italo: @ logicboy,

I don't mean to be rude, but permit me to keep avoiding any direct conversation with you. Experience has taught that nothing good or worthwhile comes out of it. Very little logis, reasoning, decency and maturity; but much of insults, vulgarity and misplaced exuberance.

...And I hope that you will prove me right very quickly.

italo: @ logicboy,

I don't mean to be rude, but permit me to keep avoiding any direct conversation with you. Experience has taught that nothing good or worthwhile comes out of it. Very little logis, reasoning, decency and maturity; but much of insults, vulgarity and misplaced exuberance.

...And I hope that you will prove me right very quickly.

Logicboy03:
The muslim god has chosen people- Arabs

Logicboy03: At what rate? Nigeria is about 40% muslim and 40% christian.

Logicboy03: -Why do Nigerian muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca when their country's tourism is dead?

Logicboy03: Religion is to blame for many things as I have pointed out

F00028:
FALSE


HUH?


the Muslim pilgrimage is a religious obligation not a mere tourism.



like what? be specific to Islam if you can.

Logicboy03:
1) Proof that the muslim God has a chosen people which are Arabs
-The only muslim prophet is an Arab- (Mohammed)
-The Quran was revealed in Arabic

Logicboy03: -To fully understand the Quran (as claimed by muslim imams and resident muslims on NL) you must understand Arabic

Logicboy03: -Muslims must face Arabic lands when praying
-Muslims go on pilgrimage to Arab lands as a pillar of their religion

Logicboy03: And the damning evidence;
The Quran says: “You [Muslims] are the best nation brought out for Mankind, commanding what is righteous (معروف Maʻrūf, lit. "recognized [as good]" and forbidding what is wrong (منكر Munkar, lit. "unrecognized [as good]"…” [3:110].

Logicboy03: Concerning Muslim issues,
We have
-Sexism and abuse of women's rights. Lesser inheritance,

Logicboy03: they cant marry christians or jews and wife beating.

Logicboy03: -Violence. There will always be people who take the violent verses in the Quran literally. Bin Laden and co.

F00028:
wrong again. Muhammad (SAW) may be the only arab prophet but he was not the only muslim prophet. we have many others (non arabs)e.g Abraham (SAW), Moses (SAW) etc

as for the last prophet being an arab, well he had to come from somewhere, didn't he? and the language which spoke was the language his message was given to him and recorded.

F00028:
Islam is not a racial religion.


not if you have a good teacher. but everyone is entitled to his/her opinion

F00028:
muslims specifically face the "house of God" which was built by Abraham (non arab) for his worship. before that we used to face jerusalem.

it provides uniformity in our prayer and some other acts of worship.


"muslims" not "arabs"

F00028:
that's only 1/4 true there are other instances when:
-they inherit as much as men,
-they inherit more than men, and
-they inherit while men don't

F00028:
muslim women can only marry muslim men. what's your beef with that?

F00028:
wife beating:
first, God's last prophet is our example and he never beat any of his wives at any time!
second, the verse in the Quran that supposedly gives that permission contains the word "idribuhunna". though it's almost universally translated as "beat them (lightly)" it also means to depart, separate, leave them etc. which is more consistent with the prophet's actions and sayings about matrimony.

F00028:
that's not Islam's doing.

Logicboy03:
Abraham- Father of Jews. Hebrew name. Arabic/arabs did not exist during his time.
Moses- Jewish guy with the Jewish scriptures and Jewish leader.
Jesus. A Jewish messiah who live among Jews.
The only muslim prophet was Mohammed, an Arab guy

Logicboy03: Stop lying for islam. Your Muezzin shouts in Arabic not English both in Nigeria and English speaking countries.

Logicboy03: Arabic is needed to fully understand the Quran.

Logicboy03: Abraham did not build the Kabba. Even Jews will tell you that there remains no evidence for Abraham, yet you muslims miraculously found a house he built thousands of miles away from where he lived.

Logicboy03: Why do you face Mecca?

Logicboy03: Why is it a pillar to go to Mecca? Did the Quran say that Hajj is a pillar?

Logicboy03: Stop lying. A brother gets twice that of a sister Always.

Logicboy03: 5 of yor best Quranic translators (Ali, Pickthall, Shakir etc) translate the word to "beat". Why should I trust your apologist translation.

Logicboy03: Ther are hadiths that say that Aisha was struck by Muahmmad.

Logicboy03: Really? Has someone ever read "The God Delusion" and went on a killing spree?

F00028:

what part of Islam is not a racial religion did you not get?

Islam's prophets don't have to be Arabs.


you want him to call the prayer in the over 6000 spoken languages
or must everything have to be your be in your colonial masters' language?


if you insist.

and because the jews say so...? skip it. it's not even important.

Martian:

This is not about those other people but Africans. If data is collected about education and the resultant progress it affords, I am sure that Africa will be dead last. Africa and the black diaspora's "peculiar" problem is the dearth of useful knowledge in the societies.Instead, we are inundated with images, sounds and rhetoric of primitive middle eastern superstitions and the fatalistic attitudes they promote.

This overt and excessive religiosity coupled with sub par governmental/societal instituitons and policies, don't afford for a conducive environment for the proliferation of the useful knowledge that humans need at this point in time.
On this site, all these religious people have a problem with evolution and they will rather believe that some jewish magician created two original humans from clay. Of what use is the belief in Adam and Eve in the 21st century?
If the knowledge of the theory of evolution is widespread in the society, people will get interested the subject, which will lead to a better educated society. This in turn could lead to scientific advancements and a disease like malaria could be cured. That same knowledge of evolution could lead to better agricultural techniques better suited to the african clime. Better agriculture means better food, better food means a better nourished population etc etc

But people will rather fight this knowledge. Why?
Because the bible (some primitive and ignorant jews)said so.....and "Daddy G.O said....."

............f#ck it, let me get off my soap box.

Martian:

This is not about those other people but Africans. If data is collected about education and the resultant progress it affords, I am sure that Africa will be dead last. Africa and the black diaspora's "peculiar" problem is the dearth of useful knowledge in the societies.Instead, we are inundated with images, sounds and rhetoric of primitive middle eastern superstitions and the fatalistic attitudes they promote.

This overt and excessive religiosity coupled with sub par governmental/societal instituitons and policies, don't afford for a conducive environment for the proliferation of the useful knowledge that humans need at this point in time.
On this site, all these religious people have a problem with evolution and they will rather believe that some jewish magician created two original humans from clay. Of what use is the belief in Adam and Eve in the 21st century?
If the knowledge of the theory of evolution is widespread in the society, people will get interested the subject, which will lead to a better educated society. This in turn could lead to scientific advancements and a disease like malaria could be cured. That same knowledge of evolution could lead to better agricultural techniques better suited to the african clime. Better agriculture means better food, better food means a better nourished population etc etc

But people will rather fight this knowledge. Why?
Because the bible (some primitive and ignorant jews)said so.....and "Daddy G.O said....."

............f#ck it, let me get off my soap box.

truthislight:

evolution is very recent, was it a necessity for all the formulation of all the mathematical theories by the founding fathers of real science that is still being used till this day?

I mean, they knew nothing about what you call "evolutionary theory" but they layed the foundation for real science.

Passing out "junk" for food

italo: @ logicboy,

I don't mean to be rude, but permit me to keep avoiding any direct conversation with you. Experience has taught that nothing good or worthwhile comes out of it. Very little logis, reasoning, decency and maturity; but much of insults, vulgarity and misplaced exuberance.

...And I hope that you will prove me right very quickly.

celeboi: Please I will appreciate concrete your Opinion. I got this from someone Facebook Page and thought it wise we discuss on it.


Listen to Reason! Africans are the most confused race on this planet!

They will be anything other than themselves and that is like spitting on the God that created you.They will speak any language other than their own,they will wear any hair style other than their own,they will worship any God other than their own,they will go to any temple ot her than their own,they will wear any clothes other than their own.They simply hate themselves or were made to hate themselves,any which way they do hate themselves..

Wheather we want to admit it or not, religion has done major damage to black people..It has pacified us in the worse way and turn us against each other. Let it be remembered well!!

Logicboy03:



What nonsense are you on about?


When we say that some christians are ignorant, you will complain.


Your bible is not scientific, get over it

Logicboy03:
1) Your religion has only one prophet that was muslim and that is an Arab man called Muhammad.
F A L S E


2) Your Muezzins should be smart enough to use the local language to call prayers in whatever country they are in. Rather than show respect, they call prayers in Arabic like Arab slaves
he's not calling you, he's calling us and we're heppy with the uniformity


3) Your religion came to Nigeria through Arab slave traders. It did not come peacefully
PROVE IT


4) Allah supported the muslim Arabs in their fights against the Jews as stated in the Quran.
HE supports muslims, period

5) Even you have demonstrated that one can not fully understand the Quran without knowing Arabic as yu are complaining that 5 of your best translators of the Quran got SURAH 4;34 wrong.
your local language does not have words with more than one meaning


6) Your religion is racist. Arab this, Arab that. You want to know why muslims did not want their women not marrying non-muslims? They were Afraid that their christian and jewish slaves would marry their women.
PROVE IT
you need to stop presenting your wild fantasies as facts to be taken seriously


7) Muhammad beat Aisha according to Sahih muslim 4;2127
mistranslation again.
one advantage we have is, the original Arabic is still available side by side the translation and can always be verified

Wife beating is in the Quran. You can claim that the word doesnt translate to "beat" but then, you would be saying 2 bad things about islam
a) Arabic is a very confusing language that can not even depict the Quran's message in a clear manner.
I just explained it to you in english


9) I was talking about brothers and sisters in inheritance not step brother and full sister...
now that you've been caught lying...anyway, there's a reason for that.

Stop lying for islam
don't need you. besides, your conviction is not really that important to me

is that all you've got? show me some logic..boy03

truthislight:

very well said. The bible is not a science text book, but is meant for the salvation of all mankind and is available in about 99% of the major languages in the world.

Though not a science text book, but whenever it touches on maters of science it is always spot on.

Critics find fault.

italo: What stage of development was Africa before Christianity and Islam came to Africa?

Christianity and Islam are not Africa's problem.

F00028
1) Your religion has only one prophet that was muslim and that is an Arab man called Muhammad.
F A L S E


2) Your Muezzins should be smart enough to use the local language to call prayers in whatever country they are in. Rather than show respect, they call prayers in Arabic like Arab slaves
he's not calling you, he's calling us and we're heppy with the uniformity


3) Your religion came to Nigeria through Arab slave traders. It did not come peacefully
PROVE IT


4) Allah supported the muslim Arabs in their fights against the Jews as stated in the Quran.
HE supports muslims, period

5) Even you have demonstrated that one can not fully understand the Quran without knowing Arabic as yu are complaining that 5 of your best translators of the Quran got SURAH 4;34 wrong.
your local language does not have words with more than one meaning


6) Your religion is racist. Arab this, Arab that. You want to know why muslims did not want their women not marrying non-muslims? They were Afraid that their christian and jewish slaves would marry their women.
PROVE IT
you need to stop presenting your wild fantasies as facts to be taken seriously


7) Muhammad beat Aisha according to Sahih muslim 4;2127
mistranslation again.
one advantage we have is, the original Arabic is still available side by side the translation and can always be verified

Wife beating is in the Quran. You can claim that the word doesnt translate to "beat" but then, you would be saying 2 bad things about islam
a) Arabic is a very confusing language that can not even depict the Quran's message in a clear manner.
I just explained it to you in english


9) I was talking about brothers and sisters in inheritance not step brother and full sister...
now that you've been caught lying...anyway, there's a reason for that.

Stop lying for islam
don't need you. besides, your conviction is not really that important to me

is that all you've got? show me some logic..boy03

Logicboy03:



Yes, like God creating two lights when there is only one? Genesis1:16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

The moon is not a light. It is made of rock. Someone who was inspired or told by God these things; as is said about the writers of the Holy Bible would know that right? For God knows all.




Or a flat earth mentality?
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." - Job 38:4

"Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" - Job 38:6





Or the lie that women came from a man's ribs? Or that we were created from scratch rather than evolve from other life forms?

truthislight:

*sigh*

can be going round in circles because of 2D 3D issues.

Logicboy03:
2) You are happy that your Muezzin speaks Arabic and not your local language? Why are you then shocked when I call you an Arab slave?

F00028:
you cant shock me logicboy. I've met more militant atheists than you.

but here's the thing. by your logic, your atheism startled in europe. from diagoras, to hume, to closet atheists like voltaire and locke, right down to your latest star, dawkins- are all europeans.

you are a slave of the europeans then, not so?

plappville: Something dey happen here ooo, see arguement na

@Logicboy, i can see you know everything, you defend in every angle, you know better than every one, you are the free one why others are slaves. Well that is your own opinion, you can rightfully keep it.

Now tell me, what else can any Christian say that can make change/sense to you?
Do you want us to denounce our faith? I cant denial your posts were 100% false, there are some trace of truth in them, very tiny trace of truth. But but this does not call for your over reaction as in concluding that we are slaves.

Logicboy03:



[b]Yes, like God creating two lights when there is only one?[/b] Genesis1:16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

The moon is not a light. It is made of rock. Someone who was inspired or told by God these things; as is said about the writers of the Holy Bible would know that right? For God knows all.




Or a flat earth mentality?
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." - Job 38:4

"Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" - Job 38:6





Or the lie that women came from a man's ribs? Or that we were created from scratch rather than evolve from other life forms?

plaetton:

Hilarious. Another booboo from the word of god, or the words of stone age shepperds?

Thanks for pointing out the bolded in red. I'm just taking notice of this devine gaffe.

Logicboy03:
In Asia, Budhism is an atheistic religion. Furthermore, atheism has been in existence in Asian civilizations for long.

Logicboy03: In Africa despite our pagan history, tere were many that went against the oracles. There were people who didnt follow the traditional gods. There were kings in my tribe that gave up on gods and followed their own rules. my granny was an atheist/agnostic who was born into paganism but hardly ever followed any religion or any god as an adult.

Logicboy03:
Epic fail.
Atheism started everywhere.

F00028:
look, if you don't know something look it up! branches of buddhism incorporate deity worship.


which tribe is that? what kings? where is this documented?



all the histories of atheism I have come across point to europe and europeans: across the centuries from the first reputed diagoras to dawkins.
neither your granny nor your kings are listed.

you're a slave only you don't know it.

Will Durant explains that certain pygmy tribes found in Africa were observed to have no identifiable cults or rites. There were no totems, no deities, and no spirits