F00028:
-then how come it's your bible that is suffering from tampering, grave defects, internal contradictions, historical inaccuracies and scientific blunders?

-I dont believe any of God's prophets were corrupt. se.xually or otherwise. anyone who attributes such to any of them would be committing a very grave slander.

What? You forgot the goats that ate the quran?

davidylan:

What? You forgot the goats that ate the quran?

F00028:
-then how come it's your bible that is suffering from tampering, grave defects, internal contradictions, historical inaccuracies and scientific blunders?

-I dont believe any of God's prophets were corrupt. se.xually or otherwise. anyone who attributes such to any of them would be committing a very grave slander.

You either did not read your holy books in english at all or you read the child s;e/x; part and decided to ignore it against all good reasoning and conscience! Come back to this thread when you send your 9 year old off to a 50 year old for thighing and more!

seyibrown:

You either did not read your holy books in english at all or you read the child s;e/x; part and decided to ignore it against all good reasoning and conscience! Come back to this thread when you send your 9 year old off to a 50 year old for thighing and more!

when the mother of your god, mary, was married off to joseph by age 7 and pregnant by 12! I dont recall the biblical god doing anything about it.

there is no "child s;e/x; part" in Qur'an. if you are interested in that, look to the christian catholic church.

F00028: when the mother of your god, mary, was married off to joseph by age 7 and pregnant by 12! I dont recall the biblical god doing anything about it.

there is no "child s;e/x; part" in Qur'an. if you are interested in that, look to the christian catholic church.

While I find it ridiculous that you are trying to justify the p.e;dop;hi/lia Aisha was subjected to(She testified to this herself and it is written in your hadiths), by alleging something that did not happen to Mary at all, I will humour you by allowing you to show me where the Bible says the supports your above bolded claim! Please, educate me as I have never come across it! When you come back to me with the Bible verses that support your claim, I will post links to Aisha's testimony of her experience at 9 years old and the fatwas issued by your Imams removing any age limits for thighing children.

Let me also make my stance clear on the Catholic Church sex scandal. They have no biblical basis to r.a;pe children, groom children or marry children. The men who practised it and covered the evil actions are purely evil men who are led by the Devil. They showed themselves by their fruits. Christians - catholics and non-catholics - condemned the act worldwide. Now what Islamic body has come out to denounce child s;e/,,x within Islam or the ruling of the Imams? Can you boldly come out and say that those who practice and support s;e/x acts with children within Islam are of the Devil? I challenge you to confront/denounce child s;/e;x as sanctioned within Islam!

F00028: when the mother of your god, mary, was married off to joseph by age 7 and pregnant by 12! I dont recall the biblical god doing anything about it.

there is no "child s;e/x; part" in Qur'an. if you are interested in that, look to the christian catholic church.

Ouch! that is gonna hurt indeed! In addition, i think, there should read the old testament, songs of Solomon (it needs to be X rated) and more disturbing, a father sleeping with his own daughter in - law (Juda), this shameless tale, will later on be attributed to be the ancestors of Jesus check the Genealogy of Jesus (according to Luke), truly, the bible do have them. You would find "interesting" tales of pornography in the bible.

F00028:
why dont you enlighten me...please.

why do not stick to your religion and leave others to practice their.

vedaxcool:

Ouch! that is gonna hurt indeed! In addition, i think, there should read the old testament, songs of Solomon (it needs to be X rated) and more disturbing, a father sleeping with his own daughter in - law (Juda), this shameless tale, will later on be attributed to be the ancestors of Jesus check the Genealogy of Jesus (according to Luke), truly, the bible do have them. You would find "interesting" tales of pornography in the bible.

We tell our 'tale' as it is; You cringe and deny yours when we point out what was recorded in your books and sanctioned by your Imams! You have no consolation for the thousands and thousands of girls who face a life of a merged an;us and va;gi/na due to people who practice child s;e;/x and marriage sanctioned by Islam! The Bible and Christianity does not sanction or practise child s;e;/x and marriage.

Genesis 38:



And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. 20 A . . .


. . . And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. 30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.


So there you go, Judah sleeps with his daughter in law after thinking she is a harlot, they have twins and she gets burned. What is disturbing about this is that Judah did not get punished but lady Tamar did. So basically Judah had sex outside marriage and got away with it, the lady got killed. This is clear double standards and shows that it is okay to have sex outside marriage for men in the Bible.

Here is Jesus’ lineage according to Matthew 1:



1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thama

seyibrown:

We tell our 'tale' as it is; You cringe and deny yours when we point out what was recorded in your books and sanctioned by your Imams! You have no consolation for the thousands and thousands of girls who face a life of a merged an;us and va;gi/na due to people who practice child s;e;/x and marriage sanctioned by Islam! The Bible and Christianity does not sanction or practise child s;e;/x and marriage.

NO shame, what Christianity breeds, so the god your worship is a product of incest and adultery? shey?

vedaxcool, as usual with you and others in denial, you start rambling about matters that have nothing to do with child s;e;/x and marriage, or start making child s;e;/x and marriage allegations against the Bible that you can't back up with the Bible.

My stance is, BE YOU CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST, HINDU, ATHEIST, if you sanction, practice, condone or support child s;e;/x and marriage, YOU ARE A PERVERT.

Where do you stand?

seyibrown: vedaxcool, as usual with you and others in denial, you start rambling about matters that have nothing to do with child s;e;/x and marriage, or start making child s;e;/x and marriage allegations against the Bible that you can't back up with the Bible.

My stance is, BE YOU CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST, HINDU, ATHEIST, if you sanction, practice, condone or support child s;e;/x and marriage, YOU ARE A PERVERT.

Where do you stand?

My stance is that if your god is a descendant of incest, adultery, and you defend and rationalise it as being what it is, then the word PERVERT is insignificant in defining your perversity! In essence YOU ARE A PERVERT and rambling is what you and your Paulish brothers are doing, the thread does not address child marriage etc, rather it is you guys usual way of addressing any matter raised about the trademark behaviour of Christians, insulting what they fear! and how old was Mary when she conceived Jesus? Truly, your intelligence always fail you. Let me whether I can really teach you some sense!

I have very little respect for NL muslims like Vedaxcool and F00028.

Seyibrown at least acknowledged the veil the catholics did and stated that anyone that engaged in pedophilia is a pervert.


I will wait for these muslims to condemn their imams and talk about their prophet's sexual apetite (12 wives, concubines, child briode Aisha)

in a historical context, those days people did marry early, even the jews married at such early age, this days we hear of tales where. A "child" of. 9 gave birth to her own child, so we can say even at ages of 9 a girl can be actually matured, hence my take on this issue is that then people had a different standard for judging the readiness/maturity of a girl for marriage hence putting our 21st centuary criteria that is fraught with hypocrisy as a standard to judge the marriage of Aisha ra at 9 is not sound logic at all! To compound the matter this days we see the stranges things like en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe the consensual age at england in one point was as low as 10 years, now it is 16, why the changing standards? In any case spain has an age of consent of 13 for both hetero and homo relations, in the link provided above you will see how most changed their age from one point to another, so the real question remains what criteria do they use? Hence it makes little sense to judge the issue of aisha age labeling pedophilia when we see this people dilly dallying on age of consent on the terms of who? The west? The issue of Aisha age to me remain a non issue!

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Sexual activity with children younger than 14 is illegal under Article 207, which prohibits sexual acts with a "child", and a "child" is defined in Article 2( as a person under 14. However, Article 209 mentions a "juvenile" who is defined in Article 2(9) as a person under 18, although it is not clear if this article refers only to sexual acts performed in view of a minor under 18 or if it can be used also to punish sexual acts performed with the minor. (see below).

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Article 207

Sexual Intercourse with a Child

(1) Whoever performs sexual intercourse or equivalent sexual act on a child, shall be punished by imprisonment for a term between one and eight years.

Article 2

Meaning of Terms as Used in This Code

( A child, as referred to in this Code, is a person who has not reached fourteen years of age.

Article 209

Satisfying Lust in the Presence of a Child or Juvenile

Whoever, in the presence of a child or juvenile, performs acts aimed at satisfying his own lust or the lust of a third person, or whoever induces a child to submit to such acts in his presence or in the presence of a third person, shall be punished by imprisonment for a term between three months and three years.

Article 205(2) prohibits sexual intercourse with a juvenile (defined as a person under 18) by "abuse of position".

but who is a child in spain?

Spain

The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.

"181(1) El que, interviniendo engaño, cometiere abuso sexual con persona mayor de trece años y menor de dieciséis, será castigado con la pena de prisión de uno a dos años, o multa de doce a veinticuatro meses.

(Approximate translation: An individual who, by use of deceit, commits sexual abuse with a person over thirteen years and under sixteen years, will be punished with imprisonment for one or two years, or a fine equivalent to twelve to twenty-four months...)

(2) A los efectos del apartado anterior, se consideran abusos sexuales no consentidos los que se ejecuten sobre menores de trece años, sobre personas que se hallen privadas de sentido o de cuyo trastorno mental se abusare."

(Approximate translation: For the purposes of the preceding paragraph, the following are considered non-consensual sexual abuse, sexual abuse of children below thirteen years, people who are bereft of capacity or having a mental disorder which is abused)"

History

Homosexual acts had been legal in Spain from 1822 to 1933, (with the exception of the offence of “habitual homosexual acts" in the years 1928-32) and even not specifically mentioned there, some homosexuals were arrested under the "Ley de Vagos y Maleantes" (Vagrants and Common Delinquents Law) during the 2nd Spanish republic. Homosexual acts were illegal during Francisco Franco's regime, which created a specific law against them (Ley de Peligrosidad Social - Law Against Social Danger). A new Criminal Code was introduced in 1995, which specified an age of consent of 12 under Article 181f for all sexual acts; and this was raised to 13 in 1999.

according seyibrown spanniartds are PERVERTS!

Again for teh record the age of consent of england,

History

The age of consent for heterosexual acts in England was set at 12 in 1275 during the reign of Edward I. It was lowered to 10 in the latter part of the 16th century.[68] The wording was along the lines of "It shall be deemed illegal to ravage a maiden who is not of age" - at the time "of age" being 12[citation needed]. Therefore, there was, and is, technically no age of consent for the male participant - unless the female participant is an adult in which case laws pertaining to sex with a minor and so on come into force. The English law became applicable in Wales following the Laws in Wales Acts (1536 and 1543). In medieval Welsh law there was no actual equivalent of the concept of the age of consent as such, but a girl was marriagable at 12-14 (the onset of puberty) and a fine was payable for the taking of a girl's maidenhood by force; the rules varied according to status and may not have been applied rigidly to commoners.[69]

so what we dealing with here is Paulians love for hypocrisy, there is and there has never been a standard age for marriage, it is defined by culture to culture based on what they believe, i Nigeria a being 16 still means you are a child, yet the vatican made the 14 age of consent

However, it should be noted the "Law of the Source of Laws" cited earlier placed divine precepts ("precetti di diretto divino" and the general principles of canon law ("principi generali di diritto canonico" ahead of civil law.[87] As The Vatican understands divine precept to forbid sexual relations outside of marriage, the real age of consent for sexual relations would thus be the minimum age at which a person may consent to be married. Canon law establishes that the minimum age at which one can contract a valid marriage is 16 for a male and 14 for a female,[91] and these ages may be considered the true "age of consent" according to Vatican law for licit sexual relations between two (married) persons.

As for the depressed fool, you should know no one seeks the respect of a fool by now!


I think I am done with arguing with hypocrites and ignoramuses who prefer making statement without research. Rather they prefer paying lip service to the Indecency ridden bible!

Vedaxcool, you are a joke!

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vedaxcool:

My stance is that if your god is a descendant of incest, adultery, and you defend and rationalise it as being what it is, then the word PERVERT is insignificant in defining your perversity! In essence YOU ARE A PERVERT and rambling is what you and your Paulish brothers are doing, the thread does not address child marriage etc, rather it is you guys usual way of addressing any matter raised about the trademark behaviour of Christians, insulting what they fear! and how old was Mary when she conceived Jesus? Truly, your intelligence always fail you. Let me whether I can really teach you some sense!

Save us all the meaningless posts: Do you practise, support, condone or CONDEMN child s;e#x and marriage? That is the question. 'Yes' or 'no' is the answer required!

@seyibrown

(am going to assume you are serious for a moment)

“While I find it ridiculous that you are trying to justify the p.e;dop;hi/lia Aisha was subjected to (She testified to this herself and it is written in your hadiths)….”

There is still some debate on the actual age of Aisha (r.a).
what is clear is that islam makes puberty (physical capacity) and mental capacity the distinguishing factor between a responsible adult and a child and does not arbitrarily fix it at 16 or 18 (i know some 18 year old girls that people take advantage of like they were 7 year olds). and all the reports state that she went to live with the prophet as his wife, after she had reached puberty. she and her parents fully consented to the marriage. there was no criticism issued at that time and subsequently, by muslims and non-muslims. hence, this was in accordance to the prevailing custom, and the age old tradition of girls marrying at puberty.

“by alleging something that did not happen to Mary at all, I will humour you by allowing you to show me where the Bible says the supports your above bolded claim! Please, educate me as I have never come across it! When you come back to me with the Bible verses that support your claim…”

Mary the mother of Jesus according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Bible says Mary was married off to Joseph between the ages of 7 and 9 and pregnant at the age of 12.
Now, its up to you to ascertain their sources and discredit them if you feel so strongly about it.

“Let me also make my stance clear on the Catholic Church sex scandal. They have no biblical basis to r.a;pe children, groom children or marry children.”

" So now put every male child to death, and every woman who has had sex relations with a man. But all the FEMALE CHILDREN who have had no sex relations with men, you may keep for yourselves." (Nu 31:17-18)

How do you think they were to determine which female child has had se.x before and which one hadn’t ?

to my knowledge, paedophilia and rape of pre-teen girls has never been condemned in your bible…but feel free to prove me wrong.


“Christians - catholics and non-catholics –condemned the act worldwide…”

Sure, now that the cat’s out of the bag and the whole world knows. but before then these leaders of christiandom have claimed millions of victims.
"We know now that in the last 50
years somewhere between 1.5% and 5%
of the Catholic clergy has been involved in
intimate abuse cases"
-Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi (September 2009)

Logicboy03: I have very little respect for NL muslims like Vedaxcool and F00028...

and you think that matters to me because...?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! this thread really HIT the christians(cross worshipers) and even the athiest(monkey believer) are displaying their stupi.dity . . .F000 welldon

tintingz: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! this thread really HIT the christians(cross worshipers) and even the athiest(monkey believer) are displaying their stupi.dity . . .F000 welldon

This , coming from a 'moon god' worshipper and pagan black stone believer is quote hilarious

frosbel:
This , coming from a 'moon god' worshipper and pagan black stone believer is quote hilarious

LoL sorry bro i don't hang or carry stones around on my neck either muslims do such. . .and moon don't appear during the day hope you still hang that golden cross on your neck

tintingz: LoL sorry bro i don't hang or carry stones around on my neck either muslims do such. . .and moon don't appear during the day hope you still hang that golden cross on your neck

I do not wear crosses or have any for that matter.

In contrast you and team bow before a black meteorite 5 times a day, what can be more pagan than this ?

frosbel:
I do not wear crosses or have any for that matter.
In contrast you and team bow before a black meteorite 5 times a day, what can be more pagan than this ?

ehya. . .i don't see stones in any mosque either our mind don't think of any stones. . .try again later

muzlins creeping out of their hole again.

advocate666: muzlins creeping out of their hole again.

You mean cave

F00028: @seyibrown
Mary the mother of Jesus according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Bible says Mary was married off to Joseph between the ages of 7 and 9 and pregnant at the age of 12.
Now, its up to you to ascertain their sources and discredit them if you feel so strongly about it. ]

Link, please! ... and it is not up to me to ascertain their sources!

F00028: " So now put every male child to death, and every woman who has had sex relations with a man. But all the FEMALE CHILDREN who have had no sex relations with men, you may keep for yourselves." (Nu 31:17-18)

I have looked for any Bible version thats says 'FEMALE CHILDREN' but couldn't find any. Link to the one you found, please!

F00028: How do you think they were to determine which female child has had se.x before and which one hadn’t ? to my knowledge, paedophilia and rape of pre-teen girls has never been condemned in your bible…but feel free to prove me wrong.

[b]Stop being silly: Maidens/Virgins dressed differently from married women! Wasn't difficult to who was married and who was a unmarried virgin! You could tell by their apparel. Provide your Bible version that says 'FEMALE CHILDREN' and that says those 'FEMALE CHILDREN should be known carnally.

You are fabricating lies and clutching at straws to find proof for all these allegations you make about the Bible sanctioning Child s;e'x/ when Mohammed/Aisha is staring you in the face and your Imams continue to call for child s;e//x.

Spaniards, Catholics, Muslims, buddhists, Hindus, atheists, pagans, christians ... anyone who promotes/practices/condones/supports/does not condemn child s;e'x and marriage (with an adult) where it is happening and being sanctioned is a pervert! And when they claim God sent them, they are just taking advantage of those who cannot use the brains God gave them to determine that it is not right/proper/fair to be messing wih a child who is not physically, psychologically and emotionally ready for s.;ex.

Xtians do not owe Mohammed any gratitude, and neither do all the muslim girls who now have merged an+us+es and v+agi*na*s because of those who follow him. They are cursing him every time people pass and cover their noses because of the stench emanating from their privates! They curse people who continue to support adult men not waiting until they(the girls) are grown before taking their innocence and putting them in the family way! These girls are robbed of the love, education and protection you give to your daughters, nieces, and cousins while the likes of you praise and idolise the very system that takes away the basic rights of a child from them! You and your daughters/nieces/cousins can afford to bend, bow down and prostrate in prayer maybe five times daily as your an;us*es is still intact; they dare not .. why? because of the likes of you! Your daugters/cousins/nieces have bright prospects, the victims of Islam-sanctioned child sex are condemned to a life of begging on the streets ... and you do nothing but defend child s/e;x/ and marriage![/b]

@davidylan:

by davidylan(m): 12:29am On Oct 30

So in essence the lesson mohammad teaches us here is that it is ok to be have no discipline when it comes to sex and making a commitment to one woman?

a sexu.al hypocrite like you have no right to critic a man who waiting until marriage before his first sexual experience.
how old were you before you lost your virgi.nity and in spite of your bible thumping, you were just the other day [few years is the other day] couldn't keep your zipper on, until you made the S U [bible sister] do what both you and her wanted.

@nextpart: just the other day you were seeking cooperation. i see that your demon never left you.

@logicboy03: show us a single prophet of God, from Adam all the way to Jesus that was a christian. one prophet will be sufficient. I am wondering if you know what it takes to be a christian and you may impose that quality on the prophet of your choice if you want. if can give us a prophet, please change your name to mr illogical because you speak without thinking it through, first.

@seyibrown: I wished you had read what i posted in response to your question of 9 year old girl. 1,000 years ago the best discovery in science that may qualify for the ph. d. of that time is probably a grammar school course load of this era. how do we now say the man who was best in science then is now a novice?

the statement is not about violence from the muslims who think they have wronged by the provocateur, but in normal circumstances, even after so much abuse, the muslims will not say anything bad about any prophet. you people say Prophet King David [as] was a killer and a wife snatcher. you say his son King Prophet Solomon was a womanizer and an idolater. you said Abraham was an adulterer. you said Prophet Adam was a sinner. I know you dont have any complaint about John, son of Zachariah and even Zachariah himself. but all the prophets [as] you complain about you are not ashamed to name yourself after them. Ishmael who your prophesy never came true on him, you really name yourself after him, even that it is God Himself Who gave him his name. i wonder where you people get your spiritual directive, except from satan who is your master by putting doubts in your hearts?


and which part of Quran is copied from the Bibles? which bible is that; the catholic or the coptics or the ethiopians or the greek orthodox or the russian orthodox or the seven days adventist or the jehovah witnesses or the protestants? please tell us which one since you people dont even agree on a single bible for your religion?

seyibrown:
Link, please! ... and it is not up to me to ascertain their sources!

it is if you want to discredit them.
anyway, you can get it on amazon if you are really serious.

seyibrown:
I have looked for any Bible version thats says 'FEMALE CHILDREN' but couldn't find any. Link to the one you found, please!

i use biblemax. thats their translation. you can get it on CNET.

but if you dont like it try-
" But all the WOMEN CHILDREN, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+31%3A18&version=KJV

seyibrown:
...and that says those 'FEMALE CHILDREN should be known carnally.

typical christian...SMH where did i say they should be known carnally?

i merely asked- "How do you think they were to determine which female child has had se.x before and which one hadn’t ? "

seyibrown:
[b]Stop being silly: Maidens/Virgins dressed from married women! Wasn't difficult to who was married and who was a unmarried virgin! You could tell by their apparel.

then you must know more about the culture than the biblical Moses because he, according to Tannaïte Rabbis, simply told them to just KILL ALL GIRLS OVER THREE YEARS OLD because they were "suitable for
having sexual relations."

seyibrown: ... your Imams continue to call for child s;e//x.

where?

seyibrown:

Save us all the meaningless posts: Do you practise, support, condone or CONDEMN child s;e#x and marriage? That is the question. 'Yes' or 'no' is the answer required!

i hope you weren't convulsing when you wrote this jibber jabber? or caoz this emaningless thing were taken from your bible, and the truth is always meaningless when Liars are involved, who is a child? Remeber the vatican makes 14 the age of consent to get married. let me test you intelligence first because it is beginning to seem that you can not reason for your self, Just answer that simple who is a child? and on what standards do you determine a child, remember you cannot answer why your bible attributes the ancestry of the god you worship to incest and adultery,yet you say the bible say it as it is, meaning the god you worship cannot even be say to be born sin free since his ancestors according to the bible are a combination of murderers, incestuous, adulterous, envious etc. This to me represent the ultimate PERVERSITY any individual can see it as it is! The sad thing is that the bible say it as it is, it did not even provide reproach or reprove for most of this grave sins it attributes to ancestor of your god!

Logicboy03: Vedaxcool, you are a joke!

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Tanks for bringing it to their notice, Pathetican!