office this year allocated funds for six Mi-35M helicopters.

On a related note, the Nigerian Air Force’s Mil Mi-34C helicopters have been transferred to New Zealand. Between eight and 12 were delivered around 2002 for pilot training but had been withdrawn by 2011 due to gearbox issues. By December 2013, six of the original batch had arrived in New Zealand.[i][/i]

Henry120: MOPOL is not part of the military. They're the SWAT unit of the nigerian police.


I don't see how that's racist.

No they a parmitary police unit used in COIN warfare basically koevoet, only koevoet where bad ass with a great success rate.

Lagos slums where actualy menstion in south africas army 2020 vission document. It talked how the SA army would need to develop sytem to aid and protect solders from the dangers of slums. Like that of ebola. All so most milltary hardwar is to powerfull for fighting there. Open up with a 12.7mm and even if you kill your target the round would probaly pass through and kill some one else.

The SANDF might get 9mm PDW for use in african slums.

Henry120: And it has been mordernized on many occasions to improve penetration.

that all to do with the round and the 5.56mm is even better. the AK74 firs a rather weak round a 5.45mm round

agaugust: The only photos if bodies available are those of South African army all over internet, if you cannot show us photo of any dead Seleka, it means ONLY your SANDF died in battle of Bangui, Seleka had maybe some wounded who recovered after medical treatment.

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and those photos where taken in south Africa, there are no photos of any bodies in the CAR at all. Bt the fact seleka admits there losses means nothing to a dipshit like you.

agaugust: Women are weaker vessels, the world knows that. The big problem is South African army Union that protested against the plan of your government to send reinforcement to C.A.R. and save the people of a fellow African country in her time of need.

SANDF soldiers told Jacob Zuma that they joined the army to get monthly salary and NOT to die, saying anywhere there is death, they will not go, they want to fvck their wives at home and pose in Hollywood photos for @THIZA the great photographer
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What BS, please show where that was said or took place. The defence force is dangours every day even during peace time.

Henry120: Excuse this photo.


I'll pick this AK-74 with EOTECH sight over any of the Ctavor or HK416

The AK74 uses a smaller weaker round than the 5,56mm nato though.

agaugust: Show us the bodies of 350 to 1,000 Seleka men you claimed to have killed.

Show us the bodies or names of 1,000 Nigerian soldiers you say Bokos killed.

We are waiting!

Seleka them self do not denia the claims, in fact they admit how hard the fighting was. SA has come out and called the extra deaths BS