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agaugust:
I see one Hawk, one Gripen, one targeting pod....for the Gripen, unless you can prove SAAF imported Hawk compatible targeting pods because the ones for Gripen cannot work with the Hawk due to software incompatibility.

I need proof of Hawk targeting pod
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The hawk uses the Vicon 18-601E

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/82/vicon-18-601e

agaugust:
Cuban army has no good soldiers, they used teenage conscripts to defeat South Africa, Cuba had ZERO war experience until they met SADF and used your country to make history.

Nigerian navy is the force controlling Angolan waters with our super long range radars, satellite, and OPVs.

South African navy is waiting till 2015 hoping and dreaming to use Frigates as OPV and ruin the engines with over-work while abandoning South Africa's 3,500 km long coastline.

SANDF is still afraid of Seleka till today
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Yeah cuba had no war experience other than a civil war, a US funded invasion and supporting commie rebels across the world. And you do know most of the SA solders where teenage conscripts to.

We switched to the warriors for ops copper some time ago. Patrolling our coast line is actual the job of the Police water wing, DAFF and parks serves. Unless a civilian boat enters a restricted area we cant do nothing. We a navy not a coast guard. Since there are no pirates in SA there is no job for the Navy in SA. when we do patrol we carry cops to do the actual boarding's since it there justricstions.

You mean Seleka is still scared of the SA army. Remember they requested the cease fire not us.

agaugust:
Tell me lies that Russia and China depend on America for satellite positioning.

Satellite is the only global means of identifying a targets accurate position, South Africa has NO satellite, Nigeria has 3 Satelites so our military is strategically more powerful than your blind bat SANDF that cannot see beyond it's nose.

Nigerian army can see Jacob Zuma undressed in his swimming pool

Satellite gives you the true and sustainable position tracking of a target.

No source to prove SAAF Hawks have the compatible targeting pods because not any pod can work on any aircraft.

Nigerian NAF ATR-42 can radar lock-on multiple dozens of targets 330 km away at the same time, SAAF cannot and CANNOT do that.

NAF Alpha jets have been targeting fast moving enemy vehicles since 20 years ago till today.

SAAF is asleep at home for the past 20 years with ZERO modern day combat experience
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shows just how miss informed you are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

Satlites are some of the worst means since they only spend a brief time over there target area. They useless in tactical needs.

Sure they can, if the satlite is over that area at that time of day meaning the rest of the area is not being watched and rember SA has satlite tracking stations. So we will know where the blind spots are.

And that information is useless, why do you think GPS is used against static targets, I will give you a hint, it the word static.

SAAF Hawks where integrated with the same pods used on the cheeta C.

Other than or range of mobil radars. Any case your ATRs have no means to prosecute targets and there comms can be jammed making them useless. They can see but that is all, And using that radar gives away there position to.

And your point is what? could any of those guys deploy weapons to shoot back at the alpha jets?

And NAF spends there days shooting at pic up trucks where SAAF spends there time training to fight a war vs a actual threat.

EVarn:
i'm also unimpressed by your poor,clueless and amateurish performance against:
(a) seleka rebels
(b) rhino poachers
(c) pirates in angola coasts
(d) cuban recruits in the angolan war.
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boko haram isnt a "rag-tag militant" as you so ignorantly claimed.they are more equipped than your troops in DRC.at least they dont lack tents and fuel,neither are they starved,like your troops.

Seleka rebels that though both out numbered us and out gunned us suffered heavy losses.

Rhino poachers are still mostly a SANPARK issue, SANDF only helps out. Either way we still kill and capture hundreds of poachers and we still have more rhinos than the entire world combined.

Not one act of piracy in Angolan waters since our deployment.

Cuba sent there best solders and the USSR spent more money there than in Astan.

agaugust:
Thank you for proving me right with the bolded part of your comment.....Data-link is a mere radio telecoms device, NOT a weapon for targeting and locking on enemy.

Data-link only communicates by radio of information to you, it's up to you to go locate that target, get withing firing range, acquire/track target, lock on target, fire on target when you are withing firing range.

You Soweto guys will soon say the tyres of your APCs are weapons because you can drive it over people's heads when they lie down

Buffoons
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It allows the transfer of Data, including targeting Data

https://www.militarymodelling.com/sites/1/images/member_albums/40369/img_3127.jpg

Targeting pod.

agaugust:
The NAF commander you all quoted for Scorpion jets purchase interest, has said NAF has 11 F-7 jets operational. PROVED BY NAF ITSELF

https://www.informationng.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/naf-f7-ni-airguard.jpg
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that air looks very solid.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/Gripen_400x300.jpg

You have 11 F7, but there is between zero and none that all 11 are operational, since there is this thing called maintenance.

agaugust:
How do you detect target without you too being detected and attacked ?

You have SANDF radar inside Nigerian side of the dividing frontline?

South Africa has NO Satellite, so forget GPS

Hawk jets have no targeting pod, so forget that too.

Best is Hawk may have FLIR with very short range and gets too close to target, gets shot down by Nigerian air defences

You cannot attack mobile target without a lock on radar or FLIR.

Data link is only for information telecoms NOT for locking on targets .

Show me where NATO said their jets used data links to lock on targets and attack

Dream on dreamer !
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Talk about changing the subject.

Easy, by using passive systems.

They don't need to be behind the enemy line, our mobile radar can still cover hundreds KM behind enemy line while being behind our own.

All GPS is run by the USAF, no matter what country, even that garmin you bought uses USAF. By the point is Moot, we use INS to, in fact GPS is a bad idea since EW can effect it.

Actually the hawks do have targeting pods.

Sorry, they have far better systems than your 2 MPAs

Yes you can, SA hit many a moving target in the 1970s and 1980s with out radar, IR or any thing.

Data link is for sending data, including targeting data. Aka here is a target for you to shoot.

Why NATO?

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Show me SAAF Hawk jet with targeting pods.....
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Show me more than 3 NAF F7 in the air

agaugust:
Nigerian ISTAR puts NAF 66 years ahead od SANDF-SAAF....I should be asking if your Soweto military Generals know what ISTAR is

Individual weapon/ordanance needs lock on to h.it target and launcher platform MUST be withing weapon-target range limits.

Dumbo Domingo @Patches
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Sorry you still playing catch up. Sure your 2 MPAs can find targets but that is it. The gripen and hawk can both find and attack said targets. We all so have more tyes of ISRT sytems than you have aircrafts.

agaugust:
SANDF data-link has not been proven to exist except on paper, you never did anything on record with it.

Data-link is a telecoms device, not a targeting pod or radar for locking on to targets for weapons delivery attack. Fool !

You can only attack targets you lock on with your radar or FLIR, then satellite GPS.

Yet if you are too far away, you may be targeting your own army without knowing it, friendly fire disaster
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Data link is used every hour of every day in the SANDF. It is a sytem that all new SANDF radios are a part of. It is not some paper thing but a actual think in use.

Data link means some one else can do the targeting work for you. That is what people are trying to tell you

Data link includs a blue force tracker to prevent freindly fire. They may still take place but the odds are reduced greatly.

agaugust:
You cannot lock on to a target with data-link.

You need one of the following...Radar, FLIR, Satellite GPS, but it has to be connected with the weapon being fired.

Hawk jet can receive information of a Nigerian T-72 tank location, but how will SANDF get that information when your ISTAR capability is 66 years behind NAF ?

You are just having wet dreams in your bedroom
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Actualy you can. A umkhonto was all ready fired at a target a seprat ship locked on to. Basicaly Ship A shot the tartet while only ship B had's radar on.

But that is hardly the point. The PGM does not need Radar. The hawk can carry a targeting/recc pod. The same one built for the cheeta so the Hawk has FLIR then. But this is all a moot point since you need none of this.

by making use of GPS/INS guidance. Increased targeting accuracy can be achieved by using an Imaging Infrared (IIR) with complete Automatic Target Recognition (ATR) capability, or a semi-active laser seeker. The system can also be fitted with an RF proximity fuze for area targeting, using a prefragmented warhead.

Fly to point, drop bomb and then the bomb does the rest.

agaugust:
Tiny and smaller VBL carries the 20mm cannon in Europe. Civilian grade Toyota Hilux carries twin ZSU-23 cannon of 23mm x 2.

What make/brand of engine and chassis is on Igirigi, any info on that please?

What 20mm though and what is the VBL made of, how strong is the supenstion and how effect by maintance is the VBL20. Those toyat's with 23mm guns have a very short life, the recoil damges it and will cause somthing to break, thuse you will have maintance issues out your ears.

agaugust:
Does not change the fact that over 90% of G-6 artillery is in cold frozen reserve.

If you live in a glass house don't throw stones
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Means that there units are not activate but the guns are kept ready. Those not in storge are used for training those in storge are the ones used for war, they are thus kept combat ready and cost less to maintain due to being used less. Those not in storge are kept at our training centres, where they can actually be fired, you need a massive shooting range to fire them, most countries do no have a range big enough to fire the G6 at max range.

UK, USA and others does something similar, they have a lot of AFV in storage near where they will be used, Aka main land Europe.

agaugust:
Nigeria bought last batch of Bofors around 2003 .

Army guide said earlier production was upgraded by users, we go with that.

Simple
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What upgrades though, there are many upgrade option. Changing to a new version is a major upgrade and would get a mention.

agaugust:
Upgrades are not recorded by arms sales logs. Details are usually scanty or zero, nobody knows what parts were upgraded on NAF Alpha jets avionics or NA Styer APC.

Can't probe details that are not published, all we have published is that upgrade was done, don't add or subtract from it.

Leave it as it is.

But you boaught after the upgraded guns where up and ready. Ay case you have zero proof of a upgrade so lets go with no upgrade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWc2XwhhwQ8&feature=player_detailpage

agaugust:
Source said earlier Bofors production have been upgraded , only you selects India as the only upgrade, you left out Nigeria and Sweden to satisfy your fraudulent desires.

over 90% of SANDF G-6 artillery are in storage according to defenceweb
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All the batteries that use the G6 are reserve force though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU3NLerb3_c

I work on her sister and sail on this boat every now and then.

agaugust:
Same way swapping parts of Bofors turret is not that of a big deal
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But did you get the parts for the swap? No indication shows this is the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rswi4CNf-uQ

agaugust:
Nigerian Scorpion tanks were upgraded from 70mm to 90mm guns, done domestically, in Bauchi state Nigeria or so, it was posted here repeatedly last year.

Army guide says all Bofors FH-77B have been upgraded, not all upgrade details are published, but it's done as the source said
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Did you build or buy the guns, because the swapping of a turret or gun is not that big of a deal.

https://www.navy.mil.za/aboutus/history/images/i041020_sas_drakensberg.jpg
https://navy.mil.za/aboutus/role/strike_craft.jpg


and SA Divers

https://www.groundshout.co.za/misc/2011_navy_festival/20110401_EOS500D_060356.jpg

[img]http://1.bp..com/-Z0zMWMGXaBE/UUrVcQ2HR8I/AAAAAAAA3_M/0TCUC30HkYI/s1600/_DSC9528.jpg[/img]

They blew it up as part of a salvage operation.

here are some articles on them

http://www.navy.mil.za/SANCareers/divers.htm

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1210/121016_Navy_Divers_rescue/article.htm

MikeZA: MK wasn't really a military threat,the apartheid government would often let its police force deal with them.

One book I read about a SADF officer (later a SANDF genrail) had him say "the first time I met any one from MK was after 1994" he spent his years fighting cubans, angolans and nambians(no nigerians heee) and training others to fight them. MK never factored in. And this guy I am talking about was high up he still gets called in to help with stuff.

patches689: We feilded that during apartheid and then we were mainly drawing men from the white population. We are talking in the millions now.

That was perfmant force, reserve force and commandos. I mean 350 000 permant force. That was our size during the mid 1990s though most where ex librastion forces. The numbers where dropped prety fast.

Aguby all so fails to take in to account that nigeria has 170 million people where SA is 55 million. SA has more solders per civlian rastio than nigeria. And our budget needs to be dived among less people. Haveing a big army does not help if the poorly equiped, trained, motivated and led.

agaugust: You this old Navy chef-cook, you know nothing about war

Your Congo DRC war SANDF fortune teller wrote story and said M23 fired anti-aircraft rockets on towns and cities. LOL

Is there any weapon like that in this world? No, it does not exist.

That first lie has shown you a fraudulent South African propaganda story as usual.

He said SANDF had 200 troops fight 7,000 Seleka !!!!!! Second Big lie !!!!!

The truth is 400 SANDF and 1,500 Seleka !!!!

SANDF figure from South Africa, and Seleka figure from France.

The story is full of false information and so has ZERO credibility.

Sorry Mr. Fraudrewza, your story is a big lie from the pit of hell, better luck next time !

South African army is a ZERO and not a hero in Congo DRC war !

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He is a reporta. I am glade he did not call a R4 a macgin gun. He was talking about a MLRS the name is what gave it away.

There where 7000 seleka. He never said all of them took part in the attack.

No it was 250 odd vs 3000. Only half the number of partroopers where deployed. The 1500 is old numbers.

agaugust: ....

Liking your own post again.

agaugust: World class fraud, lies, propaganda and deception coming out the best place to expect it...South Africa
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every you do not like is propergander, yet you have never ever been able to prove it because you are a dipshit moraan with no brains and a waist of oxygen.

agaugust: Nigeria has about 150,000 soldiers and we are over-stretched spreading all over our land mass to fight Boko Haram.

South Africa has 50,000 soldiers and that's 3 times smaller an army than Nigeria's... on your land mass somewhat bigger than Nigeria !

If Boko Haram was in South Africa, your country will collapse under the heavy pressure of an insurgency that appears and disappears at random in multiple locations you don't expect or predict, and mixed up with civilians to confuse you.

Large armies prevent large countries from being overrun by lightly armed threats that are very mobile and of no fixed permanent base and mixed up with civilians.

One man one rifle looks cheap, but hey, it will save you in COIN war. My boss told me in the office some days ago, he said..."Augustine, Boko Haram cannot survive in America, we have 100 million civilian guns including assault rifles, we will k.ill every Boko Haram fighter on our streets, the US Army will just arrive to pick up dead bodies".

One man, one rifle !
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but we don't have BH in south Africa, in fact southern Africa as no real threats other than some time stuff in moimbque. SA is spending at peace time levels where in Nigeria defence is one of the biggest things on the budget in SA it is one of the smallest. SA at full war time econmy would be able to easly fiels 350,000

Henry120: So that in the next 30 minutes, you come back asking the same silly question?


Have you not been reading the posts by Augaugust?

I said NAF, is the Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency the Nigerian air force?