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Henry120: If all these your dreamy claims are correct, why are there only 11 rooivalk helicopters in service and south-africa it's only user. Not even a single african country outside SA operates them, it is quite shameful.

The turks have a new attack helicopter, azerbaijan and pakistan have already placed orders for them. What then is the problem of SA's rooivalk? Please don't tell me america bullsh*t happened to them.



"The reason why your onyx and rooivalk helicopters are a no go is because they are inefficient, low quality and have sub-standard avionics/ systems on board".

The above is what a nigerian intelligence officer said to me. Honestly, I could not agree less.

SA offered it to turkey, but they went for the Mangusta for political reasons, china tried to buy one, has in one to then go and copy it noitce WZ10 looks a lot like the rooivalk. It was all so i think offered to UK who all ready had the apachy

Fact is that SA had little chance of exporting the rooivalk, it was in production for a short time, and only entered serves a few years ago. And it cost is just bad. those that may want it can not afford it and those that can afford it either make there own choppers or already have close ties to nations that build them. It is how ever not a complete lose since the Super hind is basically rooivalk systems in a hind.

the oryx is a hybrid puma/super puma.



has for our avionics and systems, they in use on many other helicopters and choppers.


Do you guys even bother to look in to facts before you post?

rka1: There is absolutely no way that the Rooivalk is equal to the Apache attack helicopter. The only thing they share in common is being assault helicopters. The avionics suite doesn't even come close and the Rooivalk hasn't even got anything like the Longbow Radar. There are even further developments of the Apache Block E, which you can only dream about.

It doesn't even compare to the European Tigre.

not all appaches have long bow radars, and the tiger carries half the load of the rooivalk. The only think the appachy has on the rooivalk is the longbow, nothing els.

DictatorZAR: Did you read ofshore patrol vessel not suitable for deep water naval engagements its a OPV do come now and claim again with your lies its a frigate

leave him he has a small brain and big ego.

Z3tdee: Wow, that is quite low, 227 out of 80 000.

it is low, most of them for assault or drug postion it seems, that what i see, bar fights and guys who like to do drugs.

agaugust: since your comment confesses that the information contained therein is outdated, I don't have much to say.

The most current ranking of South African military power was measured out to them by Seleka teenage/kid rebels of Central African Republic, thus updating South African Army as the most cowardly and fastest retreating army in Africa as at today November 22nd 2013.

Thanks.

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i have gotten really tired of explaining all of this to you so i will not bother, i have accepted that you are a complete slowpoke with zero understanding of what you speak.

I don't think there has been any drone attacks in iran and pakstan goverment knows and accepts the drone stikes

Any case the nigerian armend forces and BH all ready make civlian killings a common thing. A few drones will just be a drop in the ocean.

agaugust: Gripen jet is made in Sweden noted, but not many nations make 4.5 or 5gen fighters
Hawk jet is made in Britain[b]yes[/b]
Rooivalk helicopter engine is made in France[b]we have tried to explian this to you but your brain is to small[/b]
Super Lynx helicopter is made in Britain/Italy[b]yes[/b]
Hercules C-130 aircraft is made in U.S.A[b]yes[/b]
Augusta A109 helicopter is a product of Italy[b]yes but we do bulid them, even those flying in NAF[/b]
Dakota aircraft is made in Britain/U.S.A[b]the turbo dak is worlds apart from the old Dakota[/b]
Olifant tank is the Centurion tank made in Britain[b]must i post a pic to show just how difrent they are[/b]
Badger Armoured vehicle is a product of Finland[b]the chassis is from Finland, engine from Sweden but every thing els is local and it is being built in SA[/b]
Valour frigate warships are made in Germany[b]many critical systems are home grown[/b]
Type 209 Submarines are made in Germany[b]many critical systems are home grown[/b]

You seem to have zero under standing on this subject if you did you would know the Ratel uses a french turret and gun, the rooikat uses a modified navel gun from Italy, the G5 was invented by a Canadian, the M5 120mm mortar is Israel, the Casspir/samil and many of our trucks and APCs are based on a German UNIMOG, The list can go on and on. Only a fool will try to reinvent the wheel.

This is why America has not used a American tank gun since before the M60 using either brit or German guns, uses a Belgium LMG, Israeli rocket launchers, A APC and IFV based on a swize APCs chassie, use Swedish shells, the list goes on. But just because the M1 uses a non amercan gun does not mean it is not American. We have tried to explain this before but your brain makes a grain of dirt look big

talking to you is like talking to a 8 year old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us5WzkYoAYs

Captured M23 weapons

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]revelation : south african army G6 artillery shells range in service is only 38km maximum [/size]

DATA :

GV6 : Gun-Howitzer, Medium, Self-propelled; 155mm

Performance Data

Overall Length - 10,4m
Overall Width Normal - 3,5m

Capabilities
Fuel - Approx 700L
Water - 150L

General Data

Crew - 6
Max Range on Road 700km @ 70km/h
Max Range of Road 350km @ 35km/h

Firing Range - Boat Tail Projectile - 29 992m
Firing Range - Base Bleed Projectile - 38 371m

38,371 m = 38 km approximately

SOURCE :

south african army official website

http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/artillery/GV6_115mm_MK1_Gun_Howitzer_Propelled.htm


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I gave you a source you welcome to look it up.

agaugust: any source that all people cannot access on this forum is considered a 419 SCAM, since only you know about this fake book of 100km range G6 artillery, then you are a 419 SCAMMER @andrewza.

all DENEL G6 artillery ranges ever tested are published freely on internet to attract buying customers from all over the world.

DENEL does not market its products inside one secret book of the secret cults

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Not every thing is on the internet, you do know that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTncNlm_N90

agaugust: stop wasting our time with this crap about "do you work in defense industry ?"

i am a civilian, but i will prove any military man to be wrong if he tries to deceive innocent people on this forum.

i said show us a source, reliable source that south african army has the 67km or 73km range artillery shell in service , not the ones in DENEL test laboratory or sales shop where no customer has ever purchased one.

show us source to proof or else you shut up !

we all remember your lies earlier this year that G6 artillery gun has been tested to shell range 100km and you could not give us any single source to prove that for the past 9 months

south african army G6 artillery has maximum range shells of 40km only, FACT !!!

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I gave you a source a books name, the book(first in last out) covers SA arty from the 1970s to 1989.

Again do you have proof no rounds have been purchased?

Again 50km was reached in the 1980s all ready.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSI8LeMVVFg

agaugust: show us the weblink source where army guide website gave those numbers of south african army MBTs and G6s.

show us that weblink and lets all check it out.

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Go to armyguide. Clike countries then south africa. It is not that hard. Or do you need me to change your dirty diaper to.

agaugust: in real air combat, when F-7 jet of nigeria and Gripen jet of south africa meet each other, because of their limitations to only visual range weapons availability, it takes only about 20 seconds for the two jets to be hit by the missiles each pilot will fire. its a close range battle and both pilots will go to their grave that same day.

south africa does NOT have any seeker head or component part of PL-9C missile, you may buy another comparable type of missile from a different country in europe or israel, PL-9C is a chinese missile and south africa has NO access to its software codes or component parts.

LG can copy samsung in one product, it does not mean the two products are technically 100% the same thying. use your coconut head once in a while.

you live in dreamland

show me 3 sources in war history where in the thousands of air to air dogfight, missile was shooting down missile, except the two opposing missiles collide by accident...fool

south africa has NO air force superiority over nigeria. FACT PROVED INTELLIGENTLY ON THIS FORUM.

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Problem is the gripen will see the J7 long before it is seen, be able to move in to a blind spot, and fire far more advance AAMs. The self defence sytems of the gripen are far more advance. In order for a PL9 to fire out to 20km it needs the fighter to lock on with it's radar, then it fires the missiel and guids it till it's seeker head is in range. All of the above can be affect by EW.

PL9 is the excoport version of the PL8 witch is a copy of the python 3. The seeker head on the PL9 is the same has the one on the python3. Again I ask are you sure you work in the defence industry.


Show me when a aircradt carrying a 5gen AAM carrying fighter has been shot at by another AAM. This is a new abliety.

agaugust: south african G6 artillery has NO shell in service with range more than that 40km base bleed.

on secret of such in south africa, umkhonto entered service and the whole world hears the noice in public everyday, just google it.

there is NOT 67km or 71km shell in south african army, NOTHING about your G6 shells is classified because DENEL is desperate to get world market.

live with this new fact, this forum has changed to be more realistic than just the earlier pages of copy and paste of weapons photos.

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Again where is your proof on that cliam. Since we where firing Vlap during the 1980s all ready

Despret? Denel sells shells to a lot of countries including western nastions like germany.


You sure you work in the defence industry?

agaugust: the germans, swedish, and british are just ripping off south africa with all those expensive to buy and painfully expensive to maintain weapons they sell to your military and its hard for you to keep the weapons in service, due to lack of cash for regular maintenance.

chinese and indian weapons are cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, and tested for combat effectiveness in pre-service trials.

reason nigeria abandoned 18 jaguar jets almost brand new, the british are just cheats and money eaters.

nigeria has learnt her lessons.

generally in nigeria, raw materials are far cheaper than you get the same thing in the rest of the world.

let europe continue to suck and drain south african economy with over-priced weapons and spare parts.

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Sorry we have been makeing our own spare parts for years now. Even for forghin products. So you entire premis is wrong.

agaugust:
there is very good proof from THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES that nigeria has Bofors F-77 B05 L52, i repeated it 5 times in 5 days....please shut up.

SOURCES :

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2820.html

http://beegeagle./2010/05/20/nigerian-army-inventory-as-of-2009/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/army.htm


THREE DIFFERENT INDEPENDENT SOURCES CANNOT BE WRONG, they have worldwide military information much more than you do and a well established information gathering research machinery.....you are the fool @amdrewza !

it pains you i know, that as this thread stays longer, nigerian military's hidden power becomes exposed while south african military's hidden weaknesses become more and more exposed.

you have no choice than to live with this fact. sorry o !

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Beageel is a blog. Not a source.

Both of the other 2 have so many misstakes in them I don't consider them trust worthy sourses.

6000 to to 60? How the hell did they pull that off. Either you were being riped off big time or somthing is wrong. I mean that a big difrence.

agaugust: only a fool of a navy chef/cook thinks Gripen jet 25km range missile is threat to F-7 jet 22km missile of faster speed and 90% k.ill probability.

both pilots of both jets will die same day. fool !

That 90% is a hit probliet. And does not take consider defensive acstion such has flares, ECM, manvring extra.

Thr ISR-T was built to be able to shoot down other AAMs

SA has the seeker heads of the PLC9. (The fact that you do not fully grasp the importance of this is another resone I doubt you work in the defence industry)

The gripens EW suit, Radar, ergniamics, extra all out class the F7

Again only a fool will think a F7 stands a chance.

agaugust: .
since we both have no proofs, then this forum hereby downgrades both nigerian Bofors F-77 and south african G6 artillery guns to range 40km for base bleed shells only.

50/50 no cheating, equation balanced

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There is no proof nigeria has B05s, SA was reaching 50km in the 80s all ready(proof is the book first in last out) and there is no resoane SANDF does not have M9703A1 since they mase by denel with RnD money from the army budget.

agaugust: also, do you have proof 60km shells for Bofors F-77 artillery are not in service or being developed by inida/nigeria ? if not, shut up

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Mm yes I do. India has stated they only going to get around 40km range out of them. Nigeria does not have the means to produce them and it is not conformed nigeria even has B05s. All long rang shots with the FH77 B05 have been done with excalber and bounus rounds.

So unless you can show proof to the contray please shut up.

agaugust: do you have proof the 73km or 67km shells for G6 artillery are south african army service ? if not, shut up

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Did you not say that you can not find infomastion of this type out. That is is not made public. Confirm that is what you said.


Denel is state owened. Any thing in it's stores are goverment owened. Denel all so uses milltary testing grounds, personal and equpment to test stuff.

Why do you think SA does not have the long range shells made by denel?

agaugust: ordinary nigerian Alpha jets will eat all soweto drones for breakfast. F-7 jet will face any Gripen jet. fool

nigeria has a very modern computerized Bofors F-77 artillery to match anything from south african G6 artillery.

south africa has NO 67km range shell for G6 artillery, no proof, no source, so no one accepts that you have it in your army. that V-LAP long range shell is only inside DENEL test laboratory and workshop store room hoping to find a buyer without any luck yet

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drones are cheap. and only a fool would tjink a j7 stands a chance against a gripen but then you are a fool


there is no confimastion they in nigerian serves.

do you have proof they not in sa army serves? if not shut up

agaugust: the source from CANADA says this :

"The WS-35 155mm guided round, ammunition designed by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation for People's Liberation Army ground artillery, is estimated to have an attack range of 100km, according to the Canada-based Kanwa Defense Review."

the source from china's enemy TAIWAN is the one you quoted that says the doubt it, but no proof that the douth , a typing translation language error, is true. as long as the doubting thomas cannot prove his imaginary claim of language translation error is true, then the CANADIAN source remains correct.

china has beaten most american and european weapons with range, chinese warships carry anti-ship missiles with range 300km against american/european missile ranges of 200km.

@andrewza, other countries including nigeria, have weapons with ranges beyond your imagination, you just have to live with that fact. simple !

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I qutoted infomastion from the link you posted. The 100km round is not prooven thus can not be trusted. And you still want every body to think you in the defence industry?

agaugust: countries manufacture their own ammunition and launch it on foreign made weapon platforms.

nigeria produces its own rocket pods for our imported jet fighters to launch.

india produces a 5,000km range ballistic missile, that is more difficult to make than a 60km range artillery shell , you fool

india is manufacturing its own Bofors F-77 gun without foreign help, they will easily produce a 60km shell, it does not have to be like guided or complex Excalibur type, the world is full of all kinds of artillery shells you dont know about.

even Iraq in saddams time produced its own chemical warhead artillery shell without american or european help.

artillery shell is NOT a complex thing like a missile, and much cheaper. nigerian PL-9C missile cost $1 million each, while 60km range Excalibur shell costs only $40,000 each....fool

long range 60km shell does not have to be guided by GPS, they can be simple unguided munitions. who cares about Excalibur as if its all in all ?

every source i find shows me that south african G6 73km range artillery is NOT a guided shell like Excalibur, it is simple rocket assisted increase in range, NO guidance of any type.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/


[size=16pt]india has designed and is currently manufacturing its own different types and various ranges of artillery shells for Bofors F-77 guns domestically....you this outdated fool

no need for Excalibur shells imports.

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsindia-develop-indigenous-artillery-shells[/size].

who are the foolish teachers you have in south african schools that tell you that only your country has local technology to manufacture special things ?

all of you must be fools inside that south african cage where your leaders imprison you all and brainwash you with deception about the outside world...fools

you think artillery shell is a big deal all over the world ? countries have been firing artillery shell with range 115km since world war II....fool

https://www.google.ca/search?q=8+inch+in+mm&oq=8+inch+in+m&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l2.7178j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

DENEL tested a shell to 67km range does NOT mean south african army has the shell in use.


In year 2008 the American Army tested the "Advanced Modular Gun Demonstrator" that had a range of 135 Km. we do not know if they are actually going to deploy it in service with american army up till today year 2013 since five years ago they tested it successfully.

http://www.menewsline.com/article-953-U-S-Develops-Longest-Range-Artil.aspx

south african artillery range has beed beaten completely by america and china since many years ago. FACT !

stop trying to deceive us here you soweto frauds !

anyway, we are still waiting for source from you to prove south african army purchased 67km range V-LAP artillery shells for its G6 guns.

a simple purchase will NOT be classified, after all, DENEL published that it sold Umkhonto missiles to south african navy and the navy proudly declared to the whole world that it purchased the missile and is in use now on valour frigate warships.

show us source proof of the 67km range shell in south african army service, DENEL does not give out free father christmas weapons, show us the proof that it was sold and is in service....

....otherwise this forum declares that south african army has NO 67km or 73km range artillery shell in service until proved with source . FACT !!

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Has I said. 40km with bass blees rounds. So unless you can show a indian shell with a longer range. Nothing you menstioned here shows how india or nigeria have long range 155mm. And persnaly you can keep telling your self you have a 60km round. It is funny how you beilve your own bull funny and sad. And then you want us all to belvie that you work in the defence industry.

agaugust: you are an out-dated poorly informed south african chef/cook in navy uniform

china has beaten south africa's 73km range artillery record, FACT !

SOURCE : SOURCE : http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130701000036&cid=1101

.https://www.wantchinatimes.com/newsphoto/2013-07-01/450/PLZ05-144308_copy1.jpg

This is from your source. Has in this one you linked.

is estimated to have an attack range of 100km, according to the Canada-based Kanwa Defense Review.(Note estimated)


The enormous leap purported by the new Chinese round could come down to a simple printing error, since "Chinese sales brochures often have spelling errors in their English text."(Note printing error and it offen the case in translastions)

agaugust: you need to build and host your own website for that baseless comment above, so people can read your mis-information free of charge.

nigerian Bofors F-77 L52 gun has range 60km. FACT PROVED WITH SOURCE.

shells for that range on nigerian and indian Bofors F-77, nobody knows who has it as at today.

china builds its own 100km range artillery shells, india has same capacity to built 60km range shells for Bofors. india locally upgraded her own british jaguar jets and turned them into advanced modern jet fighters.

both china and india are nigeria's main weapons suppliers.

you will NEVER know the full details of any country's artillery shells, no records anywhere on internet.

now, show us reliable source to prove that south african army has 67km or 73km artillery shells in use/service today for its G6 artillery, NOT the shells that DENEL keeps in its test laboratory or its sales shop looking for buyers around the world.

show us proof that south african army has shell to fire up to 67km.

dont tell us the information is classified, because we will reply you that nigerian army Bofors shells for range 60km is also classified information.

equation balanced. case closed.

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All those sources you talk about say it can reach 60km useing only the exalber round. All sources on thar round say there are only 4 current users. India and nigria are not among them. All sources from india say it will have a firing rang of around 40km in there serves. So again the 60km range is a thing of your dreams.


Chinas 100km round is not proven. Unlike the swedish/US 60km round and the SA 70km plus ranged rounds. India has zero experiance in making long rang arty rounds.

Again never said I would, only that the exalber is not just a round it is a complet sytem. Of witch all users are knowen. It is all so knowen that the FH77 B05 uses the exalber round to achieve 60km.


You just came out and said that the info on shells is not listed now you asking for the SANDFs list of shells? Not to menstion denel is the stas arms company. All there wepaons get test by SANDF members. There is a enter air force squdron just to test there stuff.


No the boffors 60km round info is not classfierd since all excalber round users are knowen. And nigeria is not on thay very small list.

Has I said 40km. Live with it.


And that is if you have FH77b05 in serves witch is still not proven.

http://africajournalismtheworld.com/2013/11/07/african-union-military-capability-a-step-forward/

Does the unwieldy label of the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises conceal a real determination to act?
7 November 2013

All the attention this week on the unconditional surrender of the M23 rebels in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) – including the Southern African Development Community (SADC)/International Conference on the Great Lakes Region (ICGLR) summit on the topic in Pretoria which South African President Jacob Zuma hosted on Monday night – rather overshadowed another important summit which he hosted the next night.

After the big SADC/ICGLR summit which nine heads of state attended, Tuesday’s summit on the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) was something of an anti-climax. Only four leaders were present and it also failed to attract much media attention, mainly, it seems, because the ACIRC invites such scepticism; it seems so perfectly to encapsulate the African Union’s (AU) propensity to prevaricate and procrastinate.

The AU summit in Addis Ababa in May decided to create the ACIRC because of its embarrassment at being found so badly wanting when jihadist and separatist insurgents launched their offensive to try to take over Mali. While Africa dithered and mulled over its response, the former colonial power France intervened decisively with Operation Serval, stopping the insurgents in their tracks.

The AU’s African Standby Force (ASF) should really have done the job in Mali. But at the May summit, the AU leaders said it was not going to be ready for some time, because, as then AU peace and security commissioner Ramtane Lamamra in effect explained, it was intended to be such a perfect instrument that creating it would be a long process.

So the leaders agreed on a stopgap measure, the ACIRC, which would be a voluntary mechanism of countries ready to come together quickly to tackle specific crises. And so Tuesday’s meeting was the first gathering of the volunteers at summit level. The four leaders who attended were Zuma, Chad’s President Idriss Déby, Uganda’s President Yoweri Museveni and Tanzania’s President Jakaya Kikwete.

Niger, Ghana, Ethiopia, Angola, Algeria and Sudan were represented at a lower level. Zuma was explicit in his opening remarks about the genesis of the ACIRC as a mechanism Africa felt it needed to ensure ‘African solutions for African problems’ – swiftly and independently of external powers. He suggested that this mechanism should be up and running by the end of the year.

But in a statement afterwards the leaders said they had decided to establish a Working Group of all Chiefs of Defence Staff of volunteering countries. The leaders had agreed on guidelines to help the defence chiefs to draft practical proposals for setting up the ACIRC. The chiefs would report back to the leaders of volunteering countries who would in turn report to the next AU summit in January 2014.

None of which sounds very ‘immediate’.

Nonetheless official sources insist there is a real determination by the core group of volunteers to create a rapid response force relatively rapidly. The volunteers were asked to pledge forces at Tuesday’s meeting. Déby, Museveni and Kikwete each pledged a reinforced battalion, while South Africa pledged a motorized battalion, sources said. South Africa and Tanzania are already quite committed with a battalion each in the Force Intervention Brigade (FIB) which contributed decisively to the DRC army’s victory over the M23. And Uganda’s military is even more deeply committed through its major contribution to the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) force in Somalia.

Nevertheless the sense of Tuesday’s meeting was that these new pledges would be over and above existing operations, if necessary. The commitment of the other volunteers at the meeting was less, as symbolised by their lower-level representation. They pledged logistics, training and equipment for the envisaged force, or said they would have to consult further with their governments before committing themselves.

Déby’s interest is evidently in the new rapid response force intervening in Chad’s neighbour, the Central African Republic (CAR), which remains in chaos after the ousting of President François Bozizé by Seleka rebels in March this year. One can imagine, although he may not have said so, that that is a mission Zuma could support. After the South African National Defence Force’s (SANDF) small force in CAR was overrun by Seleka on its way to the capital Bangui in March, Zuma let it be known that he would like the SANDF to return in greater force to restore order (and, some might think, settle the score with Seleka).

The Economic Community of Central African States (ECCAS) and AU have theoretically agreed on a substantial reinforcement of the peacekeeping force that ECCAS now has in CAR but it so far just exists on paper and is likely to remain there.

What Museveni and Kikwete’s ideas for using the rapid response force might be is not clear. Museveni, especially, has always had ambitions beyond what for him are evidently the rather narrow confines of Uganda. The absence of Nigeria from Tuesday’s summit was remarked upon. Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan had earlier expressed enthusiastic support for the ACIRC but later tried to block it. Some observers believe he is too pre-occupied with fighting the Boko Haram Islamist militants in northern Nigeria to be able to lend forces to anyone else – but is too proud to admit it.

Ethiopia’s position also seems ambivalent. Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn was presumably expected at the summit at some point since Zuma welcomed him in the written version of his opening remarks. Instead foreign minister Tedros Ghebreyesus represented Ethiopia at Tuesday’s meeting. Desalegn had enthusiastically – and publicly – offered Ethiopia’s support for the ACIRC at the May AU summit. But others in his government who are politically influential evidently do not share Desalegn’s enthusiasm for getting involved in anything that does not directly serve Ethiopia’s interests.

One might legitimately ask why the AU did not just accelerate the establishment of the ASF rather than creating this new bureaucracy. The trouble with the ASF, officials reply, is that all AU members are supposed to be involved and that is really why it is taking so long to stand up.

And so the ACIRC is intended to be, not a whole new bureaucracy, but merely a way to secure AU legitimacy for what will essentially be coalitions of the willing, volunteers ready to put boots on the ground in a hurry in any given crisis. We shall see.

Note the range is only 40km not 60km. This will not change no matter how hard you want it to change.

agaugust: no single website in this world can list all nigerian weapons 100% complete.

you have to pick bits and pieces from many different sources, but beegeagle is more accurate than most foreign websites because he has high level connections to nigerian military senior officers who give him information because he is recognized and accepted in nigerian defence industry as a very competent military expert/analyst.

army recognition website you talk about is not almighty, it misses out too many nigerian weapons on its list, it missed our

T-72 tanks

AMX-30 tanks

BTR-60 APC

Panhard ARV

Alvis APC

APR-40 MRLS

Bofors 40mm Anti-aircraft guns

......the list is long, should i stop ?

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now back to the topic, both Beegeagle and Army guide websites confirm that nigerian army has 48 units of the makossa dancing deadly Bofors F-77 B05 L52 advanced world class ultra-sophisticated and computerized artillery guns with 60km range...FACT !! SWALLOW IT OR GO AND DIE !! [/size]



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I never said it was a good website for a nastions orbit, it does give nice detailed techchail info of wepaons Though.

I was only pointing out that in accepting armyguids info of FH77 B05 in nigeri's serves you will have to accept that SA has 86 G6s, 524MBTs and host of other stuff not listed any where els.


Persnaly I only trust janes and ISS. Both are large companys that employ resherchers. Niether army guid or reconstion com close to those 2 companies. There is a reseane you have to pay for certain ISS and janes products.