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.. by Nobody: 10:25am On Sep 27, 2012
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Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 10:30am On Sep 27, 2012
Who is dis joker. I am from bakassi if u make such statements state ur authority os shut ur mouth.ban me for all I care
Re: .. by Nobody: 10:39am On Sep 27, 2012
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Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 11:27am On Sep 27, 2012
I have asked u to state ur authority is that so hard.learn to make concrete statements .the people of bakassi are efik speaking originally with pockets of mbo,ijaw,illajes e.t.c go and read the history of the efik people or google books by proffessor etim ukpong aye on the history of the efiks and the bakassi.please try research I do not exchange words with people who argue without facts
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 11:42am On Sep 27, 2012
For your informatiom my family name was originally abasi eke.this was the name that was bastardized to bakassi by the white traders in that region during the slave trade and palm oil business era.although we now bear bassey which is obviously more user friendly however some of us r reverting back to abasi eke.we r still represented in the obongs council under old calabar(obutong) and r given first class respect in that institution
As efiks we trace our root through arochukwu to uruan to our present settlement of course I can go back but I need you to research since u know better than me or my dad or grandfather who has been an obong of calabar
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 11:48am On Sep 27, 2012
Which nigeria is better than cameroon?is it the one obj destroyed?I spent a good part of my life in ikom and needless to say I have been to cameroon but as usuall u seem to make statements without facts try coming out with economic indices to buttress ur point
Re: .. by dafman10(m): 1:49pm On Sep 27, 2012
the sherriff: I have asked u to state ur authority is that so hard.learn to make concrete statements .the people of bakassi are efik speaking originally with pockets of mbo,ijaw,illajes e.t.c go and read the history of the efik people or google books by proffessor etim ukpong aye on the history of the efiks and the bakassi.please try research I do not exchange words with people who argue without facts

Dont u know Aare Musiwa? D Satellite picture one of Yoruba Kingdom? Make u knw try am ooo....
Re: .. by gidiMonsta(m): 4:45pm On Sep 27, 2012
the sherriff: Who is dis joker. I am from bakassi if u make such statements state ur authority os shut ur mouth.ban me for all I care

Abeg no vex, it seems you just joined Nairaland thats why u don't know Aare Musiwa of the Becomerich fame. Don't push him too hard or he'll start posting 'satellite pictures' to prove that Bakassi voted to be cameroon cheesy
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 5:11pm On Sep 27, 2012
@gidimonster,tell him to bring it on I will scan documents and treaties signed on this issue and paste here on NL
Re: .. by FrankC3: 8:33pm On Sep 27, 2012
the sherriff: @gidimonster,tell him to bring it on I will scan documents and treaties signed on this issue and paste here on NL

You still don't understand. This guy is damn good with maps. You can't beat him in this game, even if you are the D.G. of National Archives (If there is anything like that).
Re: .. by Nobody: 10:07am On Sep 28, 2012
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Re: .. by Nobody: 10:09am On Sep 28, 2012
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Re: .. by Nobody: 10:24am On Sep 28, 2012
You can see flood on the river Niger.



Re: .. by Nobody: 10:27am On Sep 28, 2012
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Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 10:48am On Sep 28, 2012
Am a little bit busy I will do a reply soonest
Re: .. by dafman10(m): 2:41pm On Sep 28, 2012
the sherriff: Am a little bit busy I will do a reply soonest

Dis Sherrif, Musiwa is not a criminal u can just deal with ooo. Leave him alone cos he will drag u down to his level and beat u silly with huge years of experience. I don warn u.
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 11:18pm On Sep 28, 2012
Apparently there is a misplaced high opinion of u in this forum.how can u bring pictures of jonathan addressing united nations on security and flooding in nigeria to buttress ur point on your purported 1961 referendum.pray how does this add value to your argument?r u not aware of what is going on today on this issue?the lies and twist?if that place wasn't oil rich will u have heard of cameroun claims.r u not aware of the politcs behind the cedeing of that place to the camerouns?.can I give you something that is Already yours? You can only be given what is not yours?
Let me give u brief history of the bakor people suddenly becoming bakossi.these people r also found in northern cross river their occupation is mainly subsitence farming and hunting these people have never settled in creeks or water sides that is why they r hunters and farmers go back and check the settlement pattern of the efiks then judge for yourself!I have told u before calabar was the hub of trade at that period and
this caused agravitational pull from the camerouns hinterlands with the disputed bakassi being there first port probably. the efut people which is today an integral part of the calabar people they have there own language like the bakor people known as ejagham and trace their origin from the cameroun do these people claim the bakassi pennisula ,NO! It may also interest u to know that there is a village in the present bakassi LGA known as ikang which shares a common boundary with another village in caneroun called ekang ofcourse seperated by the river.is that enough reason for cameroun to claim ikang?or nigeria to claim ekang?

My friend u r obviously a yoruba man and u race is known to argue but believe you know nothing about my history just as it will be foolhardy of me to try to lecture u on yours.come to think of it why is benin republic not claiming badagary!and if they do they can send rick tarfa(SAN) or a hausa lawyer to defend their case just like yoruba lawyers where drafted to defend the efiks and their land
Try and google the book written by the people of old calabar by proff E U Aye he is an efik historian not of the bakassi extraction he is 94 years now this I know because we celebrated him this year in calabar if there was such a referedum he would have documented it and my dad would probably have been a signatory to that document.for your information Aye was the principal of the famous hope waddell training institution in the mid 70's 1961 wasn't too far behind
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 11:53pm On Sep 28, 2012
If delta decides to make ita giwa their NRC chairman it their business but the truth is she gave bakassi people a voice when we had none.that I will forever be gratefull
Re: .. by Nobody: 2:28am On Sep 29, 2012
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Re: .. by Nobody: 3:41am On Sep 29, 2012
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Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 6:15am On Sep 29, 2012
I can see the compass and it shows that bakassi is owned by cameroun__Nna na wa o! Obviously your compass gave bakassi to cameroun and portions of lake chad to nigeria.well my compass ceded the lake chad axis to cameroun and the bakassi axis to nigeria.


If u look at the oil wells in delta state a lot of them r in ondo state__i expected this from you

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Re: .. by ijigbamigb(m): 7:07am On Sep 29, 2012
The truth about Bakassi, Nigeria and Cameroun – Bola Ajibola

On September 29, 2012 · In Special Report

4:09 am

By Bashir Adefaka
Prince Bola Ajibola (SAN), former Nigerian Minister of Justice and Attorney-General of the Federation, was on the Panel of Judges, at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which decided on the issue of Bakassi between Nigeria and Cameroun. 

The former Nigerian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom took time off his busy schedule, even at  78, to narrate to Saturday Vanguard at his Hilltop GRA home in Abeokuta recently  how the ceding of Bakassi to Cameroun actually occurred. Excerpts:

You were not only a serving judge at The Hague when the International Court of Justice (ICJ) gave its verdict ceding Bakassi to Cameroun. What really happened and what do you say about the clamour for appeal that is presently going on?

To start with, there is nothing like appeal in our International Court of Justice (ICJ).  There is nothing like that.

You see what I mean?  An application can be made to review certain aspects of the judgment but not strictly speaking an appeal.  So, an appeal does not lie to our court there.



All they are now doing is belated and overtaken by events.  What they ought to have done is to have put their house in order before even independence and immediately after independence.

To be frank, when the situation became virtually what it is today, the Ministry of Justice, in those years in early 60s, sought for legal opinion on this matter and because of what happened in  1913 in the Anglo-German Agreement, it was since then that we have this uphill task because it was Britain that ceded the whole of that Bakassi area, well described in Article 21 and 22 of that agreement, specifically to Germany.



Prince Bola-Ajibola

Germany, when it suffered defeat during the Second World War, was deprived of that area and Bakassi went to France and it was France that gave independence to Cameroun and that was how Cameroun got into it.

A lot of people have been saying a lot of things that are not really correct.  In most cases, we ourselves as Nigerians bastardized our position because, as far back as 1961, we had written a note to Cameroun telling Cameroun that we Nigerians are aware of the fact that they own Bakassi!

Throughout all these 1960s and 1970s, our map of Nigeria was always indicating the excise of Bakassi out of our own land in Nigeria as part of what belongs to Cameroon.  In fact, it has further been stamped by the fact that we agreed that our boundary is in Akwa Yafe as opposed to Rio del Rey. If we own Bakassi, the boundary would have been in Rio del Rey and not Akwa Yafe.  We agreed to that! We Nigerians in Nigeria here.

And we even at a time asked Professor Valad in Britain to advise us on the matter and that professor told us clearly that we had an uphill task, that what we thought we owned had already been transferred to Cameroun through that treaty.  That is the situation.

But there are still questions to be answered, which had already been ignored or decided against by the ICJ and you can read a lot of that in my ‘dissenting opinion’.  Your see, the situation is far more than what a lot of people have been talking about.

It is what has happened beyond our time, before our time.  We are now raking the misfortune of yesteryears and we are now the victims of the problems that arose before now.  That was at the time of our independence.

From what you have said, where and how did General Gowon, General Obasanjo and you came into this controversy because it has been said that Gowon started it, Obasanjo gave it out and you sat on the panel that decided the case against Nigeria?

No.  It is wrong.  They are not mentioning the names that they ought to mention, which really prejudiced our case before the ICJ.  They ought to mention the name of our Minister of Foreign Affairs just immediately after our independence in 1961 that really in his note gave Bakassi to Cameroun.  That should be mentioned.

We are just the unfortunate victims of what had happened before our time in Nigeria.  And a lot of things happened advertently and inadvertently through our regular mistakes or misfortunes.

Then, how in the first instance, did the matter get to the ICJ?

Cameroun took us to ICJ.  And let me say this, that in fact it was during the time of this litigation at the ICJ on the application by Cameroun that we started changing our map to include Bakassi (laughs).

That was the obvious and the judges are human beings.  They are there equipped with evidence put in by Cameroun.  It’s a case of an admission that we have taken on ourselves to cede all this area to Cameroun based even upon the 1913 Anglo-German Treaty and based on what we lawyers call pacta sunt savanda.

It is very, very unfortunate that a kettle is now calling a pot black.  It ought not to be at all because the mistake or the problem started right from the beginning of our independence.  Those who are now shouting ought to have started shouting at that time if they could get hold of all that we did.

But why do you think the Nigerian side appeared to be complacent over the judgment that they didn’t talk about it until now?

Let me say something here.  Bakassi is not the beginning and end of the whole issue.  What Cameroun took us to ICJ for was not only Bakassi.  It had to do with the land in Lake Chad; the land boundary between the two of us, the land boundary between Nigeria and Cameroun from Lake Chad to the Sea as well as Bakassi and the maritime boundary.  The maritime limit that they asked for and that is asking for virtually all the sea boundary of our present Nigeria.

Let me say that if they had succeeded in that, we would have been in the misfortune of having no more oil, at least the foreshore oil.  We would not be so privileged any longer.

But that is not the most heinous part of the action that was taken by Cameroun.  Cameroun took Nigeria to court on what we call ‘state responsibility’.  It’s like a criminal charge against Nigeria.  If they had succeeded in that one alone, we would have been thrown into endless debt that must be payable to Cameroun.

We never allowed that to happen because we counterclaimed against them on it, which saved us the internal slavery to Cameroun and being in perpetual penury in which we would have been till today and henceforth.  We did not allow that to happen to us.  But that wasn’t all.

Those who are criticizing should go and look into the judgment again and they will find out that virtually we gained generally rather than losing.  Because the entire land that Cameroun had occupied in Nigeria, and we were able to ascertain that belong to Nigeria on the land boundary, far exceeded that which is now claimed in Bakassi.  And we were able to claim it back from them.

Could you  give a bit of the details of what we gained and what do you advise the agitators for return of Bakassi to Nigeria to do?

In Chad area, we knew that it was the ceding of the water that forced our people out of that place and since the water kept drying up, we got into that situation.

We moved out of that but they also moved out of the Southern part of that Chad which they occupied and which belong to Nigeria. But I think before they start doing anything, I mean those that are now talking, they should not look into Bakassi alone because, Bakassi is not a be-all-and-earn-all of the whole things involved in this dispute.

It is the land and maritime boundary.  We gained extensively considering the claim of Cameroun against us on the maritime boundary.  We gained extensively in that.

They must not be myopic, they must be objective and they must look into the whole judgment before passing any judgment further on what they may likely go back to the court for.

Again, the whole dispute had three phases, I have to say.  It started with the preliminary objection on admissibility and jurisdiction.

We first of all told the court that, that action is misconceived and should not be entertained.  We gave eight reasons for this but the whole thing was turned down by the court and the court rejected all those reasons .

Then the case on merit. Also, before that, there was also an application on …..on certain aspects of the case.

These people should go into our archives and be well informed and be well educated on this thing and in fact the antecedents before litigations.

They should look into it.  And they should look again into the history of what is Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria and all that moved.  Because the Northern Nigeria moved into Nigeria while part of Southern Nigeria went to Cameroun.  So, we need to look into all that.  We need to check our facts before we start talking.

Just before stop this discussion, let me quickly ask: Why is it that our Constitution still reflects Bakassi as one of the 774 Local Governments of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and yet we believe, as a system that Bakassi has been ceded?

Whatever may be the problem with implementing a decision of the court is the internal problem of Nigeria and that, in itself, is strictly domestic.  All we need to do is to check the Section 12 of our Constitution and put our house in order.

The international community is not concerned about that.  Internationally judgment has been given against us with regard to Bakassi and that, they are aware of.

As a matter of fact there are so many things that one needs not come out with in this matter that could have happened disastrously to what is called Nigeria.  And as a matter of fact, if we had done something else, there would be no Nigeria by now and arms conflicts would have taken over and there are so many countries in this world that are so friendly with the position of Cameroun because they are of the view that Cameroun has Bakassi.

Meaning that even if the verdict hasn’t favoured Cameroun, it could have declared war against Nigeria believing there are so many world powers that would come to its aid?

They could because so many powerful countries in the world are behind Cameroun on this matter.  We have seen that and we have been told about that.  We are aware of that and actions are already going on, on that.  So, we must be very careful.

And I repeat that we must be very careful.  We must think again and we must look into the history.  Those who are talking now must first of all go into the history and look at all that happened before independence and immediately after independence.

You see what I mean?  And they should look into all the powers exercised by the colonial masters and all the international agreements and treaties.  It is worth looking at and, perhaps, they should read my Dissenting Opinion.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/the-truth-about-bakassi-nigeria-and-cameroun-bola-ajibola/
Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 8:25am On Sep 29, 2012
These people should go into our archives and be well informed and be well educated on this thing and in fact the antecedents before litigations


I agree but how far back are we willing to go?this issue goes far beyond the anglo-german treaty which was for all intent and purpose politically motivated
Re: .. by Nobody: 6:04pm On Sep 30, 2012
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Re: .. by thesherriff(m): 12:03pm On Oct 03, 2012
Who ever is in charge here I am giving u 20mins to explain why my last post was deleted.if it was becos of plagiarism which I believe not becos I quoted my source if not all u ethnic biased yoruba bigots on this blog GO TO HELL

I hereby resign my membership of this blog forthwith and whoever is in charge of hiding post should delete me immediately I get a reply

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