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agaugust: jacob zuma's foolish navy sailors ran a $300 million submarine aground into the sea bottom hitting rocks and mud there, fools of pretoria

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The americans sailed a sub in to mountain all most sinking it. SA was conducting a emgancy dive exersize then a mechaincal faluer occuerd. The sailors on board saved the boat.

agaugust: leave the south african man alone, he said your submarines messed up, let him be in peace. mind your own business.

He is not south african by birth. My business is the navy, if his wish came true I would be out of a job. So it is my business.

There are people who say that jesuse is white and the has factualy wrong has this old man.

agaugust: means nothing. i am an accountant and i spent over 20 years of my life studying military history and weaponry. some lieutenet colonels have not studied all 3 armed forces to that level. some civilians are damn good at military stuff. saddam hussein was a civilian too.

You should get your money back since those are 20 waisted years. Your lake of genrail milltary knowldge is just amazing.

Nor do I say terry does not under stand the milltary he got is degree while in the US miltary duering the 1960s.

Fact is he has never served in the SANDF, does not know any one in the SANDF, has not studied the milltary (he only joined to get a degree) spend his live has banker, is pacfist and out spoken Anti milltary activist.

Useing him has a expert source is like useing a green peace hippie has a expert source against fracking.

agaugust: every body that says what you dont like, you label them as 'not a military expert'

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You welcome to look him up your self. He is chairman of the "South African affiliate of Economists Allied for Arms Reduction"

agaugust:
your very own country's south african weapons and defence experts have complaints, that the worst imaginable.....swallow it fast and choke

read now you fool of a debtor nation buying submarines that have a half dead battery on credit with bank loans


"The SAS Manthatisi, the first of the country's submarines acquired in the multibillion-rand arms deal, has been in the dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps, including crashing into a quay and damaging her steering mechanism.

Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing damage. The vessel's propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are being replaced.

Arms deal activist Terry Crawford-Browne said the incident was further proof of the folly of the arms deal. "South Africa has not yet paid for these submarines. They are being financed by Commerzbank until 2016, these loans being underwritten by Hermes and German taxpayers," he said.


"This is another example of what happens in arms deals all the time, but it seems to be happening more than most in our deals. We were sold equipment that seems to be of dubious quality, we were sold it at inflated prices because of the bribes that were paid, and the performance of this equipment has been very poor," said Feinstein"

soweto fools, scammed of their hard borrowed cash by white men from europe again

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/08/12/not-one-of-the-r8-billion-arms-deal-submarines-is-operational

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Terry Crawford-Browne is a banker and anti milltary. He is not a milltary expert, he has zero insider knowldge and would be happy only with the complet dissbanding of the SANDF.

agaugust: fact remains that in August 12th 2012 all 3 south african submarines purchased with bank loans $800 million all broke down, crashed to the sea bottom, crashed to the sea port concrete, had battery failure. soweto ripped of by the whites again.

you borrowed more money to repair your sub-standard submarines as soon as they were purchased, more debt, more interest, growing gbese of baba alajo

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/08/12/not-one-of-the-r8-billion-arms-deal-submarines-is-operational

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You do know the sub that hit the bottom sufferd no majore damge and sailed 1000km back to siommons town before taking part in wargames a week latter.

The news report there was wrong. They had no source and the entire artical is a out right lie.

The other submarine on that date was conducting routien maintance and the 3rd is a a refite.

He was given a clearance. Securty clearances do not check weather you qulfied to do your job. That is the fault of the orginisors or to be presis the fault of the company the orginisors hired to provide the servis. Mental health qustions are not part of the qustioner either crimnal record is. So unless those vilonet out bursts led to a crimnal convicstion they would not reflect on a back round check. He was all so unarmened and surrounded by snipers.

NaijaPikinGidi: Posting the article straight from source is usually meaningful when it comes with your contextual view! It helps us understand your position with regard to the material posted.

However, it is clear how confused you all are!



Even your Police and security operatives publicly have said he wasn't known! I have quoted sources previously and can quote some more! The more you spin the facts the more embarrassing and fraudulent you paint yourselves.

Probaly because he was not hierd but a company was hiered. Any case the guy works regulaly at ANC events.

NaijaPikinGidi: When did AndrewZA begin to act like Thiza, Mike..ZA, KwameTUT (aka AwodwaGyan) and CrazePig? Copying and pasting long lines and paragraphs of valueless information? How about doing readers a favour by summarizing the cock and bull story of your Minister and the sign man?

The embarrassment gets even worse each time you make efforts to wish it away.

I did not feel like it that is. I just posted a news artcal straight from the source. I am way to tired to summrise that enter artical.


But short of the matter the interpreter is knowen, the company that he works for is the one that has vanshied. He was checked by securty but they never asked can you actualy do the job and are you a crazy nut job that sees things. In hind sight from now on they will include those qustions now.

BluIvy: Dont you see those are retired generals? Are you blind? Does nigeria have such old people as soldiers and navy personel?

They not retired they senior warrant officers. They all around 60 in age and are not combat solders any more. They heared the right to carry that coffin many times over. Basicly they not retierd but this is there last few years in the milltary before they retire.

The four navel officers forming a sentry are activy duty. And are much younger.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627

South Africa's deputy disability minister says the government is investigating how a man who faked sign language at the Mandela memorial was given security clearance.

Thamsanqa Dyantyi, who stood alongside world leaders at the event, has denied being a fraud, and said he panicked when he began hallucinating.

He said he had schizophrenia, which had in the past made him act violently.

The agency that employed him, SA Interpreters, has reportedly vanished.

The African National Congress (ANC) said it had used Mr Dyantyi as an interpreter several times before, and "had not been aware of any of complaints regarding the quality of services, qualifications or reported illnesses" of the interpreter.

But it said Tuesday's memorial at a stadium in Johannesburg was organised by the state, not the ANC, so the ruling party could not comment on security arrangements.

The South African Translators' Institute said earlier there had been complaints over Mr Dyantyi's work before, but that the ANC had taken no action.

The ANC said it would "follow up the reported correspondence that has supposedly been sent to us in this regard and where necessary act on it".

'No embarrassment'

Mr Mandela died last week at the age of 95, and will be buried on Sunday.

His body is currently lying in state in Pretoria, with thousands queuing to pay their respects.

During the memorial, Mr Dyantyi stood on the stage next to key speakers including US President Barack Obama, South African President Jacob Zuma and Mr Mandela's grandchildren, translating their eulogies.

An interpreter on South Africa's SABC TV shows the signing which should have been used
Mr Dyantyi's performance was watched on television by millions of people worldwide and angered the South African deaf community. Pressure has been mounting on the government to explain why he was hired for such an important event.

Deputy Disability Minister Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu told a news conference on Thursday: "Firstly, I don't think South Africa as a country would put at risk anybody's security, especially those of heads of state.

"Secondly, when somebody provides a service of a sign language interpreter, I don't think... somebody would say: 'Is your head ok? Do you have any mental disability?' I think the focus was on: 'Are you able to sign? Can you provide the services?'"

But she said: "In terms of security clearance that is in a process, we are requesting to check his vetting."

Ms Bogopane-Zulu apologised to the deaf community but said there was no reason for the country to be embarrassed.


Mr Dyantyi has been employed to sign at ANC events in the past
"There are as many as a hundred sign language dialects," she said, explaining that Mr Dyantyi speaks Xhosa and that "the English was a bit too much for him".

She also accused Mr Dyantyi's employers of being "cheats", and said the directors of SA Interpreters had since vanished.

Government minister Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu said the interpreting firm had been providing sub-standard services for some time
Mr Dyantyi himself has blamed his flawed interpretation on a schizophrenic episode.

He told the Associated Press he had often been violent in the past, and had been due to attend a routine mental health check-up on the day of the memorial, to determine whether he needed to be admitted to hospital.

He told the BBC that during the event, he had had a breakdown, and started hallucinating that angels were coming down into the crowd.

"I started knowing that I am not real, because it's not something possible. But believe me I saw them coming on stage.

"From that moment, it was not myself," he said, saying he had becoming concerned for the safety of people in the stadium and was "absolutely" aware that he was not signing correctly.

Final journey


Long queues of mourners wait to catch a bus to view the body of ex-President Nelson Mandela, a scene reminiscent of that in 1994 when voters queued in Soweto

A long line of people wait outside the polling station in Soweto to vote in South Africa's first all-race elections in April 1994
Mr Mandela's body is lying in state until 13 December, when the military will fly the coffin to the Eastern Cape from Air Force Base Waterkloof in Pretoria.

A military guard of honour will welcome the arrival, and the coffin will then be placed on a gun carriage and transported to a hearse.

Mr Mandela's body will then be taken to his home village of Qunu, where the Thembu community will conduct a traditional ceremony.

A national day of reconciliation will take place on 16 December when a statue of Mr Mandela will be unveiled at the Union Buildings.

Big screens have been set up across South Africa to show the planned national events.

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[size=16pt]Submarines Vs Warships....who is stronger ?[/size]




first, i remind you that NNS ARADU's Otomat missile itself is partially stealth anti-ship missile.

a stealth warship is NOT invisible to radar, it only looks smaller like half its real size. dont carry your imaginations beyond reality man !

south african warships have only a short ranged surface to air missile defence, but NNS ARADU's Otomat is a surface to surface anti-ship missile, it does not go up like an aircraft in the sky for your surface to air missiles to stop it, Otomat hugs the ocean waters as a sea skimming missile and south africa has NO defensive missile against that.

only an anti-missile Missile can attempt to stop an Otomat, and south africa has no anti-missile Missile designed for that special role.




next point....you think submarines are a magical weapon platform ? against civilian ships yes. against naval warships no !

in world war II germany lost about 800 of its 1,200 submarines in combat and 300 of those submarines were sunk by warships.

germany's 1,200 submarines sank about 2,700 civilian merchant ships but only 180 naval warships in battles at sea.


http://www.navyhistory.org.au/british-and-german-submarine-statistics-of-world-war-ii/

if submarines are the magical weapons you south africans think they are, all big navies of the world will sell off their warships and buy only submarines. you dont know the technical limitations of submarines in naval warfare.

you think they are spirits that cannot be sunk while they have fun sinking ships, reason why i posted that link for you above.

out of 1,200 german submarines, ships sank 300 of those submarines in world war II, while the submarines sank only 180 of the warships.

who won the battle between ships and submarines ? the ships of course, statistics prove it in real war.

on the average for sea battles, when submarines sink one ship, the other ships sink two submarines also.

in year 2004 American Navy upgraded its anti-submarine capability against even the very modern Gotland class submarine which they wisely bought and experimented with to know how to defeat the Swedish submarine.

no real war has ever been fought in history between a warship with modern sonar and modern submarine. War games are only exercises for training, no live weapons are fired on each other, training is NOT war of fight to finish, kill and be killed.


The weakness of hidden submarines is that once they fire torpedoes, their hidden position is detected and the ship fires anti-submarine torpedoes too.

warships like NNS ARADU at almost 70km/hr moves 10 times faster than submerged submarines of only 7km/hr.

also, NNS ARADU at 70km/hr moves faster than torpedoes of 55km/hr coming from submarines.

enemy submarine moving at 7km/hr is 6 times slower than torpedoes of speed 45km/hr fired by NNS ARADU's.

i just showed you the technical reason why warships sink more submarines in real battle, not your games played between friendly navies that no weapons at all.

In real war, both the warship and submarine have a nearly close balance of power, but war history gives the victory of greater kills in favour of warships.

Worst for the submarine are the Lynx antisubmarine helicopters of Nigerian navy carried on board our NNS ARADU, once a submarine fires torpedoes the location is revealed as well as it's bearings /cardinal point direction at it moves at 7km/hr slow snail speed it will be hunted and sunk because the submarine will be about only 20km away from the ship due to short range of torpedoes.

a nigerian Lynx anti-submarine helicopter armed with its new upgraded year 2014 detector sonar and torpedoes flying safely at speed 300km/hr pursuing a south african submarine just 20km away while the slow submarine is trying to run away at snail slow speed of 7km/hr, it takes on 3 minutes for the helicopter to be exactly over the head of the submarine ! soweto's submarine is going to its sea bed grave for burial that day !

also, submarines hidden and submerged cannot stay more than about 24 hours under water without rushing back to the surface to save diesel fuel from finishing, only nuclear fuelled submarines can stay underwater hidden for weeks and no country in Africa has it.

You think a submarine is a mammy water spirit that cannot be destroyed ? No sir, you got it all wrong !

NNS ARADU, supported by our two new stealth Type 056 warships will lead a nigerian sea invasion of south africa and there will be terror and fear in your country when we arrive your waters !

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There are only 2 types of ships. Submarines and targets.


Since when is the ottmat stealthy, it is very unstealthy. I mean it is a big missiel no radar guided missiel is stealth since the use of radar is like shout I am here over a megaphone.

Suface to air means it shoots things down in the sky missiels fly in the sky thuse are targets. Not to menstion they bossted the range to 20km and the umkhonto has a secondary land attack role.

Anti missiel miessiel? The umkhonto was built to target air craft, drones, missiels, small boats, and a host of othere targets.

Modernday submariens are not the same has ww2 subs. That like compairing WW1 biplanes to modern jets.

There are certain jobs that subs just can not do. They execel at one thing sea denneail. You need surface ships for all other roles.

Yet that diessiel still out manvourses them. Not to menstion your NN does not have modern sonar.

Falcklands war, sub 1 surface ship zero,

It not that simple, a sub can evade a torpedo far better than a ship.

That why you wait for the surface ship. If the taget is say capetown you lay in wait let it come to you. Submarine warfare is hours of boring nothing with a few minuents of acstions. If the people on this forum are a reflecstion of nigeria your eagerness would make you a poor submarine users.

You do not use speed to out run them.

It showws how you used another appel v orgen comparsion. But that a standard of yours.

When last did your lynx fly?

2014? Nigerians invented time machines? Please show exactly what sytems are on your lynx?

This is not ww2, subs can now spend days under water and only come up to perscope depth to snorkal

You are fool.

agaugust: nigeria's 12 Alpha jets are built to be armed with Maverick multirole anti-ship missile. stop thinking that only south africa can import new weapons

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does nigeria use the Maverick? No.
that like me saying the gripen is built to use swedish anti ship missiels. nothing stopeing use from buying them.

agaugust: Since your whole air force is now proved useless against NNS ARADU it means Nigeria can invade South Africa by sea and make Mandela tremble in his grave.

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you do know what a bomb is, they have been used to sink ships for yearsM ardus defense sytems are no better if not worse than the RN in the 1980s and the arjies where able to use bombs on them

chris365: what kind of question are you asking me about my own country again. So you've suddenly become an expert on Nigeria overnight from your kitchen thousands of miles away than myself that lives and moves around the country ? Suit yourself then. I won't be blamed for your ignorance.

And I'm telling you boko haram will not try it even if they have 20 tanks.

You have confused Nigerian military for Malians.

I don't need to know nigeria. I know BH is strong and getting stronger, I know BH is a northern nigeria based orgnisation. It thuse needs to have the support of people in the north.

They do not need every body to support them, the fast majorty of people in east DRC did not support M23 but enough did for them to threaten the goverment


I never said they would try, I specfaly said they would go the rout of tamil tigers. Has in being destroyed. Once BH can fight pitched battel nigeria is a lost cause.


No I have not, the army of the DRC is larger than nigeria with T72 tanks, helcopters, jets, extra yet got beaten in pitch battel 2012. Same can happen with any country.

chris365: Did you type with sleepy eyes or it's just your ignorant self talking? Full blown civil war? Tamil tigers? Do you even know what you are talking about?

The Tamil tigers died the moment went into open battle with Sri Lanka. Boko haram can never get that kind of idea in a life time. They know it.

Almost all northerners despise bono haram so how will that kind of insurgency lead to a civil war when their troubled communities are already fighting alongside the army?

Please try to enlighten yourself before you continue talking like a drunk.

The Nigerian fighters in boko haram have almost been eradicated so they result to bringing foreign terrorists to fight for them.

the chance boko haram had to spark a civil or religious war was when they were bombing churches and assassinating Christians and pastors to spark reprisals. When they swa that it didn't work they went on to killing their fellow muslims for the same purpose.

now because they are doing some sneak attacks from bushes and desert you want to assume that is enough to start a civil war? No wonder you are regarded as a chef

The only scenario you can compare with ours is Algeria.

Eff are you talking about civil war? Take your pills abeg

How do you know how the northerners feel. The place is under a news black out. And if they had no support they would have died out long ago.


Do you even know what happened to the tamil tiggers? They where a rebel group who tried to fight like a state army and got wipped out in field battels by the army.

Regaudless of wether BH achieves littel in attacking milltary bases, the fact is they attacked. It shows BH is far from a beaten forces that the JTF claims, it shows they are not afraid of confronthing the milltary.

All so BH is a rebel forces. They conducting hit and run raids. They hit a target and get out before they pinned down in to a protracted fight that they will loose. They do the same on the defence that all rebel forces do. Set a rear gaurd and retreat. Once BH fights Nigeria in field battels it means one of 2 things. 1 nigeria is entering a full blown civil war or BH will go the way of the tamil tigers.

chris365: CAR situation is different from this. your base was overran and many of your troops slaughtered. SA had every justification to react but didn't.

instead you pulled out completely after scrambling jets and helos.

boko haram does not have any territorial claims in Nigeria. mot even a village. they have been pushed to operate from the desert and neighboring cameroon

they are a home based group that mix with civilians so fighting them is more difficult than fighting a foreign rebellion which you ran away from cos you have to be mindful of collateral damages that will earn them more support.

you lost completely In CAR when seleka dared you and you turned the other cheek.

despite some slip ups, Nigerian military still has the upper hand and all territories in this war. so you tell the difference yourself

The base it self was never over run.
We lost 15 men and killed over a thousand(though many of the seleka dead died days latter from infecstion) so it was not a slauter.
We had planned on flying renforments in but FOMAC and the french did not what a escasltion. Both have now asked SA to return and probly regret stand on the side line during the battel.

Could not reinforce with out realling pissing the french of and Fomac so withdrawl was the only opstion.

BH seems to be getting bolder and stronger with each attack. How long till nigeria becomes a syria.

Underground: Zaandrew, do you guys have sites similar to Nairaland in SA as well?

no, we have lots of forums, but not one forum that combines everything. There are SA gun forums, military forums, 4x4 forums, ex pat forums, extra extra but not one big RSALAND forum. There are lots of SA web sites though again all focusing in one specific area. But sine i only look at the politics section of naairland, i dont see the point in a RSALAND.

herquleez: Say all you want but hiluxes and other soft skinned vehicles on the battlefield are a death trap. The pictures you posted depict one of circumstances where special scout units mingle with local militia to carry out extreme recon. The vehicles are not even in military colours while the soldiers themselves are not uniformed. Again you don't see lots of these lined up to go into thick fight. The armoured humvees, strikers, bradleys are what you see. Embedded units in the US military use these soft skinned vehicles to mingle with local militia. Pakistan and India have some of the largest armed forces in the world hemce the need to supplement operational vehicles with soft skinned ones. Mind you, they are not exactly enviable in terms of tactics either and cannot be used as a standard.
Get the real message I'm passing, we use these ridiculous vehicles heavily in the battle front. It isn't the right!
And please don't get me started on the airforce. It's just a mess.

while they of not the best option for front line fighting they do serve a function, in CAR SA used them because they light meaning you can deploy them cheaply. of course in the DRC they not a front line vehicle of the SANDF but they still have a role. The ambulance version of the landcruiser is great, since it can get up narrow steep mountain roads that the cassper Ambulance can not, they all so used in rear are lassion purposes. In SA they used heavily in border patrols.

Even so SA can mount 90 to 110 a level (AFVs) in a infantry battalion, pick ups are not need to mount attacks, but each battalion has about 90 to 110 B vehicles (soft skinned) and the pick up will form part of that number.

In all SA acquired 18000 mill spec landcruisers make them one of the most common vehicle in serves.

Henry120: This post reeks of complete and utter ignorance, and I'm only going to respond to this buffoonnery this once.


To say that the transportation of soldeirs in hilux "is sick" is utter stupidity and shows your lack of military knowledge. The use of hilux trucks for COIN operations is not peculiar to nigeria. South-african soldiers in CAR used large numbers of pick-up trucks, the indians use pick-up trucks, same as the pakistanis, mexicans, colombians, brazilians, turks and the almighty united states of america.

The pick-up truck allows the army to deploy quickly and in large numbers, it is a cost saving measure for the countries that deploy them. It is versatile, fast and economical, al-though it sacrifices protection.



You talk like an ignorant child, so the attack on a US marine base in afghanistan and the destruction of multiple US marines harrier jets was as a result of what exactly? You should not be talking about things you are obviously ignorant about.


According to you, the nigerian airforce is incapable of carrying out night raids, and no drones are deployed.............. The confidence you have in the ignorant statement's you've made amuses me.

www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/23/militants-attack-pakistani-naval-base-karachi

www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/world/asia/11pstan.html?_r=1&

www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/14/marine-base-attacked-in-afghanistan/

Not saying that US SF do not use pick up's but i think that those are PMCs, i have never known SF guys to dress in civlian and then drive arounds with a big flag posing for photos. Unless it was a photo op. Still i think those are PMCs


the pick up is used all over and are real good in certain roles, not just SF stuff even. How ever if you planing on launching a assault IFV are your best option and if you driving through a battlefield field to the front line a APC is best. Still i have read of a few cases where SA forces in Angola inflicted massive losses with land rovers. For most countries the pick up does the job of the hummer in the US, SUVs like the G wagon are all so common.

Mike..ZA:
Two helicopters probably Mi-24/35 used to attack BH plus plus some de-commissioned planes. Now BH is blending into society? I thought you said they were driven into remote areas further north. An enemy that has armoured personnel carriers and able to use them in well coordinated attacks is dying? They even captured some vehicles. Here's question: WHERE WERE YOUR AIR FORCE'S F-7 AND ALPHA JETS DURING THIS ATTACK THAT LASTED FOR MORE THAN 3 HOURS?. You asked us the same question regarding the bangui battle.

And CAR is thousands of KM away

Underground: Hey Zaandrew, how were you able to post so many links and avoid being banned by the Spambot?

Don't know. Spambot here is a bit crazy.

drag_on: Your budget is so constrained such that it cannot utilise Alpha jets against BH. Who do you think we are SAAF.? we are buying more air assets while you guys can't get off the ground.
You used them before with the intention of intimidating them with massive fire. We don't want to intimidate them, if they want to stand and die fine.
The challenge that you had was that your pilots were so inexperienced that instead they bombed non-combat citizens. Go and ask the dead AQIM fighters in Mali how good our pilots are. Our Alpha are constantly flying while you guys fly your jets on PS3

"The SAAF’s budgets are so strained that its pilots struggle to clock the flying hours needed to keep their ratings current. There are only six pilots qualified to fly the Gripens and they clock barely a tenth of the 250 annual hours each, which European militaries consider the minimum necessary"

NAFs budget is far lower than SAAFs
We all so have a number of aqustion projects going on.


The dead AQIM said they they did not even no nigeria was there. They where to busy failing to dodge french, chandian and tourque builtes.


I have post sources and explianed it a uncounted number of time.

SA has 18 qulfied gripen pilots and 54 hawk piolts(the 18 gripen pilots are in that list) this understanderbill since the last batch of gripen arrived last year and it takes 3 years to get you basic wings on the pitluss then you neen to qulfie on the hawk then finaly the gripen.

2sq has 6 qulfied pilots at any time from that 18. The others are on course, leave or seconded to other units.

2sq pilots are seconed has instructores and to test flights. They for example fly the cheeha's used by denel. There s all so a gripen and hawk used in test flights

This years number is not kowen but last year the grpinse reavhed 850 hours.


The A109 was the problem due to 2 groundings pending invesgastions. They only just started flying again.

souldust: a better way to determine a people's standard of living is to ask how much money they have at hand. Do they have debt? If yes, then subtract the debt from what they have at hand. Compare what is left to the COST OF LIVING in their locality. Thats what shows how well a people are living.

SAs cost of living is far higher than that of Nigeria. This is why despite your higher GDp per capita, the average SAn isnt living any different from the Average Nigerian. This is the reason why a sizable percentage of SAns live worse than ANYONE in Nigeria, FULL STOP!!!!

I will post links to my last claim and show that you cannot refute it.

There are over 100million nigerians in poverty or 75%. So can the averiage nigerian afford a flat screen tv? The bulk of nigerians are poor.


This is not opion it is fact.

agaugust: [size=16pt]Nigerian NNS ARADU's missile superiority over South African VALOUR FRIGATE[/size]



you always write comments and make claims without any source, yet you tell those who have sources to go do research.

nigerian navy NNS ARADU has Aspide anti-aircraft beyond visual range missiles , and the source below says Aspide BVR of the '80s generation has range of 75km.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm

show us source to prove your own claim that nigerian aspide is 45km range, dont tell us stories from your son's story book, show us your source !

sure you are angry that south africa's modern valour warship has anti-aircraft missiles with range of only 15km, thus NNS ARADU has a superior air defence 5 times better than your shiny painted soweto valour frigate. go and d.ie

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I feel no need to put them out since you will ignore them. All I will do is correct your mistakes. Those who bielve your bull will all ways bielve it. Fact is you jumped at that 75km with out checking the facts. The realty is there is no real diffrence between the sam on your meeko360 than the old american sea sparrow that only has a 19km range.

75 km is the latests model a version not used by nigeria and is a air to air version. If you had bother to check your facts you would have knowen this


Here is somthing for you to ponder. Utaly repleces there aspir sams with the aster 15 and 30. The aster 15 has a 30km range.

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rooikat 76

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olifant MK1A


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rattel rooikat

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rattel

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rattel AT and G6

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rattel AT

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standing by
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bit of every thing

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G6

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rooikat 76 olifant mk1a

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olfant MK1a and MK2


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infantry acstion

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rooikat 76 and olfant MK1a MK2

agaugust: [size=16pt]Why Rooivalk Helicopter Is Business Failure For South Africa[/size]


"This is a key reason in Denel’s failure to export the aircraft. No one will buy a warplane whose avionics system is based on 20-year-old computers. Then there is the cost of the aircraft – the direct result of both attempting to make it a world beater and depriving it of eco-nomies of scale by cutting the order to only 12. “The unit cost of the Rooivalk is about $40- million,” says Heitman. This makes it as expensive as the Boeing Apache and the Eurocopter Tiger, the latest models of which have state-of-the-art avionics, and much more expensive than the smaller AgustaWestland Mangusta/Mongoose, and the Russian Mi-24/35 family.

Export possibilities have been further reduced by foreign worries about the long-term viability of Denel: will the company still be around in 20 years to continue to support the Rooivalk, if they should buy it? And then there is the fact that the Rooivalk is very heavily dependent on French technology"


http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/what-went-wrong-with-the-rooivalk-2007-06-08-1

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Did you read where I menstion the rooivalk enterd serves only a few years ago. The F1 block rooivalk has modern computores and sytems. The atrical was relvent 2007.

And prety much covers what I said about it's price. The only resoane the rooivalk was made was because of aparthied sancstions ment we put a lot of RnD in to the project. Not building it would have waisted all that cash.


And denel is makeing a lot of profit these days.

agaugust: it is you who never does research or tell the truth.

there are many advantages Mi-35 Hind has over Rooivalk. Hind has more speed and also 3 times more weapons options and a 7 times better air to air combat capacity, Rooivalk is built to carry a 6km range air to air missile, while the superior Mi-24 is built to carry a 40km beyond visual range air to air missile, so with its long range 48km radar and long range 40km air to air missile the Mi-24 hind will shoot down the whole south african air force including the Gripen jets.

do research and tell the truth. only a fool will choose a Rooivalk over a Hind for his air force.... a fool like south african airforce

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The hind is far less manvrbil than a dedcated attack chopper, the hind does have a lot more wepaons that can be fited to it. It has been arround for donkey years. Yet 7 times better air to air ableity? The hind IR signuter is far larger than the rooivalk.


Does the hind have a radar to fire a 40km AAM? No

You again are to much ego and zero brain.

agaugust: no, the Aspide has range of 75km

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm

I know NNS Aradu carries 24 Aspides, but some issues have been coming up between nigerian navy and nigerian air force over the control of missiles and helicopters.

nigerian Exocet anti-ship missiles are said to be launched by both nigerian warships and specially configured nigerian air force puma helicopters.

we dont know who controls the Exocet missiles. the air force wants to now control the navy Augusta helicopters from 2013 and the navy refused to transfer them.

anyway, 24 Aspide anti-aircraft missiles with range 75km on NNS Aradu having air search/tracking radar range of 180km makes the warship still one of the most powerful and d.eadly blue water warships in africa today.

no wonder south african navy SAS Drakensberg ran away back home to south africa before NNS Aradu showed face with Otomat long range anti-ship missiles and 127mm sized 'messenger of death' main guns during the ivory coast civil war when nigerian and south africa supported opposite combatant sides

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You do know there are many versions of the aspid and many models. Nigeria uses the very first navel version. In witch the air to air version has a 45km range. The navel version could be less since the USN only got 19km when turning the AIM7 in to a sea sparrow.


You really need to increase your reshearch ablieties.

agaugust: .
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mystery : nigeria's beyond visual range anti-aircraft missiles with range about 75km...

....imported from europe into service since 1983[/size]


http://portal.sipri.org/publications/pages/transfer/trade-register


who is in control of these 35 k.iller missiles nobody has ever talked about their long range ? nigerian navy or nigerian air force, or both ?

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/spada/images/3_air_defence.jpg
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you mean the Aspide, it has a range of 45km, and is on the meeko 360 26 are carried, not really a issue.