As I was passing the State House in Columbia, SC, I noticed the Confederate flag waving in the breeze behind a large, decorated Christmas tree. The contrast of symbols caught my attention. To most people, the tree nominally symbolizes the season of Christmas and the focus on the first coming of Jesus Christ. For some people any representation of a spiritual reality on public property is a travesty against their rights. The flag, however, has become more controversial. For some, the Confederate flag merely symbolizes a past conflict, for others it represents a spirit of independence and state’s rights, and for still others it is an ugly reminder of when one people group enslaved another. Thus, we have one symbol with several different meanings.

This is similar to the word “Allah.” For most Muslims, Allah is the only God and therefore must be the same God as the one that the Jews and Christians worship. Similarly, for some Christians, Allah is just another name for the one God of the universe. For others, however, the Muslim Allah and the biblical Yahweh are contradictory and cannot refer to the same being, for, they say, “how can the God of Muhammad be the Father of Jesus Christ?” The question before us, then, is whether the terms “Allah” and “Yahweh” are just two names for the same God, or are they referring to different Gods? (And since there can only be one true God, the ultimate question is, “if they are different, which one is the true God?”)

Let’s first look at the origin and meaning for the term “Allah.” Allah probably comes from the Aramaic compound term “al-ilah,” which means “the god.” It is a generic term for the highest god of the people, and in Arabia it was in use for centuries before Muhammad came on the scene. Apparently it was one of the 360 gods worshipped in the ka’aba in Mecca, and was the chief god for the Quraysh tribe, which was the tribe Muhammad belonged to. In the pre-Islamic time, Allah had three daughters, Al-At, Al-Uzza, and Al-Manat. In Muhammad’s campaign against polytheism he chose Allah as the one true God and rejected the notion that Allah could have any daughters or sons. The Allah from the Qur’an, however, is very different from the Yahweh of the Bible.

For one thing, Allah is a distant, remote being who reveals his will but not himself. It is impossible to know him in a personal way. In his absolute oneness there is unity but not trinity, and because of this lack of relationship, love is not emphasized. Indeed, for the Muslim, Allah cannot have any associates. In fact, to claim that Jesus is God’s son is the greatest of all sins in Islam and is known as “shirk.” Allah is also an arbitrary God and is said to deceive people, especially unbelievers. In the end, even for the devout Muslim there is no guarantee of salvation because in his arbitrariness Allah may reject the believer’s good works and send him to hell. Thus, even if one’s good works outweighed his bad works salvation is ultimately up to the Will of Allah, which is arbitrary at best.

When we look at Yahweh, however, who is the God of the Bible, we see a different kind of deity. First of all, the name “Yahweh” comes from the time that God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. At that time God told Moses to call him “I am that I am,” or in Hebrew, “Yahweh.” It is significant that Jesus referred to himself as the “I am” in John 8:58. The Jews realized that Jesus was referring to himself as God and took up stones to stone him for what they believed was blasphemy. This link between Jesus in the New Testament and the burning bush in the Old Testament demonstrates the unity of the one God manifested to both the Jews and the Christians.

This cannot be said of the Muslim God because Muslims reject the deity of Jesus and therefore reject much of what the New Testament says about Jesus. We also find that the Bible portrays Yahweh in contrast to Allah. For example, Allah is considered to be too holy to have personal relationships with man, but Yahweh is often described as a loving God interested in our personal struggles. Yahweh is also depicted as unchanging and One who assures the salvation of the faithful. Finally, because there is unity ( edited ) with the one God , God can be described as the Father of Jesus.


Some scholars want to emphasize the similarities between Yahweh and Allah, and point to a common belief in a monotheistic God who is Creator of all things, omnipotent and merciful. Both religions also claim that God has sent prophets to reveal His will and produce scriptures to guide our lives. However, Allah and Yahweh cannot refer to the same person for the following reasons. First of all, their attributes are different. In Allah’s monadic oneness his attributes stem from his powerful Will which, because it provides no basis for relationship, often promotes capriciousness. Also, since his power is more important then his other attributes, there is an unequal emphasis on power over his other attributes. In the end, a follower cannot know God or even be sure of the consistency of his attributes. On the other hand, because Yahweh is by nature a triune unity his attributes stem from his nature.

The eternal relationship within the Trinity promotes love within the Godhead and extends to his creation. Also, since his attributes are based on his unchanging nature rather than his powerful will, all his attributes are equal and promote trustworthiness rather than capriciousness. This means that believers can know God and be sure of his attributes. Second, Christians understand the nature of God to be triune (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), which is the only way that Jesus Christ, could die on the cross to pay for our sins. If Jesus were not God himself, then his death on the cross would be meaningless.

However, Muslims deny that Jesus died on the cross and they reject the belief in his resurrection from the dead. Only a triune God, defined as one essence, could become incarnate and still remain God of the universe, and yet this is the God that Muslims reject. For them, Jesus cannot be God nor can God be a Father, for he cannot have a son. Therefore, if Muslims reject God as the Father of Jesus, then Allah cannot be the same as the God of the Bible.

But wait a minute, some will say. What about the Arabic Christians who call the God of the Bible “Allah”? Doesn’t this illustrate the fact that Allah and Yahweh are referring to the same God? Actually, when the Arabic Christians refer to “Allah” in their translation of the Bible, they believe that “Allah” is the father of Jesus and they believe that “Allah” is triune. Therefore, the Allah of the Arabic Christians cannot be the same Allah of the Muslims! This semantic [shibboleth] strangulation can be cleared up if we remember that words have both a denotative and a connotative meaning. Denotation refers to a dictionary definition, so it would be correct to say that Yahweh and Allah both refer to the concept of God, especially for their respective language groups.

However, the connotation is determined by what a person conceives about the object of that word. For example, an Arab Christian may still use the word “Allah” to denote God, but his understanding of that term would be starkly different from a Muslim, for the Christian would recognize that Jesus Christ is God (Allah) whereas the Muslim would never consider that connotation. Thus, denotatively the word “allah” merely refers to “god, deity, etc.” However, we understand the denotative use by our connotative presuppositions. Therefore, “Allah” for the Muslim cannot be reconciled with the “Jesus is Allah” of the Arabic Christians. There is still a world of difference between the content of the word (connotation), even if the denotation is the same. Without this very important distinction made when we refer to “Allah” and “God” (Yahweh), a lot of Christians will be confused.

After comparing the Allah of the Qur’an and the Yahweh of the Bible, it should be apparent that they could not be referring to the same God. Either the Muslim Allah is the true God or the Christian Yahweh is the true God, or neither is true. As the Law of non-Contradiction teaches, they both cannot be true. One thing should be sure, though, the God of Muhammad cannot be the Father of Jesus.

Mr. Daniel Janosik
Adjunct Faculty (Apologetics), Columbia International University

Article edited by Frosbel

No, Allah of the muslims is similar to Yahweh of the Jews(Not that of the christians who died for three days living his throne empty) who believe in absolute monotheism(Belief in One God with no attachment) .

If you reframe the question, thus "IS YAHWEH OF THE JEWS SIMILAR TO YAHWEH OF THE CHRISTIANS" AND AND A ASK JEW ,THE ANSWER WILL BE A CAPITAL NO, COS THE JEWS HAD NO IDEA THE YAHWEH THEY WORSHIPPED WAS A MAN WHO DRANK EAT SLEPT CRUCIFIED BY HIS OWN CREATION AND DIED FOR THREE DAYS( GOD DYING FOR THREE DAYS IS IN CONTRAST WITH THE VERY NATURE OF GOD).

SO AT LEAST WE AGREE ON ONE THING THE GOD OF THE MUSLIMS IS NOT SAME AS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS RATHER ALLAH OF THE MUSLIMS IS SAME AS YAHWEH OF THE JEWS.
In a nutshell I agree with you

The OP:

SO AT LEAST WE AGREE ON ONE THING THE GOD OF THE MUSLIMS IS NOT SAME AS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS RATHER ALLAH OF THE MUSLIMS IS SAME AS YAHWEH OF THE JEWS.
In a nutshell I agree with you

Thank You ! We all agree with this.

"Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son." - 1 John 2:22

Well I said I agree with you on the basis that christians worship Jesus as their God, a belief both muslims and jews will not agree with.

As such I conclude that :

Christians worship Jesus as their creator.

Jews worship Yahweh (who had no children)

Muslims worships Allah they believe to be the God of abraham.


At the end of the day these are just beliefs Nobody REALLY KNOWS , everybody has a point.

Allah was an Idol, the Arabic god of the moon. Allah predates Mohammed, Mohammed only came to make it the only god worthy of worship, destroying other gods in the Ka'aba.

Mr clown am no muslim but it just irritates me when you go about peddling lies.

If anbody is engaging in idolatory its you and your christian cohort and your MAN-WORSHIP.

You say Allah of the muslims was an idol Ahmad sort to glorify over other gods, applying this sense to the people of moses we can conclude that Jehovah was an Idol moses sort to glorify over other gods.

. Mr clown am no muslim but it just irritates me when you go about peddling lies.

If anbody is engaging in idolatory its you and your christian cohort and your MAN-WORSHIP.

You say Allah of the muslims was an idol Ahmad sort to glorify over other gods, applying this sense to the people of moses we can conclude that Jehovah was an Idol moses sort to glorify over other gods.

Allah said, his is the only one that can lead someone aright. If jesus is God as u claimed to be. Pls answer the following questions

1. Can satan temptd "GOD"?
2 . IF JESUS IS GOD WHY HE DIDNT KNOW WHEN THE WORLD WE COME TO AN END?
3. WHEN SATAN TEMPTED HIM(JESUS) WHO WAS HE PRAYING TO?
4. IF JESUS IS GOD, WHY IS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE HE COULD REDEEMD ALL HIS CREATURE.
5 WHEN THEY CALLED HIM GOOD MASTER, WHY DID HE SAY NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT THE ONE THAT SENT HIM

6 IF TRULY, HE HAS DIED FOR OUR SINS, WHY WOMEN STILL GO THRU LABOUR PAIN?

7 WHEN HE CAME DOWN TO WORLD, WHO WAS RULING HIS THRONE

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@Frosbel: You need to be put down ones and for all. How is Allah same with man God Jesus who is a massiah Isa bin Maryam [as]?

How is Allah same with ghost God nameless who is Jibril [malaika] [as]?

How is Allah same with father God who gets tired and needs to be refreshed, not full of knowledge as he discovered after events he regretted?

Frosbel, Allah Rabbi Alamin, Rahman, Rahim, AlHayy, AlQayum, Al Alim, Al Hakim, etc.

Please stop showing us that you have One God because from your mouth, you dont. You do have 3 Gods, though.

doctorbabs: Allah said, his is the only one that can lead someone aright. If jesus is God as u claimed to be. Pls answer the following questions

1. Can satan temptd "GOD"?
2 . IF JESUS IS GOD WHY HE DIDNT KNOW WHEN THE WORLD WE COME TO AN END?
3. WHEN SATAN TEMPTED HIM(JESUS) WHO WAS HE PRAYING TO?
4. IF JESUS IS GOD, WHY IS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE HE COULD REDEEMD ALL HIS CREATURE.
5 WHEN THEY CALLED HIM GOOD MASTER, WHY DID HE SAY NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT THE ONE THAT SENT HIM

6 IF TRULY, HE HAS DIED FOR OUR SINS, WHY WOMEN STILL GO THRU LABOUR PAIN?

7 WHEN HE CAME DOWN TO WORLD, WHO WAS RULING HIS THRONE

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Leads someone aright by Abrogation? Common...

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: You need to be put down ones and for all. How is Allah same with man God Jesus who is a massiah Isa bin Maryam [as]?

How is Allah same with ghost God nameless who is Jibril [malaika] [as]?

How is Allah same with father God who gets tired and needs to be refreshed, not full of knowledge as he discovered after events he regretted?

Frosbel, Allah Rabbi Alamin, Rahman, Rahim, AlHayy, AlQayum, Al Alim, Al Hakim, etc.

Please stop showing us that you have One God because from your mouth, you dont. You do have 3 Gods, though.

please tell him and i'll also suggest he get a copy of the book titled 'The World of the Jinn & Devils' by Umar S. al-Ashqar if he really wants knowledge.

frosbel: As I was passing the State House in Columbia, SC, I noticed the Confederate flag waving in the breeze behind a large, decorated Christmas tree. The contrast of symbols caught my attention. To most people, the tree nomi........... should be apparent that they could not be referring to the same God. Either the Muslim Allah is the true God or the Christian Yahweh is the true God, or neither is true. As the Law of non-Contradiction teaches, they both cannot be true. One thing should be sure, though, the God of Muhammad cannot be the Father of Jesus.

Mr. Daniel Janosik
Adjunct Faculty (Apologetics), Columbia International University

Article edited by Frosbel

Oneness of God of different religions

Every religion says that its God created the entire earth and entire humanity. But, unfortunately there is only one earth containing this humanity. Due to one earth, there must be one God only and hence all the religions are calling the same God by different names. Since the God is unimaginable and nobody can even imagine Him, all the names are indicating that unseen and unimaginable God only. This unimaginable God is mediated by energy. Such mediated God is also one and the same because energy is also one and the same for all religions. This mediated God is called as Brahman by Hinduism, Jehovah by Christianity and Allah by Islam. The absolute unimaginable God as well as the medium [Energy] are one and the same and hence there is no difference between these three names.

Of course, when the absolute God gets mediated by human bodies, there may be minute difference in the form, culture and language of the external human form as in the case of Krishna of Hinduism, Jesus of Christianity and Mohammad of Islam. Even here the material of the human body is one and the same except slight variation in the external form. From the point of absolute God, here also there is no trace of difference and hence all these three human forms are also one and the same.

www.universal-spirituality.org

[quote author=The OP]No, Allah of the muslims is similar to Yahweh of the Jews(Not that of the christians who died for three days living his throne empty) who believe in absolute monotheism(Belief in One God with no attachment) .

The Jews who have rejected Jesus Christ do not worship Yahweh but SATAN.

If you believe that you both worship the same god that is your prerogative.

If you reframe the question, thus "IS YAHWEH OF THE JEWS SIMILAR TO YAHWEH OF THE CHRISTIANS" AND AND A ASK JEW ,THE ANSWER WILL BE A CAPITAL NO, COS THE JEWS HAD NO IDEA THE YAHWEH THEY WORSHIPPED WAS A MAN WHO DRANK EAT SLEPT CRUCIFIED BY HIS OWN CREATION AND DIED FOR THREE DAYS( GOD DYING FOR THREE DAYS IS IN CONTRAST WITH THE VERY NATURE OF GOD).

A surprise , because we have tens of thousands of Jews who accept the person of Christ Jesus as the saviour of mankind.

SO AT LEAST WE AGREE ON ONE THING THE GOD OF THE MUSLIMS IS NOT SAME AS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS

Absolutely

RATHER ALLAH OF THE MUSLIMS IS SAME AS YAHWEH OF THE JEWS.

no, Yahweh is GOD and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, he is the Father or GOD of Jew or Gentile who have accepted the Lordship and atonement of Christ Jesus.

So yes, you worship the same god with the Judaic Jews but not the believing Jew or Gentile.

In summary Yahweh is not ALLAH, ALLAH is worshipped by the unbelieving Jew or Gentile and you know who that is !

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: You need to be put down ones and for all. How is Allah same with man God Jesus who is a massiah Isa bin Maryam [as]?

Let me answer you with the corrupted bible that your Imams and scholars refer to 24/7 to prove that ISLAM is the valid.


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

How is Allah same with ghost God nameless who is Jibril [malaika] [as]?

Allah is not the same with Yahweh.

How is Allah same with father God who gets tired and needs to be refreshed, not full of knowledge as he discovered after events he regretted?

Father was always on the throne, Jesus Christ was the saviour indwelt by the Spirit of the Father and was a man in the flesh yet by his very essence was the Word of God and hence God in the flesh.

Confusing to you but for the born again Christians , easy to grasp.

Frosbel, Allah Rabbi Alamin, Rahman, Rahim, AlHayy, AlQayum, Al Alim, Al Hakim, etc.

Yahweh is GOD and he is not ALLAH.

Please stop showing us that you have One God because from your mouth, you dont. You do have 3 Gods, though.

GOD is ONE.

The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist". As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worshipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name "Yahweh" was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god", i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare "Allah" with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because "Allah" is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)

The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god", and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)

Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p.102)

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:

The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god". In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" (Mohammad's Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, "Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)

According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).

"In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)

"The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.

"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

"The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities" (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Allah" (op.cit., I:61).

It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the cresent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolise the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

"The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

"The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

"The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god" names they bore even long before Mohammed, the prophet of Islam was born (op.cit., Morey, p.51).

History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?

It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

If there is one thing that has been abundantly clear is that Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is not Allah the god of the Koran, is not Vishnu the god of the Vedas, is not the god of the Buddhists, etc.

Muslims worship a deity called Allah and claim that the Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God, Yahweh, of the patriarchs, prophets, and apostles.

Religious claims often come to grief as a result of solid scientific, archaeological evidence. So, instead of endlessly speculating about the past, we can look to science to see what the evidence reveals. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the moon-god who was married to the sun-goddess and the stars were his daughters.

SO IS ALLAH OF ISLAM THE SAME AS YAHWEH OF CHRISTIANITY? NO SIR!

Allah is the Pagan creater God just like Chukwu or Olodmare.

Yahweh i think, is the God of War. no wonder all the bloodshed chritsianity has caused. this is what happend when you separate one God from the entire pantheon.

The Clown: Allah was an Idol, the Arabic god of the moon. Allah predates Mohammed, Mohammed only came to make it the only god worthy of worship, destroying other gods in the Ka'aba.

you're talking nonsense. Do ur research well. I wonder the kinda brain you've got.

Mutee:
you're talking nonsense. Do ur research well. I wonder the kinda brain you've got.

He is very correct you're the one who should get your facts straight..

@Frosbel:

Re: Is Allah Of Islam The Same As Yahweh Of Christianity? by frosbel(m): 10:23am

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: You need to be put down ones and for all. How is Allah same with man God Jesus who is a massiah Isa bin Maryam [as]?


Let me answer you with the corrupted bible that your Imams and scholars refer to 24/7 to prove that ISLAM is the valid. grin


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Who was called Immanuel by his mother or his people? Please give me a verse where somebody was called Immanuel so that this verse is fulfilled. Was Jesus called Immanuel? If he was not called Immanuel, then we have to look for our Immanuel as another person or this is a false verse, yet again fro the Bible.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The operative phrase is the bold. Who shouldered any government but kings rulers and prophets. Is Jesus a king and could you tell me where his throne was seated on earth? If he was a president, tell me where was his political seat?
While David and Solomon came after the Isiah verse, they were rulers of the children of Israel and they were prophets like Jesus and John were.
So who is the one among them that is uniquely shouldering a government while the others didnt? Definitely Jesus did not shoulder any government.

How is Allah same with ghost God nameless who is Jibril [malaika] [as]?


Allah is not the same with Yahweh.

Yahweh was tired and needed to be refreshed, while Allah i never weary. Definitely from the Biblical window, Allah is not same as tiring Yahweh.

How is Allah same with father God who gets tired and needs to be refreshed, not full of knowledge as he discovered after events he regretted?


Father was always on the throne, Jesus Christ was the saviour indwelt by the Spirit of the Father and was a man in the flesh yet by his very essence was the Word of God and hence God in the flesh.

Confusing to you but for the born again Christians , easy to grasp.

A sitting God you have. A savior who could not ave himself or be saved by your sitting God. This is worthy of worship?

Frosbel, Allah Rabbi Alamin, Rahman, Rahim, AlHayy, AlQayum, Al Alim, Al Hakim, etc.

Yahweh is GOD and he is not ALLAH.

deceiver frosbel. You want to write English and lost hebrew while Arabic is firmly authentic? Write God in hebrew if you can? Write God in Arabic if you can since you have christian arabs saying their God is Allah? You are a confused soul.

Please stop showing us that you have One God because from your mouth, you dont. You do have 3 Gods, though.

GOD is ONE.

My God is One and His Name is Allah. Your God[s] are 3: One of them is Jesus son of Mary you idolater. The second is no name ghost. And the third you rendered weak and dependent. You call this one Yahweh or Jehovah, while Jesus son of Mary an anointed prophet of God says his God is Ellah similar to Allah in another accent, and not Eli, the son of prophet Samuel.



@The Clown:

by The Clown: 2:37pm
The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist". As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worshipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name "Yahweh" was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.

What did Jesus call his God but Ellah which is similar to the Arabic Allah instead of your baseless Yahweh or Jehovah. Or was Jesus incorrect and you are right? Eli is the son of Prophet Samuel, so God will not have the same name for Himself.

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god", i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare "Allah" with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because "Allah" is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.

So give me the "The God" in arabic which the Christian must use n their arabic Bible. Or they also use the word "Allah"? That will be a big headache for you if they use the same word Allah to mean The God while you think that Muslims who are radical monotheist will be using the same word to mean "the god" when they do not have more than 1 God, while christians have 3 Gods with one of them being a man.

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

every culture believed in One God the Creator. For the arabs before the revival of Islam under Muhammad [sa],the arabs knew there was a Creator Who they can not see and was not represented even as they represent gods for every day of the year.

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302

show us the Name of The Supreme God of the christians arabs if it is not the same word 'allah' [i am copy your deception for you to think about]. By the way, the yoruba animists say Olorun still, the very word that yoruba christians will use and this is the same word that Muslims among the yorubas will use to mean Who they worship. What are gonna do now that your brethren among the arabs say their God is allah just like the arabs before islam?

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

was there a statue of this Meccan deity? Please show us the statue.

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)

I am waiting to read where the christian arabs show the Name of their God, in there own arabic language. I know christians do argue against themselves without knowing when they think that they are arguing against the muslims. The arab christians are pagans like the muslims if they use Allah to mean their One True God. The yoruba christians are pagans if they use Olorun to mean their God, the same Olorun word that the animist/pagans use [ask pagan 9ja if you think the word Olorun is not used by both pagans and christians of the yoruba community]. Heck, every christian is a pagan if a pagan uses the same word for his god as the christian in his community the same word for his God.

The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"wink, and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)

Origin of Yahweh goes back to preJewish presence, even before Abraham was neither a jew nor a christian. In fact I propose unless I can be corrected that the children of Israel called their God made of Gold, Yahweh or maybe Jehovah. Can you check on that for me, Mr. Clown?
Interestingly, Jesus your human God of the christendom said Ellah.

Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p.102)

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:

The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)

Every society had some belief that There is 1 God Who created everything and above all. To the arabs, even when they were pagans, Allah was the name of this Invisible God. Now that they are Muslims and even Christians, both including the Jews say God is Allah to the individual group. And they know just like the pagans that Allah is invisible.

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god". In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" (Mohammad's Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, "Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)

Does this scholar knows that every society has a Name for the Creator God and before english people adopted christianity their Creator God even then is the same name they use for their Christian God of today; God? How is this christian God of the england not in the paganic english God if the muslim God is the same as the God of the pagan arabs? Is one paganism not as bad as the other?

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)

this is a silly opinion because it leads to nowhere, if any direction it is subjective like the rest of them. Did the arab knew of a Creator? What was the name they called Him? Now that we have Christianity in arabia, what is the name of the arab christian God? How about te name of the arab jewish God? Please write each of them in Capital letters. Whats the difference with the name of the God of the muslims who are chronic radical monotheists?

According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).

Dishonesty at its core. Was Baal the same as Allah? The worshiper of Baal will necessarily worship Allah? If Allah was Baal, what reason to have worship of same God twice since just having different names will not be a good reason? Is one higher than the other? Was Baal higher was it was Allah that was higher? Which one was worshiped where in sun, moon and stars were involved? What evidence does anyone have that sun, moon and stars must be involved in the worship of Allah? Did Abraham and his Ishmael and his children branch of the the family worshiped Allah? Did they worshiped sun, moon and stars along with it, or some people later introduce paganism based on their journeys and influences with the india/hindus?

"In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)

Eledumare of the yorubas could be represented today by idolater with his idol. now that that the christians say their God is Eledumare, are they still with the idolater's Eledumare?
I can assure everyone that Allah was never a statue and no moon god was called Allah.

"The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.

"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

this is one of the greatest lies in that the paganic makka was very careful not represent Allah by any statue and when Abraha invaded makka to destroy it by his mighty army mounted on elephant[s], it was described that AbuduMutalib said 'oh Allah', raising his head looking skyward, 'protect your house', meaning the kaaba. notice that he did not call on any of the 360 idols the makkans housed in it.

"The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities" (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).

shouldnt be one that is on top like father is on top of the other two Gods in Trinity? Robert Morey is a joke.

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Allah" (op.cit., I:61).

so Allah is not one of the lesser God[s] of the pagans, in thee same way Yahweh of the christian is not one of the lesser Gods, like Jesus the human God and the holy ghost the spirit God? Paganism does not mean that True God is not known or recognized. It means in spite of knowing there is One God, they worship others with Him, just like the christians do with Yahweh, then worship Jesus and Ghost Gods along in Trinity.

It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the cresent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolise the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

I think we should not be deluded and ignorantly forget that the jews who the christians take as the people of God, Yahweh made up a Yahweh in Gold for themselves. They did not even stop there because the jews and the christians in their hatred for truth say that Solomon the wisest of all in the Bible was an idol worshiper and moon[god statue was discovered in Palestine of the jews, not in Makka or Madina where Islam of Muhammad [sa] took root before branching out. Which people is an idolater; the jews of palestine as indicated above or the christians of the world with Yahweh and jesus and ghost being Gods or the muslims who destroyed all the idols in the kaaba and never allow carving or imagery in their religion?

"The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

this is a yellow cake from niger syndrome argument. You and dick cheney must have the same mentality, thinking that you can lie and make it pass for truth.

"The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

who built the kaaba and what was its purpose? Was it to house any idol or evil people later on introduced idols to its precinct, which at the end Muhammad [sa] reversed the course, eliminating idolatry and returning the kaaba to its original intention? I am wondering my the makkans including people from his clan, the bani hashim got upset with Muhammad [sa] when he invited the to worship Allah and discard the 360 idols that they used to worship, if Allah was just an idol? Why would his family be angry an rejected his form of idolatry that he is calling worship of One God, in Islam, if it was idolatry, still without the 360 supporting Gods? His clan should have been happy because it is their moon god that is now the only important God. But they were not because they knew he destroyed idolatry and Allah is not moon god and there was no statue of Allah, whereas they needed to have physical God for each day or event.

"The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god" names they bore even long before Mohammed, the prophet of Islam was born (op.cit., Morey, p.51).

Olorunfemi is a pagan name, christian name and muslim name for a male. Shouldnt the arabs have the same freedom?

History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess.

I am going to assume that the pagan arabs were sabbeans, based on the above? And every sabbean was a pagan?

We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?

If we find any people in arabia being called Abdullah, etc, who is not an arab, then this hypothesis is false? Well we know that the jews lived in Yathrib, today's Madina. Did any jew or christian had a name that has Allah in it, prior to Muhammad's influence in the life of that person? Yes. A jewish scholar was named Abdullah Abdusalaaam.

It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time.

This is a lie from whosoever proposed it. And where moon god statue was discovered was not near the Kaaba, unless the Kabba is located in far away palestine?

The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.

Kaaba is the center of Makka and the exact center of the land mass of the world. It is silly to say that the makka pagans prayed toward makka and the kaaba.

It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was.

and when the moon god was going to be discovered, it was in Palestine not in the Rocky Makka.

Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa,

the symbol of Islam is never the crescent moon, because that did not appear in anything during the lifetime of the messenger [sa], his companions [RA], the other 2 successive generations [ra]. If anything was to represent Islam, it was the flag set up by Muhammad [sa], the human authority bar none. And he used plain white cloth.

and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

If the asjid Haraam in Makka, Masjid of the prophet [sa] in Madina, Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem does not have it, then it is an invention that is not islamic. None of these masajid carries crescent of moon or nothing of star.

If there is one thing that has been abundantly clear is that Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is not Allah the god of the Koran, is not Vishnu the god of the Vedas, is not the god of the Buddhists, etc.

Yahweh by the tongue of Jesus on the cross is not his God, but Ellah is. I am satisfied that Ellah sounds to be like Allah, not Yahweh because Jesus did not say anything like Yahweh or Jehovah nor name of the son of Samuel, Eli. A lot of people bear Eli, Eli Manning of New York Giant whereas no on bears Ellah or Allah.

Muslims worship a deity called Allah and claim that the Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God, Yahweh, of the patriarchs, prophets, and apostles.

Religious claims often come to grief as a result of solid scientific, archaeological evidence. So, instead of endlessly speculating about the past, we can look to science to see what the evidence reveals. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the moon-god who was married to the sun-goddess and the stars were his daughters.

SO IS ALLAH OF ISLAM THE SAME AS YAHWEH OF CHRISTIANITY? NO SIR!

I thin it is appropriate here to make my remarks. Idolatry first crept in to the life of man during the time of Prophet Noah, the main thing he preached against and the reason the flood ended the lives of those pagans/idolaters at that time. The names of the first idols were given in Surah Noah, wherein satan is the one who suggested to people to erect statues in remembrance of good people and later in future generation these idols now became what were worshiped instead of The One True God Who is not visible.

Lets get to Makka and start from when Abraham established his family of the Ismaila branch there. Later on it was recorded that he was inspired to build the Kaaba which he dedicated as the House of One God not visible. The story is in Surah Ibrahim and and portions can be found in others including Surah Ambiya.

We can safely state that when this building was built anew, there was no idol in it and Ibrahim did not introduce any idol in it. No idol was introduce into Kaaba in the lifetime of Ibrahim and the lifetime of Ismail and his children.

When did the first idol arrive and who brought it and for what purpose? the person who brought the first idol to the Arabian Peninsula was called and indeed to Kaaba in Makka was " Amr Ben Lohaee", a master from the Arabian tribe "Khuza'ah". He brought the idol back from his journey to India, copying the hindus. He wants to be able to get to his physical God so that it helps to get to The Invisible God the Creator, as often and not only when he is in India. This is similar to the "in jesus name" syndrome. Disbelievers of varied degrees are not satisfied that God must be Unseen. They need a physical God as well. They are the opposite of the atheist who says there is no God. The pagans say there is God but they must have something to represent Him so that the lesser God can make them feel that they can at least communicate with Hm through this physical thing.

Only a dishonest proposal that Kaaba was from the first of its existence was meant and or housed idols and the arabs never had the belief that there is a Creator God though is Unseen and the children of israel had God Who created concept because they were chosen, whereas Ismail who had greater right and was the first person named by God will recline into paganism. What benefit is therefore naming him? What advantage was he to have over Isaac who was not named by God? Was Jacob not having advantage over Esau because God named him? Why would Ismail not be advantaged, instead be disadvantaged? What will be the point of not making spirituality available to the children of Ismail that God named, but giving unlimited spirituality to the children of isaac who God did not name?

@Frosbel:

Re: Is Allah Of Islam The Same As Yahweh Of Christianity? by frosbel(m): 10:23am

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: You need to be put down ones and for all. How is Allah same with man God Jesus who is a massiah Isa bin Maryam [as]?


Let me answer you with the corrupted bible that your Imams and scholars refer to 24/7 to prove that ISLAM is the valid. grin


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Who was called Immanuel by his mother or his people? Please give me a verse where somebody was called Immanuel so that this verse is fulfilled. Was Jesus called Immanuel? If he was not called Immanuel, then we have to look for our Immanuel as another person or this is a false verse, yet again fro the Bible.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The operative phrase is the bold. Who shouldered any government but kings rulers and prophets. Is Jesus a king and could you tell me where his throne was seated on earth? If he was a president, tell me where was his political seat?
While David and Solomon came after the Isiah verse, they were rulers of the children of Israel and they were prophets like Jesus and John were.
So who is the one among them that is uniquely shouldering a government while the others didnt? Definitely Jesus did not shoulder any government.

How is Allah same with ghost God nameless who is Jibril [malaika] [as]?


Allah is not the same with Yahweh.

Yahweh was tired and needed to be refreshed, while Allah i never weary. Definitely from the Biblical window, Allah is not same as tiring Yahweh.

How is Allah same with father God who gets tired and needs to be refreshed, not full of knowledge as he discovered after events he regretted?


Father was always on the throne, Jesus Christ was the saviour indwelt by the Spirit of the Father and was a man in the flesh yet by his very essence was the Word of God and hence God in the flesh.

Confusing to you but for the born again Christians , easy to grasp.

A sitting God you have. A savior who could not ave himself or be saved by your sitting God. This is worthy of worship?

Frosbel, Allah Rabbi Alamin, Rahman, Rahim, AlHayy, AlQayum, Al Alim, Al Hakim, etc.

Yahweh is GOD and he is not ALLAH.

deceiver frosbel. You want to write English and lost hebrew while Arabic is firmly authentic? Write God in hebrew if you can? Write God in Arabic if you can since you have christian arabs saying their God is Allah? You are a confused soul.

Please stop showing us that you have One God because from your mouth, you dont. You do have 3 Gods, though.

GOD is ONE.

My God is One and His Name is Allah. Your God[s] are 3: One of them is Jesus son of Mary you idolater. The second is no name ghost. And the third you rendered weak and dependent. You call this one Yahweh or Jehovah, while Jesus son of Mary an anointed prophet of God says his God is Ellah similar to Allah in another accent, and not Eli, the son of prophet Samuel.



@The Clown:

by The Clown: 2:37pm
The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH ()or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist". As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible. What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worshipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name "Yahweh" was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.

What did Jesus call his God but Ellah which is similar to the Arabic Allah instead of your baseless Yahweh or Jehovah. Or was Jesus incorrect and you are right? Eli is the son of Prophet Samuel, so God will not have the same name for Himself.

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god", i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare "Allah" with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because "Allah" is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.

So give me the "The God" in arabic which the Christian must use n their arabic Bible. Or they also use the word "Allah"? That will be a big headache for you if they use the same word Allah to mean The God while you think that Muslims who are radical monotheist will be using the same word to mean "the god" when they do not have more than 1 God, while christians have 3 Gods with one of them being a man.

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

every culture believed in One God the Creator. For the arabs before the revival of Islam under Muhammad [sa],the arabs knew there was a Creator Who they can not see and was not represented even as they represent gods for every day of the year.

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302

show us the Name of The Supreme God of the christians arabs if it is not the same word 'allah' [i am copy your deception for you to think about]. By the way, the yoruba animists say Olorun still, the very word that yoruba christians will use and this is the same word that Muslims among the yorubas will use to mean Who they worship. What are gonna do now that your brethren among the arabs say their God is allah just like the arabs before islam?

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

was there a statue of this Meccan deity? Please show us the statue.

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)

I am waiting to read where the christian arabs show the Name of their God, in there own arabic language. I know christians do argue against themselves without knowing when they think that they are arguing against the muslims. The arab christians are pagans like the muslims if they use Allah to mean their One True God. The yoruba christians are pagans if they use Olorun to mean their God, the same Olorun word that the animist/pagans use [ask pagan 9ja if you think the word Olorun is not used by both pagans and christians of the yoruba community]. Heck, every christian is a pagan if a pagan uses the same word for his god as the christian in his community the same word for his God.

The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"wink, and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)

Origin of Yahweh goes back to preJewish presence, even before Abraham was neither a jew nor a christian. In fact I propose unless I can be corrected that the children of Israel called their God made of Gold, Yahweh or maybe Jehovah. Can you check on that for me, Mr. Clown?
Interestingly, Jesus your human God of the christendom said Ellah.

Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p.102)

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:

The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)

Every society had some belief that There is 1 God Who created everything and above all. To the arabs, even when they were pagans, Allah was the name of this Invisible God. Now that they are Muslims and even Christians, both including the Jews say God is Allah to the individual group. And they know just like the pagans that Allah is invisible.

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god". In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" (Mohammad's Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, "Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)

Does this scholar knows that every society has a Name for the Creator God and before english people adopted christianity their Creator God even then is the same name they use for their Christian God of today; God? How is this christian God of the england not in the paganic english God if the muslim God is the same as the God of the pagan arabs? Is one paganism not as bad as the other?

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)

this is a silly opinion because it leads to nowhere, if any direction it is subjective like the rest of them. Did the arab knew of a Creator? What was the name they called Him? Now that we have Christianity in arabia, what is the name of the arab christian God? How about te name of the arab jewish God? Please write each of them in Capital letters. Whats the difference with the name of the God of the muslims who are chronic radical monotheists?

According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).

Dishonesty at its core. Was Baal the same as Allah? The worshiper of Baal will necessarily worship Allah? If Allah was Baal, what reason to have worship of same God twice since just having different names will not be a good reason? Is one higher than the other? Was Baal higher was it was Allah that was higher? Which one was worshiped where in sun, moon and stars were involved? What evidence does anyone have that sun, moon and stars must be involved in the worship of Allah? Did Abraham and his Ishmael and his children branch of the the family worshiped Allah? Did they worshiped sun, moon and stars along with it, or some people later introduce paganism based on their journeys and influences with the india/hindus?

"In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)

Eledumare of the yorubas could be represented today by idolater with his idol. now that that the christians say their God is Eledumare, are they still with the idolater's Eledumare?
I can assure everyone that Allah was never a statue and no moon god was called Allah.

"The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.

"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

this is one of the greatest lies in that the paganic makka was very careful not represent Allah by any statue and when Abraha invaded makka to destroy it by his mighty army mounted on elephant[s], it was described that AbuduMutalib said 'oh Allah', raising his head looking skyward, 'protect your house', meaning the kaaba. notice that he did not call on any of the 360 idols the makkans housed in it.

"The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities" (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).

shouldnt be one that is on top like father is on top of the other two Gods in Trinity? Robert Morey is a joke.

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Allah" (op.cit., I:61).

so Allah is not one of the lesser God[s] of the pagans, in thee same way Yahweh of the christian is not one of the lesser Gods, like Jesus the human God and the holy ghost the spirit God? Paganism does not mean that True God is not known or recognized. It means in spite of knowing there is One God, they worship others with Him, just like the christians do with Yahweh, then worship Jesus and Ghost Gods along in Trinity.

It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the cresent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolise the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

I think we should not be deluded and ignorantly forget that the jews who the christians take as the people of God, Yahweh made up a Yahweh in Gold for themselves. They did not even stop there because the jews and the christians in their hatred for truth say that Solomon the wisest of all in the Bible was an idol worshiper and moon[god statue was discovered in Palestine of the jews, not in Makka or Madina where Islam of Muhammad [sa] took root before branching out. Which people is an idolater; the jews of palestine as indicated above or the christians of the world with Yahweh and jesus and ghost being Gods or the muslims who destroyed all the idols in the kaaba and never allow carving or imagery in their religion?

"The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

this is a yellow cake from niger syndrome argument. You and dick cheney must have the same mentality, thinking that you can lie and make it pass for truth.

"The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

who built the kaaba and what was its purpose? Was it to house any idol or evil people later on introduced idols to its precinct, which at the end Muhammad [sa] reversed the course, eliminating idolatry and returning the kaaba to its original intention? I am wondering my the makkans including people from his clan, the bani hashim got upset with Muhammad [sa] when he invited the to worship Allah and discard the 360 idols that they used to worship, if Allah was just an idol? Why would his family be angry an rejected his form of idolatry that he is calling worship of One God, in Islam, if it was idolatry, still without the 360 supporting Gods? His clan should have been happy because it is their moon god that is now the only important God. But they were not because they knew he destroyed idolatry and Allah is not moon god and there was no statue of Allah, whereas they needed to have physical God for each day or event.

"The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god" names they bore even long before Mohammed, the prophet of Islam was born (op.cit., Morey, p.51).

Olorunfemi is a pagan name, christian name and muslim name for a male. Shouldnt the arabs have the same freedom?

History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess.

I am going to assume that the pagan arabs were sabbeans, based on the above? And every sabbean was a pagan?

We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?

If we find any people in arabia being called Abdullah, etc, who is not an arab, then this hypothesis is false? Well we know that the jews lived in Yathrib, today's Madina. Did any jew or christian had a name that has Allah in it, prior to Muhammad's influence in the life of that person? Yes. A jewish scholar was named Abdullah Abdusalaaam.

It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time.

This is a lie from whosoever proposed it. And where moon god statue was discovered was not near the Kaaba, unless the Kabba is located in far away palestine?

The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.

Kaaba is the center of Makka and the exact center of the land mass of the world. It is silly to say that the makka pagans prayed toward makka and the kaaba.

It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was.

and when the moon god was going to be discovered, it was in Palestine not in the Rocky Makka.

Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa,

the symbol of Islam is never the crescent moon, because that did not appear in anything during the lifetime of the messenger [sa], his companions [RA], the other 2 successive generations [ra]. If anything was to represent Islam, it was the flag set up by Muhammad [sa], the human authority bar none. And he used plain white cloth.

and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

If the asjid Haraam in Makka, Masjid of the prophet [sa] in Madina, Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem does not have it, then it is an invention that is not islamic. None of these masajid carries crescent of moon or nothing of star.

If there is one thing that has been abundantly clear is that Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is not Allah the god of the Koran, is not Vishnu the god of the Vedas, is not the god of the Buddhists, etc.

Yahweh by the tongue of Jesus on the cross is not his God, but Ellah is. I am satisfied that Ellah sounds to be like Allah, not Yahweh because Jesus did not say anything like Yahweh or Jehovah nor name of the son of Samuel, Eli. A lot of people bear Eli, Eli Manning of New York Giant whereas no on bears Ellah or Allah.

Muslims worship a deity called Allah and claim that the Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God, Yahweh, of the patriarchs, prophets, and apostles.

Religious claims often come to grief as a result of solid scientific, archaeological evidence. So, instead of endlessly speculating about the past, we can look to science to see what the evidence reveals. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the moon-god who was married to the sun-goddess and the stars were his daughters.

SO IS ALLAH OF ISLAM THE SAME AS YAHWEH OF CHRISTIANITY? NO SIR!

I think it is appropriate here to make my remarks. Idolatry first crept in to the life of man during the time of Prophet Noah, the main thing he preached against and the reason the flood ended the lives of those pagans/idolaters at that time. The names of the first idols were given in Surah Noah, wherein satan is the one who suggested to people to erect statues in remembrance of good people and later in future generation these idols now became what were worshiped instead of The One True God Who is not visible.

Lets get to Makka and start from when Abraham established his family of the Ismaila branch there. Later on it was recorded that he was inspired to build the Kaaba which he dedicated as the House of One God not visible. The story is in Surah Ibrahim and and portions can be found in others including Surah Ambiya.

We can safely state that when this building was built anew, there was no idol in it and Ibrahim did not introduce any idol in it. No idol was introduce into Kaaba in the lifetime of Ibrahim and the lifetime of Ismail and his children.

When did the first idol arrive and who brought it and for what purpose? the person who brought the first idol to the Arabian Peninsula was called and indeed to Kaaba in Makka was " Amr Ben Lohaee", a master from the Arabian tribe "Khuza'ah". He brought the idol back from his journey to India, copying the hindus. He wants to be able to get to his physical God so that it helps to get to The Invisible God the Creator, as often and not only when he is in India. This is similar to the "in jesus name" syndrome. Disbelievers of varied degrees are not satisfied that God must be Unseen. They need a physical God as well. They are the opposite of the atheist who says there is no God. The pagans say there is God but they must have something to represent Him so that the lesser God can make them feel that they can at least communicate with Hm through this physical thing.

Only a dishonest proposal that Kaaba was from the first of its existence was meant and or housed idols and the arabs never had the belief that there is a Creator God though is Unseen and the children of israel had God Who created concept because they were chosen, whereas Ismail who had greater right and was the first person named by God will recline into paganism. What benefit is therefore naming him? What advantage was he to have over Isaac who was not named by God? Was Jacob not having advantage over Esau because God named him? Why would Ismail not be advantaged, instead be disadvantaged? What will be the point of not making spirituality available to the children of Ismail that God named, but giving unlimited spirituality to the children of isaac who God did not name?

And The cold war continues

Also God promised ismail that from him shall he build a great nation. I doubt God will refer an idolterous nation as Great nation.

only Pagans had the superior scientific sense of technology to calculate the exact centre of mass of the Earth. if it is true, then the Ka'aba is certainly built by early Pagans and later desecrated and befouled by muslims.

@Pagan 9ja: the first builder of the Kaaba was Adam [as].
then upon the flood of Noah, and the re-population of the earth, Abraham rebuilt it because
he was commanded to establish his family headed by Hajar his second wife and reestablish the
House of God anew.

if Adam and then Abraham were pagans, I wonder what the people of Noah were as their end was
the watery grave? what about Pharaoh and his legions that met the same ends? God must not like
Pagans because of their paganism and He made them all drowned in these two instances while He
allowed non pagans to live and thrived.

I submit to you that;
satan [lana] is a pagan while Adam [as] is not.
the people who perished in the flood of Noah were pagans while Noah [as] and the survived were not.
Ibrahim [as], his whole household [wives and sonn [as]] were not pagans and hence established on earth.
Pharaoh [lana] who perished in the flood of "exodus" was a pagan while Musa and Harun [as].
the worshipers of the golden calf "yahweh" were pagans while those who did not along with Musa and Harun were not.
makkan pagans were pagans while Muhammad [sa] and his companions [RA] were not.
you are a pagan while I am not.

^dont lie. adam never existed. evolution has already been proved. it was the Pagans who built it. noah also probably never existed because there is no proof. atleast for the Pharaohs we have their old graves, palaces, temples and even graves and mummified bodies! and what flood. i doubt there was any flood because the Pharaohs continued to prosper and rule upto the end of Cleopetra. and why only Egypt? the entire Pagan world from ROme to The british isles, to the Americas and gold-filled towns of the INcas and the prosperous and advancing Chinese Han and Hindu-Aryan / Dravidian EMpiress, Japan, South-East Asian Tribes and our beloved African tribes and Kingdoms, the well-established Universities and abundance of philosophers & thinkers, all were flourishing and thriving and here you are stuck like an ignorant, arrogant piece of chewing gum to the small state of Egypt which no doubt achieved one of the greatest scientific and material proress and spiritual progress as well, uncomparable to any of your muslim Empires if taken at a periodic comparision.and maybe the floodng was just one of those frequent floods of the Nile river valley that usually ocurred before the building of the Aswan dam and you people exaggerate it. so you see, the Gods were supporting Pagans everyhere. they never actually physically "supported" us as you claim, but the forces were well-balanced., until everything got destroyed with the advent of christianity and islam. pillaging, looting, plundering, burning, r.aping, enslaving, killing, massacring, destroying, it is all part of your religious rituals. since then the world has always suffered and unlike the Pagan days when wars were sought over important issues, such as land, resources, disputes, etc, because of you we are fighting on senseless and personal issues such as religion.

NO WAY I AM BUYING THAT! WE PAGAN BUILT IT AND YOU MUSLIMS ARE TAKING CREDIT. IN YOU R HEART EVEN OU KNOW THAT. EVERYONE DOES! NO RELIGION IN ARABIA EXISTED BESIDE JUDAISM, PRIOR TO PROPHET MUHAMMADS DAYS.

SWEETNECTA IT IS TIME YOU UNDERSTAND AND FOLOLOW THE TRUE RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS OF IFA-ORISHA, WHICH IS THAT OF YOUR ANCESTORS AND FOREFATHERS! IM GIVING YOU A DEADLINE THAT BEFORE THE NEXT 20 YEARS, ALL THE YORUBAS WILL BE BACK TO IFA-ORISHA.