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Pennywise: Its a relation. I went to visit him. I saw 2 others on drip with a young pharmD brandishing stetoscope. What insult.

that's a lie. Say something else

ACM10: The catchword there is NITTY-GRITTY. Even Physiotherapists/Nurses/Radiographers do study these courses too, but not in details. Does pharmacy students do practicals with cadaver? I mean dissecting cadaver region by region. It is only Anatomy/MedSurg students that does it.

Moreover, how can you treat a patient without the knowledge of the PATHOLOGY behind the disease. Don't you think that this defiency in knowledge can make a difference between life and death?

In my year 2, I did anatomy (histology and gross) so we dealt wit cadaver and pathology is a course under pharmmicrobiology in 300level. Get your facts right ok

joker5180: I see nothing wrong in health professionals striving to improve their skills but I always doubt the sincerity of doing so if there a hidding secrete to it.
No nigerian university award " doctor of ............" as first degree except in the case of optometry ( which is a desaster).
The degree " doctor of .......," is ONLY awarded to students who undergo a postgraduate training in form of PhD.
People who study MEDICINE AND SURGERY are awarded MB,BS( bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery) by universities. The title "Dr" is given by their regulatory body.
An additional year doesnt equate to a PhD.
They just want parade themselves as "doctors" in the society and nothing else.

Olodo, who said Pharm D is PHd (doctorate degree). I won't explain again so use google to educate yourself.

Pennywise: Sharrap. U dont understand what is at play here. Ur leaders are using u as a pon in a game of chess. They dont care about you or the pharmacy profession.

@zeezabee this is a response to you too.

why quote me under another post. Anyways whatever rocks your boat. I won't argue with a blind man

obayaya: I'm none of the above. But if you have a superior argument, why not present it?

Mr. Obayaya, now I won't argue with you. I will only quote people that understand what we are saying here. Thanks

Pennywise: Do u know each time a doctor enters the theater he is putting his certificate on the line? Meanwhile pharmacists screw up prescriptions all the time and then replace a wrongly dispensed drug with a smile? No courts. No judge ever get to hear.

Who told you no court? Deal with nigeria government for bad regulations. Both the pharmacist and doctor are licensed and belongs to an association that monitor them. So you forgot the rophynol case, the my pikin syrup case. So don't sound pharmacist certificate and license are not put on line. If a pharmacist does any wrong, he/she will be dealt with so same with doctors also. Both certficate are on the line ok.

Pennywise: It is not in doubt that Nigerian pharmacists need a more didactic curriculum to become better professionals even if it means increasing study yrs to 6.

But that doesnt entitle them and optometrists to the prefix 'Dr'. Architects spend 6yrs in sch, yet they are not addressed with the prefix 'Dr'. In the US pharmD or not pharmacists are not called doctor sb except in Nigeria.

Why the fixation with the title? A lot of people doctors or not see a sinister motive esp when viewed against the background of the unending acrimony in the health sector.

Now I can understand you MR. Penny. You think pharmacist want the pharm D or the Dr title because of the 6years it will take to get a pharm D lol, how will architect be called doctor because of 6yrs. Like seriously, You are wrong. In the US, pharmacist are called Doctor, they are entitled to it, if you call the pharmacist or doctor, they are cool. Pennywise I can see you no nothing about what you are saying. Do your research well

ACM10: Are you serious?! You want doctors to earn the same salary as the pharmacist who sit all day long in an air-conditioned room dispensing the prescriptions of the doctors? It will be possible if only they come to the ward and get needle pricks from the HIV positive patients or confront Lassa fever patients. There is no place in the world where the pharmacists earn as much as doctors in a hospital. So your suggestion is dead on arrival.

Come to think of it, so you think pharmacy is about prescriptions only. Am sorry for you. As for the salary, I won't talk about that.

ige101: You think its all about the title?think again,do you think if the Medical Doc salarry is not twice that of a pharm they would be agitating for that?

Getting a Pharm D is same as B.pharm, just that you get more clinical experience with pharm D. No one is asking for same salary as the doctor, even in the US that offer pharm D, the doctors salary is still higher than the pharmacists. Pharm D doesn't mean they want to get same salary, get that right ok.

Charis12: was interviewed by a young man oo..maybe nt young buh he'z noh fat.he was very nice too. I wasnt tensed at all. Congratz too. Please who knows how to get to iowa? Who'z travelling in dat direction? Esheyyyyy

charis are you male or female ?

obayaya: Well maybe I'm wrong for saying the B.Pharm degree is more popular in the US. But I wasn't wrong in my assertion that the Pharm.D degree is a professional/post graduate degree of some sort. And a bachelors of science degree in a relevant field is a pre requisite for that degree.

And you guys a clamoring for a Pharm.D degree as a first degree here?

Oh Please...

All I see here is a desperate attempt to be like others and be considered equal which is wrong.

Mr. Obayaya, sorry are you a Doctor or pharmacist? like seriously you know nothing about what you have been saying since here. Make use of wikipedia or google to understand more before you post anything. Thanks

stefikal: And some of the posts simply make me sad.

Ignorance is really a disease I suppose.

Who ever said Pharm D is about the 'title'?

What ever happened to the main idea- Pharmaceutical care?

Pharmacy practice has evolved from dispensing of drugs to Pharmaceutical care and this is an avenue to improve pharmacists.

If the security system in the world adopted an innovation to improve security services and then the Nigerian Police Force chooses to follow this innovation, does it mean they are simply up for titles?

What is wrong with pharmacists-in-training being equipped so they can stand with their counterparts from any part of the world(not medical doctors) and not bring shame to Nigeria.

Is it a bad thing if Nigeria improves?

I don't just get the concept, y'all claiming that we don't go through medical school. Says who? I'm a pharmacist-in-training and I'm in medical school.

The problem with Nigerians is that we all want to pass our points across even when we realise we could be misleading others.

I still get irked when I meet people and they ask, "What's your course of study?" When I reply "Pharmacy" with the inward joy that I'm part of a noble profession, I get disappointed when the next question comes as, "So you want to graduate and sell drugs in a shop?"

Really? Pharmacy is more encompassing than that, and Pharm. D doesn't limit one to hospital practice. Are we trying to insinuate that the countries that have implemented this programme do not have pharmacists working in Industries, in Academia, in Research and all.

Of course they do, please Nigerians let's embrace progress, Pharm. D is not just for the improvement of the pharmacists but also for the patients, the sole aim is getting better.

You took the words from my mouth. thumbs up

Doc. Adray:
I think it is a welcome development.

The Faculties of Pharmacy within all Nigerian universities, should be accredited and their curriculum/course outline updated to cover a wider 'clinical' practice coverage...

Thank you sensible Doc

ACM10: Why are you trying to appear clever by latching on one aspect of my comment? Do you think that thorough knowledge of Pharmacology prepares you enough to treat patients? What about Pathology? Can you treat a patient without knowing the pathological basis of the disease? You are picking my points selectively. That's a sign of intellectual weakness.

Get your info right, we do pharmaceutical microbiology so pathology comes in.

ige101: More drama yet to unfold,not until the Fed Govt come up with a uniform salary structure for everyone in the health sector,this drama wont cease.What we just read is not unconnected with the discrepancies in salaries of health workers.Let everyone be put on same structure and see if there won't be peace.

Who's talking about salary? Oooooo you told the whole pharm D issh was about getting a raise in salary, I won't say more to you because you know nothing about what we saying here.

pDude: Gloried medicine sellers

sick

I won't say anything yet, let me keep observing and reading comments.

dahfweshdude69: it seems d rate of denial for fall semesters ain't that many compared to spring semesters...my personal observation.... please am going to Texas... which airline should I go with emirates or Qatar?... any other cheap airline can be recommended

Qatarairways.com, I got a good offer, 121k to new york. If you are flying in july its cheap, if its august, its high but still ok. I vote qatar

Charis12: Hi all. I have followed this thread for a while now. I am grateful to everyone who has posted transcripts here..both approvals and otherwise. God bless you all. My interview was on monday,june 23rd 6.30a.m. Iprayed to be the first interviewee so i the pre denials wont affect my morale so my number was A002. A001 was not with the person who interviewed me i guess so my number flashed first on window 7.


Me: Good morning
Vo: you are going to university of iowa for your graduate studies?

Me: yes i am
VO: so y did you choose u of iowa
Me: u of iowa has a supportive learning environment that providez students with individual learning attention(VO cuts in)

VO: no u are giving me crammed answers. What was the process like? Was that the only school you applied to?

Me: ok sir. No,i applied to four schools,western kentucky university,indiana university bloomington,griffith university australia and university of iowa.

VO: ok why do you want to study public health?
Me: I want to do research on alleviating the public health issues im Nigeria,working on the preventive rather than the treatment of diseases.

VO: ok do you have any degree?
Me: yes

VO: what course
Me: botany from so so school (dz z cos i dont want all d smart people 4rm my
school to figure out d identity)


VO: okay.what do you do now?
Me: i volunteer at an orgamization. We source for funds to provide scholarships and health and safety seminars to children in rural areas.

VO: so its not paid?
Me: no its a volunteer job.

VO: did you do any standardized test?
Me: yes i did the gre and toefl

Vo: can i c ur gre report?
Me: yes..passd it to him(had 305)

Vo: so wat documents did you submit to get the admission
me: gre,toegl report,statement of purpose.i also appliex through sophas.

Vo:good. Who will be sponsoring you
me: my dad

vo: what doez he do?
Me: he'z a mechanical engineer.he worjs at si so so place.they are into sales and dustribution of motor vehiclez.trucks.vans and so on.

Vo: what courses will u be taking in ur 1st year
me: introduction to public health,epidemiology,environmental toxicology.il also take an mph practicuum course which is a field work.

Vo: very good. I will approve your visa..paases the white paper. I sincerely did not hear the resr. He passed my i-20 too and said u will need this. I was just saying thank you thank you.


I am grateful to u all. Special thankx to bigfrancis,u are one of d most amazing persons i av not met.God bless u for me. May God grant u all of ur heart desires. Thank u sooooo much. All d best to all those that will soon be going for interview. Just trust God and bev confudent.u sure will get it. Siri fir any typos,im using my palasa touchphone
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Charis, you da boss. I was interviewed in window 7 and also picked a ticket no 002. I guess the VO that interviewed you is a fat frosh white dude, that guy smiles relieve ones anxiety. The question is kinda same with mine, he asked me if I registered for classes, I said yes and he said I should mention them and I told him, tho I never register ooo. Anyways congrats, you followed my foot step. Good luck and safe trip

slimmy05: I also need this info. One thats above 3,500 per night

If its above 3,500 then you can go to Eko hotel, oriental etc #hehehehe#

Slimmy and MJ seun, obalende is better. From obalende you can take a cab for as low as 1k to the embassy.

slimmy05: I also need this info.

bbdd: 5.5/7
University of Ibadan

Problem is that in my field many schools don't offer masters. Just phd. Even those that offer masters will tell you point blank that they only fund phd students.

But a few offer master courses with funding so I'm trying those ones

You are right, most pharmaceutical, biomedicals want PHD not msc dis days, some schools told my friend the same but if you search well you will get for Msc but with your GRE and cgpa and applying early and package your Sop and every every requirement well, you should get PHD. Me I don't have time sha , still team Pharm D lol

bbdd: Gre 310
GPA 3.3/4 (WES unofficial igpa )

I hope this is OK. These science based courses can be very funny. I think I'll apply to a wide range of schools too maybe that will help.

Naplex is suspended for now. And some of my friends were going to spend money to buy books (expensive) and ship it to naija. The exam can't even be written in naija sef. O pari. Looool

So you can see, when I tell people I want to go for pharm D, they be like why wasting another 2yrs but they don't know pharmacy get wahala, without license, you can't practice. If you want to practice in naija, you can stick to you B.pharm but if you want yankee then you need to transfer or take lincensing exam (expensive, no assurance).

Graviton v.2.0.:
Zee,

What have you come up with?

boss, I got something but bit expensive sha, will buzz you to explain the package.

bimbola85: Zeezahbee

Babe bamisoro na.

Really need to ask you some questions.

No vex brother, you PM went to my spam box and I never get time to check. Email me : zeezahunique at gmail dot com

bbdd: I just read online I have to repeat internship if after passing naplex and Fpgee if i want to practice with B.pharm.

And different states have different licensure bodies that can act independently

Na wa ooooooo. Lol

So you don't know before, brother, that pharmacy licensure exam na long thing, I don't have time for iranu. Get into masters, pHd or PHarm D with funding than wasting my money on very hard exam that just one out of 100 international pharmacist pass, then you will still do one year internship again no matter how long you have practiced in your home country. Brother, just go ahead with the PHD or Msc plan, when you get to US, you can then decide how you want to practice.

bimbola85: Great! 2011,Permanent Site and Philosophy.

Did you do WES evaluation to get admitted?

ok, ya my senior lol. Mine was sagamu at the teaching hospital.
Before nko, yes I used WES

bbdd: Hi. Thanks for the kind wishes and reassurance.
I'm interested in pharmacy administration. I'm not really a lab person.
I've checked some pharmacy administration/health outcomes department scores. They want >300 Gre and 3. 0 GPA but you know these schools usually admit students that get way more than that.

Can't you just take naplex and Fpgee in the US and practice with your b Pharm?

NAPLEX : north america pharmacist licensure examination
FPGEE :the Foreign Pharmacy Graduate Equivalence Examination.
It doesn't add up my brother. Licensing exams is expensive, will take months/yr if written in nigeria, gosh, I can't go through that stress, most times they tell you to write PCAT to know your weakness and strength, my guy the procedure is too much from one stage to another and spending money with no hope of even getting visa. Its better to go to the US for masters or pharmD and do those things than sitting in naija and writing licensing exam, I don't have that time. I prefer to get my pharmD as age is still on my side and I don't really have much clinical experience here than to sit my ass in naija and waste money and time on licensing exam. I have people that eXam and still failed or are still battling with one stage, our drug(brand name, generic), disease state is different from the US.
Read this links to understand
http://overseaspharmacist.com/foreign-pharmacy-career/united-states-pharmacists-jobs.htm
http://www.pharmacy.umaryland.edu/admissions/pharmd/applying/internationpharms.html
So my decision to transfer for pharm D is to avoid spending excess money and with no 100% of getting licensed but taking the pharm D for 2-3yrs and getting to work straight as a pharm in US

bimbola85: Bro,that's not how WES do their evaluation. That link is just for mathematical conversion like 3.67/5.0 calculated on 4point scale just by 3.67/5 multiply by 4 which is not how WES do their evaluation.

To have an idea of WES evaluation, go to WES website and make use of their free evaluation tool.

Mine is 3.67/5.0 and after I made use of the evaluation tool on WES website it gives me 3.23/4.0.

Someone even told me it might be higher by the time WES officially evaluated my transcript because his GNS(general studies) as it's called in my school was excluded from his evaluated grades.

Why I believed mine also will be higher is because I have low grades in my GNS and would be glad if it's excluded when WES complete the evaluation.

Bimbola , you grad from OOU ?? Woow,yaaay!! Greatest OOUite. Which year , campus and course ? Tell me

If you check my posts, I only use the website to evaluate gpa so as to have an idea of what range your will fall in and I said and I have always been saying that WES evaluation works in different ways and it also depends on your grade(ABCDEF), your school etc

£8k and eye con blind join. There's God oo. Some people will see peace and be looking for wahala. She should go get a walking stick

juntod: That will be 2.752 according to Zeezahbee's link

That's correct juntod but after WES evaluation its possible its goes a bit high like 2.7-3.0, well after studying WES evaluation I found out if you have more As, you evaluation won't be that high just normal, if you have more Cs then you get to roll high because a nigeria C is a US B.

juntod: One love Bee.. By 90% I was actually advising the original poster that if he gets admitted into Phd from Bsc, his chances for funding are very high for biomedical/pharmaceutical sciences because they must have seen something outstanding about his undergrad. Anyway, that aside. Thanks.

You are definitely right juntod. The guy has a nice GRE and wonderful undergrad Cgpa so he can go ahead with PHD, he might be lucky to get a good offer.