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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Olaone1: 3:10pm On Nov 02, 2012
thelastPope:

I have always come tops in every conference I have attended abroad and I have attended very many. The oyibo guys have never ever dominated me in one. All they know is textbook routines. They are always so specialised, they know little or nothing outside their area of specialization. You cannot compare the average Nigerian doctor that goes through Uniben or UI to their counterparts in any, I repeat, any US university. The Nigerian guys are far more knowledgable, vast and broad. The scope of work they are required to cover is far bigger than that for US doctors.

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This is why American patients fly to Nigeria for treatment.

Most medical machines are invented in Nigeria.

And, Nigeria can be proud of her many medical breakthroughs. Thanks to our highly cerebral doctors like you. I am sure you have patented many life-changing discoveries/inventions. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

SMH

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 3:28pm On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
Thank you!! I mean I'm astonished at the way they are comparing Nigerian trained doctors to US trained doctors. It's ridiculous.
Why not come home after graduation and have a feel of our medical practice here in Nigeria.
You could try your hands on the induction exams,and see for yourself.
PS:I am assuming you are a medical student abroad.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 3:35pm On Nov 02, 2012
Ola one:
This is why American patients fly to Nigeria for treatment.

Most medical machines are invented in Nigeria.

And, Nigeria can be proud of her many medical breakthroughs. Thanks to our highly cerebral doctors like you. I am sure you have patented many life-changing discoveries/inventions. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

SMH
ROFLMAO!!
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 3:43pm On Nov 02, 2012
solomon111: Why not come home after graduation and have a feel of our medical practice here in Nigeria.
You could try your hands on the induction exams,and see for yourself.
PS:I am assuming you are a medical student abroad.
I'm not a medical student. Majored in Comp.Sc/Accounting.

Surrounded by many med students though, Mr. Solomon u really hv no clue about med schoolS in the US and the rigor involved. I mean I hate stating the obvious, what u mentioned earlier is not the norm and I find it pointless going on with this when u really are clueless about a lot.

If it were other fields of study, I could prolly see where u're coming from but Med/Comp.Sc program in the US is a GOD to whatever program we have in Nigeria.
#WORD!
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 02, 2012
thelastPope:

I have always come tops in every conference I have attended abroad and I have attended very many. The oyibo guys have never ever dominated me in one. All they know is textbook routines. They are always so specialised, they know little or nothing outside their area of specialization. You cannot compare the average Nigerian doctor that goes through Uniben or UI to their counterparts in any, I repeat, any US university. The Nigerian guys are far more knowledgable, vast and broad. The scope of work they are required to cover is far bigger than that for US doctors.

This is exactly why you are lacking behind. Book Book Book. You think you are so smart abi? One simple question- What have you done with your "smartness" to help humanity. I do not mean stuff you were taught in school or all the nonsense you "cramed". What have you invented with this supposed knowledge. The oyinbos that you claim are dull keep churning out technological advancements and here you are talking nonsense. There is no pride in repeating what you "cramed" in an exam. The only pride is when you are able to take knowlege you learnt "from the same oyinbo books" and then use it to produce "new, unexplored knowledge". Its like priding yourself that you know mathematics better than oyinbos as if the maths crept into your brain from your mothers womb. How about you use that math to invent a calculator? OOps that has already been done. All you know how to do is read books and poor it out in exams and you call that an achievement. You wasted time going to school. Go and learn a trade.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 4:15pm On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
I'm not a medical student. Majored in Comp.Sc/Accounting.

Surrounded by many med students though, Mr. Solomon u really hv no clue about med schoolS in the US and the rigor involved. I mean I hate stating the obvious, what u mentioned earlier is not the norm and I find it pointless going on with this when u really are clueless about a lot.

If it were other fields of study, I could prolly see where u're coming from but Med/Comp.Sc program in the US is a GOD to whatever program we have in Nigeria.
#WORD!
Really?
Okay o.
No problem.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by dBard: 4:15pm On Nov 02, 2012
A-town:


This is exactly why you are lacking behind. Book Book Book. You think you are so smart abi? One simple question- What have you done with your "smartness" to help humanity. I do not mean stuff you were taught in school or all the nonsense you "cramed". What have you invented with this supposed knowledge. The oyinbos that you claim are dull keep churning out technological advancements and here you are talking nonsense. There is no pride in repeating what you "cramed" in an exam. The only pride is when you are able to take knowlege you learnt "from the same oyinbo books" and then use it to produce "new, unexplored knowledge". Its like priding yourself that you know mathematics better than oyinbos as if the maths crept into your brain from your mothers womb. How about you use that math to invent a calculator? OOps that has already been done. All you know how to do is read books and poor it out in exams and you call that an achievement. You wasted time going to school. Go and learn a trade.

no wonder dey said d average Nigerians I.Q is<60,not surprised wit d nonsense u just wrote. so now theory is inconsequential. is it d machines dat will operate on u or take ur history? I .mh at d whole lot of u**exits thread*

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 4:22pm On Nov 02, 2012
dBard:

no wonder dey said d average Nigerians I.Q is<60,not surprised wit d nonsense u just wrote. so now theory is inconsequential. is it d machines dat will operate on u or take ur history? I .mh at d whole lot of u**exits thread*

If all you could comprehend from the post is that "theory is inconsequential" then you proved my point

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 4:27pm On Nov 02, 2012
A-town:


If all you could comprehend from the post is that "theory is inconsequential" then you proved my point
lol
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 5:49pm On Nov 02, 2012
omenziate: Nigerians are good, avid learners and persistent no doubt, but Medicine abroad especially US, canada, germany, belgium and d top european countries are not on d same level wit Naija's medicine. Wonder why ur governors have common malaria and dey rush to germany.
thats not because they have better doctors, its because they have more advanced equipment to treat them. Know the difference!.....and then again, if you travel abroad to get treatment for malaria, you are on a longthing...i even doubt if you will get out alive(talking from experience)
omenziate: Watch medical dramas e.g house, grey's anatomy , some are exaggerated medicine no doubt but they give u a hint of wat is obtainable abroad.
oh my oh my, you know i've always wondered why nigerians always think america is heaven where everything works....lol....now i gerrit, you must have been believing all their movies......see, the movies are far from being realistic, wake up! America is overhyped in everything...that is the plain truth
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Siga: 5:58pm On Nov 02, 2012
speedyboi:
thats not because they have better doctors, its because they have more advanced equipment to treat them. Know the difference!.....and then again, if you travel abroad to get treatment for malaria, you are on a longthing...i even doubt if you will get out alive(talking from experience)

oh my oh my, you know i've always wondered why nigerians always think america is heaven where everything works....lol....now i gerrit, you must have been believing all their movies......see, the movies are far from being realistic, wake up! America is overhyped in everything...that is the plain truth
....quick question....if u break ur prick...u go stay naija make dem fix am or na yankee u go go?
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 6:04pm On Nov 02, 2012
Siga: ....quick question....if u break ur prick...u go stay naija make dem fix am or na yankee u go go?
quick project....quickly go through my post again, understand it.....if you are brilliant enough, you should deduce the answer to your question; and you will discover the motive as well sef.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Siga: 6:07pm On Nov 02, 2012
speedyboi:
quick project....quickly go through my post again, understand it.....if you are brilliant enough, you should deduce the answer to your question; and you will discover the motive as well sef.
...No wahala...it is well....just tryin to add jokes to the whole argument ni ooo....speedyboyoyo....
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by ogahope(m): 7:46pm On Nov 02, 2012
Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.
It seems u're crazy about des foreign varsities. If dey are d best, why are Nigerian's trained doctors employed in places lk US, UK etc witout any report of gross inefficiencies?. hw can a 3rd class degree holder in Nig. Go abroad to bang ist class upper? What dos dis connot? Nig varsities xcludin d privat owned ar force to reckon wt.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by ssii: 9:25pm On Nov 02, 2012
All I can say is that I don't know of any of my collegues who left Nigeria for the US to practise that has not successfully completed their training and are doing well on their job. Infact, most of them passed their USMLE with very high grades. While I am not saying that every Nigeria trained doctor is a genius, but it goes to let us know that we are GOOD. The only diFference is technology. We are trained tHe hard way here, I have also had the opportunity of getting training outside the country and I tell you I understand why the average Nigeria excels in the schools there.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by aliandro(m): 10:12am On Nov 03, 2012
What a fantastic debate 4 d medical profession.I'M still a fresher in unilag,waiting 4 d challengez.Still an average student but will love 2 upgrade and become genius lyk d ones here.
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by homeboy232(m): 10:19am On Nov 03, 2012
nigerian is a vacuum, all dis bad belle who dnt have the oportunity to study and live in advance countries wil always have the time to talk trash on nairaland....success start in advance countries, most successful people in nigeria start their career in advance countries, u have to involve in sinful act if u want to be successful building ur career in nigeria....miliions of graduate coming out from nigeria uni, just because some few are selected, foolish people wil start talking trash..we cannot even produce common pencil, all we do is to make noise on nairaland wit all dis animals who lobby for job in naija.....if ur brain is cool and u are desperate to learn, u wil surely excel in life...u dont have to lobby for job, if u av the oportunity to study in advance countries, just do that and ignore comments from jealous goats who do not have the oportunity to study in advance countries..dnt mind them, when police form is out, u wil see all those uniben, unlag graduate filling nigeria police form online....better stop nonsense.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by solomon111(m): 10:34am On Nov 03, 2012
homeboy232: nigerian is a vacuum, all dis bad belle who dnt have the oportunity to study and live in advance countries wil always have the time to talk trash on nairaland....success start in advance countries, most successful people in nigeria start their career in advance countries, u have to involve in sinful act if u want to be successful building ur career in nigeria....miliions of graduate coming out from nigeria uni, just because some few are selected, foolish people wil start talking trash..we cannot even produce common pencil, all we do is to make noise on nairaland wit all dis animals who lobby for job in naija.....if ur brain is cool and u are desperate to learn, u wil surely excel in life...u dont have to lobby for job, if u av the oportunity to study in advance countries, just do that and ignore comments from jealous goats who do not have the oportunity to study in advance countries..dnt mind them, when police form is out, u wil see all those uniben, unlag graduate filling nigeria police form online....better stop nonsense.
you are a slowpoke.
To hell with you and your 'abroad'.
Bloody second class citizen.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Tobbie9(m): 4:09pm On Nov 03, 2012
Having read through all the comments I must say nigerians will always remain the problem of nigeria. I only have one question if nigerian drs are so badly trained, why are there so many of them working in the US or as the U. S run out of locally trained doctors? and for the human saying med/comp sci program in the U. S is the most strenous, you obviously know nothing
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 5:11pm On Nov 03, 2012
Tobbie9: Having read through all the comments I must say nigerians will always remain the problem of nigeria. I only have one question if nigerian drs are so badly trained, why are there so many of them working in the US or as the U. S run out of locally trained doctors? and for the human saying med/comp sci program in the U. S is the most strenous, you obviously know nothing
That's the problem with u, strenuous has nothing to do with the value and quality of the training offered.

Where did u school and what did u major in?? You sound like a dumb (***) language major undecided

Ur post = 100% trash!!
Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 11:05pm On Nov 03, 2012
dBard:

am sorry but I ve t disagree,tho wit a lil bias grin. ve come across both d u.k Drs n dse from oda developed countries n frankly dey aren't all that. imagine how long it takes t make a diagnosis there compared t here n also d quality of thier training. Yes, in terms of tech advancement n facilities dey beta but let me summarise by saying wat we do,we do dem far better..Truth cool

Do what better? Oh please. I doubt you live in Nigeria. The avoidable deaths in Nigeria is really alarming. There's a reason rich nigerians go abroad for treatment. Just go to a general teaching hospital & see firsthand how the lives of poor patients are made to seem worthless. Never heard of striking doctors, but we all know how Nigeria models for adidas 'Impossible is Nothing' in Nigeria.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 11:20pm On Nov 03, 2012
ogahope:
It seems u're crazy about des foreign varsities. If dey are d best, why are Nigerian's trained doctors employed in places lk US, UK etc witout any report of gross inefficiencies?. hw can a 3rd class degree holder in Nig. Go abroad to bang ist class upper? What dos dis connot? Nig varsities xcludin d privat owned ar force to reckon wt.
Stop exhibiting your ignorance. I'm pretty sure you're a 'Jambite' or probably in secondary school. There's nothing like 'first class upper' so next time you feel like contributing pretend like you've been to a university.
Its your effort that gets you good grades in any school except some which require monetary effort lol & I pretty sure someone wv a third class if given another opportunity will give his best.

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by dBard: 12:26pm On Nov 04, 2012
_babyshaQ:

Do what better? Oh please. I doubt you live in Nigeria. The avoidable deaths in Nigeria is really alarming. There's a reason rich nigerians go abroad for treatment. Just go to a general teaching hospital & see firsthand how the lives of poor patients are made to seem worthless. Never heard of striking doctors, but we all know how Nigeria models for adidas 'Impossible is Nothing' in Nigeria.

Had t reply dis. 1)The avoidable deaths u talked of in most cases r Not d fault of d health professionals. Patients here go to d hospital only as a last resort, after doing d self medication-chemist - nurse- church rounds. up to 75% of women still go t maternity homes t deliver only presenting wen problems arise.Not saying all drs r excellent but, lets b fair. 2) the human body is d primary tool of all Drs. the ability t understand d workings will t a large extent det ur effectiveness in diagnosis n treatment. technology here is actually not that much of an advantage. Understand that. running abroad t treat wat is not common dre makes no sense. they do it t justify wat dey steal

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 2:28pm On Nov 04, 2012
Nigerians sha. The only country in the world where its citizens brag about how smart they are yet with all the smartness, leaders with IQ's less than 0.5 rule them. Why do we always think we are smart and keep bragging about it? If Nigerians really are that smart, we would have solved the problems in our country. SPOILER ALERT - NIGERIANS ARE NOT AS SMART AS THEY THINK.

Everytime an arguement comes across, you guys are always quick to pick out a few Nigerians who left the country and are doing well in other countries. Does this number represent the average Nigerian? The same Nigeria where millions of students cheat "dubb" right from primary school and use expo to pass jamb? Lets get real here. Why do we fail to point out that there are also Nigerian students that travel abroad and perform WOEFULLY. Some have actually been kicked out of school. To those who claim that 3rd class grads in nigeria go abroad and become automatic first class students, did it ever occur to you that maybe those students were just unserious when they were in nigeria or maybe they had some issues that led to loss in concentration? Trust me when i tell you that majority of 3rd class grads in nigeria will still end up with 3rd class grades when they leave to the west. Yes there are some exceptional ones but do not even try to insinuate that it is general.

Do you guys know that many nigerian students graduate with less than 3.0/4.0 grade point averages in the U.S. You only make noise about the exceptional ones and ignore the average students, yet you claim that "Nigerians" in general can do this or that.
The same Nigerian students that leak exam questions? The same Nigerian students that i have been in class with in the U.S that "dubb" homeworks and even use expo during midterms?
The sooner we face our problems the better. We are a nation full of AVERAGE folks that "think" they are smart. Look at the current situation with waec?
If our system is as good as people claim, then i'd expect other folks from other countries to be rushing into nigeria. Last i checked, there are no queues for immigrant visas at the nigerian embassy in atl,ny or dc!!

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by kaleidoscope: 8:12pm On Nov 04, 2012
"Intelligence wrapped in its abstract theoretical forms constitutes nothing other than distant dreams hidden in the heavens"

Simple Explanation to this trend..... The Priorities we place on our education and grading is very much different from what other more advanced educational systems do...... I have tasted both sides of the divide and my conclusion?? I shake my head for my country....
Many won't understand me, but its the hard truth...

For our present day scholars, If you have the opportunity, finance and will power to pursue an advanced foreign education... GO FOR IT...

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Re: 53% Foreign-schooled Doctors Fail Induction Tests by Nobody: 7:47am On Nov 05, 2012
dBard:

Had t reply dis. 1)The avoidable deaths u talked of in most cases r Not d fault of d health professionals. Patients here go to d hospital only as a last resort, after doing d self medication-chemist - nurse- church rounds. up to 75% of women still go t maternity homes t deliver only presenting wen problems arise.Not saying all drs r excellent but, lets b fair. 2) the human body is d primary tool of all Drs. the ability t understand d workings will t a large extent det ur effectiveness in diagnosis n treatment. technology here is actually not that much of an advantage. Understand that. running abroad t treat wat is not common dre makes no sense. they do it t justify wat dey steal
I've been to a teaching hospital & I know what I'm talking about. There's a sinificant number of medically avoidable deaths. We watch & see medical miracles on TV (I'm not talking of fictional TV series) performed by foreign doctors including indians.
Adaptation is a human trait. Just as not so bright students travel & achieve better grades, likewise the intelligent local doctors will, if given the opporttunity but saying Nigerian doctors are better than foreign doctors could just be the highest level of oblivion.
NB:- Rich nigerians does not only include shady politicians but all & sundry.

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