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Samgreguc:
PCN, MDCN etc will be merge and you think regulating will be done effectively?

when they are merged the council heads would know and focus on those bodies that are indeed clinically relevant

Sctests:
Actually yes!, Dr Ahmadu Alli an NMA member is the Board member/Chairman of NUC. NMA has an interest in the whole issue. He is also in GEJ's political kitchen cabinet. A good reason GEJ must be voted out next month. These charlatans have to give way.


https://www.nairaland.com/2087791/health-sector-headship-tussle-olaoluwa

ok so is yayale ahmed also an NMA member??

Oduduwaboy:
NMA! NMA!! NMA everywhere!!! these nigerian doctors are just toooooooooo wicked! Why cant they just allow the Medical lab technicians ( ?scientists) to have their own faculty? Of course, in no time the nurses, physiotherapy...cleaners will begin to agitate for their own independent faculties all in a bid to stave off oppression of doctors!

lol...u forgot to add that the patients too should be given their own faculty!!

Oduduwaboy:
Is it NMA again? I dey laff o!

ofcourse it is NMA na or wasn't it thesame NMA that just masterminded the gruesome killing of French cartoonists by those stupid jihadists in Paris ??

Samgreguc:
Have you seen the report?






Meanwhile,, did you read where it said one body will do the work of 15 different bodies in regulating?

yea and I think that's the right thing to do

The National Universities Commission (NUC) on Friday said that it suspended Medical laboratory science courses for the 2015/2016 academic session to enable it take stock of the programme.

The NUC Director of Academic Standards, Dr Gidado kumo, gave the explanation in an interview with the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) in Abuja.

NAN recalls that students, who sought to apply for the discipline in 2015/2016 academic year, complained that it was not listed by the Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB).

Kumo said that JAMB removed the course from its website for 2015/2016 session in compliance with an NUC directive.

According to him, the NUC has numerous unresolved problems with the Medical Laboratory Science and the Medical Laboratory Council.

“We decided as a commission whose responsibility it is to oversee all the programmes to stop the programmes and take stock of the activities of the programmes and the council across Nigerian university system.
He described as illegal the directive from the council for the establishment of Medical Laboratory Science faculties.
Kumo said that Medical Laboratory Science should be a department within the faculty of basic medical sciences in the Colleges of Health Sciences.

According to him, government may not have the capacity to fund these faculties as proposed because it will amount to duplication and extra cost for government.

“In addition, the council further went ahead to produce a new curriculum and circulated to universities for adoption which was clearly outside the jurisdiction of the council.

“Not forgetting also that in 2008, there were many universities running this programme without the approval of NUC; some of them were run in institutes.

He said that a comprehensive auditing of the programmes were conducted before they were closed down and asked universities to take the students to their main campuses.

The director said that NUC remained the statutory agency of government responsible for approval of courses, approval of new faculties and determination of the funding of universities.

He said discussions with the council were ongoing, adding that the programme would be released once all pending issues were sorted out. (NAN). http://leadership.ng/news/400744/nuc-explains-suspension-laboratory-science-course-20152016-academic-session

Oduduwaboy... Very very well said . I also remember those days in ife but now they seem to Hv blown it!

Hmmm

pathology:
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during your residency, ARE U SPONSORING URSELF OR GOVT IS SPONSORING U BY PAYING UR SALARY, EXAMS, REVISION COURSES ETC.?

in medical residency Govt pay for ur revision courses and of Ofcourse a resident dr gets paid salaries cos while studyin he is also expected to treat patients, take calls , do surgeries e.t.c hence while still training to bcome a specialist he also treats patients; which is the main reason y d patient came to d hospital in the 1st place . Also note that a medical residence is disengaged from duty ( he bcomes unemployed ones he/she passes d fellowship exam.) A FRESH SPECIALIST Dr IS SYNONYMOUS TO AN UNEMPLOYED INDIVIDUAL . He would go around wt his or her now specialist certificate to look for job afresh in order to be referenced as consultants. He cannot force the govt or any institution to consult him or her. This johesu ppl wants "residency" but do not seem to understand what it entails. Would they be willin for govt to convert their present permanent employment to a temporary one and then start lookn for job afresh when they bcom "specialist" in whatever field they get to choose?? I doubt that strongly!!

pathology:
what re the requirement to make one a consultant

requirement varies wt discipline. There are fellowship or specialty curriculum that is determined by a governing body. One would usually takes some yrs of studies and some examinations after which one is conferred the status of a specialist in a field ; note that no examination body awards any1 individual a consultant . U are only regarded a specialist in a particular field . U ideally referred to as a consultant only when a firm, school , hospital e.t.c feels a need for ur specialty and then consults u hence u bcom a consultant to that firm

Samgreguc:
wow! A Pharmacist is nw synonymous to NASU.
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Is dat so?

u ve been economical wt ur contribution since this thread started. Why don't u just make ur point

Nice...a very cerebral peice

pathology:
zeus, can u actually define the term consultant for us layman

a consultant is any1 who is required to provide an expert advice in a particular field . This could range from security issues, to sanitation , legal advice e.t.c

TooGood01:
It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title.

True, the dr cannot stop u from bcomin a "statistical consultant" or whatever type of consultant u choose to cal urself but they as the leader of the team would definitely Hv to determine if ur consultancy would be needed in an hospital setting or not

seunayantokun:
Talibanis or whatever you call yourself, this platform is meant for mature ppl who don't insult others immaterial of whoever/whatever they are. Pls, grow and seek knowledge.

If any of those things I put up there are not present realities in your limited corner, it doesn't mean it is not in other places. If any of them has changed anywhere, it was due to pressures mounted on the authorities concerned to change it.

ok but pls answer Talibani"s question. He/she said u should mention the federal hospital where a med dr is the head of the nursing dept period !

I really share in JOHESU sentiments, however let me shed some light on the issues at hand ; In Ngeria post graduate residency training OF Drs takes atleast 4years and these drs are thereafter called laboratory physicians if they specialze in lab medicine. Remember during their undergraduate years they did alot of laboratory medicine and the curriculum is same as the one use for B.Sc students though with emphasis on clinical medicine. IN TIME PAST when laboratory physicians were scarce to come by those with B.Sc assumed the headship of the Labs but now the world is fast changing and medicine is also evolving with more emphasis on specialization. In the international scene, public medical laboratories are overseen by consultants pathologist and not medical lab scientist a name which is wrongly used in our clime because only PhD holders are qualified to be so called. The act establishing the MEDICAL AND DENTAL COUNCIL OF NIGERIA in early 1960s was reviewed at about 1992 giving the MDCN additional powers to regulate laboratory practise in both private and public hospitals in nigeria. This gives doctors every rights to head the laboratories in hospitals based on specialization. Interms of consultants in hospitals remember until an employer engages you as one you can not be so addressed despite your qualifications.Members of JOHESU were not engaged as consultants ab initio by the hospital likewise resident doctors, that is why resident doctors are not permanent staffs of the hospital, only specialist who have been so engaged. It is therefore absurd for a resident doctor or members of other allied profession to ask that they be made consultants as part of their career progression, it amounts to shifting the post while the game is still on. NOTE that though the WACN (west african college of nursin)and WAPCP (west african college of pharmacy)are located in same address with WACP/WACS ( college of physician/surgeon)(6 Tailor drive yaba Lagos) yet the certificates of fellowship they award can not be graded as equal. IT takes 2 years to be awarded the fellowship of WACN OR WAPCP while it takes a minimum of 4years and up to 10 years to be awarded fellowship of WACP/S especially when the dr have to subspecialize. That is why the fellowship certificates of dr can be use to obtain a place in the university as lecturer 1 and rise to become a professor without any other postgraduate qualifications but publications . This is so in other commonwealth countries because the content of a medical doctor"s postgraduate residency training is more advance than a PhD programme. hence the fellowship of WACN or WAPCP which are not considered by universities cannot be compared with that of the college of physicians or surgeons because they are basically professional awards. Remember in the UK holders of the fellowship of the royal college of nursing are not appointed consultants rather there are called nurse practitioners. in the US consultant nurses are not part of public or private hospital setting but are individuals who are consulted by legal firms to help explain and analyze medical write-ups, still in the US a consultant pharmacist is not part of the hospital setting but a private individual engaged in old peoples home while a health system pharmacist is one in the hospital medical team having finished post graduate residency.there are never addressed as CONSULTANTS. Infact in developed countries the use of the title DR by non clinicians is not allowed even if the person has strings of PhDs. The whole thing is to ensure that patient management is not compromised and a command line is maintained. Unfortunately a recent circular by the FMOH stipulates specialist allowance to every member of JOHESU who have risen to grade level 12. ironically this is going to affect the desire to specialize by dr because it belittles specialization, this allowance was meant for consultants physicians or surgeons who are commenced at about grade level 15, hence if every one else earns it why not drs in grade level 12 and above which is one of the demands of NMA.. Eventually there will be dearth of specialist in our hospital since less drs will enter into residency BUT rather prefer being empolyed as MEDICAL officers where they will easily get to GL 12 without passing through the stress of residency training. It is pathetic when members of JOHESU like pharmacist claim that every member of the medical team is equal, that means they can relegate their place for ward orderlies to lead them. In as much as the care of patients is a team work there must be a team leader, and that leader is one whose knowledge about everyother allied profession is versatile; THE MEDICAL DOCTOR. Doctors can not be blamed for poor management of hospital its a general problem, what are we going to say about other govt agencies which have failed? were they managed by doctors or administrators whom JOHESU so favoured?. Let it be known that recent studies comparing the state of physician managed hospitals with non physicians managed hospital in the US concluded that physicians managed hospital did better than non physician managed hospital hence there is a gradual drive to return management of hospitals to physicians. NiGERIA can not be moving backward when the world is moving forward.The solution in this regards is to equip the physician as the head of hospitals which is a perculiar environment requiring one with knowledge of clinical skills and administration.NOTE the Director general of WHO from inception has always remained Drs, all the present deputy DGs of WHO are DOCTORS and for all the current regional directors only one person is of another profession so we cant say drs are not good managers. LETS stop politicizing nigerians health because of personal ego, let every health worker be conversant with his or her job and recognize his/her limit, let everyone value what he/she is contributing to patient care.We should accept positive change because change is inevitable.Members of JOHESU can agitate for other things but not to be seen as Drs. Culled from the punch newspaper bein comment by "IB"

The yayale hammed commitee mandated to make findings and recommendations concerning the unrest in the health sector recently submitted it's recommendation to the presidency. "unconfirmed investigation from ekiti and lagos state reveals that the following recommendations were made. 1. The doctor remains the CMD. 2. There will be 2 CMACs, one a non medical doctor 3. The core medical professionals will be the doctor, pharmacist and nurse. The others will be allied health professionals. 4. The lab scientists will primarily run the labs but be answerable to pathologists 5. The position of Director to be scrapped for health professionals 6. The health commission will be established 7. The position of chief health adviser will be created, not surgeon general and will be under the permanent Secretary ministry of health. 8. The doctor remains the leader of the health team 9. Consultant positions will be allowed for other health professions as long as they go through similar training in their profession like the doctor consultant. 10. Members of the committee are to keep details of their recommendations quiet for now. 11. The issue of relativity will be determined later after studying what happens in developed countries. 12.there will be only 3 regulatory bodies. MDCN will be retained and many other regulatory bodies would be combined

tee4light:
May 17....whr r my bday mates?

right here

Hmmmm .....was it that there was no one with an amputated limbs at the Shiloh convention Mtscheeew

Abuamam:
If you took your time to study their own stated reasons behind the atrocities they commit, then you would know that religion is the furthest thing from their minds. Bin Laden stated repeatedly and continuously that the US foreign policy was behind his hatred for them, especially their support for Israeli war crimes and illegal land grabbing- as certified by the UN. BH pointed to the extra judicial killing of their members as their cause before it exploded into a large scale murderous venture. ISIS grew on the back of a western backed rebellion against Assad, and morphed into another murderous rampage when the US-installed Shi'a government decided to persecute Sunnis, starting with their Vice President, no less. It is noteworthy that alQaeda & co. had zero presence in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc before the US government decided to meddle, nor did they exist before the US proxy war in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. So, unless you believe that the US set them up to promote Islam, all these groups have nothing to do with Islam. Their claims of jihad are only for the purpose of attracting recruits from the ignorant muslims, who exist only because muslim scholars and schools are prevented from educating the muslim youth.
Let me tell you, we hate these atrocities more than you, because they malign our religion, destroy our social structures and decieve our youth into dying for foolish causes. That is why you find countries like Saudi Arabia at the forefront in the war against ISIS and their likes. However, certain powers that be have gained control over these misguided youth, and until they are exposed, you are going to see more of these atrocities on your news channel, regretably.

Let me ask you; how long have non muslims... let us take Yazidis as example, lived in muslim lands? or Christian copts in Egypt or Jews in Palestine? If Islam preaches that they were to be converted or killed, how did they survive as a minority all these centuries? Or where they bad muslims ruling them? How objective is it to use 20years of alQaeda & co. to judge 1500 years of muslim rule?

its always about the west and Isreal . I see u also making a case for even boko haram. I rest my case friend i shall reply u no more. Thank u

Abuamam:
Obviously you have anger issues. Go to Iraq and tell ISIS to leave the Yazidis alone if you feel so strongly about it. I was asked about apostasy, and I pointed out that an apostate is a former muslim; which excludes the Yazidis. What they worship is their headache.

You are of course, entitled to your opinion about Islam, but what led ME to Islam was the wonderful rationality inherent in its teachings. If I see a misconception about Islam, I point out the correct position. What you choose to do with the information does not worry me in the least.

if u feel I have got anger issues wt religion then u my friend may not be far from the truth. And one of the reasons to b sincere wt u is because am a surgeon . Am a member of both the west african and national college of surgeon . Am also a fellow of the royal college of surgeon. I derive my day to day opium from saving just one life .(sometimes it takes me hours to conclude a surgical procedure) . But then u get home and see religiously motivated mad men beheading dozens within 10minuites all in a bid to emulate their prophets

Abuamam:
Obviously you have anger issues. Go to Iraq and tell ISIS to leave the Yazidis alone if you feel so strongly about it. I was asked about apostasy, and I pointed out that an apostate is a former muslim; which excludes the Yazidis. What they worship is their headache.

You are of course, entitled to your opinion about Islam, but what led ME to Islam was the wonderful rationality inherent in its teachings. If I see a misconception about Islam, I point out the correct position. What you choose to do with the information does not worry me in the least.

tell me the rationality inherent in the teaching of Islam .... And pls do not give me that "no compulsion in religion poo" except Ofcourse u wanna explain what abrogation in Islam means

Abuamam:
Obviously you have anger issues. Go to Iraq and tell ISIS to leave the Yazidis alone if you feel so strongly about it. I was asked about apostasy, and I pointed out that an apostate is a former muslim; which excludes the Yazidis. What they worship is their headache.

You are of course, entitled to your opinion about Islam, but what led ME to Islam was the wonderful rationality inherent in its teachings. If I see a misconception about Islam, I point out the correct position. What you choose to do with the information does not worry me in the least.

friend, I know who d yazidis are . Have been to 12 countries so far including Iraq . I had to use them as a very good example cos they seem to share thesame cultural believes wt Muslims ; the only diference bein that they do not consider ur so called villain character in the god creation a jinn but rather an honourable angel that didn't bow to human because god had initially ordered him never to bow to any1 in that ur fictitious creation story shared by u and ur Xtian counterpart. So technically they could b likened to an apostate. That is y d religion of "peace" followers continue up to this day to kill them. ... yazidis are beautiful and intelligent people but impoverished because they unfortunately Hv found themselves dwelling in majority Muslim nations that seeks to kill in "peace" others that don't share their own views

ayinba1:
Thank you brother and all the other muslims who have responded. IMO, OP and his cohorts are just resuming the Sunday bashing of muslims and Islam. They don't really want to hear about the condemnation of the terrorist acts; they are more interested in presenting Islam the way they want everyone to see it.

look when d cartoon protests where on I didn't want to hear it, when Muslims protested in the north east followin d alleged desecration of their Quran I didn't want to hear about it. But u know what, I ended up HEARING about it because they where very loud .

Abuamam:
If an apostate does not broadcast his apostasy, he will not be known as an apostate, so cannot be punished.

The Yazidis are not apostates. Their religion is a form of devil worship. The ones alive today were never muslims; though their ancestors might have been; and Islam is not hereditary. In any case, ISIS have their own way of justice, strange to the true Islamic Shari'a. They should not be used as an example of what Islam teaches, any more than Boko Haram.

wether they worship the devil or sango shouldn't be u guys business. Do u understand that? Islam without doubt has a lot of issues and violent is inherent within it. Stop tryin to rationalize religion here.

Abuamam:
1. If you have something tangible to do there, you will be given a visa. A number of consultant physicians and other professionals there presently and previously, that I am acquainted with, are pastors. I do not know whether the title is included in their passport. Your title is not a criteria. You will not be given a visa if your activities are not defined. That goes for any country.

2. No, you cannot. The authorities do not want the kind of chaos subsisting in countries where public 'reading of the Bible' is allowed; eg public transport, street corner type of Bible reading/ preaching.

3. Yes they can. The authorities will not intrude into private homes to check what or how you worship. However, christian groups especially, are never content to worship privately. They always want to mislead muslims. The authorities do not want every self-appointed 'pastor' opening a home 'church' for tithe collection. Fraud is taken seriously in the Shari'a.
Rule of thumb; if the authorities get to know that non muslims are gathering to conduct rituals, the implication is that a lot of people have been invited. Secrecy is the key. Do not use loudspeakers and do not invite muslims and you will not be punished.

4. The punishment for leaving Islam is defined under the Shari'a as the death sentence. This however is not applicable unless you publicly seek fame for leaving Islam with intention to mislead others, eg brag on western media about how you know you are going to be killed for leaving Islam, then using your newly found status (likely a non entity before your conversion) to give public presentations at the UN and every evangelical christian gathering in the US, abusing Islam. What you do in your own home is your business, and you will not be pursued to assess whether you go to the mosque or not.

5. Oppression in Islam; whereby you have the right to defend yourself using violent means; include loss of life or property, or violent persecution for holding a belief. It is noteworthy that revenge is not acceptable as justification for violence in Islam. Neither is conversion of non muslims to Islam, permissible under the Shari'a.

where in the Quran or the Hadith was it specified that there should b other conditions b4 u are allowed to kill an apostate? Were the yazidis seekin ur so called western attention or fame b4 they where slaughtered in Iraq Go and tell that hogwash list u typed up there to there families

mesoade:
so basically miracle is tricks?

look mesoade or what do u call urself. Maybe u should just visit the link below it just might answer ur question. https://www.nairaland.com/1995144/breaking-news-joagbajes-miracle-hiv

Rilwayne001:
PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ THERE STRONG CONDEMNATION

Most scholars used the Arabic abbreviation ‘Dā’esh’ in reference to ISIS. ‘Dā’esh’ has been substituted for ISIS for the convenience of the reader.

Sheikh Abu Abdullah al-Masry:

Sheikh al-Masry was previously a member of ISIS but withdrew from them on the basis of their ideology and methodology. He justifies his withdrawal by mentioning ISIS’s defamation of the people of Syria, claiming they were ideologically misguided[11], asking how this could be the case if the Prophet salla Allāhu ‘alayh wasalam said: ”If the people of Shaam corrupt, there is no good in you.” The Sheikh adds:

“The behaviour of many elements in ISIS including leaders consistently is offensive towards the people of Syria and its Mujāhidīn, accusing them of misguidance in belief and action.” He further said: “They moreover repeatedly accuse the people of Syria and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) of disbelief (Kufr).”

The Sheikh also argued that ISIS cannot be theoretically classified as Khawārij although practically this may be the case since they throw around accusations of disbelief without evidence and without understanding the gravity of such a charge. Rather, they may indict someone as a disbeliever merely on the grounds of disagreeing with them. Many of them believe that the people of Syria are originally apostates before creating justifications to this effect, raising weapons in their faces for the most trivial of matters.

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi:

Sheikh al-Tarifi is a Researcher in the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Riyadh. The Sheikh is deeply erudite in the sciences of Islam, known for his profound ability to retrieve evidences and issue meticulous verdicts. Among his teachers are Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baz, Faqih Abdullah b. Abdul Aziz b. Aqeel and Sheikh Muhammad b. al-Hasan al-Shanqeeti. The sheikh has an extensive number of printed works.[12]

He states:

“It is impermissible for anyone to make his group or party a milestone against which loyalty and hostility are measured, such that he believes that allegiance and leadership should belong to him exclusively. Whoever believes that sole allegiance applies to him (or his party) from amongst all Muslims, then upon him apply the words of Allāh: “Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad salla Allāh ‘alayh wasalam) have no concern in them in the least.”[13]“

The Sheikh added: “it is incorrect that while in a state of fighting and factions that one group should request individual and general allegiance and all that it entails. The allegiance is to the Jihād, constancy, patience and reform. It is incorrect that one individual who leads a particular faction to call himself Amīr al-Mu’minīn (the leader of the Believers), rather he should call himself the leader of the army, the battalion or the battle. General leadership is determined by Shūrā (consultation) between believers, not for an individual to assume. Titles cause exclusivity that can lead to dispute, conflict, strife and evil… [Therefore], participating with ISIS so long as it does not agree with the law of Allāh, independent of it is impermissible.”

Sheikh Sulaiman b. Nasser al-Alwan:

The Sheikh began pursuing knowledge at the age of fifteen. He has written comprehensive explanations of Hadīth books including Sahīh al-Bukhari, Jāmi’ Abū Issa al-Tirmidhi, Sunan Abī Dāwūd, Muwata’ Mālik among many others.[14] He quotes:

“Al-Baghdadi is not the Khalīfah of the Muslims for him to do whatever he pleases; rather he is a leader of a faction. Requesting a pledge of allegiance, killing those who refuse is the action of an aggressor, not the action of a person of good and righteousness.” He further said: “If his own leader does not agree with his actions, how can he expect allegiance from others?”

Sheikh Muhammad b. Salih al-Munajjid:

Sheikh Mohammad al-Munajjid is a renowned scholar of Islam with an array of recognised works (including IslamQA.com). His teachers include Sheikh Abdul Aziz b. Abdullah b. Baz, Sheikh Abdullah b. Abdul Rahman b. Jibreen and Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Barrak. He is currently the imām of the Mosque of Omar b. Abdul Aziz al-Khobar.[15] He says:

“If a group thinks, for example, that it has established the Islamic state, its leader is the ‘Leader of the Believers’, that he should be listened to and obeyed by everyone, that anyone not under his command has rebelled against him, that [this ‘state’] has the authority to draw up borders, elect leaders over towns, that it has authority over public wealth, petrol, wheat and so on, that others should forcefully submit to them while they can stop whoever they want, that they have the sole authority of establishing Islamic courts and judges and that every court besides theirs is void, it has deviated. This will no doubt create competition over control of regions and eventually lead to a great Fitnah and bloodshed.”
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Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi:

Sheikh Muhammad al-Maqdisi is considered the guide of the ‘Jihadist Salafist’ movement in Jordan. His name is Issam Barqawi but is famously known as Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi. Far from siding with ISIS,[16] he says in a letter to the Mujāhidīn of Syria after hearing of ISIS and their behaviour with other fighters:

“…and we do not feel ashamed to declare that we are free from the actions of those who dare spill the blood of Muslims whoever they may be.” He further added: “How can you be expected to accommodate all Syrians including Christians and other sects [if you cannot even accommodate other Muslims]?”

Dr. Hassan Saleh b. Hamid:

Dr. Hassan Saleh has a PhD in the principles of Fiqh and Sharī’ah, he is the Director of the Institute of Higher Islamic Education at the Umm Al-Qura University in Makkah and is a Member of the (Islamic) Advisory council.[17] He says:

“No one going to Syria to fight is excused to be part of al-Baghadi’s faction for even a moment… they are a faction that brings Fitnah, whenever they are called to a court for religious arbitration they turn away and whenever a truce is declared, they reignite the war.”

since IS and BOKO started their madness tell me just ONE protest against these mad Muslim men that has so far surpassed in Muslim population, emotion and vigor the protest folowing Mohamed cartoon or the protest up North in Nigeria folowin a newspaper publication during the miss world peagent? ....,,,Islamic cleric "condemnation" my foot....mtscheeew

johnydon22:
and i bet u didnt know about what we call water bullets... lmao. get me the person and i will get my own gun and bullet, it will only take one bullet and we will be on our way to the cemetry...

....will u just stop making me spill my wine on my shirt ?