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Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:23pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: I know of the general burnt offering, the sin offering and trespass offering. Burnt offering in the OT is usually for atonement. i also know burnt offering was offered for lepers, men and women with discharge, for purification of priests e.t.c so which principle is being addressed by the gift given to Paul? |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:16pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: In principle ke? let's take another look at ya post..... Bidam: you forgot to add "in principle" i don add am on ya behalf (see below), no need to thank me. what are friends for.... Bidam: |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:07pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: So there is no law that says "thou shall not have more than one wife" or even say "thou shall not have more than one wife at any point in time" since the law allowed for divorce and joagbaje says the law is the foundation of rightness or wrong. Bidam: This is ya interpretation, not a law. Bidam: three people cannot become one flesh, but nothing stop the man from becoming one flesh with different women. e.g. Bidam can become one flesh with Anita, then marry Bimbe and also become one flesh with her, then collect Ngozi and join to become one flesh. abi? after all some of God's people in the OT had plenty wives which they cleaved to (individually) to become one flesh. There was no law that says they could only have one. Bidam: Are you now relying on Jesus & Paul for foundational knowledge what happened to the law? Bidam: Being a God lover did not stop you from being a lover of the mosaic law na |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:26pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: 1. what exactly is this word of God you want me to accept? 2. by acceptance, are you saying i implement i.e put into practice this word of God or are you saying i should accept as true (believe)? |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:23pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: so burnt offering is still relevant? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 2:22pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: I don answer this question before na. you people pretend not to see it. Na you want Ajayikayod to waste his time responding to it anyway, i have one question for you; according to the law of moses, is it a sin for a Christian to marry more than one wife? Bidam: That's the problem with you lovers of the law, always looking for written documentation to prove that an action is either sin or not. So if it is not written, it cannot be sin abi? |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:58pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
ajayikayod: maybe that's the reason why some 'Christians' cheat in business. because there is no law that says "thou shall not cheat when conducting business transactions" Joagbaje, please note |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:37pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
ajayikayod: tithe is one if not the only reason for holding on to the mosaic law. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 1:33pm On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: if i talk now, you will accuse me of ridiculing ya posts, but the truth of the matter is that i don't understand what you are saying up there Bidam: You are deceiving ya self not me. The Christian tithers i know tithe because the law says so Bidam: you use the law to back up ya faith which law BTW Bidam: you can continue to tell yaself that, but we know the truth |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:33am On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: Okay. i have to say i had difficulty reconciling the the post below with the topic. the post is not even a defence for the charges against you (the highlighted bit) i don't see how newton's law or law of aerodynamics prove you are not justifying the mosaic law as a way of righteousness with God Bidam: |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:24am On Jan 07, 2014 |
Alwaystrue: my sister, i don't read wrong. i know what am talking about .....and BTW saying somebody is writing out of point does not translate to saying the point being made is true or false; it means the point is not properly or not even addressing the topic. Alwaystrue: i never told anyone i have problem with paul. Alwaystrue: Again, who told you am afraid of any law? is my post suggesting some fear of the law? my sister, i strongly believe you are the one reading wrong o. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:00am On Jan 07, 2014 |
Bidam: You are still writing 'out of point' i read Alwaystrue attempting to guide you in the right direction without making it so obvious, but you don't see it. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 8:57am On Jan 07, 2014 |
mba emeka: This is the problem. the 'recreated spirit' does not live by the law or whatever the law is showing. Alwaystrue provided a better explanation below. focus on the highlighted bit.... Alwaystrue: |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:21pm On Jan 06, 2014 |
Joagbaje: i provided a response to ya question na. But as expected you pretend not to see it |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:38pm On Jan 06, 2014 |
Bidam: oK..IF YOUR HEADACHE is cured.. you can come back to the main gist of the thread. yes o. knowing that you have nothing to say cured my headache |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 4:08pm On Jan 06, 2014 |
Joagbaje: The law is relevant for the following categories of peeps..... "lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine" |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 3:54pm On Jan 06, 2014 |
Bidam: I am in line.. How can you be in line when you are posting out of point? what has "is the bible the word of God" gat to do with my comment that there will be confusion in church the day pastor present a bible containing the gospel according to apostle joagbaje? Bidam: How? did you read me changing my original statement? Bidam: because you are of the view not everything written in the bible is the word of God, joagbaje can add his gospel to the bible abi? BTW are you now saying joagbaje can also include his own gospel even though it has nothing to do with God? i believe that is what you meant when you said "Ofcos you have forgotten that it is not everything in the bible that is the word of God" |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 11:38am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Bidam: Yawns...Is bible the Word of God? you see ya self? you are now discussion something else. you should be asking if joagbaje's post is the word of God that's what we are discussing. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:46am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Bidam: So is most of Joagbage's posts not bible quotations.Why you dey fool yasef na? so you believe some people will wake up one morning and start adding "bible quotations" by Joagbaje to the bible? so if they were to add the gospel according to joagbaje we will be seeing something like this...... The Gospel according to Joagbaje..... Chapter one.. Verse 1 - “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Verse 2 - “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. Verse 3 - I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ Verse 4 - If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? e.t.c..... since you believe joagbaje's understanding/views are irrelevant, i want to believe the above make sense to you... |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:00am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Bidam: Is nairaland your church? Olodo.. you wanted me to say nairaland go scatter abi? e be like say you never wake up this morning, you still dey dream. bible is used only in nairaland abi? maybe you forgot to read the post i was responding to. because its you i will post it again.... Joagbaje: focus on the bit highlighted... |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 8:17am On Jan 06, 2014 |
Joagbaje: church go scatter if this kin thing happen |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 11:42pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Gombs: how you take know? I don climb bed already. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 11:31pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Gombs: Thats is your view. This thread is about relevance of the mosaic law, it is not about the bit in Jesus comments meant only for the jews amd those meant for Christians. When I engage in a topic, I stay on topic, I don't allow myself to be distracted. I see it as an escape route for the other fellow. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 11:22pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Gombs: a yes or no is the easy part. It's just that the question results from a poor understanding of my post. Responding will not help anybody. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 11:18pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Alwaystrue: @Gombs, I always knew you are way smarter than most law lovers around here. This is what I expect you to preach; the lessons learnt. Matthews 23:23 was never encouraging or instructing Christians to tithe, it was about using an illustration/referring to a behavioural trait the pharisees will understand cos it something they do. Just pray that image123 will be reading ya post above. Once again, I say thank you |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:57pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Gombs: this is not he objective of this thread. It's not in my nature to lose focus. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:53pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Bidam: So when Jesus told a nicodemus pharisee to be born again..was that meant for ONLY jewish audience why you dey ask? Do you read me saying all communications with pharisees were meant for only jewish audience |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:46pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Gombs: one problem you have is to assume you know too much. Do you read me saying "all" other things? I provided an example, that is not to say that was the only thing directed at the jews. Always request for clarification so you don't end up making false accusations. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:16pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Alwaystrue: of course. Even though some of the things he said were actually meant for the jews and not for Christians (e.g. the need to tithe in matthew 23:23), it does not change the fact that every single thing Christ said is truth 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 10:11pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Alwaystrue: thank God for this. Joagbaje I hope you are reading 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:52pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Bros take it easy na. |
Religion / Re: Without The Law There's No Foundation Of Rightness Or Wrong by Zikkyy(m): 9:47pm On Jan 05, 2014 |
Joagbaje: for me, saying the law been abolished has nothing to do with change of principles, it is about how you respond to God's commandments. saying the law been abolished is saying true Christian do by nature the moral requirements in the mosaic law and much more. They've gone past the foundation knowledge stage. 1 Like |
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