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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 10:55am On Oct 24, 2014

Bidam:
Oh! So you now believe we give by faith and not by logic

I don't remember arguing that you cannot give by faith. i just don't see the link between what you are giving by faith and Malachi 3, or pastor's command to tithe. That's all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 10:35am On Oct 24, 2014

Zikkyy:
This is not about the many things that belong to the Lord; it is about the 'tithe' that belong to the Lord. Yes, the earth is the Lord's but he did not command that a tithe of the 'earth' be given to Him. Instead he requested for a tithe of Farm produce.

Image123:
Like the one Abraham gave et all, there goes the circle again.

Zikkyy:
What has Abrahams tithe gat to do with Leviticus 27 where God defined his tithe? Are you trying to extend God's definition of tithe?

Image123:
Abraham's tithe is as much the Word of God as is Leviticus. Are you trying to cut out of the Bible?

Let me repeat..we are not discussing the number of times tithe was mentioned in the bible, so i don't see the relevance of Abrahams tithe here. When God gave the command to tithe, did he mention Abraham's type of tithe? The answer is No! Nobody is saying Abraham's tithe is not biblical, but when it comes to determining what, how and where tithe was to be offered by the people of Israel Abraham's type of tithe cannot be considered.

Abraham gave a tithe of war boo.ty, but the Israelite were not required to tithe war boo.ty...

Numbers 31:25-30 (NIV)
25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. 27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.”

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 10:02am On Oct 24, 2014*

Image123:
You have resorted to the ridiculous, you used to present saner points than these, what happened.

trustman was right. Now that you are unable to face reality and have decided to use the emergency exit, all you do now is stand outside and throw stones at the people inside the building. If you really interested in knowing what happened, i will advise that you take some time to read the post from trustman (re-posted below)......

trustman:
Maybe like vooks said, logic and commonsense have taken leave of Image123.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 9:54am On Oct 24, 2014

Image123:
a tenth is a tithe.

Zikkyy:
what if the tenth is not offered/paid as tithe?

Image123:
a tenth is a tithe, offered or not.

Zikkyy:
you are saying...in a queue of vehicles waiting to purchase petrol at a station, the 'tenth' car is a tithe?

Zikkyy:
If we go by ya definition that "a tenth is a tithe", it therefore mean that the tenth car on the queue is a tithe, abi? Remember that ya definition did not say that all items must belong to one person. We can also say that the 'tenth' person (in a queue) waiting to pay for purchases at a check out counter is a tithe.

Image123:
Ridiculous conclusion, you forget deliberately that tithe is 10% of a whole.

Zikkyy:
unless you provide a proper definition of tithe, there is no way ya definition will make sense. you are yet to tell us if the tenth car waiting to be served at a petrol station should be offered as tithe to the Lord, or if the tenth person waiting to pay for purchases at a check out counter should be offered as tithe to the Lord.

Image123:
Those are foolish questions i do not need to deal with.

Hmmmn....It was you image123 that said.."a tenth is a tithe, offered or not"... now i provided examples of 'tenths' i just need you to confirm if these tenths are tithes. A simple Yes or No will do na. All am reading from you now is words like "ridiculous" or "foolish". why you dey fear na? Maybe some tenths are not tithe after all. Now you see your definition of tithe is not from God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 9:29am On Oct 24, 2014

Image123:
you forget deliberately that tithe is 10% of a whole.

Zikkyy:
Says who? ya pastor?

Image123:
Basic maths.

Basic maths? you rely on basic maths for ya tithing practice? So it is basic maths that says tithe is 10% of a whole? You can keep ya definition of tithe, we will go with the bible's definition. If you ever bothered to read the bible you will see that God's tithe ranges from 0 to 10%. Let me help you....

Leviticus 27:32 (NIV)
32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord.

God said every 'tenth animal' that passes under the shepherd's rod belong to him. if there are only 9 animal, there is no tithe (0%), and if you have 19 animals only one gets to pass under the shepherd's rod resulting in a tithe of 5.2%. It obvious that God was not considering percentages when he was defining his tithe.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 8:14pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
It is the altar that sanctifies the gift, and it is the temple that sanctifies the gold. Go, find time and God to learn what that means.

MarkMiwerds:
maybe you needs to find out what that means. Nadab and Abihu offered that which the Lord had not commanded. It did not become "sanctified" on the altar.

The Priests in Malachi offered sick and blind animals. They did not become "sanctified".

The comment by Image is used by pastors to justify the collection of tithe of blood money, armed robbery proceeds, tithe from prostitution e.t.c

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 7:56pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
Like the one Abraham gave et all, there goes the circle again.

What has Abrahams tithe gat to do with Leviticus 27 where God defined his tithe? Are you trying to extend God's definition of tithe?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 7:37pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
you forget deliberately that tithe is 10% of a whole.

Says who? ya pastor?

Image123:
you forget deliberately that tithe is 10% of a whole.

..and a whole what? a whole human being?

unless you provide a proper definition of tithe, there is no way ya definition will make sense. you are yet to tell us if the tenth car waiting to be served at a petrol station should be offered as tithe to the Lord, or if the tenth person waiting to pay for purchases at a check out counter should be offered as tithe to the Lord.

Image123:
you forget deliberately that tithe is 10% of a whole.

..and you forget that 10% of a whole may not be another whole. What is 10% of a whole egg? another whole egg?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 7:31pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
Ridiculous conclusion,

trustman was right afterall, this is you using the emergency exit.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:35pm On Oct 23, 2014

Bidam:
Inna...I need the revelation before i drop the 10% o

you no get faith be that grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:30pm On Oct 23, 2014

Bidam:
So what's your interpretation?

The answer to this ya question will require you to drop '10%' first grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:24pm On Oct 23, 2014

Bidam:
Na your bible talk am o..except you don switch alliance from Jesus worship to zango worship.. how u dey?

I dey kampe. even if bible talk something like that, you no interpret am very well.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:13pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
We've been through this before. Many things belong to the Lord in that chapter if you care to read through.

...and the Lord did not request for a tithe of the 'many things that belong to him'. His command was clear enough, he requested for a tithe of farm produce.

Image123:
It in no way implies that whatever is not written in that one chapter does not belong to the Lord. For goodness sake, the earth is the Lord's.

This is not about the many things that belong to the Lord; it is about the 'tithe' that belong to the Lord. Yes, the earth is the Lord's but he did not command that a tithe of the 'earth' be given to Him. Instead he requested for a tithe of Farm produce.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:00pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
At@ , you're the one saying not me. Learn to ask questions intelligently instead of stereotyping or carving your opinions on another.

Its not me 'carving ma opinions', it's the message you are sending. You told us 'a tenth is a tithe offered or not'. meaning all tenths are tithes.

Image123:
If your queue of cars belong to one person and are the same model, the tenth would be a tithe, which of course is 10%.

The cars at the petrol station owned by more than one person. If we go by ya definition that a tenth is a tithe, it therefore mean that the tenth car on the queue is a tithe, abi? Remember that ya definition did not say that all items must belong to one person. We can also say that the 'tenth' person (in a queue) waiting to pay for purchases at a check out counter is a tithe. So you understand why ya definition of tithe cannot be coming from God.

Image123:
When you calculate 10% of your 13children, the answer is the tenth which is your tithe.

10% of 13 children will require taking a whole and maybe an arm or leg from another child. Your tithing practice is definitely Babylonian. Can you imagine image123 tithing children, and in bits for that matter angry

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 3:47pm On Oct 23, 2014

MarkMiwerds:
God said His tithes were to go to Levites, widows, orphans & strangers in Israel. He said that it was to be observed as He had declared.

@image, i want to believe you are reading

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 3:42pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
Mind your business instead of worrying about the question i should be asking ma self.

I will mind ma business if you stop making ya business ma business.

As long as you or ya pastor continue to teach or refer to the pastoral tithe as God's tithe, i will continue to make ya business ma business

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 3:35pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
There is no where the bible makes any reference to a particular "God's tithe".

See the bit in blue font colour...

Leviticus 27:30-32 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 3:26pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
i no vex, i just dey talk true as per our last discussion.

I don't know what you talking about.

Image123:
A tithe is a tenth and a tenth is a tithe, offered or not.

@bolded, you are saying...in a queue of vehicles waiting to purchase petrol at a station, the 'tenth' car is a tithe? or in a family of 13, the 'tenth' child is a tithe, abi? You see ya self angry

Are you sure you are not practicing babylonian version of tithe?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 12:18pm On Oct 23, 2014

Bidam:
Who do you think the levites and descendants of Abraham gave their tithes to while in the loins of Abraham? When someone calls you a bible illterate now you get angry..SMH!

Na wa oh! so levites and descendants of Abraham tithed while in the loins of Abraham. I guess it's okay for me to say Bidam worshipped and offered sacrifices to Sango/other African gods while in the loins of his great.....grandfather.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 12:11pm On Oct 23, 2014

MarkMiwerds:
And notice Image's tithe nowhere resembles any tithe spoken of in the Bible.

I want to believe image123 pays the 'pastoral tithe'

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 12:08pm On Oct 23, 2014

Image123:
Oh here you are, the dishonest fellow who comes to this section to talk tithe.

if you dey vex, you vex for ya self. its not ma business.

Image123:
You forgot that a tithe is a tenth and a tenth is a tithe.

@bolded, what if the tenth is not offered/paid as tithe?

Image123:
You forgot that a tithe is a tenth and a tenth is a tithe. no matter how much you hate it, 10% continues to remain a tithe.

You know i don't have issues with ya definition of tithe (as long as you don't call it God's tithe angry

). You can define tithe anyhow you want. We know tithing was not restricted to God's people, the Egyptians, Babylonians e.t.c practiced tithing as well. the question you should be asking ya self is whose tithe are you paying?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Zikkyy(m): 6:40pm On Oct 22, 2014

Image123:
But for YEARS, you've being unable to produce scriptures or even twist any that bars or discouraged tithes on gentile soil.

Are you referring to God's tithe or pastoral tithe? God's tithe is strictly for the Jews. Pastoral tithe (instituted by pastors!) can be paid anywhere as long as there is a pastor to collect. after all it's their money

God's tithe:
Leviticus 27:30-33 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. 33 No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’”

Pastoral tithe (as defined by image 123):

Image123:
tithe is tithe, simply a tenth, 1/10 of anything or something.

Image123: Tithe just means 1/10, 10% of something........If you decide to pay your tithes today,its simply calculated as 10% of your earning,income,increase,wateva

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Car Talk › Re: Nigeria Begins Implementation Of 35% Levy On Imported New Vehicles by Zikkyy(m): 11:37am On Sep 18, 2014

femmy2010: Which do you think should be curbed first, Importation of petroleum or Importation of Tokunbo cars?
The answer to the above would tell you our government certainly didn't get their priority right.

True talk. We lose more foreign exchange to petroleum importation. local refining will create more jobs and encourage development of other industries like chemicals, plastic e.t.c

Car Talk › Re: Nigeria Begins Implementation Of 35% Levy On Imported New Vehicles by Zikkyy(m): 11:29am On Sep 18, 2014

femmy2010: You are certainly living in a different world other than the present .
Which do you think should be curbed first, Importation of petroleum or Importation of Tokunbo cars?
The answer to the above would tell you our government certainly didn't get their priority right.

Car Talk › Re: Nigeria Begins Implementation Of 35% Levy On Imported New Vehicles by Zikkyy(m): 11:28am On Sep 18, 2014

Nosyke: Try and be objective and look at the brighter side of this. How do you think we will attain self sufficiency and even grow if we continue relying on imported items even ordinary toothpick?

The government should start from here; encouraging local production of toothpick. No need to import CKD (raw materials), we have the wood. Nigeria is not ready for auto manufacturing. The auto policy was designed to bring joy to Stallion group and pain to Nigerians.

Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 4:01pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: INCOME IS SIMPLY YIELD OR INCREASE OR GAIN

I have two concerns here...

1. Have gone through the definitions you provided and am not able to find one that supports your comment above. Maybe you can help isolate the definition of income that support the above.

2. i don't see anything in your post that defines farm produce or Abrahams war boot.y as income.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 3:34pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: You are a dishonest fellow.

image123 don't take ya frustrations out on me, biko.

Image123: Those dictionaries are online and accessible to all, why did you decide to pick and choose

exactly! the reason i provided my source so readers can do further reading. If you were expecting me to scan the internet and post all available definition of income, am sorry i don't have the time for that. You asked for a definition of income and i gave you some. even concluded by saying "you can add ya own". indication that there's much more.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 2:59pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchisedek, it's what the Bible says. Was Jesus a king and a priest 'physically' like Melchisedek? Why must He collect them tithes 'physically'?

Honestly image123, i don't expect Jesus to collect tithe (physically or otherwise)! If you say Jesus must collect tithe, you have to explain how you arrived at such conclusion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 2:51pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: You are either lying or assuming a lot, i made no assertions.

You will then have to explain the posts below....

Image123: Tithe does not have to be given to levites only. By the way, we are not under the levitical priesthood but under Jesus, who is a priest after the order of Melchisedek. Melchisedek received tithes.

Image123: There is a royal priesthood after the order of Melchisedec in place today BTW. Nothing stops them from receiving the tithe if Melchisedec did.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 2:40pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: i do not see ONLY, do you?

The Leviticus command was directed at people whose source of livelihood goes beyond farming and cattle rearing to include fishing, hunting, wage earning (for the poor), selling e.t.c and God did not request for tithe of these other source of livelihood. The command was clear enough.

People looking to see if the word "only" was included in the command are people like your brother in Luke 18, (behaviour expected of a pharisee). We have a term for such behaviour, its called "over-sabi" a.k.a."ITK".

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 2:19pm On Aug 06, 2014

Image123: Was Abraham's tithe God's tithe? A plain direct answer would greatly aid progress.

We know the bible did not say that a tithe of war boot.y belong to the Lord.

Image123: You know the very context i refer to when i say there is nothing like God's tithe.

Maybe i don't. clarify please.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Lies About Tithes That You Should Know About. by Zikkyy(m): 9:35pm On Aug 05, 2014

Image123: What is income?

Investopedia:
Money that an individual or business receives in exchange for providing a good or service or through investing capital.

Free dictionary:
The amount of money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services, from the sale of goods or property, or as profit from financial investments.

Merriam webster:
a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor

Oxford dictionaries:
Money received, especially on a regular basis, for work or through investments

You can add ya own

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