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Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by vedaxcool(m): 9:04pm On Aug 28, 2012 |
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Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by Nobody: 10:10pm On Aug 28, 2012 |
vedaxcool: @ felis, permit me to add the following; What you are saying is that it is a combination of both. . . .makes sense. If you can post verses or hadith to support your points in the next post it will be very wonderful. Gracias. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by vedaxcool(m): 2:33pm On Aug 29, 2012 |
Now on 2, I will say having read the entire Qur'an, cover to cover, there is no verse I have read that would make me conclude what was explained does not make sense! rather based on my points in 1 and as we shall see in 3, certain things were either explained in limited way or not explained at all. Hence the Qur'an does not fall into category 2, hence we can rightly say because the Qur'an does not fall into these category Faith in the Qur'an is not illogical! now while this hold true for the Qur'an there indeed some practices that we can consider illogical because they are not rooted in the Qur'an or genuine Islamic practices for instance during the last sallah, NTA showed different muslims praying at the eid ground, and then you see certain individuals chanting La illah ha illalah and hitting their chest, when you eventually ask such individuals why are you hitting your chest, they probably will justify such actions finding all sort of bizarre excuses this alos goes for practices such as self beating in the name of mourning, such actions are at best illogical and can rightly portray Islam as being inherently illogical, in essence they faith look more like a set of illogical practices that people can simply justify. now on 3, like you alluded to there are certain verses that only Allah knows their meaning and by extension did not explain it to the ummah! hence these third part requires us to accept and believe in it as part of God's words. Now we could add another component to faith and then the components of faiths becomes quite like, trust, logics, a belief in things that are explained limitedly and a belief in things not explained at all. because we have trust in the authority of who revealed the Qur'an, this trust is earned and accepted as being founded on logics, i.e. because the author of the Qur'an has provided evidence to his wisdom, knowledge, transcendence and divinity, we are compelled by logics to accept and trust Allah when he says certain things that are not fully explained or not explained at all as being nothing more than the truth! |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by Nobody: 5:17pm On Aug 29, 2012 |
vedaxcool: Now on 2, I will say having read the entire Qur'an, cover to cover, there is no verse I have read that would make me conclude what was explained does not make sense! rather based on my points in 1 and as we shall see in 3, certain things were either explained in limited way or not explained at all. Hence the Qur'an does not fall into category 2, hence we can rightly say because the Qur'an does not fall into these category Faith in the Qur'an is not illogical!A lot of people will disagree with this. What is your definition of logical and illogical? vedaxcool: now while this hold true for the Qur'an there indeed some practices that we can consider illogical because they are not rooted in the Qur'an or genuine Islamic practices for instance during the last sallah, NTA showed different muslims praying at the eid ground, and then you see certain individuals chanting La illah ha illalah and hitting their chest, when you eventually ask such individuals why are you hitting your chest, they probably will justify such actions finding all sort of bizarre excuses this alos goes for practices such as self beating in the name of mourning, such actions are at best illogical and can rightly portray Islam as being inherently illogical, in essence they faith look more like a set of illogical practices that people can simply justify.This practise has nothing to do with Islam but I agree, things like that make Islam look illogical. vedaxcool:But LagosShia said that they have explained meanings and even wrote on those meanings. Or are you saying he is wrong?. vedaxcool: Now we could add another component to faith and then the components of faiths becomes quite like, trust, logics, a belief in things that are explained limitedly and a belief in things not explained at all. because we have trust in the authority of who revealed the Qur'an, this trust is earned and accepted as being founded on logics, i.e. because the author of the Qur'an has provided evidence to his wisdom, knowledge, transcendence and divinity, we are compelled by logics to accept and trust Allah when he says certain things that are not fully explained or not explained at all as being nothing more than the truth!Can you expantiate on what these evidences are and why we should accept them as logical truth? A big thank you for taking time to explain. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by vedaxcool(m): 3:46pm On Sep 01, 2012 |
Sorry 4 the laspe in time. fellis: Logical is something that seems reasonable or sensible. Illogical is quite the opposite fellis: I am baffled that you made any sense of what he wrote. fellis: I will just give one, the story of the creation of the earth, we find Muhammed pbuh being unable to have the slightest ability to give information regarding the earth's creation yet the Qur'an spoke briefly about it , though what I am writing now are mainly scientific theories that are widely accepted, we read or heard of the big bang theory yet b4 man became advanced enough to know a thing about it Allah revealed in the Qur'an that do u see that the heavens and the earth were a single unit till we cleft them assunder? The big bang theory centre around the notion that everything as we know it were all a single unit till they exploded going their separate ways etc the Qur'an further speaks of the sun and the moon running their own course in their own orbits this are clearly mordern discoveries, furthermore it speaks of people asking of the moon, the response remain grounded in facts which is the moon is a reflection of time in other words whatever shape the moon takes has no mystery to it rather it shows the state of time it is in. Now left leave the scientific and move to the simple matters, Christians claim that Jesus is god the simple response is simply rooted in logical arguments, which is, if Adam who has no father or mother is not god then how is did it become that jesus who had a mother became god? We move on to textual criticism, the Qur'an brought about a simple falsification test, do they not ponder on the Qur'an had it been from any other than Allah u would find therein many contradictions, yet the mockers of truth make numerous claims against the Qur'an yet till date Allah's word remains solid, it is based on this simple test that muslims have used as a means in verifying the divines of any book that claims to be from God, this very principle have led to an entire field of its own, textual criticism. There are many more verses that speaks of the irrefutable truths of the Qur'an (thaba have demonstrated these many times) but I stop here and make my points clear, it is inconceievable that any one man would author the Qur'an and then on top of that provide facts about things that only future generations would have the capacity to verify, it goes further, the fact that the Qur'an has consistently provided the truth in such a manner that has not be refuted remains clear that the author can be trusted when he says he knows and decides to give us information about things that we do not know and understand to be limited or unexplained! It is on this trust that is part of the component of faith do we conclude that faith is not entirely logical but goes hand in hand with trust furthermore this trust is not founded on illogical nor is it synonymous with illogical rather it is a trust founded on logical grounds the same trust we have in say CNN (me no trust them sha) that when they tell us stuff we do not say it is lie or a conspiracy but based on saying because we found them consistent we can trust them. In due time if I am opportuned I will try posting verses of things I said earlier |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Sep 01, 2012 |
vedaxcool: Sorry 4 the laspe in time.Don't worry about it. vedaxcool:I understand. vedaxcool: In due time if I am opportuned I will try posting verses of things I said earlierIf it is not convinient for you you can forget about it. Another thing I was thinking was that faith has a broader perspective than just belief in what was revealed. The belief itself is only a part of the big picture, only part of what faith fully entails. So I think the topic is focused mainly on explaining the belief part and not really what the concept of faith in its entirety means. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by IbroSaunks(m): 10:42pm On Sep 01, 2012 |
@Vedaxcool You write sense, but you should consider using the full stop more often. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by maclatunji: 11:12pm On Sep 01, 2012 |
IbroSaunks: @Vedaxcool LOL, good to see you bro. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by vedaxcool(m): 3:47pm On Sep 02, 2012 |
fellis: Yeah, I get u, but it is difficult or next to impossible to speaks of faith and restrict it to belief part as one concept reinforce other concept! |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by vedaxcool(m): 3:54pm On Sep 02, 2012 |
IbroSaunks: @Vedaxcool Lol noted this is mainly due to use of phone. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by truthservant99: 1:39pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
It is also quite suprising that a Shia is talking about logic and reasoning on faith. Where is the logic in beating your selves every year until it becomes like bloody massacre or going to shines of dead people taking blessed and bowing down to them. Where is the logic when you mention Ali (ra) all you day and night and not Allah. Where is the logic when the poor people are paying 20% of the money to religious leaders and not to poor people. Where is the logic when the Shia religion is owned by only "supposedly" descendent of Mohammed (pbuh). Islam didn't come as an ethnic religion. Where is the logic in making the religion as (sad and hatred and black hearted revenging religion ) even Christians have not hated Muslims like Shia. Shia are to be quite and shame when discussion about faith take place. Shia have faith on people like religious leaders and imams and not in Allah. |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by tunde1200(m): 11:27am On Sep 04, 2015 |
JAZAKALLAHU KAIRAN LagosShia: |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by Jaydee009: 7:01am On Sep 05, 2015 |
LagosShia: I don't like it when Muslims are asked to discuss or share the the basis of their faith and they make a long intro by attacking Christianity. This is why students fail JAMB. You don't grow relevant by pulling down others. #MyTwoKobo |
Re: What Is The Concept Of Faith In Islam? by Debayurr: 10:00am On Sep 05, 2015 |
Brothers and Sisters here in Islam..Am sorry I'll have to divert from this post,but I still want to associate with the righteous and educated mumee'n and mumeenats...I've reached a stage in my life i'm trying to get better in islam and I want to belong with the educated to brush up my understanding of the deen in english and relate to present life challenges. As u can read my write up isn't has sound as so many of you here so it cripples me whenever I read post like this and want to contribute immensely. So pls if there's any way I can meet up with you brothers here or if there's any programme that takes place for me to connect with you my brothers please let me be aware. Salam Alaykun |
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