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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:27am On Nov 02, 2012
I had similar experience in the US here, where i visited a hospital in Cincinati Ohio, when i had malaria, it took almost eternity to treat me, all thanks to my chloroquine i brought from Nigeria in my last visit, i just took it jor, n after 3days, the malaria was history, abegi
saxywale:
whitlow is very common in Nigeria cos of the way people wash clothes and other stuffs with their hands. In Advanced country, if you even have to wash with your hands, there are specially made hand detergents which are very very mild. I won't be suprised if it is limited to the tropics. So doctors in temperate regions might have no idea of it. I once had malaria in the UK after a visit to Nigeria, I was quarantined and a special Spanish doctor who has worked in Venezuela was posted to the hospital where I was quarantined to treat me.(I was treated like a king) cos of common malaria. I have met doctors in Nigeria who have not even heard of autism.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:31am On Nov 02, 2012
I wonder why a U.S or U.K trained doctor would leave there to come back here. To come and practice what?? How to get poorly paid and how to go on strike abi? Mtcheew.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:38am On Nov 02, 2012
Failure/pass rate would depend on the type of questions asked at the induction. That is, most of the question might have been based on tropical medicine. The good thing though is that eventually, they would still be able to practice after a couple of months unlike the other way round.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:38am On Nov 02, 2012

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:40am On Nov 02, 2012
Crap. How can a med student in UI or Unilorin be better than a John Hopkins trained doc? I'm sure the failures are those trained in substandard schools in developing countries. I'm not saying Naija doctors are not good but they are light yrs behind in terms of technology and diagnosis.

Actually Naija doctors are only conversant with the basic illnesses, malaria, high bp, SCD, asthma etc. Go and watch Medical Diagnosis on Discovery Channel and then u will understand what it means to be a doctor in a developed nation.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by dabigwalls: 7:44am On Nov 02, 2012
tiniyata: @ all disregarding Nigeria, what if the 106 dooctors that failed are from universities in the US n UK? U are all here critizing ur own country.....foo!$.... If its on news that 60% Nigerians failed WAEC u all will be quick to call NIgerian students brain drain, n our institution a failed institution. What makes u think any US or UK students are better than us academically, if not ASUU strike, go and find out what Nigerian Student are doing abroad n their perfomances, and y'all will be so amazed. I personally graduated from UNIBEN and i dont think any US student can outshine me academically, except ofcourse u low life, low self-exteemed, unpatriotic s<umbags, who go about destroyin ur country, n yet claim to be Nigeria, if not for visa lottery or community support from ur village chief, most of u would have still been in ur village farms....mtchew

Can you step back a bit from the brags please? That's how we'll pass you question like what is cybernetics now and you'll start from a cybercafe point of view. Take a chill pill. Adults don't spew this kinda trash sir. Let's learn from you, boasts don't cut it. *hurts I know but just calm down*
One love bro.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by TCD: 7:45am On Nov 02, 2012
That they failed doesn't mean they are poorly trained. Undergraduate Medical education everywhere focuses on diseases and conditions that are prevalent in that given region. Tropical medicine is a slightly different ball game.

A medical school in russia won't bother too much about exhaustively teaching malaria,sickle cell or polio in their curriculum because it doesn't concern them. Meanwhile if you aren't well grounded in these areas in Naija you must fail that exam.

I know of an American specialist who came here and was so excited about seeing a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. He said he has never seen one before, overthere stuffs like this are caught very early through ultrasound before it gets to the rupture stage. A med student in naija has seen more than 8 sef. Would you say the American specialist is poorly trained? In Nigeria its only when the thing has ruptured, massive bleeding and they are almost dying then they will remember oh, hospital exists.

One other thing, the format of examinations in naija might be different from that where they trained. It's going to have to take some getting used to. I believe most of them will pass in their next attempt. Goodluck to them.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:47am On Nov 02, 2012
chaircover:

Whitlow is more common than you think. A colleague had it a few months ago and I know of several others over the years who have had it. Its like when I have my blood taken, the Naija phlebotomist can find my veins at first prick but the oyinbo ones sometimes have to make 2 or 3 attempts.


Stop this nonsense. So the white doctors are now less intelligent and can't treat ordinary whitlow (assuming it is as common as you claim) but can treat cancer, do brain surgery and heart transplant.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:52am On Nov 02, 2012
Zeddicus: I wonder why a U.S or U.K trained doctor would leave there to come back here. To come and practice what?? How to get poorly paid and how to go on strike abi? Mtcheew.
Immigration laws my friend.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by charlsecy4(m): 7:52am On Nov 02, 2012
KENESAGA: 4 THOSE THAT ARE CALLING UKRAIN, ARE THEIR UNIS NOT RANKED ABOVE NIGERIAN UNIS?

Please don't use the rankings for any purpose. They are strictly for official use.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:57am On Nov 02, 2012
Bring it on bro, i did my masters in fluid mechanics n thermodynamics in the US, and at the moment doing myPh. D in engineering still in the US, n if u must know, most of this Americans come to me for extra classes, n most dumb questions they ask makes me wonder, i am not sayin they are not good, but they cant all be better off, my bro, and BTW am chillin right now in the bahamas, n replyin u, so me no need no pills, gerrit...apart from the medical profession, ask an average Nigerian to name 6 continents with at least 5 countries, and they would, and ask them to even list some states in america, n u will be so amazed, but ask some oyinbo people same question, n they will ask u which state of america is Nigeria, or if its the name of a district somewhere....am not sayin we are the best, but give us some credits pls
dabigwalls:

Can you step back a bit from the brags please? That's how we'll pass you question like what is cybernetics now and you'll start from a cybercafe point of view. Take a chill pill. Adults don't spew this kinda trash sir. Let's learn from you, boasts don't cut it. *hurts I know but just calm down*
One love bro.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 7:59am On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.
Actually if you were to make thorough research,you will find out that the case of that my friend is the norm,rather than an aberration.
Medicine is a practical discipline,and you will quickly be found out to be academically shallow if you are just theoretically based.
Thousands of Nigerian doctors and surgeons are making a name for themselves abroad.
Infact,it seems every Nigerian trained doctor wants to travel out after graduation,because they know they are in high demand.
I am a chemical Engineer,but i was able to get a good grasp of Nigerian medical practice from my cousin.
He is good as hell,and it would take more than just schooling in the west,to beat him both theoretically and practically.
The current head of American cardiologists is a professor,from the University of ibadan,so i think all these goes to show how underrated our education is.
But then,it has to be said that we are lagging behind in some vital areas,and we need to improve fast.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by doofanc: 8:06am On Nov 02, 2012
Aqva:

Stop this nonsense. So the white doctors are now less intelligent and can't treat ordinary whitlow (assuming it is as common as you claim) but can treat cancer, do brain surgery and heart transplant.

of what use will a doctor who is a guru in brain transplant but possess fleeting knowledge of malaria, typhoid and tropical diseases be to us?

That they failed the qualifying exams doesn't means they r less intelligent, it simply means THEY ARE UNFIT TO PRACTICE IN NIGERIA.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 8:06am On Nov 02, 2012
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by ohzee(f): 8:09am On Nov 02, 2012
Actually I dont think those tests are done for doctors that trained in recognized foreign schools such as top uk and us schools. Most of them trained in Ukraine and eastern bloc countries and believe me those schools are NOT better than our med schools. Our medical graduates are doing very well in uk and us because their training and practice is based on a basic knowledge of medicine and not reliance on labs and diagnostic gadgets. Parents should be very careful when they send their children ABROAD for studies. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Itoroetti(m): 8:16am On Nov 02, 2012
tiniyata: @ all disregarding Nigeria, what if the 106 dooctors that failed are from universities in the US n UK? U are all here critizing ur own country.....foo!$.... If its on news that 60% Nigerians failed WAEC u all will be quick to call NIgerian students brain drain, n our institution a failed institution. What makes u think any US or UK students are better than us academically, if not ASUU strike, go and find out what Nigerian Student are doing abroad n their perfomances, and y'all will be so amazed. I personally graduated from UNIBEN and i dont think any US student can outshine me academically, except ofcourse u low life, low self-exteemed, unpatriotic s<umbags, who go about destroyin ur country, n yet claim to be Nigeria, if not for visa lottery or community support from ur village chief, most of u would have still been in ur village farms....mtchew

u are suffering 4rm inferiority complex.what do u tink u knw?watz d meaning of graduating 4rm uniben.i bet u,someone in level3h in ur field can be better than u.maybe u rarely watch documentary,hence u are comfortable with wat u knw.dis maks u a village champion.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Itoroetti(m): 8:19am On Nov 02, 2012
Basic: I'm not surprised in the least. Most students who never been able to pass JAMB here in Nigeria have found admission in countries like Ukraine, Malaysia, Norway, etc.
In fact, most medical school drop outs in Nigeria go to Ukraine.

are u talking about Jamb results and appetitude test that is reservd 4d highest bidders?
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 8:22am On Nov 02, 2012
Itoroetti :


are u talking about Jamb results and appetitude test that is reservd 4d highest bidders?
That is a lie.
Jamb is one of the strictest exams in Africa.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by youngdady: 8:26am On Nov 02, 2012
Lets not all get ahead of ourselves. Nigerians are intelligent, dogged and tenacious in all they do. It's really no surprise to see us exceling anywhere we go. It is what you have it in yourself to be that counts at the end of the day not over reliance on hi-tech solutions.

Conducive learning environment can not create potentials that are not there, it can only help harness/blossom an already inherent potential.

We really do not know the pedigree of those that took the test, but I dare say, its the competent ones among them that passed (Nigeria's academic test standard is known to be pretty high anyways).

On a lighter note, I once heard this story, don't know if its real or not.

Several medical doctors were interviewed for 2 vacancy slots in a hospital in Russia, amongst them were two Nigerians. It happened that the Nigerians failed the test and the Medical Director insisted on having them before others that passed. When quizzed about this his response was simply: They're Nigerians, they're better qualified for the job.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 8:26am On Nov 02, 2012
ohzee: Actually I dont think those tests are done for doctors that trained in recognized foreign schools such as top uk and us schools. Most of them trained in Ukraine and eastern bloc countries and believe me those schools are NOT better than our med schools. Our medical graduates are doing very well in uk and us because their training and practice is based on a basic knowledge of medicine and not reliance on labs and diagnostic gadgets. Parents should be very careful when they send their children ABROAD for studies. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.
Your first statement is untrue.
You are supposed to take the induction exams,to practice in Nigeria,regardless of where you schooled.
That is how it is done in most parts of the world.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Itoroetti(m): 8:27am On Nov 02, 2012
solomon111: That is a lie.
Jamb is one of the strictest exams in Africa.

keep decieving urself and pretending not to knw.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Otutu1(m): 8:38am On Nov 02, 2012
The level of ignorance on this thread is quite alarming. 53% of foreign doctors passed d exam and you are making a lot noise, mind you medicine is studied based on location(we study tropical medicine) as opposed to someone trained in the US for example and did u even ask yourself about the other way round? Do nigerian doctors even TEST their luck outside Talk about percentages. Compare our miserable educational system with its counterparts eg. Ghana and tell me if any of these nigerian unis produce better doctors than KNUST and please look it up before repplying ur usual trash.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by sanchez4eva: 8:39am On Nov 02, 2012
U guys are talking about the exception...Is it the jamb that students receive the questions 2 days before the exam or the admission into medicine that is based on connections and professor pikin...The students that are extremely good are those admitted on merit..the remaining nigerian trained doctors are nothing to write home about..In uniben 60% of students in medicine are professors or lecturers children who have nothing upstairs...All I m saying is Nigerian doctors are good but not all of them...a doctor trained in Nigeria may be very useless outside because of his inability to operate the equipment found abroad...It does not matter where a doctor learnt how to practice medicine what matters is if a doctor can help sick patients...Peace..Dr Okonjo

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by oladapoa1(m): 8:43am On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.
hmm lady...do you understand word ''webometric'' its not talking about d educational standard but features and how the school site is used..i knw u got ur 3000 stuff 4rm www.4icu.com
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nwunuken(m): 8:43am On Nov 02, 2012
solomon111: Cool down,lady.
You are taking this too personal,or maybe it is personal.
It is a known fact that doctors trained in Nigeria are somehow better than those in the host country.
A friend of my cousin that just graduated from UNIBEN has been snapped up by W.H.O,and from the report i got,he was the best in the test that was set for them.
He outscored students from the US,UK,Germany,Canada,e.t.c.
Besides those rankings are not necesarily based on the quality of education in those universities.
I am quite sure that a good number of the universities those doctors that failed the induction exams went to,are ranked higher than Nigeria.
So i would take those rankings with a heavy dosage of salt.
oh my brother u hit the point rating of universities is base on facilities on ground.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Emmy9ite(m): 8:45am On Nov 02, 2012
tiniyata: @ all disregarding Nigeria, what if the 106 dooctors that failed are from universities in the US n UK? U are all here critizing ur own country.....foo!$.... If its on news that 60% Nigerians failed WAEC u all will be quick to call NIgerian students brain drain, n our institution a failed institution. What makes u think any US or UK students are better than us academically, if not ASUU strike, go and find out what Nigerian Student are doing abroad n their perfomances, and y'all will be so amazed. I personally graduated from UNIBEN and i dont think any US student can outshine me academically, except ofcourse u low life, low self-exteemed, unpatriotic s<umbags, who go about destroyin ur country, n yet claim to be Nigeria, if not for visa lottery or community support from ur village chief, most of u would have still been in ur village farms....mtchew
harsh but it is the fvcking truth!

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by oladapoa1(m): 8:48am On Nov 02, 2012
solomon111: That is a lie.
Jamb is one of the strictest exams in Africa.
... Bros, seems u are brought up in pakistan but av an origin in Nigeria.. Type A or B or K. Wch 1 shud i send?
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nwunuken(m): 8:48am On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.
we lack facilities in nigeria universities, but we are bless with best brain in the world.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by kayjegs: 8:50am On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz: If u're trying to compare Nigerian trained doctors to US trained doctors, then u're joking or don't have a clue of what u're talking about.

There is no one Nigerian university among top 3000 in the world!! embarassed

Your use of foreign is quite broad though, I mean d reason for d low percentage could as well be from Nigerians trained in countries like Togo.

lol, all na foreign. tongue


Correct!
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by fili24: 8:54am On Nov 02, 2012
@Basic
You are living in a cave i guess
you comparing Nigeria with Norway?
Nigeria can never be like Norway in 100 years

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 8:56am On Nov 02, 2012
oladapo_a1: ... Bros, seems u are brought up in pakistan but av an origin in Nigeria.. Type A or B or K. Wch 1 shud i send?
make them catch you.
Na 25 years,you go spend for jail.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by oladapoa1(m): 9:00am On Nov 02, 2012
solomon111: make them catch you.
Na 25 years,you go spend for jail.
u knew dis b4 posting ur tongue

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