truthislight:

that is there cup of tea.

The aim of the bible is to restore back the paradise that Adam lost in the garden of eden and not some fun game thing.

When that is met we have the time of Yahweh's throne coming back to the earth in Revelation 21:1-4
the first thing that will be remove is death.

"and death will be no more"

Roman 6:23 is talking about literal death.

People have twisted the message of the bible and redirected attention to prosperity instead of God's kingdom that christ had asked his followers to pray for and that was what christ preached about.

All the bible is talking about is how man lost his original position and the arrangement God has put in place to restor it through the massaiah.

The other part is the process of bringing forth the massaiah through the nation of Israel.

Using a unique nation narrowed satan's interference, hence the laws to drive away spirit medium that satan can use to make in roads to shatter his plans.

All other nation were under the control of satan since Yahweh had abandon Adam(human) at eden.

But through a nation that he founded that were his and worshiped him, he ensured that they remain clean undefiled by satan, he then used them to produce the massaiah.

The massaiah then shows the bigger picture of Yahweh's plans = all mankind have an option to access him and be given eternal life.

If people say it is all "a spiritual symbolic" thing and not literal, they are serving a different purpose.

The kingdom of God is a literal government.
Daniel 2:44 and matthew 6:9,10 and Revelation 21:1-4

The Death in question that will be removed is the greatest plaque that has ever plaqued man and man has no answer to it not even satan, and that is exactly what Yahweh himself wants to fixe.

That was why Jesus demonstrated all he will do while he was on earth.
Peace.

obadiah777: ISAIAH 65 STARTING FROM VERSE 17 "Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth -- so wonderful that no one will even think about the old ones anymore. 18 Be glad; rejoice forever in my creation! And look! I will create Jerusalem as a place of happiness. Her people will be a source of joy. 19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem and delight in my people. And the sound of weeping and crying will be heard no more. 20 "No longer will babies die when only a few days old. No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life. No longer will people be considered old at one hundred! Only sinners will die that young! 21 In those days, people will live in the houses they build and eat the fruit of their own vineyards. 22 It will not be like the past, when invaders took the houses and confiscated the vineyards. For my people will live as long as trees and will have time to enjoy their hard-won gains.

seriallink: When I created this thread I was with the impression that Romans 6:23 and Genesis 2:17 were referring to physical death. But as time goes on, I came to understand that those verses where talking about second death. Truthislight, I replied one of your post on inurmind's thread before bringing it here. Kindly go through my reply and address it.



I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR TRUTHISLIGHT. THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY. IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. NO HUMAN BODY IS MADE TO LIVE FOREVER. SAYS IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH THAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES BEFORE WE PASS ON. PHYSICAL FLESH IS NOT MADE TO BE IMMORTAL. THE SPIRIT IS YOU AND SERIALLINK JUST WAN LIVE FOREVER SHA. UNA TOO ENJOY SUYA AND PEPPERSOUP. UNA NO WAN LET GO. HOWEVER WE WILL LIVE TO 1000 IN THE KINGDOM ( METHUSELAHS AGE RANGE IS THE ORIGINAL AGE RANGE OF MAN BEFORE IT GOT CUT DOWN TO 120 YEARS ( GENESIS 6 VS 3 ) BECAUSE OF SIN

truthislight:

this scripture is not refering to the garden of Eden that has passed but the future including the one thousand years of christ that is to come.

This period of 1000years is called the Judgement day.

Meant to judge the righteouse and the unrighteouse. john 5:28,29. And Rev. 20:12.

It is that period that Isaiah is prophetically talking about.

The people dying is toward the purpose of removing the wicked from the earth.

That Isaiah 65:20 is a prophesy toward the future, let us not be retrogressive.

seriallink:

Buzugee, I troway salute my brah!

The bolded got me laughing like a mad man

Well, my stance on this topic has changed recently, at least after studing the Bible thoroughly! We started this argument on inurmind's thread before bringing it here. I agree with most of your ideas on this!

obadiah777: THAT PASSAGE IS TALKING ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH. READ IT WELL. AND THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER. IT ENDED IN THE 1400s. THIS PERIOD IS SO CALLED BECAUSE THE ELECT ( THE TWO CANDLESTICKS BEFORE THE KING OF THE WORLD ) WERE IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD WHILE SPREADING THE MESSAGE TO THE GENTILES. THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER.

obadiah777: LOL HAILINGS MY BROTHER. PERSONALLY I THINK 1000 YEARS IS A GOOD ENOUGH TIME TO LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. IMAGINE 1000 YEARS OF JOLLOFMENT ? NO WARS, NO CRAZINESS, JUST JOLLOFMENT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. AND THEN AFTER 1000 YEARS YOU PASS ON, REST A LIL BIT AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 1000 YEARS ETC ETC ETC. PEACE FOREVER.

seriallink:

That is the part that is not clear to me. Care to elucidate? Because I thought the 1000 yrs reign would start when Christ returns.

seriallink:

The bolded sounds more like reincarnation to me. That's another part that is confusing brah!

obadiah777: HEAVENS = RULERSHIP. NOT PHYSICAL PLACE. YOU NEED A DICTIONARY OF BIBLICAL WORDS MEANING.

seriallink: Revelation 21:3-5 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

So, basically, you are saying this^^^ is the part of the prophecy that haven't been fulfilled?

truthislight:

it is not every thing in the bible that is written in symbols.

Even though heaven can refer to authority and Government does that mean that every where you see the word "heaven" it is a symbol? No.
Heaven also mean the throne of Yahweh, and where the angels live.

New heaven refers to the new rulership by christ and his co rulers that will replace the current heaven under satan and his Demons..

New earth refers to a righteouse new human society in God's kingdom as oppose to this current disobedient human society that is alienated from God and under satan's control.

The heaven will rule over the earth.

obadiah777: EXACTLY CHIEF. THATS THE PART WE ARE WAITING ON AND HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET. OF COURSE THAT PART WILL NOT COME UNTIL AFTER ARMAGEDDON WW3. WHICH IF YOU READ THE NEWS DAILY IS BREWING AS WE SPEAK.

obadiah777: SERIALLINK >>>> WORLD WAR 3 BREWING >>>> https://www.nairaland.com/1122160/iran-captures-intruding-us-drone EXACTLY AS THE BIBLE SAID IT WILL START WITH IRAN ( MEDES-PERSIA ) AND BABYLON ( AMERICA )

seriallink:



Ok, I get you brah.

So, all the messages regarding the mark of the beast are symbolic and have been fulfilled a long time ago? Most people do not know all these, you know that right? Maybe that's why He said His coming will take most people unaware!

Well, I'll do some more researches and get back to you on this topic, if there are more questions. It's now that I'm begining to understand most of the things you've been posting about end times!

seriallink:

I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

seriallink:

I think your explanation is based on Yahweh's reign which would be after Christ's 1000 yrs righteous reign on Earth; ofcourse, death would be automatically defeated and Yahweh would live on Earth with humans forever (Revelation 21:3). However, I doubt if that is applicable during Christ 1000 yrs righteous reign as referenced in Isaiah 65:20 & v22. The 1000 yrs reign would be like restoration of the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 65:17-23:

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, "Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time."

2:37; Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

2:38; We said, "Go down from it, all of you. And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

2:39; And those who disbelieve and deny Our signs - those will be companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally."

2:40; O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me], and be afraid of [only] Me.

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR TRUTHISLIGHT. THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY. IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. NO HUMAN BODY IS MADE TO LIVE FOREVER. SAYS IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH THAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES BEFORE WE PASS ON. PHYSICAL FLESH IS NOT MADE TO BE IMMORTAL. THE SPIRIT IS YOU AND SERIALLINK JUST WAN LIVE FOREVER SHA. UNA TOO ENJOY SUYA AND PEPPERSOUP. UNA NO WAN LET GO. HOWEVER WE WILL LIVE TO 1000 IN THE KINGDOM ( METHUSELAHS AGE RANGE IS THE ORIGINAL AGE RANGE OF MAN BEFORE IT GOT CUT DOWN TO 120 YEARS ( GENESIS 6 VS 3 ) BECAUSE OF SIN

obadiah777:
THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY.

obadiah777: THE BOLDED PART IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT MEANING WE WILL LIVE VERY LONG LIVES. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A TREE IS ABOUT 1000 YEARS

DEATH WILL BE THE LAST ENEMY CONQUERED. YES SPIRITUAL DEATH. WHY IS THEIR SPIRITUAL DEATH ? LACK OF FAITH. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO RULE ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR FAITH ANYMORE SO SPIRITUAL DEATH WILL BE CONQUERED.

obadiah777: THE BOLDED PART IS A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT MEANING WE WILL LIVE VERY LONG LIVES. THE AVERAGE AGE OF A TREE IS ABOUT 1000 YEARS

DEATH WILL BE THE LAST ENEMY CONQUERED. YES SPIRITUAL DEATH. WHY IS THEIR SPIRITUAL DEATH ? LACK OF FAITH. WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO RULE ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR FAITH ANYMORE SO SPIRITUAL DEATH WILL BE CONQUERED.

seriallink:
I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

seriallink:
Back to the issue of 'death' as mentioned in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23. If you say the 'death' in those verses is literal or the physical death we are facing now, it will mean then that any sinner who dies young or maybe in a violent manner (Like in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah) wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've paid for their sins, no? Are you saying the people who died in Sodom and Gomorrah wouldn't be judged after resurrection because they've already paid for their sins for dying violently?

seriallink:
I'm strongly convinced that the warnings for the wages of sin as referenced in Genesis 2:17 & Romans 6:23 is 'spiritual death', ie 'second death' which would be after resurrection and judgement before Yahweh takes over and rule forever!

obadiah777: VERY WELL SAID CHIEF SERIALLINK. TRUTHISLIGHT WANTS TO LIVE IN THE SAME HUMAN BODY FOREVER CRAZY SOMEBORRY

obadiah777: THAT PASSAGE IS TALKING ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH. READ IT WELL. AND THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER. IT ENDED IN THE 1400s. THIS PERIOD IS SO CALLED BECAUSE THE ELECT ( THE TWO CANDLESTICKS BEFORE THE KING OF THE WORLD ) WERE IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD SPIRITUALLY WHILE SPREADING THE MESSAGE TO THE GENTILES. THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS OVER. NOW WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PERMANENT AND PHYSICALLY PRESENT REIGN OF CHRIST

obadiah777: LOL HAILINGS MY BROTHER. PERSONALLY I THINK 1000 YEARS IS A GOOD ENOUGH TIME TO LIVE IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. IMAGINE 1000 YEARS OF JOLLOFMENT ? NO WARS, NO CRAZINESS, JUST JOLLOFMENT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. AND THEN AFTER 1000 YEARS YOU PASS ON, REST A LIL BIT AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 1000 YEARS ETC ETC ETC. PEACE FOREVER.

seriallink:

The bolded sounds more like reincarnation to me. That's another part that is confusing brah!

obadiah777: NAH WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WE ARE GETTING THE PERMANENT PHYSICALLY PRESENT REIGN OF CHRIST, FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER. THE 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST IS SO CALLED BECAUSE THE FIRSTLY RESSURECTED FIRST FRUITS WOULD BE THE TWO CANDLE STICKS ( THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL WHICH IS HOUSE OF JUDAH AND HOUSE OF EPHRAIM ) IN FRONT OF THE KING OF THE WORLD ( THE GENTILES >> ROMANS 11 VS 11 ) SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF SALVATION TO THE GENTILE NATIONS. SO THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WAS IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD DURING THAT 1000 YEAR PERIOD SO THAT NO ONE HAD POWER OVER THE ELECT AS LONG AS THE 1000 YEAR WAS NOT UP. BUT AS SOON AS THE 1000 YEAR WAS UP, THE BOTTOMLESS PIT WAS RE-OPENED AND THE KING OF THE WORLD ( THE SATANIC GENTILES WHICH THEN WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE IN CHARGE ) WERE GIVEN BACK THEIR POWERS AND NOW THAT THE SEED OF SPIRITUAL SALVATION OF THE LORD HAS BEEN PLANTED IN THAT 1000 YEAR PERIOD WE ARE WAITING AND HAVE BEEN WAITING EVER SINCE FOR THE GENTILES TO BRING FORTH THE LATER FRUITS ( WAITING FOR THE ONES WHO WILL TAKE HEED TO THE WORD ). AS SOON AS THE NUMBER OF GENTILES REQUIRED TAKES HEED OF THE WORD, ITS A WRAP FOR THIS SATANIC GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH. CHRIST IS COMING BACK. SO BASICALLY WE ARE WAITING FOR THE GENTILES TO BRING FORTH