paniki:

lol. What is the definition of the word INSANITY?

cap28:

Morpheus/Paniki what is the point in posting pictures of whites socialising with whites in predominantly white parts of south africa?  You are reinforcing what we already knew about south africa -that blacks and whites live separate and vastly unequal lives just like blacks in Jim Crow America did in the 1950s.

No matter how much you try to convince yourselves to the contrary white south africans do not want to share south africa with you, they are doing everything humanly possible to continue to live as far away from you as possible.

Take a look at the pictures you posted- how many of them show blacks enjoying the good life along with whites in  your so called fake rainbow nation?

cap28:

I will tell you what the definition of insanity is - thinking that you are free when you are enslaved.

You already admitted to me in a previous thread that you black south africans own nothing of value in your own country. 

You also admitted that ALL OF THE CORPORATIONS, BANKS AND INDUSTRIES REMAIN IN THE HANDS OF THE WHITES and yet you have the nerve to think you are free.

A mad man is one who walks around in chains whilst shouting from the rooftops that they are free.

Mandela sold your birthright to the white capitalists that is why you will never ever regain control over your own country.

Keep posting pictures of whites living off the wealth of your land while your people live in penury in overcrowded townships - fool.

cap28:

Morpheus/Paniki what is the point in posting pictures of whites socialising with whites in predominantly white parts of south africa? You are reinforcing what we already knew about south africa -that blacks and whites live separate and vastly unequal lives just like blacks in Jim Crow America did in the 1950s.

No matter how much you try to convince yourselves to the contrary white south africans do not want to share south africa with you, they are doing everything humanly possible to continue to live as far away from you as possible.

Take a look at the pictures you posted- how many of them show blacks enjoying the good life along with whites in your so called fake rainbow nation?

paniki:

My pics show that the place where Zolzlolz lives is not interested in integrating hence the city is known to be racist that's why Zolzlolz is so against whites although with a little bit less passion than you. If she lived in Langa or khayelitsha or the other black areas she would not be so against whites. But Rondebosch which is the area around UCT is just full of whites and so she feels excluded

paniki:

You missed the point as usual. Morpheus' pics showcase racial integration in South Africa to show Corporal that them whites aint going nowhere but choosing to live alongside blacks and therefore SA will not collapse as Corporal is wishing. My pics show that the place where Zolzlolz lives is not interested in integrating hence the city is known to be racist that's why Zolzlolz is so against whites although with a little bit less passion than you. If she lived in Langa or khayelitsha or the other black areas she would not be so against whites. But Rondebosch which is the area around UCT is just full of whites and so she feels excluded

cap28:

How many whites in south africa socialise with black south africans?

cap28:


How many whites live in black neighbourhoods in south africa?

cap28:


HOw many whites chose to send their children to schools in predominantly black neighbourhoods?

cap28:


The fact that you as a black south african can't even feel comfortable in certain parts of your own  country further proves that you have been excluded from your own country, the fact that you no longer have to carry passes does not change the fact that whites don't want you in their neighbourhoods, schools, offices or shopping malls.  Thats why they have created enclaves like cape town for themselves to make it clear to the blacks that they are not welcome in certain parts of the country.

Why must Zolzolz have to confine herself to another part of her own country - doesnt that prove that despite the so called demise of aparthied you are still living under a segregated system?

Despite things changing they have remained the same as the whites are still calling the shots and keeping you out of areas that they have set aside for themselves.

paniki:

Here's a challenge: please quote any comment I made on nairaland where i stated that ALL OF THE CORPORATIONS, BANKS AND INDUSTRIES REMAIN IN THE HANDS OF THE WHITES

You are now trying to make yourselves lose credibility by misrepresenting my views. You becoming a classic nutcase that always misinterpret peoples comments just to fit his delusional worldview

The problem with Corporal is that he became quickly defensive and foolishly believed that every black person on this forum is against whites. It would've been wise for him to lay low and observe how we continually castigate racist idiots like you. Now Corporal has in a way made us stoop to your lousy level of looking at everything from a racial point of view

Corporal just so you know, there aren't that many racists on this forum. You made a silly assumption

cap28:


In order to be racist you have to be able to exercise power in such a way that it adversely affects the economic well being of another group of people.

Black people in general do not have that kind of power - not yet but we will if we can stop begging, pleading and kow towing to the white supremacist structure. 

morpheus24:

You must know since you left your 400 square foot flat on tour of Africa

What kind of s.t.u.p.i.d. question is that?
ehhhh?

Paniki, remember you are talking to someone who gets all his info from you tube videos and doesn't have enough money to leave his 400 squre foot flat in the center of Lewisham cause the British govt is taxing 40% of his income.

He's a cyber warrior.

cap28:

How does the posting of pictures of blacks and whites in nightclubs prove that blacks own or control any of south africa's wealth?  why are you such a dullard?

cap28:


I know you ran away to south africa to try and make a living in order to escape the structural adjustment programmes in nigeria but try and show a little bit of dignity.  The blacks over there dont want you there and the whites certainly dont. Stop all of this bootlicking and face up to the truth for once in your life.  South africa is a segregated country which is still not where it needs to be in terms of black empowerment - but this is too much for thickos like you to understand.

[b]South Africa is home to the perfect, and unique, example of the Majority-minority phenomenon. Africans are a majority but an economic and culturally a minority: The subaltern in their own land of demographic dominance. And today the responsibility for this rest with the leadership and their failure to empower and sensitize the people via conscious self-awareness and agency. They have failed in understanding the dynamics of the problem. They are unconcerned with the energy it will take to repair this social-economic problem and primarily, worried about possible economic downtime if any sincere attempts are made.

Still you get Blacks shopping in expensive malls in the suburbs and feeling superior to other Africans because of these "wonders", didn't anyone tell them they don't own anything, they are just guest in someone else's house. Didn't someone tell them those malls weren't built for them? These are the perks of being a slave in a White man's house. So yes South Africa has many freedoms in areas non-effective at deeper liberation; so much freedom it gives people two free hands to hang themselves with. [/b]



One thing that is rarely debated is how South Africa, post 94, has implemented a policy of national brainwashing rhetoric; identical to that of the American dream that built USA national pride, a lie repeated by the poorest African-Americans who live on the breadline.  This South African rhetoric is the de facto language of every politician.The excuse for the so-called TRC was to prevent a "blood bath", people take it without question and vomit it back out. "We had to do what we did to prevent a blood bath." If repeated enough, it becomes fixed as fact. Who said that there would have been a blood bath had a revolutionary path taken? How can a blood bath come about if you seek justice against war criminals and create a strong African (Black) economy? What is the source of this study that says they prevented a blood bath? Was there a blood bath in Germany after the Nuremberg Trials? Was there a blood bath when Castro nationalized Cuba?
South Africa's economically active population (EAP) was 74% African, 11% colored, 3% Indian and 12% white. These proportions are clearly not replicated in top management structures across the country, in which only 20% are filled by Africans, 5% by colored people and 7% by Indians. 64% of top senior management positions are filled by whites. Most departments spit out these statics but have failed to deal with the root of the problem in a holistic way.

http://www.africanholocaust.net/articles/SOUTH%20AFRICA%2010%20DAYS.htm

South Africa, the symbol of hope for Africa and the World. Proof that a righteous transition does not have to be a blood bath - At least this is what it says in the brochure. 

Pseudo-nationalities where created at the end of apartheid with every single action servicing the exiting apartheid elites. The 2% Africans who escaped into the hills of Santon would become the new buffers and protectors of white wealth.

[b]INDIAN BUFFER AND WHITES

Whiteness is an asset in South Africa, just browse through the adverts of people looking for work because if White is not an asset why do people say "I am a White, " , or "White couple looking for , " They do this because Whiteness has currency and is an unwritten entry card. 100% a White receptionist will be hired over a Zulu receptionist. Because of the racist value attached to White privilege.
 



Lets ask a question. An African man takes an Indian woman back to his village for marriage- how will she be treated? An Indian woman takes an African man back to her community for marriage how will he be treated. This highlights a fundamental difference between Africans and everyone else. Indians in South Africa are boasting about 150 Years of climbing the economic ladder to being now "Captains of industry" .How did they get this "success" at whose expense? And are they SA first? How many SA Indian women have you seen with African men? They have their own Indian channels, their Indian culture, a deep connection to everything India from films to food, so are we sure they are South African first? During Apartheid Indians were the social-economic buffer protecting White privilege. And in their defense, they were used by Whites but have profited from their preferential relationship with Whites. Now Indians in South Africa should stay Indian first, but they should then stop deceiving the people about their loyalties. An Indian film made by an Indian from Durban is triumphed by Black politicians from Durban, because the filmmaker is from Durban. The story is Indian, the cast and crew are Indian, the motives and profits are Indian but "White Gold" is a champion of the accomplishments of Durban. This is the mentality of Black politicians in South Africa, who put silly notions of nationality above race, while Whites and Indians continue to put race first without apology
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cap28:

^^^^

you know nothing about me, where i live or where i have been in the world, so i would advise you not to jump to conclusions.

Rhodesia:

He was a spearchuking murderer.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/d/dd/Africa%26Europe.gif

Pi0neer:

@Topic,
I don't think Mandela was a terrorist. Only people like Carlos the Jackal, or even Osama, who were essentially guns for hire, can be called terrorists.
Mandela stood against racial segregation in his own homeland. The white settlers in my opinion were the real terrorists, as they deployed more than 100 times more force against Mandela's people than Mandela could ever have mustered against them. Also killed so many blacks over the years. How many white people were killed by the ANC?

As for the other side gists, I would agree with cap28.
White people still seek to enslave blacks everywhere, either directly or indirectly. Also, I think black people are asleep. Nowadays you see blacks just trying their best to prove to themselves that they can be just like whites in lifestyle. Unlike Asians who have their own distinct beliefs and goals, blacks have no aspirations than trying to be like the white man and enjoy the white man's luxuries. They're always chasing the white's material possessions. Black people have no societal values of their own anymore, thanks to slavery and colonisation.

I think it's a bit off for morpheus to post pictures of black people having fun in predominantly white parties, or pictures of houses in white-owned neighbourhoods owned by blacks. What does that prove? When will blacks build and promote their own societies?

Mind you, I think South Africa is the only nation of black people that stands a chance. I think they are more nationalistic than any other black people. Nigeria for example, is a country hated by every single citizen of that country, including the elites who only seek to rob the nation.

Pi0neer:

As for the other side gists, I would agree with cap28.
White people still seek to enslave blacks everywhere, either directly or indirectly. Also, I think black people are asleep. Nowadays you see blacks just trying their best to prove to themselves that they can be just like whites in lifestyle. Unlike Asians who have their own distinct beliefs and goals, blacks have no aspirations than trying to be like the white man and enjoy the white man's luxuries. They're always chasing the white's material possessions. Black people have no societal values of their own anymore, thanks to slavery and colonisation.

Pi0neer:


I think it's a bit off for morpheus to post pictures of black people having fun in predominantly white parties, or pictures of houses in white-owned neighbourhoods owned by blacks. What does that prove? When will blacks build and promote their own societies?

paniki:

Whites built infrastructure for themselves and Mandela and his people went on a mission to destroy what whites built as a way to get their attention. Now you can consider different philosophies and even read Long Walk to Freedom to understand his justifications but it doesn't change the fact that there were laws and there are still laws which prohibit any person or organization from damaging private or state property.

And whites didn't kill that many black people, probably less than 3 000 in all the many decades of Apartheid. The TRC concluded that there were around 500 white on black killings from 1948 to 1994. The vast majority was black on black violence usually involving IFP militant.

Whites have set the STANDARDS of living worldwide and most people in this world aspire to reach such standards. It's true that black South Africans in urban areas have been westernised and have become detached from African roots but they don't care, as long as they live comfy lives it's fine with them. But you mustn't confuse urban South Africa with rural South Africa - two different worlds. http://www.encounter.co.za/what-to-do/culture/cultural-villages/

How about these pictures from Mzoli's Place in Gugs, Cape Town.

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSQna370-YLpjRJTglLGwa-hn0qhR8JW6YPE3EzZGozGvYwzcJEQ[/img] [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRno8dynmUxiPrg-W6U_WxIG-EmXVL8NvXrEPVgDq3Y518zyJHi[/img] [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWy5gYC29gL9R6pxO-grKlT04o3KeyrlPeCQq_Nnz02dAxN5byOg[/img] [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFWrLpX6ZchxZknEATfd7RabGefhp7ziVs4rb7ff4zhmoiA3P9_Q[/img] [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNLJA2NSqpxAOYNrlbaBUwhtu11C6WgUPxIIGJJ9yQisOfKsTa[/img] [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfkVJD83zBIHvCdW1LlG0mZNnXyoKm0tunI-N-UHOF6aIyrDfb[/img]

Now see what a black man who was once in prison has now built

http://zaronline.co.za/bars-lounges/

It goes back to national achievement which eliminates regional ethnic competition. South Africa is a ethnically divided country with different ethnic groups occupying different provinces and then the economic power of Gauteng makes sure that all provinces sing from the same hymnbook. Most of the Zulus live in their homeland KwaZulu-Natal province, the Xhosas live in the Eastern Cape Province, the Basotho live in Lesotho and Free State province, Batswana live in Botswana and the North-West province, Swatis live in Swaziland and Mpumalanga province which they share with close relatives the Ndebeles as well as Tsongas who also live in Mozambique, the Pedis live in Limpopo province which they share with the Vendas who have their own homeland close to the Zim boarder. Since all ethnic tribes of South Africa have their own homelands it should be obvious that whites didn't steal any land but created modern centers that were once vacant which people from all ethnic groups have now moved to like Gauteng province. So essentially Apartheid affected economic migrants who left their homelands and trekked to places developed by whites and then they received unwelcome reception.

Pi0neer:

@paniki,
Thanks a lot for your response, quite informative.
It's interesting to read that blacks killed during apartheid was a little more than 3,000. To those of us outside, the mainstream media make it sound like it was a lot more.

On the issue of blacks and standard of living, I am merely saying that blacks need to move from being consumers to becoming producers. Black nations need to be able to produce goods and services for its own consumption, as opposed to being at best distributors or consumers of goods produced for developed white nations. The Mzoli's Cafe for example, is it a franchise business? Black business all over the world hardly grows beyond the personalities who started them.

paniki:

It's a matter of education and knowledge creation. Developed countries have people who live to just create knowledge and new concepts and then pass on those new concepts to interested people within their population through formal education. Those who get the knowledge and new concepts passed on to them will then be in a position were they KNOW how to produce things and others can use such skills to create new demand in society. 20 years ago the internet was just something known to those who live to just create knowledge and new concepts. They developed and set standards for this thing which everyone now uses. So I.T is white mans concept just like most other things, therefore whites will continue to be successful for as long as they continue to create new knowledge and concepts which set global standards.

So to answer your question - most black people at the moment cannot be producers as you want them to be because they don't KNOW how to produce.

African countries need to invest in the development of black EXPERTS in all fields because it is experts who run the world and set standards which get adopted by government and commerce and society. African countries should ensure that were capacity lacks to develop black experts in their own country they should be sent abroad for training and then be returned to pass on the knowledge to the general interested public. Most African countries fail to understand this important requirement which means that their development will always be determined by suggestions made by foreign experts who don't have real life experience with the country.

Vivian. SA:

@paniki
I'm not quite certain if you are condoning apartheid and taking a stand to safe it was seggregation of black south africans in homelands which ultimately contributed to building and developing south africa. Hopefully I am not understanding you quite well but if I do I don't know either to laugh or weep at your politics and economics. Africans it seems that the coloniser has still won over you, his method of divide and rule africans seems to have worked.

Vivian. SA:

@Zolzlolz
Cape Town is city in south africa and in africa. Africans have longed been in cape town before 1652 when the Dutch arrived at the Cape. Africans in Cape Town lived there and traded with each other and made a living.If you want to live in Cape Town you have every right to do so free from racism.Sadly this is not so but this is your birth right and you can't run from racism and a city you want to live in by looking for a city that has people of your colour. That is oppression at its rife and the city Cape Town is in your country governed by the same constitution that governs the whole country and which constitution is the highest law of the land.
@pikini I'm saddened by your response for Zolzlolz to leave and find another province if he wants to be treated with diginity as a human as a white south african, this is sad.