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NaijaPikinGidi: To the ignorant and delusional AndrewZA and so called FighterPilot the Gulma UAV video must have rudely knocked your eyes off socket ... going by your lame comments above. The story of our military strength, capabilities, and success is diverse ... a military operations and armament model that forever beats your imagination! Nigeria runs an indigenous, formal, informal, global, local, multidimensional and cost effective military capacity building model. Don't bother about our ways ... the more you try to measure us by established norms, the bigger your headache and heartburns!

Cool runnings!

Piza companys are building drones these days. It is not somthing to go wow over most of the tech is comecail of the shelf these days.

Henry120: You pulled out because you were roundly defeated. Seleka rebels had enough spoils to cruise around in ( pick-up trucks, geckos, R-5's and enough ammo). A bunch of farmers dealt with your special forces........... Wow!!!!

Defeated? I can post sources of there mission objects long before the fight. It was the protecstion of the training team and the base. Not one of the training team was even injuerd and the base was protected.

The vechiels where abdoned in a urban fire fight, they offer zero protecstion to fire. A number of SA solders where killed so it stands to resoane that seleka would have some R4s. Niether one is a indecstion of a deafet since we left with all the men we enterd with and the bulck of the equiment.

How do you know they have enough ammo.

Really farmers? That was disproven along time ago. Most where harden ex milltary rebels and mercs from sudan and chad.

agaugust: as of now the south african Badger IFV is a dream, i will be impressed when it is operational in year 2015

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsdenel-first-sandfs-badger-2015

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There is a producstion order placed. Does this dron have a producstion order?

Just like to point a few things out here.
1 nigeria helping the anti aparthied movement was probaly pay back for SA helping bifar. SA sent wepaons, ammo, medical supplies and fuel. There where even south african speciol forces(we actually formed our speciol forces just to send a training team to bifar techncaly they where not yet speciol forces even since they left before forming it) in bifar to train them on these wepaons. This AID carrired on right up and till bifar lost(SA knew they had no hope in winning but hellped in any case) the SA solders left while the runway was being shelled. So it make sense nigeria would hold a grudge

2 the support given by nigeria was very littel. The mony provided was a drop in the ocoen compared to what the USSR gave and no nigerian solders died fighting south africa unlike Cuba and USSR who lost thousands. The USSR spent more money fighting SA than fighting afghanstan.

3 aparthied ended only once western goverments(america, europe, extra) put pressure. If they did not put pressure aparthied would still be strong and while right now.

4 nambia presdiant spoke because of 2 resoans 1 he chairs SADC and 2 SWAPO was a strong ally of the ANC. Raul castro spoke because mandela and fiddel castro where close freinds if gaddafie was alive he would have been allowed to speak. America spoke because they america and still the only supper power then brazil, china and india are parts of brics.

agaugust: nice job there bros.

...south africans believe everything nigeria is building for our military is just the ones they hear publicly.

secretive nigerian military.

Epe rocket/missile project will spring a surprise next year.

as i always said, a country that guides a drone in the air has capacity to guide a missile too. same basic scientific principles.


GULMA DRONE/UAV DATA :


Weight 40 kg

Flight altitude of 10,000 feet

Cruise range of 923 kilometer at a speed of 86.4 km/hr

Role is tactical cum strategic UAV single payload

Operational deployment is first quarter 2014.



Badeh said with the establishment of NAF Optimising Local Engineering (OLE) team in 2012 after the dissolution of the Presidential committee on maritime safety and security, to among other things “spearhead the development of indigenous aircraft” with specific instructions to produce an operational UAV. The intention was to match “the growing versatility of UAV as a prime tool for enhancing success in virtually all military and security operations”.

Badeh said the OLE team has trained 15 Nigerian UAV pilots saving Nigeria huge cost as quoted by the foreign vendors, to which he stated that Nigeria can make huge savings “if we look inwards and rely on our capacities and capabilities as a nation”.

He called on the Federal Government to transform NAF OLE from a mere innovative research outfit into a viable aircraft production centre, as well as increase funding to develop human capacity and infrastructure to sustain the tempo and facilitate the possibility of mass-producing the drones.

http://www.theguardianmobile.com/readNewsItem1.php?nid=20568


https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/NAF%201_0.jpg?1387306044

Who so secruit civlians with no secuirty clearance know about it.

While here is some hard facts, your budget is not secreiet. Your RnD budget is a joke. Yes you building mock ups and proto typs. Congrats once it is operastional I will be impressed. Has of now it still a dream.

There is no need for me to respond to you, you exposed your self has a fake with zero knowledge on the subject matter. You should quite while you still have some respect among your comrades.

Augustine Again: simple matter, diesel fuel i said instead of electric fuel, and of course it is a diesel-electric powered submarine. so how important is that ?

it does not change the fact i posted with source that your submarine has only 750km or 106 hours endurance fully submerged underwater.

you never told us that truth on this forum for over 2 years, i am the one who exposed it.

if it hurts you that i exposed it, drive your car and plunge into river zambezi

...but i am a civilian anyway, and you are a serving soldier that lies your army k.illed 1,000 seleka rebels in a war zone your army ran away from and never waited to count how many seleka rebels died on the battle field

how about your own claim that G6 artillery has 100km range ?

how about your post that said RGP rocket cannot break down a wall in your SANDF base in C.A.R ?

how about your many lies that south africa has a functioning satellite as at june this year ?

your ordinary jokes wont save you from my hands o ! navy cook/chef

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Very important since the sub does not need to leave, it can just snorkal and recharge at night.

The turm fully sumberged is critcal, since it can snorkol to recharge the battry.

So you admit you a civlian now with no ties to the defense industry. Can you proof I am liying. No one doubts how casulties not seleka, france, red cross, un, chad no one only a simply civlian with no experiance. You want to know why so many died. I can shoot you in te arm with no medcal care infecstion will kill you. We have all ready explian the diffrence between rout, retreat and withdrawl we withdrew.

And I still do.


When did I say that.

Never said we had a satligh I said we had access to uptodate satlit pictuers and posted saide pictuers has proofe and a artical where they where used in a miltary role.

Augustine Again: i corrected is, it was a slip in choice of words.

you need a military genius to dispute my almost 4,000 posts from page 12 to page 899 of this forum, jokes wont do it for you man !

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"the total technical limit of south african navy Type 209 submarines fully submerged is 750km range at 7km/hr speed which equals about 100 hours only endurance under water fully submerged, but only half that can be used to stay inside enemy territory for 50 hours only, the submarine needs the remaining 50 hours to sail out of enemy territory or else it will sink there when diesel runs out !

you south africans dont know how youe submarines work and all its major weaknesses and limitations."

This here implies you had great working knowldge of a submarine yet at the same time showed you have no clue how it works. How can we trust a man who claims a lot of knowldge but is clueless.

Augustine Again: almost 3rd rank, but Ethiopia vs Algeria and Ethiopia vs Nigeria will be a hard fight.

Ethiopia vs South Africa, the inexperienced and cowardly current South African military will surrender in less than one month



[size=16pt]Top Ten Military Powers Of Africa Ranked In Order Of Overall Strength[/size]


(1) EGYPT

(2) NIGERIA

(3) ALGERIA

(4) ETHIOPIA

(5) SUDAN / SOUTH AFRICA / MOROCCO / UGANDA

(6) ERITREA / ANGOLA
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Remember this comes from a guy who thought a sub runs on her diesle engien under water. So has zero credbielty.

Augustine Again: you talk about real life war as if it is a ninja video game your son is playing at home. i have made my points, i wont repeat my posts.

case closed

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I don't need you to repeat your post. The very fact you thought a submarine used a deossiel engien while submerged ruins every thing you say.

Augustine Again: you want to tell me Gripen jet heat seeking missiles will not score h.it on a nigerian Super Tucano combat aircraft that has no jet engines and no heat emissions ?

you dont know how sensitive heat seeker heads really are dude

chaf and flares from valour frigate on nigerian Alpha jets and F-7 jets attacking the warships from behind ?

the valour warships CIWS defense gun at the back will end up shooting down your own defensive flares and chaff, go ask the americans what Phalanx CIWS defense gun did in combat with Iraq, they shot down their own flares/chaff defenses of USS Missouri warship that launched the very same flare/chaff in self defence against Iraq's incoming missile, until the British Warship HMS Gloucester helped the americans to stop Iraq's silkworm cruise missile

It would be hard to hit. But 1 you don't have them, wanting is not the same has having. 2 the eshaust is not nearly has cooled and 3 guns.

You don't know how cool the valours ir signuter is.

Yes flares and chaff don't care what dirrecstion the attack comes from.

You attacking from behind, the guns fire behind the flares and chaff fire up and to the sides to draw the attack of. Nieth will fire in the same diricstiont. Any case the Jarrett fierd on the Missouri not Missouri firing on her own decoys. It is speculated that the jarret target the chafe and fire on it but this is disputed.

Augustine Again: good you admitted Gripen 12km above F-7 jet will score h.it

now its not about the height of the valour , the ship is not 1km tall, but i made you admit that a jet can fire air to air missiles from almost a vertical position at 12km above a target and score h.it as if it was firing an air to ground missile. i proved that, and you admit it. thanks.

the exhaust heat from the valour is NOT zero level, no engine in this world will burn fuel and not release heat/smoke, it is the scientific law of fuel powered combustion engines. heat seeker heads of AAM missiles just need a little attraction of thermal emissions and they follow it tightly.

again i said the F-7 jet can guide the missile optically, missiles go in straight line if not distracted by anything.

go back to my full post, the aim of the F-7 PL9C is not to hit the valour but in 5 seconds the valour is forced to defend against many deadly high speed missiles that are even faster than umkhonto, by firing many umkhonto SAMs to stop it.

chaff and flare deception wont be used in a threat situation when a full squadron of fast missile and rocket armed jets are just 30 seconds flight time distance from the head of a warship and rapidly firing.

since you have never seen real war before, you dont know how people panic when the angel of death is having advantage over them in battle, who really wants to die ?

your ships will be forced to fire and waste all its 16 umkhonto missiles. they dont know if it is a guided AAM missiles or unguided air to ground rockets being fired at them, chaf and flares dont deceive an unguided air to ground rocket you know ! the rockets travel in straight lines !

mounting naval blockade against nigeria is suicide for south africa. CASE CLOSED

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firing all most vertical from above the ship will mean the hots point the ir seaker head will lock on will be the ocean just behind the frigate

yes but any flare will become a prime target, if you want to know how hot the exhaust of the valour is go buy a heater.

the pl9 is a heat seeker and uses the aircrafts radar to fly close enough for said ir seeker head to lock on. there is no optical guidance mode.

why would we fire our umkhontos, the F7 would have been picked up long tim ago and optical trakers will be observing. the 11kg framintastion warhead represents littil threat to even my boat. it would just make dents in the hull of a valour.

we have had enough emgergancies and false alarms before. i dont see how a bunch of aams missing or blowing up harmlessly will be any more dangourise than some of the things mother natuer threw there way.

we will not fire any umkhonto, and if this is a operastion where we know there is enemy air craft we will carry 32 umkhontos.

Augustine Again: let me ask you one simple question.

south african Gripen jet is flying at 13km above sea level to intercept a nigerian F-7 jet flying at 1km above sea level.

the F-7 is trying to attack south african soft targets on ground, if the Gripen fires its air to air missiles, will it strike the F-7 ?

answer simple yes or no ?


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Yes now a qustion for you
Is a valour 1000m tall?

Non the less have you sean what type of warhead the PL9 uses, did you consider that the ir signuter of the valour with it's water cooled exhasuts and other ir signuter reducstion sytems will be to small for a AAM disghend to target hot jet engiens, combined with flares means a hit is highly unlikly. Next do you know where the valours exhast is and thus the most heat? Aftt around the flight deck any hit will be far from exposed sensors and sytems and will put tiny dents in to the armour. At most a fire far from any critcal sytms will be started.

Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]@Andrewza confesses to be a Navy cook/chef ![/size]







that finally proves to us you are really a navy cook/chef in south african navy, you said you were talking to nigerian quatermaster about food supplies, that is a navy quatermaster duty, food and drinks provisions

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The qutermaster is the man that mans the brow. The storeman is in charge of vitils the cheff turns vitils in to a lovely meal. On small crafts the chef does the job of a storeman.

Augustine Again: my reply as @agaugust got me banned by nairaland spambot. i notice when i talk about missiles shooting down aircraft or i use any quote or weblink that mentions blowing up an aircraft, i get banned for 24 hours.

anyway, i will wait for 24 hours and get unbanned then i will reply all these rubbish you posted here today, you must have been over-drunk with bottles of beer from mandela's funeral party, no wonder you posted rubbish

Me posted rubish. I am not the one who said a sub runs submerfed with a diessiel engien. It is nice you think we have AIP

agaugust: i hate repeating old posts, NNS Thunder is USCGC Chase ship, and it has travel range of 21,000 km without refuelling.

south africa is only 5,000 km away from lagos. NN Thunder will sail from lagos to cape town twice and return back home twice without stopping to refuel anywhere. you are just dumb and dull


Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
Range: 14,000 miles (22,000 km)
Endurance: 45 days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)

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Yes and I was physcaly there talking to the qutermaster while they where tacking on fuel and supplies.

agaugust: nigerian territorial water EEZ is only about 350km. Alpha jets combat range is about 600km, L-39 jet range is about 1,100 km. more than enough.

the total technical limit of south african navy Type 209 submarines fully submerged is 750km range at 7km/hr speed which equals about 100 hours only endurance under water fully submerged, but only half that can be used to stay inside enemy territory for 50 hours only, the submarine needs the remaining 50 hours to sail out of enemy territory or else it will sink there when diesel runs out !

you south africans dont know how youe submarines work and all its major weaknesses and limitations.

you think you have a magic weapon called a submarine, NO ! you fools

if you sail your south african submarine by snorkel for most of the journey to a place close nigeria say like 350km away from our coast, you already lost fuel for about 50 hours, and then.....

.... your submarine CANNOT stay more than 24 hours submerged inside nigerian EEZ waters or else it will run out of diesel fuel and sink by itself to perish in the sea bottom.

south african navy diesel fueled submarines CANNOT, i repeat, they CANNOT mount any naval blockade of nigerian waters. FACT proved scientifically !


only a nuclear fueled submarine of the world's big military super powers can fight against nigeria without being seen and sunk

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It can stay sumbered for days. This is not ww2.

It can ras to refuel, and the underwater range is on battrys not diessiel. That is how far it's battries will take it. Wow did you think it saied with a diessiel engien under water? There are at least 3 complet morons here. You one of them.

agaugust: dont quote what i did not say, i said F-7 jet first then Alpha jets second when its safe to use close range 7km rockets.

read people's posts well before you reply, i hate repeating posts, maybe i have to do that again now...for you fool !



topic : SATURATION ATTACK

content :

Saturation attack is a military tactic in which the attacking side hopes to gain an advantage by overwhelming the defending side's technological, physical and mental ability to respond effectively. During the Cold War and after the conventional saturation missile attack against naval and land targets was and is a much feared eventuality.

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"the weakness of Valour frigate is exposed by saturation attack, a fact which south african military experts have identified and worried about since the expensive valour frigates were purchased.

The Valour frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack

Also, after a missile has been fired, empty launch canisters have to be removed from their silos, but: "As far as can be determined, this cannot be done by the Valour-class at sea, so reloading will have to be done alongside in habour port or require a replenishment vessel, as a depot ship, in calm seas".

Heitman admitted the missiles might have difficulty intercepting supersonic assaults.

He added that no navy was able to reload its vertically launched anti-aircraft missiles at sea."

SOUTH AFRICAN SOURCE : http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html


the nigerian F-7 jets will fire their PL-9C missiles from 13km above sea level, in pa downward direction (same way a jet fighter uses its air to air missiles to shoot down on another enemy jet fighter that is far below it in combat. this is called altitude advantage SWOOP DOWN ATTACK combat tactic used for several purposes, e.g where one jet fighter is already airborne at high altitude and another enemy jet fighter just after take off from air base, with hope to climb up and challenge the high flyer, the high up jet quickly uses his height/altitude advantage to swoop down on it like an eagle on a chicken and fire air to air missiles downwards towards the ground from as high as 15 km above sea level, to knock out the enemy jet before it climbs up high).

the F-7 jet PL-9 missiles will force the Valour frigate to defend itself from many terrible 4,000 km/hr speed nigerian missiles and thus waste all the Valour figates 16 Umkhonto missiles because the F-7 jets keep firing more and more PL-9C, ATOLL and Rockets until the Valour frigate has finished using all its anti-aircraft missiles in self defence against the nigerian missiles.

however, the Valour frigates missiles only reach the nigerian missiles, the nigerian F-7 jets are safely flying at 13km above sea level beyond the altitude/ceiling range of only 10km that the south african umkhonto anti-aircraft missile can reach and end its journey there at that level.

after this, the nigerian F-7 jets and Alpha jets will all descend lower to 6km to 5km above sea level and use deadly salvo of over 100 rockets with speed 3,000 km/hr against the Valour frigates which is now become an easy target like a fat slow pig, easy to spot and target, a very big and massive warship visually captured by the computer guided gun-sight electronic targeting systems of the F-7 jet called HUDAWAC, this is the built-in weapon aiming computer, meaning Head-Up Display And Weapon Aiming Computer that is 100% accurate.

the only defence the Valour frigate has in its rear/back position is the DENEL CIWS gun but its poor range against air targets is only 4km so all the nigerian jets are safe out of its range flying 6km to 6km away behind the warship and firing hundreds of supersonic speed high e.x.plosive and fireball/incendiary air to ground attack rockets that have range of 7km, against the helpless and terrified south african warships until ALL the valour frigates of south african navy catch fire, collapase with holes punched into them and sink to the sea bottom forever.

Mandela and Zuma have no navy any more, Lagos has k.illed Johannesburg, Calabar k.illed Cape Town !

the swoop down attack maneuver at angle 180 degrees is defensive, while angle 45 degrees it is offensive.

photo/image below shows jet fighter swoop down attack, the missiles are fired at positions between number 2 and number 3, when an angle of 45 degrees is achieved, the jets air to air missile simply travels downwards and is guided by the pilots computer aided 100% accurate optical/visual sight towards any target that the jet pilot has seen in his gun/bore sight systems. this is one of the methods the F-7 jet PL-9C missiles will use to achieve the saturation attack objective.

https://i.imgur.com/IhSKX.png

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The artical was writen before the valour where oprastional. They carry 16 has standard.

Any case. You want to fire from 7000m now. You still to high. And the pl9c is a aam with no ground attack role. So your enter plan is now ruied. But we have had this descustion before or do you suffer ffrom memoury loss to.

agaugust: i thought you said i did not find any weakness in your Rooivalk helicopter gunship, so i now shocked you

it means you made foolish and fraudulent claims that Rooivalk will use some imaginary air to air missiles (which it does not have now anyway, and will likely never get it) to fight a nigerian F-7 jet when your Rooivalk helicopter has no single fire control radar and our F-7 jet has a 37km range fire control radar.

it means Rooivalk has a big problem and cannot use the Mokopa anti-tank missile 10km range from a distance of 10km since it has no radar to see targets

it means Rooivalk will depend on electro-optical aided eye-sight and fly close to about 4km away from target trying to locate, identify and verify it and then gets shot down from the sky in the process by anti-aircraft guns and missils

it means you need south african army to be inside another country's army territory to guide your foolish Mokopa missile to identified target and how will your soldiers enter nigerian army base ?

it means all these DENEL long range weapons south africans have been posting photos and boasting about from page 1 to page 900 of this forum are actually not usable in real practical war from any such long ranges that you claim.

no wonder the whole world military is not rushing to buy DENEL weapons and the company is struggling to survive with government cash gifts

your weapons 'magical abilities' are all totally fake like your schizophrenic madman interpreter in mandela's funeral

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and i still fail to see how you have menstioed a weakness.

you dont need radar to fire a ir guided wepaon.

it does not need to use radar, for one think the mokape is laser beamrider, the rooivalk optical sytems can see and target that far. or it can be guied by a seconed laser deocnatoer such has one by a SF team

4km away? that the distance the thermal cammra on the ground can pick up a human, it can pick up a tank at 10km again this is on the ground. in the air it is far better.

they can be a km away and guid it.

only they have been used at those ranges many times.

denel has made some masive profits

you really no nothing you and your freinds are a embarsment

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]modern sea warfare : ships vs submarines[/size]

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submarine and targets is an old saying popularized by submariners who think they are invincible and cannot be killed, they should go as their colleagues from the 300 sunken U-boat submarines whose final graveyard is in the bottom of the sea where mammy water is watching over them.

Otomat anti-ship missile is partially stealth as i said because skims on ocean surface at only about 6 feet above water and it is passive with no use of radar in flight until only 6 km from the target activates the on-board radar to reduce reaction time from the target, that is partial stealth, very hard to detect.

you said umkhonto anti-aircraft missile is built to target small boats ! you must be a real navy chef/cook
your over-rated anti aircraft missile has suddenly been re-named as an anti-ship missile, you think we are fools here ?

umkhonto missile is ONLY designed to fight aircraft or cruise missiles in the air, NOT anything on the sea water surface. DENEL never tested it against any sea hugging enemy weapon. click and read the words on the photo below and stop deceiving yourself man !

it says "Umkhonto missile is speciafically designed for providing defense against air attacks from aircraft and missiles", it does NOT say defense against sea attacks from anti-ship missile, or in your own small brain an Otomat anti-ship missile kissing the surface of the ocean water is an air attack ? fool

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7627/ordsamumkhontoirmissile.jpg


why did the British navy HMS Sheffield in 1982 falkaland war with all her powerful radars did not see Argentina's Exocet anti-ship missile and the jet fighter that launched it until few minutes close to the British ship and then sank the ship ? the Etendard jet and its Exocet missile were sea skimming, thats why sank the powerful British warship unseen until too late to stop them.

why did British ship HMS Sheffield not use her powerful high speed Sea Dart anti-aircraft missiles 3 times faster than the enemy's Exocet anti-ship missile to defend herself and stop Argentina's 3 times slower Exocet antiship missile that sunk the British ship ? you dont know how real combat is fought dude !

Umkhonto missile is built to defend against AIR ATTACK NOT SEA ATTACK, you south african fools !


now to submarines vs warships.


my post contained detailed analysis of speed and ranges of NNS Aradu, Type 209 Submarine, and their Torpedoes. i used basic mathematical calculations to simulate combat between both of them using all their basic technical details, then you did no calculations and comparison, you just picked your laptop and speak out your mind like a real navy cook chef that is better with tomatoes and onions than with combat weapons.

a hidden submerged south african submarine can only run at 7km/hr snail slow speed, while NNS Aradu can run at about 70 km/hr. your submarine will fire a torpedo and its position is not hidden any more, it is revealed. if ARADU fires back with her own torpedo that moves at about 45km/hr, then your submarine cannot escape ARADU's torpedo while ARADU can out-run your own Torpedo.

NNS ARADU can send its Lyxn anti-submarine helicopter to fish out and sink your submarine.

death is almost guaranteed for any submarine who's position is discovered when it tries to attack a ship.


now a submarine snorkeling by sticking out its big tube (called a snorkel) out and above water surface to get air, must be almost on sea surface due to use its very short snorkel, it becomes partly visible and exposed to danger and more easy for a ship to find and kill. see photo below...

USS Chicago attack submarine, at snorkeling submerged depth in Pacific Ocean and photographed by an unseen helicopter flying in the air.
https://www.afcea.org/signal/articles/articlefiles/1054-Pic1-RRsilent.jpg


snorkel creates waves and water wakes in along trail showing the movement path of the submarine and making it become clearly visible to the enemy ships and ship borne helicopters.

submarines fear helicopters because they have no radar to know a helicopter is flying above the ocean, a major reason why submarines need to always submerge in hostile war zone because helicopters have radars to see them on sea surface emerging or just snorkelling.

the man in the air cannot be harmed by submarines as they have no defence against ship borne helicopters.

you dont know how weak a submarine is when it faces a good navy ? let me show you....

"A submarine's effectiveness depends on its ability to remain submerged and undetected. From this position beneath the surface, a sub can search, track, and attack using the element of surprise. The element of surprise has always been the submarine's greatest asset and is still considered its most powerful weapon. When surfaced, however, submarines are quite vulnerable, since modern subs operate more slowly and have less armament than surface ships. By surfacing, submarines surrender their invisibility."


http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/teach/dive/elem.htm



nigerian navy Lynx helicopters will see a submarine snorkel tube popping out clearly above water surface level disturbing the water surface with waves and wakes in a long trail in an open sea, nigerian ATR-42 surveyor aircraft will see a snorkel from over 200km away with its NATO standard year 2013 electronic search radars, and FLIR, TV cameras etc, nigerian high resolution satellites will see a submarine snorkel due to its waves and water wakes creating a long path of disturbance on the sea water surface.

in 1982 falklands war a ship borne Lynx helicopter of nigeria's type sank a submarine that came a little near the water surface, and in that 1982 war, it was one-one draw ship vs submarine last time they met in real war in falklands Britain vs Argentina.

Sante fe submarine was hit by depth charges from ships helicopter and sank.

General Belgrano is a world war II warship of 1945 with no anti-ship missile and was sunk by a 1971 nuclear powered submarine NOT the weaker and less capable diesel submarines that south africa has today.

about 250 of u-boat submarines in world war II were sunk by warships while the submarines were fully submerged by depth charges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:U-boats_sunk_by_depth_charges

nigerian navy is upgrading our Lynx anti-submarine helicopters close to the best modern standards in the world now, you never knew that.

"Informed Nigerian sources suggest that the long-stored Lynx Mk.89 naval helicopters of the Nigerian Navy Air Arm which can be armed with torpedoes, are about now undergoing upgrades and are due for delivery sometime in March 2014."

http://beegeagle./2013/12/03/spotlight-on-the-harbin-z-9-helicopter-and-type-056-corvetteopv-matchup-ship-design-from-which-nigerias-incoming-and-enlarged-1800-ton-p18n-stealth-opvs-were-derived/

sorry my south african friends, we nigerians on nairaland are NO longer deceived by the nice photos of your shiny modern weapons, we now study and anaylyze all your weapons and we keep discovering new weaknesses and limitations, thus we match them against nigerian weapons and we have proved that nigeria does not have the most shiny painted weapons, but we are more powerful than you are in many aspects.

Otomat, Roland, ATR-42 surveyor, Bofors F-77B, BTR-3U, Cobra, Shaldag, Seastar, Spy Satellites, etc.

Learn to respect the giant of Africa so you can live long, dont fight war with a Titan, nigeria is an 'incredible Hulk'

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Again subs have come along way since ww2

Seaskiming is nothing new and does not make it stealthy. All modern SSM are seaskimming. It may not have its radar on but the launch veaseal has it's on and transmets data to the missiel.


We have given you this info how many times. Any case the umkhont can not only target seaskiming missiels but small surface contacts.


Because shefield did not have power full radar. In fact her radar where rather bad. A valour frigat ECM sytem would have dedicted the radar locks from the super entards long before they fired.

The umkhonto was built to provid total air defense vs aircraft and missiels. That includes seaskiming missiels.

That your problem. You don't under stand how a sub hunts. It is a ambusher. It waits for the target to come to it. Speed is not vital for it. And after it fiers it hides not runaway.

Statics do not back you up since many a sub has evaded a enemy.

Hence it snorks at night.

Subs can have radar. Our subs have both radar, optical search sytem and EW sytems that can be used to search for subs.

Not all subs. And any sub can carry SAMs just have MANPAD.

I used to wonder if you really did work in defence industry. I now know you do not.

Fact is NN has never trained in ASW.

agaugust: was that in a war ? you sailed submarine to Brazil for friendly visit, same way Nigeria sailed NNS Thunder alone to Australia for friendly visit.

Yes thunder had to refuel in south africa and restok stock. We sailed straight through.

agaugust: your south african army ground team will be inside nigerian army occupied positions ? we can also put our soldiers inside south african army base too. use your head dumbo

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Would not be the first time our SF and tatical intelgiance guys have done it. And what experiance in this does your SF have.

agaugust: sorry dude, you were actually crushing your own tiny balls and they are already leaking like a broken bag of pure water

i will answer your posts number by number same way you raised your foolish points.


1. Roland missile of nigeria shot down two supersonic 2,400 km/hr speed NATO Tornado jets in combat, you failed there my boy .

"Iraq is believed to have received 100 Rolands, and a Roland SAM is believed to have shot down 2 Panavia Tornado jet aircraft during Operation Desert Storm"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland-(missile)


next, you CANNOT use a slow speed Rooivalk helicopter against a Roland that shoots down the most powerful jet fighters in the world. it will foolishness and calamity for the south air force to try that with nigeria.

Rooivalk helicopter has NO RADAR dude !

your soweto helicopter fires only by sight and seeing target.

"The Rooivalk is not equipped with a fire control radar,” says Van Rooyen, unlike the AH-64D Apache and the Tiger. the Rooivalk is only fitted with an electro-optical sight system which incorporates a FLIR and a TV sensor, targets are only found by aided sight."

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20


abuja's Roland anti-aircraft missile has a radar range of 18km, we see your Rooivalk helicopter from far away 18km, now dude, that is death !

your 10km range mokopa missile is just a useless distance, Rooivalk needs to come close to Roland SAM and to find it by electro-aided eye sight and lock on it and keep on locking while it exposes itself to Roland anti-aircraft missiles. even the mighty world best Apache long bow helicopter gunship radar range for targeting is only 8km so it has to get closer than 8km to the target.

Rooivalk is even worse, it will be less than 5km to the target to find, identify, and confirm the Roland target because Rolands usually hide like other air defences under heavy camouflage nets, or behind buildings, or in the bush, see sample photo below .

Roland has 18km radar and 8 km missile....all your eleven Rooivalk helicopters will not survive 2 minutes with a our deadly Roland SAM....fool !

Roland radar range 18km vs Rooivalk zero radar and its 10km mokopa anti-tank missile. Roland sees Rooivalk 18km away, watches if ATGM missile fired to show its being seen by rooivalk, switches off radar, turns on electro optical all weather all night/day, drives off to another location by say 100m away.

Rooivalk cannot see Roland camoflagued in bush or city behind tall buildings unless Rooivalk moves to close visual range and identify the Roland like 5km then Roland miissile fires and roasts all your Rooivalk helicopters in 2 minutes.

even nigerian Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft guns with over 6km range will shoot down all south african Rooivalk helicopters with ease.


2. Umbani guided bomb of south africa has NO RADAR too dude !

Umbani too is only laser guided and needs an aircraft to help it illuminate the target on ground, so how does your Hawk jets find a Roland without getting close to it and being shot down like a mosquito facing Baygon insecticide

Hawk jet has NO RADAR to fire control support a 120km bomb, and the bomb does not even allow radar guidance, so how does it travel 120km to the exact target Roland that is hidden deep inside enemy territory of nigerian army ?

dont let the shiny paints on south african weapons fool you, they have very many limitations and weaknesses that you guys never research into.

so your laser cannot find Roland, your Paveway II and Umbani slow speed guided bombs are a waste when you face a powerful country like nigeria. go try your bombs on Burundi or Namibia


3. see mister comdey ,a CRAM (Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar) is for stopping very high speed ammunition like rockets, shells, and mortars that fly at about 3,000 km/hr high speed, NOT your snail speed slow Umbani guided bomb of speed 80 km/hr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Rocket,_Artillery,_and_Mortar

nigerian Type 90 anti-aircraft gun has muzzle velocity speed of fire about 4,000 km/hr and is designed to shoot down even cruise missile.

"The weapon was designed to engage high-speed, low-flying aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and cruise missiles."

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/antiaircraft/type90towed35mm.asp

ordinary nigerian anti-aircraft guns alone will shoot down all south african slow speed guided bombs, anytime, any day FACT !!!!

4. there is no number 4 in your comments....your leaking balls must be paining you seriously


5. where will your south african special forces be to be lighting up nigerian weapons with lasers, inside nigerian army base or what ?
okay then maybe i can say nigerian special forces too will be operating inside south african army base ? fool

6. the same death i explained for your Hawk jets, also awaits your Gripen jets, i wont waste readers time on this forum again with Roland vs Gripen simulation, your soldiers have agreed we will shoot down your nice looking jets and waste your money.

7. i answered that in number 3 above.

now that your two balls have been crushed by nigerians, how will you give your wife 'belle' ?

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Where those jets flying at super sonic speeds? Since when was the crapy torndo the most powerfull? Why is the rooivalk the scout? Recon is not part of its job discribstion.

Use the aircraft radar, or tracking the radstion of the rolands radar, or high powerd recon pods. Once target is found drop the bombs from 10km since you just hid the roland they not going any where fast. You really have no idea how presction bombs are used do you.

Only if you radar that being activly jamed can pick up the small bomb coming it's way. And even then there was no menstion of shooting down bombs.


SF team can be KM way useing powerfull optics to do the job. What experiance in this does your SF have?

It is so easy to expose your total ignorance.

agaugust: .
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weakness of South African Rooivalk helicopter gunship revealed[/size]
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over-rated DENEL Rooivalk helicopter gunship has NO RADAR ! it finds and attacks ground targets only by eye sight, aided by some equipment.

this proves that the south african made half-french helicopter is NOT the best in the world as claimed by the usually fraudulent south africans.

American Apache Long Bow with its Radar for attack and fire control remains the world's best combat helicopter.

"The Rooivalk is not equipped with a fire control radar,” says Van Rooyen, unlike the AH-64D Apache and the Tiger. the Rooivalk is only fitted with an electro-optical sight system which incorporates a FLIR and a TV sensor, targets are only found by aided sight."

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20

this means that even with a long range air to ground missile, the Rooivalk pilot needs to physically find and confirm the target on ground before depending on the electro-optical aid for firing weapons. thus, finding target by sight forces the helicopter to fly close to the target and become exposed to enemy anti-aircraft defences. this is a major weakness of the over-rated Rooivalk helicopter gunship.

my next 1 or 2 posts after this will show how a nigerian anti-aircraft defences will easily tear south africa's 11 rooivalk helicopters into pieces

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and the lack of radar is a problem how? most attack choppers do not carry them and i have stated befor it is the only thing the apachy has on the rooivalk

no it does not, why does the piloit need to find any thing. when the mokape was being test from the rooivalk the used a ground team to lase the target and the rooival fierd in a lock on after launch mode. and if a apachy had to fly arround with it's radar on it would be shouting here i am.

agaugust: hahaha ....you missed this many last month november, another weakness of a south african over-rated weapon exposed


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[size=16pt]weakness of south african navy Type 209 submarines[/size]


south african navy Type 209 submarine has only a submerged range of 740km and nigeria is 5,000km away.

Range:

11000 Nautical miles (nmi) at 10 knots, surfaced,
(20,000 km at 20 km/h)


8,000 nmi at 10 knots, snorkeling,
(15,000 km at 20 km/h)


400 nmi at 4 knots, submerged
(740 km at 7 km/h)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine


this is the weakness of south african navy submarines i said i have seen and i will post, the naval blockade if attempted will be a total disaster leading to the wiping out of south africa's expensive but not so effective navy.


south africa will not be able to torpedo NNS ARADU, she will be safe in harbour because south african submarines CANNOT reach nigerian waters 5,000km away without surfacing or snorkeling and nigerian super spy satellites and the powerful ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft master of the ocean will see your submarines coming, then NNS ARADU withdraws into safe harbour sourrounded by anti-submarine and anti-frogmen nets and mines.

the submarines need to be exposed to surface in nigerian waters to give them range, and they will be sunk by NAF Alpha jets and L-39 Albatross jets, or even Mi-35 nd Mi-171 terminator helicopter gunships, as the submarine sails in that vulnerable mode.

south african navy submarines have NO capacity to remain in nigerian waters for more than one single day (and that is if they ever reach nigerian EEZ ocean territory alive without being sunk by NAF aircraft rockets) and mount a naval blockade without running out of diesel/fuel or being sunk from the air by jets or helicopters.

south african Type 209 submarins have a serious technical weakness, they CANNOT hide submerged underwater for more than 50 hours and must be at very slow snail speed of 7 km/hr in nigerian waters for their maximum time of those 50 hours, or else they run out of fuel/diesel, and become stranded and get sunk in nigerian waters.

they CANNOT mount a naval blockade 5,000 km away from home. FACT !!!!

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What is range of those jets? Could easly sail the bulk of the journy on the surfac in a convouy. RAS then opater submerged in hostil warters.

Concidring we sailed a submarein with out a escort to south amerca I do not see how nigiera is a chalnge.

agaugust: listen up dude, i dont care what irrelevant stories you tell here, this forum has grown past the stage of deceiving us with copy and paste photos of shiny coloured south african weapons.

your navy as at today has umkhonto missile with 15km range and 10km ceiling maximum on board your valour frigates. so shut up !

Alpha jet rockets fly at super high speed of about 3,000 km/hr against a very big Valour warship clearly visible and exposed on the open sea travelling like a slow tortoise at 52 km/hr......it takes only about 7 seconds for the Alpha jet rockets to be half way to the valour frigate.

only a south african pilot will not be able to use 3,000 km/hr speed rockets to endanger a 52 km/hr warship since your own Hawk jet pilots have never seen real battle action since the day they were born.

nigerian Alpha jet pilots have been attacking from air to ground over 20 years experience now.

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Do you even under stand just how far away 10000m is? Do you realze at that range it is way beyond the ffectiv range of rockets.

And your alpha jet piolts have seen real acstion? Bombing people who can't shoot back is like bombing at a shooting rang and yet still you have had accdints.


If you really studied milltary you would know just how stupid you look.

Henry120: They are a bunch of wankers. Neither do we. The government in nigeria doesn't care about the British one bit, neither do enlightened nigerians.

They have been errevant for years now. Do you know they have a aicraft carrer but no carrier capbal fighters, scraped there nimrods with out a replace ment and need Germany(HK) to fix there main assult rifel because it kept on jaming

There americas lap dog these days.

souldust: how do you know we are more corrupt than you guys, especially when you have never lived in Nigeria?

A few freinds of mine where just in nigeria, the constiant compliants on this forum and the corruptssion chart thingy.

agaugust: you are nigeria's minister for defence or chief of defence staff ? you must be craaaaaaaazy

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Will find the book. But in there it talks about it and how the nifrain armed forces lakes dirrecstion.

agaugust: south africa does NOT have any jet fighter that can get close to NNS ARADU and fly home again alive in one piece

Again I gave a real life sittuastion where infurore jets got close to better ships than your nns Aradu and got home. Fact is I doubt NNS Aradu would even know it was being bombed.

agaugust: open your eyes well and read peoples post before you reply foolishly.

@Mike.ZA was claiming south africa will import anti-ship missiles for Gripen jet, so i said nigeria too can import Maverick missiles for Alpha jet to match south africa, or is it only your country that can import new weapons ? dummy

Yes and in the 2012 defence reivew such a caplbiety is seen has somthing to get. Nigeria has not done a defense review.

agaugust: how does an aircraft carry bombs to go face NNS ARADU ? the pilots want to die young ?

I specficaly menstioned a real war in witch fighters where able to pentraite muiltpil ships, with better air deffence get close, drop bombs and then get out.