gebest:

i hope u no longer say ur daily prayers because its biblical and u are against anything dat is biblical.

Bidam:
The teachings of Jesus...quote for me Luke 6:38 using the AMP.

The teachings of Paul quote for me 2 cor 9:6 using the AMP.

Bidam:

I don't. And my local assembly doesn't. It is left to the conviction of the Christian. We do not keep records of tithers in our church, so i don't know who tithes and who does not.

Image123:


auntie me me me. Rubbish.

Bidam:
i mentioned givings that are done with the expectation of a reward . Or do you want me to quote those scriptures to you again..?na wa for this kind reasoning sha.

Bottom line: giving in the NT is reciprocal, it is never onesided to start with and that was why i quoted philipians 4:5 to you.

Bidam:

You keep confusing and conflating issues here. Some folks may feed off the tithes and offering of their members but to categorically make a generalised blanket statement that ALL church givings in the body of Christ WOLRDWIDE is done that way is WRONG!

Bidam:

but to categorically make a generalised blanket statement that ALL church givings in the body of Christ WOLRDWIDE is done that way is WRONG!

Bidam:

Moreso, the same Paul told folks who are ever parasitical not to be lazy abi dat wan no dey ur bible again?

Bidam:

It is a fallacy also on you part to say people should give without having an anticipation for a reward or return whichever way you put it because it goes against clear statements penned down by the one Paul wrote to the philipians and also the malachi scripture you are arguing about.

Bidam:

Paul actually taught givings are based on promised returns. Read your philipians.

Bidam:

What spirit is urging christians to give?

Bidam:

Yes God blessed them, but in what aspect are we talking about here. Pls provide a scripture.

Bidam:

So in other words the widow of zarephat who ministered to Elijah her last meal was also sourced from satan abi Why are you guys thinking this way sef?

vooks:

Paul used illustrations from Torah. Farmer, ox and the Levitical regime. Ministers MUST be supported but did you notice this is a RIGHT Paul withheld from invoking? So there is nothing magical in supporting ministers. If that was a ticket out of poverty, he would have recommended that to the poorest. He instead saw it as a BURDEN

Bidam:

There are people who believe saturday is a day to worship God with scriptures to back their claims. Are we to condemn them on a day they set aside to worship God? Or is it stated anywhere in the bible that sunday is a day of worship?

Zikkyy:

What exactly is the pastor teaching that will require quote from Malachi 3:8-10? tell me.

Bidam:

Giving to the church, just as Paul quoted the mosaic law to the corinthians.

Bidam:

It is scriptures that gave conditions not pastors. Pls go through those scriptures to see whether conditions are there or not.

Bidam:

You still err..there is nothing wrong in motivating folks to give if it is expressly stated in scriptures.e:g Paul motivated the corinthians to give by quoting the mosaic law.

Bidam:

He even went as far as telling the philipian church that because they gave is credited to their account insisting that based on their givings, his God will supply ALL their needs, why didn't Paul say God has blessed them before they gave

Bidam:

Trust me, most ministers with private jets you are envying do not rely on the givings of their members.

Bidam:

But on a serious note the reason why most people will agree to your arguments is simply because it appeals to common sense and logic.

Bidam:

Why give to a church that has a minister who owns a private jet?

vooks:

So did the Holy Spirit tell you that menstruation laws are not applicable for you? Because if scripture wisdom is as subjective as your revelation, then everything goes.d what is not. It can't be your private revelation sir. Otherwise if I woke up and started animal sacrifices while scoffing at others who are not into blood sacrifices, how can you help me?

Tithing is non-essential in the OT yet it is the one thing the Pharisee gloated before God in prayer, and it is one thing Jesus singled out in Pharisee self-righteousness. Am not surprised even today, it is a MAJOR doctrine among the evangelicals.

The Spirit teaches you the spirit behind circumcision,you abandon circumcision but retain the spiritual aspect of the same. Same case as the Feasts, but I find it decidedly convenient that you were taught the spirit behind OT tithes, you understood that BUT retained the physical tithing as well. Is this not inconsistent application of scriptures?

Am driving that there are clear objective principles we follow in picking what part of Moses is applicable to us and what is not

When you run out of sense, it is convenient to accuse your debater of being argumentative

Bidam:

There is nothing wrong in quoting malachi 3 just as there is nothing wrong in quoting genesis to revelation for doctrine.

Bidam:

Is tithe not in your bible?

gebest:

some churches are offering burnt offering, CELE for example.

Bidam:

To categorically lay claim that God did not promise to bless those who give is also a big error on your part. There are plethora of scriptures that says God will reward those who give.

Bidam:

or maybe he feels he is enriching the mogs like some of you are saying here.

Bidam:

Atleast you are coming around to my point concerning those who are free to express themselves to tithe without antitithers breathing down their necks as if it is their money.

Zikkyy:

Giving is good (in whatever form) and should be encouraged, but Christians should not be coerced to giving. For me, the practice of tithing should be personal (and from the heart) as i see nothing wrong with one offering a tenth of his earnings to the Church to show appreciation to the Almighty for his goodness. The act of giving by today’s Christians appears to have been commercialized as most givers sees the act as an investment (a return is expected in the form of abundant blessings). This can be attributed to the prosperity preaching by the church.

Zikkyy:

It quite obvious that it requires the grace of God for one to be freed from bondage, especially one that is self imposed. I will just add my thoughts on what good christian living is all about (regarding the act of giving)

As a christian, one is required to meet the need of his/her neighbor without thought of reward. The act of christian giving is not a business. Giving should be done because it pleases you (gladdens your heart); because it gives joy to the recipient; because it is the right (Godly) thing to do; because it pleases God  anytime you give.

Giving in church in whatever form with the expectation that you will be swept away with a flood of blessing as you step outside the church premises (as windows of heaven will be opened) is not what christ preached. Giving should not be a business of give and take (this is in-sincerity on our part and is against what the Apostles preached). This is what the ultimate commandment is all about; Love God & love your neighbor as yourself. By doing this the need of those that lacks will continue to be satisfied from the surplus of those that have. Indirectly we have paid our tithe but not be a pre-determined percentage. We are Christians, and not jews and as a resulted not bounded by the law. The act of Christian giving has been twisted because of the issue of financial security.

Sadly only those live under the curse get cursed for non-compliance.

trustman:

Sacrifices are biblical in the sense that they are in the Bible but are christians still required to offer sacrifices today?
The answer is No. Why not?
Something better has replaced them.

Zikkyy:

Its time you realise we have Jews as Christians. Don't be surprise when we start sacrificing cash on the altar. anything to bring the cash into the house of God.

gebest:

d truth is dat u should pay ur tithes for it is biblical, so which other truth are u talking about.

Image123:

Your tithe hasn't been missed in heaven all this while.

MarkMiwerds:

but it sure is missed by the extortioner behind the pulpit

gebest:

my dear when u read ur bible pray 4 insight and understanding, wen Jesus said behold i will distroy this temple and raise it in 3days, i believe u will be asking how possible wil it be. My dear tel God to open ur eyes.

Image123:

How is tithe calculated in any age or form without basic maths?

Image123:

Tithe is a tenth and a tenth is ten percent of a whole....

Image123:

stop being ridiculous in your attempt to win an argument.

Image123:

Also, quit your selective reading, comprehension and memory retention of what you've read from me on tithes.

Bidam:

let the newbie enjoy his toys.

Bidam:

They should incline their ears more to the word of God.

Bidam:

They should incline their ears more to the word of God. Giving should be an act of worship emanating from the heart. Once that is settled it becomes a lifestyle borne out of love and devotion and not necessarily duty or because of some devourer.

Bidam:

Is it a command for christians to give?

Bidam:

Since someone is more blessed if he gives than receive, can we safely conclude the result of not giving is poverty?

gebest:

A CANAL MAN CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT, IF U OR UR WIFE OR UR CHILDREN ARE SICK ND U ADMIT DEM IN D HOSPITAL ND U AR SPENDING ON D BILLS DONT U KN DAT IS A DEVOURER, ABEG I KN FIT TALK JAREE, U READ D BIBLE BUT U DONT UNDERSTAND IT.

vooks:

The flawed logic is the argument that Christ nailed to the Cross Torah but not the practice of tithing that preceded Torah.

Bidam:

in the same way apostle Paul drew largely from OT scriptures and the Law of Moses to teach about christian giving for ministers of the gospel so it is in the same manner that many Christains express their giving in the form of tithes in their churches.

Bidam:
So are you saying there is nothing to be gleaned from Malachi just like Paul quoted the law of moses to teach the corinthians on GIVING to ministers?