If the any of the following describes your pastor(s), Infact, you are On Your Own(OYO).
1. Pastors who preach 90% tights and offering telling you how God will bless you bountiful but preach less of salvation. OYO
2. Pastors who will use their images of themselves on hand bills, bill-boards, and so many media outlets. They are only selling themselves and not christ. OYO
3. Pastors who will tell you to fast and pray for 7 days and 7 nights without even telling you that you should address your own shortcomings. OYO
4. Pastors who will tell you to bring along people for revival or any other service. That's they way network marketers do or those who are in 419 business do. Eg like all those forex scamers etc. Well, OYO
5. If your pastor is the one who will choose partners for you, well, that means you have already substituted your pastor for a God and you no longer trust your instinct or trust yourself. OYO. Tell me how many pastors satisfied marriages are still holding up today?
6. Pastors who will tell you that you have enemies everywhere. This is just to create fear in you and let you increase your attendance in church so that you can pay more money. OYO
7. Pastors who will tell you that you will go broke if you do not pay your tithe. Why did they not tell you to pay into charity or give to the poor instead of tight? You are OYO
8. Pastors who will turn the bible upside down and say that psalm 23 means war, instead that it only meant normal confessions. OYO
9. Pastors that will make you to compete to buy material things for him. He will indirectly tell you that the more you take care of the man of God, the more you will taken cared of by God. If God truly sent those men, God will truly take care of his own and not through corporate begging.
Many people have been deceived and so will more be. It is unfortunate how church has spun into maga business and a mega tool for satan. The bible says,:many are called but few are chosen
Please you can add more of your types of pastors...

Are you a Christian? If yes, stop going to church if you like because all the pastors did at least one of things you stated above.

D sage: Are you a Christian? If yes, stop going to church if you like because all the pastors did at least one of things you stated above.

I do not bliv in any religion. But God exist as far as I am concerned

solidbroda: I do not bliv in any religion. But God exist as far as I am concerned

Since you are not atheist or agnostics,how come you know God exist when you can't attributes his existence to a particular religions?

God did not create religion. Man did. Religion was a elitist movement born out for the control of the lower classes

Fine,if God didn't creates religions, what makes you conclude that he actually exist? Remember there must be something responsible for your acceptance of his existence, what are those factors?

D sage:

Since you are not atheist or agnostics,how come you know God exist when you can't attributes his existence to a particular religions?

It depends on the type of god the op is talking about...

solidbroda: If the any of the following describes your pastor(s), Infact, you are On Your Own(OYO).
1. Pastors who preach 90% tights and offering telling you how God will bless you bountiful but preach less of salvation. OYO
2. Pastors who will use their images of themselves on hand bills, bill-boards, and so many media outlets. They are only selling themselves and not christ. OYO
3. Pastors who will tell you to fast and pray for 7 days and 7 nights without even telling you that you should address your own shortcomings. OYO
4. Pastors who will tell you to bring along people for revival or any other service. That's they way network marketers do or those who are in 419 business do. Eg like all those forex scamers etc. Well, OYO
5. If your pastor is the one who will choose partners for you, well, that means you have already substituted your pastor for a God and you no longer trust your instinct or trust yourself. OYO. Tell me how many pastors satisfied marriages are still holding up today?
6. Pastors who will tell you that you have enemies everywhere. This is just to create fear in you and let you increase your attendance in church so that you can pay more money. OYO
7. Pastors who will tell you that you will go broke if you do not pay your tithe. Why did they not tell you to pay into charity or give to the poor instead of tight? You are OYO
8. Pastors who will turn the bible upside down and say that psalm 23 means war, instead that it only meant normal confessions. OYO
9. Pastors that will make you to compete to buy material things for him. He will indirectly tell you that the more you take care of the man of God, the more you will taken cared of by God. If God truly sent those men, God will truly take care of his own and not through corporate begging.
Many people have been deceived and so will more be. It is unfortunate how church has spun into maga business and a mega tool for satan. The bible says,:many are called but few are chosen
Please you can add more of your types of pastors...

Remove d log in ur eyes before u remove the speck in others, if ure guiltless then cast d first stone, who made you a judge? These words are excerpts from the bible, just as u quoted many are called but few as chosen, dwell on these words, leave God 2 judge those who are not among His chosen who claim 2 be, face ur own life!

@solid broda,long time,!!!...........................your post is very accurate,the belly of the beast(greedy christianity) is being exposed for what it truly is,a temple of lies and deceit!!!

Niflheim: @solid broda,long time,!!!...........................your post is very accurate,the belly of the beast(greedy christianity) is being exposed for what it truly is,a temple of lies and deceit!!!

mkmyers45: It depends on the type of god the op is talking about...

I knew you're atheist who believes not in existence of God/gods, how comes you talking about existence of various Gods here?

D sage:

I knew you're atheist who believes not in existence of God/gods, how comes you talking about existence of various Gods here?

How do you know i am an atheist? Ever heard me say that?

@Op,I dnt agree totally wif ur post.

@Op,I dnt agree totally wif ur post.

Eazy J: @Op,I dnt agree totally wif ur post.

so, how much do u agree?

mkmyers45:

How do you know i am an atheist? Ever heard me say that?

Sorry if you are not, your username looks like that of a notable atheist in this section. Beside, did you believes in existence of different type of Gods? If yes,how did you arrived into such conclusion?

D sage:

Sorry if you are not, your username looks like that of a notable atheist in this section. Beside, did you believes in existence of different type of Gods? If yes,how did you arrived into such conclusion?

From a global worldview there has to be a lot of gods to cater for all religions that want to follow one god or the other meanwhile....in reality there may no god at all

The God perception is invariably proportional to views...many see,believe in him as many and it works...so see him as one and its works for them but the 'God' perception has to be wrong because every religion claim divine signs from their god so the question is from who do those signs come?

mkmyers45:

From a global worldview there has to be a lot of gods to cater for all religions that want to follow one god or the other meanwhile....in reality there may no god at all

The God perception is invariably proportional to views...many see,believe in him as many and it works...so see him as one and its works for them but the 'God' perception has to be wrong because every religion claim divine signs from their god so the question is from who do those signs come?

From one true superior/supernatural being GOD.

Actually each religion in the world claims divine signs to their God, but if you can do more research, you will realize that all of them are interwoven and originated from MIDDLE EAST. Even our own traditional African religions/practice.

On that basis,it's possible we called the same God in different views/ways and understanding.

D sage:

From one true superior/supernatural being GOD.

Actually each religion in the world claims divine signs to their God, but if you can do more research, you will realize that all of them are interwoven and originated from MIDDLE EAST. Even our own traditional African religions/practice.

On that basis,it's possible we called the same God in different views/ways and understanding.

You are freaking mad. What kind of uncle tom/slave are you? Who told you that African Traditional religions come from the middle east? Better gerrout with that nonsense. Can you explain how my local Niger-Deltan paganism came from the middle east?

Even Asian religions are older than most if not all middle eastern religons


The first people in the world were from Africa.

MacDaddy01:


You are freaking mad. What kind of uncle tom/slave are you? Who told you that African Traditional religions come from the middle east? Better gerrout with that nonsense. Can you explain how my local Niger-Deltan paganism came from the middle east?

Even Asian religions are older than most if not all middle eastern religons


The first people in the world were from Africa.

Your first paragraph is quite insultive and lacked basis for constructive criticism/argument. If you were not agreed with my comments, the best thing you ought to do is to prove me wrong with your and not by using abusive word on me.

Remember this's religion section and not jokes, romance/sexuality sections where we can just say what suits our feelings when commenting.

And one more thing you must know is that, no sensible NL members would comment in this section without any source of information. We all depends on various histories/sources to obtain fact, which might be true/false.

@ The first people were from Africa and most far asian religions were older than those of middle east.

Were you part of the said first people? Does any religions actually started in the generation you're part of? Since you and I were not there then,how do we know the truth?

Concerning d issue of tithes,It is written in Malachi 3:8 dat we rob God if we dont pay tithes & offerings but if we do,God said He will rebuke devourers 4 our sake. I agree partially wif u on d 3rd point but dere r problems dat dnt require addressing shortcomings but fasting &praying. There's nofin wrong in inviting pple 2 revivals and programmes.What can u say abt some1 who was invited 2 a revival and got saved?

Eazy J: Concerning d issue of tithes,It is written in Malachi 3:8 dat we rob God if we dont pay tithes & offerings but if we do,God said He will rebuke devourers 4 our sake.Pastors images on hand bills doesn't mean they r selling demselves. Iagree partially wif u on d 3rd point but dere r problems dat dnt require addressing shortcomings but fasting &praying. There's nofin wrong in inviting pple 4 revivals and programmes.What can u say abt some1 who was invited 4 revival and got saved?

I think the poster was talking about those pastor who scared/demanded tithe from their congregation by telling them the false consequence of not paying.

Eazy J: Concerning d issue of tithes,It is written in Malachi 3:8 dat we rob God if we dont pay tithes & offerings but if we do,God said He will rebuke devourers 4 our sake.Pastors images on hand bills doesn't mean they r selling demselves. Iagree partially wif u on d 3rd point but dere r problems dat dnt require addressing shortcomings but fasting &praying. There's nofin wrong in inviting pple 2 revivals and programmes.What can u say abt some1 who was invited 2 a revival and got saved?

do you know what d book of exodus 22 says?? Hmmmm. That's where most pastors would not reference because it doesn't correlate with malachi

D sage:

From one true superior/supernatural being GOD.

Actually each religion in the world claims divine signs to their God, but if you can do more research, you will realize that all of them are interwoven and originated from MIDDLE EAST. Even our own traditional African religions/practice.

On that basis,it's possible we called the same God in different views/ways and understanding.

Sorry sir i dont agree with you....ATR have been with us before our fathers set eyes on foreigners...Please get your facts right...and it cant be the same God worshipped the same way because this 'god'(s) characteristics differs and if you attempt to put it together you will get a catastrophe...

D sage:

Your first paragraph is quite insultive and lacked basis for constructive criticism/argument. If you were not agreed with my comments, the best thing you ought to do is to prove me wrong with your and not by using abusive word on me.

Remember this's religion section and not jokes, romance/sexuality sections where we can just say what suits our feelings when commenting.

And one more thing you must know is that, no sensible NL members would comment in this section without any source of information. We all depends on various histories/sources to obtain fact, which might be true/false.

@ The first people were from Africa and most far asian religions were older than those of middle east.

Were you part of the said first people? Does any religions actually started in the generation you're part of? Since you and I were not there then,how do we know the truth?

Sorry, for the abuse!

However, there is nothing I hate than when a Nigerian gives credit to foreigners while neglecting and insulting his forefathers. How one can claim that African traditional religions came from the middle east is beyond me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion

christianity, Islam, Judaism (baha'i) came from the middle east. These 3/4 are not all the religions in the world.


How can we say all religions came from the middle east. Where we there when the religions were being invented?

If religion is a natural activity to man then wouldn't it make sense that man would find a way to practice religion wherever he was regardless of whether or not he is in contact with the middle east?

What are your evidences that a religion like Ifa had it's origin in the middle east?

Pastor AIO: christianity, Islam, Judaism (baha'i) came from the middle east. These 3/4 are not all the religions in the world.


How can we say all religions came from the middle east. Where we there when the religions were being invented?

If religion is a natural activity to man then wouldn't it make sense that man would find a way to practice religion wherever he was regardless of whether or not he is in contact with the middle east?

What are your evidences that a religion like Ifa had it's origin in the middle east?

Fire on, brother!

Pastor AIO: christianity, Islam, Judaism (baha'i) came from the middle east. These 3/4 are not all the religions in the world.


How can we say all religions came from the middle east. Where we there when the religions were being invented?

If religion is a natural activity to man then wouldn't it make sense that man would find a way to practice religion wherever he was regardless of whether or not he is in contact with the middle east?

What are your evidences that a religion like Ifa had it's origin in the middle east?

As regards to IFA you mentioned in your comment, according to history Yoruba people were believed to be descendant from middle east(s.Arabia). He Oduduwa along with other people/servants migrated from Mecca and were eventually settled in Ile-Ife. So,If these were true, from where did they brought the ideas of IFA?

D sage:

As regards to IFA you mentioned in your comment, according to history Yoruba people were believed to be descendant from middle east(s.Arabia). He Oduduwa along with other people/servants migrated from Mecca and were eventually settled in Ile-Ife. So,If these were true, from where did they brought the ideas of IFA?

from where did you get this version of the story?

What of the Akan,Odinani,Serer...do they also come from middle east?

MacDaddy01:


Sorry, for the abuse!

However, there is nothing I hate than when a Nigerian gives credit to foreigners while neglecting and insulting his forefathers. How one can claim that African traditional religions came from the middle east is beyond me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion

Sir, I don't know where in my previous posts I gave credit to foreigners,neglecting or insulting our forefather.

D sage:

Sir, I don't know where in my previous posts I gave credit to foreigners,neglecting or insulting our forefather.

You did so when yo claimed that african traditional religions came from the middle east! Most that I know of a rooted in their tribes.