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Bidam: yes it is( in principle so to speak) Let's see what Paul penned down by the help of the Holy GHOST.

Philippians 4:18
Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, [size=16pt]a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God.[/size]


"A sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice" is Old Testament language taken from the Levitical offerings (Ex 29:18; Ezek 10:41; Gen 8:21; Lev 1:9,13,17; 2:12).. Their gift smells sweet to God. It has the fragrance of perfume to God. This is an offering that pleases God.

So you can see how you are shooting yourself in the foot here.

I know of the general burnt offering, the sin offering and trespass offering. Burnt offering in the OT is usually for atonement. i also know burnt offering was offered for lepers, men and women with discharge, for purification of priests e.t.c so which principle is being addressed by the gift given to Paul?

Bidam: yes it is( in principle so to speak)

In principle ke? let's take another look at ya post.....

Bidam: So Moses,Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, etc,.. ALL spoke by the Same Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New.

you forgot to add "in principle" i don add am on ya behalf (see below), no need to thank me. what are friends for....

Bidam: So Moses,Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, etc,.. ALL spoke by the Same Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New in principle.

Bidam: So is the account in genesis not written by Moses? Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So there is no law that says "thou shall not have more than one wife" or even say "thou shall not have more than one wife at any point in time" since the law allowed for divorce and joagbaje says the law is the foundation of rightness or wrong.

Bidam: So is the account in genesis not written by Moses? Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

This is ya interpretation, not a law.

Bidam: Three people cannot become one flesh na..ONLY TWO.

three people cannot become one flesh, but nothing stop the man from becoming one flesh with different women. e.g. Bidam can become one flesh with Anita, then marry Bimbe and also become one flesh with her, then collect Ngozi and join to become one flesh. abi? after all some of God's people in the OT had plenty wives which they cleaved to (individually) to become one flesh. There was no law that says they could only have one.

Bidam: Jesus (in Matthew) and Paul (in Eph) repeat this idea:
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Are you now relying on Jesus & Paul for foundational knowledge what happened to the law?

Bidam: Point of correction ayam a God lover. I love Him BY OBEYING HIS commandments WHICH ARE NOT EVEN BURDENSOME.

Being a God lover did not stop you from being a lover of the mosaic law na

Bidam: Accept the word of God as it is,Don't run away or shy from it.

1. what exactly is this word of God you want me to accept?
2. by acceptance, are you saying i implement i.e put into practice this word of God or are you saying i should accept as true (believe)?

Bidam: So Moses,Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, etc,.. ALL spoke by the Same Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not contradict. What He said in the Old is still relevant in the New.

so burnt offering is still relevant?

Bidam: @ Ajayikayod..Could you please answer the question the OP posed from the beginning of the thread about inbreeding. Thanks. It will go a long way to help us here.

I don answer this question before na. you people pretend not to see it. Na you want Ajayikayod to waste his time responding to it

anyway, i have one question for you; according to the law of moses, is it a sin for a Christian to marry more than one wife?

Bidam: No where was it written in new testament teachings that inbreeding and the likes of it is wrong.

That's the problem with you lovers of the law, always looking for written documentation to prove that an action is either sin or not. So if it is not written, it cannot be sin abi?

ajayikayod: Wat a believer would i hav been, if Moses is my foundation of knowing God's mind. I would hav lust and still believ i didnt fornicate, i would hav hate and still believ i v not kill, i would hav hate, persecute my enemy and still believ i m in God, infact i could giv under compulsion and think God is happy.

maybe that's the reason why some 'Christians' cheat in business. because there is no law that says "thou shall not cheat when conducting business transactions"

Joagbaje, please note

ajayikayod: Why do u always refer to tithe on all issues, is dt ur motive for most discussions or d reason why some hav to defend d Moses at all cost?

tithe is one if not the only reason for holding on to the mosaic law.

Bidam: Never mind..Those who read my post understand it and are not complaining. You can see i paragraphed it. Why do we use paragraphs in sentences? My first paragraphed was to reiterate and defend my previous post and positions in this thread.
The second paragraph is another point i am making that Faith in itself is a law. It is our nature, just like other natural laws i showed as examples. It comes automatically via new birth. We do not do what we do because it is written only in God's law. We do it because it is the Spirit of God in us that says we should do it and the Word of God validates this. God does not do anything without his word. The word and the Spirit go together.

if i talk now, you will accuse me of ridiculing ya posts, but the truth of the matter is that i don't understand what you are saying up there

Bidam: And that is why i keep on telling you that Christians tithe by Faith and not because the law says so.

You are deceiving ya self not me. The Christian tithers i know tithe because the law says so

Bidam: The law is there to back up our Faith actions.

you use the law to back up ya faith which law BTW

Bidam: I will keep saying this till it sinks in. The Holy Spirit is the one telling me to do the works of righteousness.

you can continue to tell yaself that, but we know the truth

Bidam: How is it out of point..?

Okay. i have to say i had difficulty reconciling the the post below with the topic. the post is not even a defence for the charges against you (the highlighted bit) i don't see how newton's law or law of aerodynamics prove you are not justifying the mosaic law as a way of righteousness with God

Bidam: Thank you sis.. The way and manner these guys are trying to lay a charge against me that i am justifying the mosaic law as a way of righteousness with God is really disheartening. There is no where my post says that.

The Christian Faith in it self is EVEN A LAW.The apostle Paul said, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith." (Romans 3:27).
When we look at natural or scientific laws, like the law of gravity, or the law of aerodynamics, or Newton's laws of motion, they are laws that work consistently every time without fail (assuming nothing supernatural intervenes). Faith also is a law which when operated properly works every time without fail. By using the law of faith we can obtain any of the promises of God.

Alwaystrue: My new year gift to you...you read wrong! I was simply given explanation to what He said.

my sister, i don't read wrong. i know what am talking about .....and BTW saying somebody is writing out of point does not translate to saying the point being made is true or false; it means the point is not properly or not even addressing the topic.

Alwaystrue: Paul said there is a law of Faith which is also same as the law of the Spirit. So Bidam;'s quote of Paul is in order. Or are you afraid to face and do justice to the word Paul spoke here?

i never told anyone i have problem with paul.

Alwaystrue: Why are you so afraid of God's law? Do you think Faith is lawless?

Again, who told you am afraid of any law? is my post suggesting some fear of the law? my sister, i strongly believe you are the one reading wrong o.

Bidam: Thank you sis.. The way and manner these guys are trying to lay a charge against me that i am justifying the mosaic law as a way of righteousness with God is really disheartening. There is no where my post says that.

The Christian Faith in it self is EVEN A LAW.The apostle Paul said, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith." (Romans 3:27).

You are still writing 'out of point' i read Alwaystrue attempting to guide you in the right direction without making it so obvious, but you don't see it.

mba emeka: Nobody here is extolling the law as a justifier. We are only showing you that it is important in showing what is right and wrong for the recreated spirit to live by.

This is the problem. the 'recreated spirit' does not live by the law or whatever the law is showing. Alwaystrue provided a better explanation below. focus on the highlighted bit....

Alwaystrue: A person who is saved looks at God's laws and says 'for me not to fall into this sin or do right, I have to ensure the root of that sin is dealth with.
How will I be able to act right towards my fellow man? By ensuring I harbour the right heart towards. As long as I do good to a person, I must love that person from the heart first even before action.'

Joagbaje: I asked a question which I'm yet to have an answer . If a man has carnal knowledge of his own daughter is it a sin? If it is who says so. The foundation is in the law. The only ground paul could condemn the action of a brother who had carnal knowledge of his fathers wife was because it was condemned in the law .

i provided a response to ya question na. But as expected you pretend not to see it

Bidam: oK..IF YOUR HEADACHE is cured.. you can come back to the main gist of the thread.

yes o. knowing that you have nothing to say cured my headache

Joagbaje: My point is that the law is still very relevance because it contains foundational principles .

The law is relevant for the following categories of peeps.....

"lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine"

Bidam: I am in line..

How can you be in line when you are posting out of point? what has "is the bible the word of God" gat to do with my comment that there will be confusion in church the day pastor present a bible containing the gospel according to apostle joagbaje?

Bidam: You are the guy here shifting the goal post.

How? did you read me changing my original statement?

Bidam: Ofcos you have forgotten that it is not everything in the bible that is the word of God.bible simply means goodnews.

because you are of the view not everything written in the bible is the word of God, joagbaje can add his gospel to the bible abi? BTW are you now saying joagbaje can also include his own gospel even though it has nothing to do with God? i believe that is what you meant when you said "Ofcos you have forgotten that it is not everything in the bible that is the word of God"

Bidam: Yawns...Is bible the Word of God?

you see ya self? you are now discussion something else. you should be asking if joagbaje's post is the word of God that's what we are discussing.

Bidam: So is most of Joagbage's posts not bible quotations.Why you dey fool yasef na?

so you believe some people will wake up one morning and start adding "bible quotations" by Joagbaje to the bible? so if they were to add the gospel according to joagbaje we will be seeing something like this......

The Gospel according to Joagbaje.....

Chapter one..
Verse 1 - “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Verse 2 - “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings.
Verse 3 - I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
Verse 4 - If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
e.t.c.....

since you believe joagbaje's understanding/views are irrelevant, i want to believe the above make sense to you...

Bidam: Is nairaland your church? Olodo..

you wanted me to say nairaland go scatter abi? e be like say you never wake up this morning, you still dey dream.

bible is used only in nairaland abi? maybe you forgot to read the post i was responding to. because its you i will post it again....

Joagbaje: My post on Nairaland can be added to the future bible too.

focus on the bit highlighted...

Joagbaje: My post on Nairaland can be added to the future bible too.

church go scatter if this kin thing happen

Gombs:
Just go and sleep

how you take know? I don climb bed already.

Gombs: It is o... I understand why u can't say it....tis simply because one would need another lie to support a lie...

Cheers

Thats is your view. This thread is about relevance of the mosaic law, it is not about the bit in Jesus comments meant only for the jews amd those meant for Christians. When I engage in a topic, I stay on topic, I don't allow myself to be distracted. I see it as an escape route for the other fellow.

Gombs: A yes or No to bidam's kweshun would be just fine

a yes or no is the easy part. It's just that the question results from a poor understanding of my post. Responding will not help anybody.

Alwaystrue: @Gombs,
Jesus words were not directed to a people because of who they were but because of what they did. Is it not obvious?
Anyone who strains at little things and allows a bigger sin pass is a hypocrite. He does not need the pharisee tag.
Anyone who shows outward piety but his inside is full of all kinds of evil thoughts, intentions, vices, the person has a woe hanging on his head, it is not about being a pharisee.
May the veil be removed from the eyes of those who believe Christ was speaking to a certain sect because of who they were not because of what they did wrong.

Jesus was simply bringing to light the motives of their heart, per scripture, not focusing on their outward show of goodness.

I always knew you are way smarter than most law lovers around here. This is what I expect you to preach; the lessons learnt. Matthews 23:23 was never encouraging or instructing Christians to tithe, it was about using an illustration/referring to a behavioural trait the pharisees will understand cos it something they do. Just pray that image123 will be reading ya post above. Once again, I say thank you

Gombs: What other thing was directed to the jews?

this is not he objective of this thread. It's not in my nature to lose focus.

Bidam: So when Jesus told a nicodemus pharisee to be born again..was that meant for ONLY jewish audience

why you dey ask? Do you read me saying all communications with pharisees were meant for only jewish audience

Gombs: all other things Jesus said "was for 'Christians' " but the tithe part was for Jews.... so, Jesus had two audiences he was addressing at the time...even though the apostles were first called Christians in antioch!....fascinating.

Una dey try o

one problem you have is to assume you know too much. Do you read me saying "all" other things? I provided an example, that is not to say that was the only thing directed at the jews. Always request for clarification so you don't end up making false accusations.

Alwaystrue: Every single thing Christ said is Truth!

of course. Even though some of the things he said were actually meant for the jews and not for Christians (e.g. the need to tithe in matthew 23:23), it does not change the fact that every single thing Christ said is truth

Alwaystrue: Jesus Christ is the foundation........

thank God for this. Joagbaje I hope you are reading

DrummaBoy: Pleasse don't insult my intelligence. Don't ever in your whole life compare Rhaphsody of Realities with Paul's epistles. Don't ever try it again. Paul started every epistle he wrote with the stamp of his apostolic office; how dare you compare him Chris Oyakhilome!

There is only one thing I want to hear from you law advocates and that is this "Paul was not an inspired author of scriptures" and I will be done with you on this forum. But as long as you do not have the boldiness to say that and you keep going round in circles, with some comparing Paul with Chris, then we will continue to forbear with you.

Bros take it easy na.

Joagbaje: Gods principles hasn't changed

for me, saying the law been abolished has nothing to do with change of principles, it is about how you respond to God's commandments.

saying the law been abolished is saying true Christian do by nature the moral requirements in the mosaic law and much more. They've gone past the foundation knowledge stage.