Countries like Belarus, Ukraine...they're more advanced but very corrupt
students pay to pass exams. Lecturers can't speak English. Most of the time they use
interpreters. It's strange some people are comparing graduates from Nigeria Universities
with Graduates from European union countries or North America.

Many students from Nigeria can't even make the admission list in Eu countries to study medicine.
make your research very well before spilling rubbish.

Let us not be deceiving ourselves. We are no where near the developed Nations in terms of everything; medicine, technology and so on. I am in Germany now and I know why the politicians will always want to come to Germany for treatment and so on. Where there is no equipment, you cant do nothing. You are quick to point that there are many Nigerian doctors doing well abroad. Ask yourself, what age bracket? Then again, where did they get their medical qualifications? If you talk of those who practiced medicine in the 70s or early 80s in Nigeria who are the Professors or Consultants of today, they can stand with their counterpart anywhere in the world but doctors from the late 90s...abeg if you are sleeping..then wake up.
How many doctors in Nigeria is in line with advancement in Medical science? Our schools (plus medical schools) are not equipped. They just read the books and perform the basic practice of medicine which some may be very good at and then you say wow! But take him to a hospital abroad and tell him to work, he wouldnt except he gets more training. There is no basis of comparison with Medical students from Germany, US, UK, Belgium, even India.

Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.

You are very very very very very wrong to the 25th power! I know at least five Nigerian doctors, four from uniben and one from Unilag that where employed in the US and beat other doctors trained in US universities. You lot are so full of insecurity, it is alarming. Knowledge is universal. It has nothing to do with location. The textbook used in the US universities are fully available to the Nigerian students back home. Some of you lads in diaspora make me really sad. You don't have a clue of your country.

Like I said, knowledge is universal. How good you become is a function of how hard you work, not where you are born or where you live. In fact, Nigerian doctors are always better because the system here is almost like a military drill. Do you know what some of us have to go through in school? Do you know the discipline we had to imbibe to go through school. If you put me in a class with any oyibo guy, give us the same materials and ask us to read, comprehend and apply what we read, I will leave him behind to eat my poo in less than 3 months. Which oyibo or any of you diaspora peeps have ever read from 10pm in the night to 8am the next morning? Answer me! Even with only indomie in your stomach! Which of you have ever finished a physics textbook in 3 days? That your aje icecream study you do there is what you come here and talk about? If the same facilities available overseas are made available to Nigerian students, they would already have gone to mars and back.

Its such a shame, our past leaders messed up the country if not, funny peeps like you will not be talking with such inferiority complex.

I think those foreign trained doctors are products of st kitts&nevis medical trained doctors or to be precise they are products of carrib universities.

thelastPope:

You are very very very very very wrong to the 25th power! I know at least five Nigerian doctors, four from uniben and one from Unilag that where employed in the US and beat other doctors trained in US universities. You lot are so full of insecurity, it is alarming. Knowledge is universal. It has nothing to do with location. The textbook used in the US universities are fully available to the Nigerian students back home. Some of you lads in diaspora make me really sad. You don't have a clue of your country.

Like I said, knowledge is universal. How good you become is a function of how hard you work, not where you are born or where you live. In fact, Nigerian doctors are always better because the system here is almost like a military drill. Do you know what some of us has rto go through in school? Do you know the discipline wwe had to imbibe to go through school. If you put me in a class with any oyibo guy, give us the same materials and ask us to read, comprehend and apply what we read, I will leave him behind to eat my poo in less than 3 months. Which oyibo or any of you diaspora peeps have ever read from 10pm in the night to 8am the next morning? Answer me! Even with only indomie in your stomach! Which of you have ever finished a physics textbook in 3 days? That you aje icecream study you do there is what you come here and talk about? If the same facilities available overseas is made available to Nigerian students, they would already have gone to mars and back.

Its such a shame, our past leaders messed up the country if not, funny peeps like you will not talking with such inferiority complex.

they all say this,yet africa is not growing. For every developed country of the world is as a result of how they have used their brains either academical or been innovative to apply in d building process of the country.

seedord247:


Yes we're goood in theory.....

But have you take time to take a step out of your intellingency.... Here in the US.... sincerely speaking, we all relied on technology....i have frnds that graduate out medical schools, they always tell me there's nothing to study again since technology can identify your sicknes....

It is d so called technology dat makes mockery of d medical practition dese days. As a dr, wit A GOOD HISTORY AND PHYSICAL EXAMINATION, I mek 80% of my diagnosis. I only nid technology to confirm my diagnosis. But wat we get dese days is drs dat can tek a gud history. All dey rely on is lab result and CT scan, wasting d resources of d poor patients

chaircover: It depends on the questions they were asked in the test; whether they were based on disorders commonly found in tropical parts of the world or not.

We have a Nigerian trained doctor in our GP surgery and he was the only one who had seen whitlow before and knew what to do when my husband had it on his finger. The other doctors in the surgery had sent my husband home with paracetamol. Funny enough, even before that episode, he was the most thorough of all the doctors in the practice.

My brother is a Nigerian trained doctor, runs his own private practice and has tons of knowledge.

IMO opinion Naija trained doctors have the knowledge, but they are let down by the technology, equipment & resources which is a shame.

I also heard somewhere that Nigerian pilots are some of the most experienced in the world; same situation I should think. Having to make do with so little.

Thank you. You just spoke my mind. Nigerian trained doctors have been exposed to alot of conditions that the western trained doctors arent exposed to. so definitely when confronted with such scenarios, they would do better.

kayjegs: Let us not be deceiving ourselves. We are no where near the developed Nations in terms of everything; medicine, technology and so on. I am in Germany now and I know why the politicians will always want to come to Germany for treatment and so on. Where there is no equipment, you cant do nothing. You are quick to point that there are many Nigerian doctors doing well abroad. Ask yourself, what age bracket? Then again, where did they get their medical qualifications? If you talk of those who practiced medicine in the 70s or early 80s in Nigeria who are the Professors or Consultants of today, they can stand with their counterpart anywhere in the world but doctors from the late 90s...abeg if you are sleeping..then wake up.
How many doctors in Nigeria is in line with advancement in Medical science? Our schools (plus medical schools) are not equipped. They just read the books and perform the basic practice of medicine which some may be very good at and then you say wow! But take him to a hospital abroad and tell him to work, he wouldnt except he gets more training. There is no basis of comparison with Medical students from Germany, US, UK, Belgium, even India.

Stop exibiting ignorance my friend. The reason politicians go abroad for treatment is not because the doctors are not good but because the facilities required for some of those stuff are not available here. Every 3rd class graduate I have seen that goes abroad to school always come out on top of their class. I have never seen a Nigerian doctor or engineer that goes for an advance study abroad that failed. Never!

Shollypopz: If u're trying to compare Nigerian trained doctors to US trained doctors, then u're joking or don't have a clue of what u're talking about.

There is no one Nigerian university among top 3000 in the world!!

Your use of foreign is quite broad though, I mean d reason for d low percentage could as well be from Nigerians trained in countries like Togo.

lol, all na foreign.

I beg to disagree, but U.S trained doctor are not and never the best in the world. It will interest you to know that majority of top medical expert in the U.S are either from Asia or Africa. Not even Black-American. Ever wondered why Nigerians and Africans as a whole keeps graduating for foreign universites with upper-class. Ever wondered why Cancer patience and people with sickness of all kinds are been flown to india instead of the U.S. BTW, why was your first lady flown to Germany.?! Why was yar'adua flown to Saudi Arabia instead of the U.S?! Or they don't know that United States exist. IMO, U.S doctors are quack doctors and not the other way round.

360command: they all say this,yet africa is not growing. For every developed country of the world is as a result of how they have used their brains either academical or been innovative to apply in d building process of the country.

Again, you are so wrong! Let me ask you.

Does the financial crisis in the US and most of Europe mean they are not using their brain? When germans before II world war were using a load of cash to buy a loaf of bread, was it because they didn't use their brain? Is America's 16trillion debt because they are not using their brain?

You lads should please read wide and understand the difference between socio-cultural and political issues and human capacity to develop. That Nigeria is going through socio-political issues is not a reason to say Nigerians are not using their brain. If it follows that anyone who lives abroad is automatically more intelligent, why aint many of you bringing up any innovative stuff. All I see most of you do is criticize Nigeria. Seun is home bred and doing great. In comparison, the sahara reporters guy who lives abroad only peddles junk! Funny

omenziate: So a bad Naija medical student from John Hopkins, McGill, University of toronto, uni of south carolina will b compared to someone from OAU, UI and Uniben. Mke dem better take time. Hw many medical doctors dey do research for Naija? Medicine no b by la cram , la pour , la pass , la forget o.

God bless you, I don't like it When people comment with sentiments and refuse to face truth and reality.

Shollypopz:
That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!.

fact is those rankings are bs. Who made the rankings? Another US or british based organisation? If it is, please gimme a break. We all know they are quick to belittle anything african. And they are doing a good job at it cos they know africans like you are readily available to shove anything they give right up your throat without analysing it. Im not saying nigerian schools(medic schools inclusive) are doing well, but that ranking is just over the top! Well, nigerians don't even appreciate what is theirs...so i won't say im surprised at you. But if you really travel, you will know nigerian professionals (not just doctors) are well sort after around the world. Sometimes, we nigerians just have to pretend like we don't see these rankings cos we know the motive behind it; all other african countries do the same.
Again, if you've attended any american university, you will realise they are all overhyped(im not saying they bad oo, but they are just hyped to the roof). America itself is overhyped.......but africa on the other hand is underrated, due to so many low selfesteemed guys....like you as a matter of fact......smh. Damn!
Back to the topic, most nigerian sectors are actually not doing badly. Atleast not as bad as people(even nigerians themselves) put it. What i just want is for them to be more orderly, professional, fair.......and some other little little things that count in the long run (lemme just say a A PRESENTABLE PACKAGING...)

sunky644:
God bless you, I don't like it When people comment with sentiments and refuse to face truth and reality.

I have always come tops in every conference I have attended abroad and I have attended very many. The oyibo guys have never ever dominated me in one. All they know is textbook routines. They are always so specialised, they know little or nothing outside their area of specialization. You cannot compare the average Nigerian doctor that goes through Uniben or UI to their counterparts in any, I repeat, any US university. The Nigerian guys are far more knowledgable, vast and broad. The scope of work they are required to cover is far bigger than that for US doctors.

Shollypopz:
hhmm, I'm very calm. I don't think my post showed any form of agitation.

That aside, when u make comparison next time, make sure u do it on an average sense/scale.
U can't take the achievement of one student(an abnormally) and say because he did this, then bla bla..........

I'm very patriotic to my country Nigeria but comparing med schools in Nigeria to those in the US is quite alarming. Shows u have no clue what u're talking about. I don't mean to exaggerate the importance of ranking but when we as a country are that down on the list then there has to be some truth to it.

I mean we are not among top 3000, 3000!! 3000 my brother!! 3000!!

And of course, I'm not basing all my claims solely on ranking but when we look at the products and what US trained doctors can do practically, we don't even come close. The facilities available, the genuine critical reasoning, abstract and real life instances based exam questions?

As a Nigerian, I'm sure u don't want me to over flog the issue that we're all theory and no practical.

How is this so called ranking done? How did they get their data? Did they come to Nigeria to access the schools before they drew conclusion?? Make Oyinbo people go sitdown Jor!

Nigerian doctors aren't doing bad @ all and I think they are very intelligent.After learning the theoretical part here,they tend to excel abroad after commencing a practical med course.Thereby acquiring more knowledge @ theoretical,technological and practical field of study.

solomon111: Cool down,lady.
You are taking this too personal,or maybe it is personal.
It is a known fact that doctors trained in Nigeria are somehow better than those in the host country.
A friend of my cousin that just graduated from UNIBEN has been snapped up by W.H.O,and from the report i got,he was the best in the test that was set for them.
He outscored students from the US,UK,Germany,Canada,e.t.c.
Besides those rankings are not necesarily based on the quality of education in those universities.
I am quite sure that a good number of the universities those doctors that failed the induction exams went to,are ranked higher than Nigeria.
So i would take those rankings with a heavy dosage of salt.

Atleast 53% of them passed!
How many nigerian doctors that went abroad ever passed their integration exam??...hohohohhahahaha!
I don't have faith in our doctors at all... Had a really terrible experience!

Stop fooling yourselves! Stop comparing yourselves with others. How many Nigerian doctors pass the same tests? Your headline is misleading! There are different types of tests and it all depends on what they are testing. The whole story is completely irrelevant.

tiniyata: @ all disregarding Nigeria, what if the 106 dooctors that failed are from universities in the US n UK? U are all here critizing ur own country.....foo!$.... If its on news that 60% Nigerians failed WAEC u all will be quick to call NIgerian students brain drain, n our institution a failed institution. What makes u think any US or UK students are better than us academically, if not ASUU strike, go and find out what Nigerian Student are doing abroad n their perfomances, and y'all will be so amazed. I personally graduated from UNIBEN and i dont think any US student can outshine me academically, except ofcourse u low life, low self-exteemed, unpatriotic s<umbags, who go about destroyin ur country, n yet claim to be Nigeria, if not for visa lottery or community support from ur village chief, most of u would have still been in ur village farms....mtchew

U are notin but a blowhard, hw much book u sabi? Over patriotic knave. Which school u dey for US? Make u no go east tennesse state uni come dey brag here o. Nigerians are good, avid learners and persistent no doubt, but Medicine abroad especially US, canada, germany, belgium and d top european countries are not on d same level wit Naija's medicine. Wonder why ur governors have common malaria and dey rush to germany. Watch medical dramas e.g house, grey's anatomy , some are exaggerated medicine no doubt but they give u a hint of wat is obtainable abroad.

I must say,I'm shocked,really shocked at the level of ignorance shown by most people on this particular thread.
Nigerians who are determined to excel can do so here and in diaspora I agree but to say that doctors trained in Naija are better than those abroad is delusional na. Like seriously any right thinking Nigerian can think like this
Smh for all who reason this way honestly.

dBard:

am sorry but I ve t disagree,tho wit a lil bias . ve come across both d u.k Drs n dse from oda developed countries n frankly dey aren't all that. imagine how long it takes t make a diagnosis there compared t here n also d quality of thier training. Yes, in terms of tech advancement n facilities dey beta but let me summarise by saying wat we do,we do dem far better..Truth

very true, they might be better in facilities but when it comes to genuine critical reasoning that leads to accurate diagnosis we are far better. mayb because we overcompensate for our technological deficiencies

Aqva: Crap. How can a med student in UI or Unilorin be better than a John Hopkins trained doc? I'm sure the failures are those trained in substandard schools in developing countries. I'm not saying Naija doctors are not good but they are light yrs behind in terms of technology and diagnosis.

Actually Naija doctors are only conversant with the basic illnesses, malaria, high bp, SCD, asthma etc. Go and watch Medical Diagnosis on Discovery Channel and then u will understand what it means to be a doctor in a developed nation.

ignorance is a terrible thing. fyi any doctor worth his salt shld be able t come up with several(differential) diagnosis from d history n physical exam alone. the tech (investigation) usually is t confirm ur diagnosis. medicine has n always be dependant on a doctors diagnostic acumen not technology.

Nairalanders should stop deceiving themselves
Nigeria is a century behind most of these western countries
So stop comparing Nigeria with these developed countries.

No medical doctor trained either in US/UK wil return to this country to practise bc doctors are being paid heavily in those countries unlike in NIgeria.All thse so called foreign trained doctors who fail this exams are those students who were frustrated out of the country.Some of them were withdrawn in med schls in Naija,some re average students whose parents re bent on spending their last penny to make sure they produce Medical doctors.I knw of some private universities dat collected millions frm their students bt were denied accreditation by the medical regulatory body.These mediocre rich students moved enmass to universities in carribean island to study medicine.Studying medicine in Nigeria is highly competitive especially in the FG owned universities dat re relatively equipped.Most of these schls produce doctors who re doing well outside the country.

oladapo_a1: ... Bros, seems u are brought up in pakistan but av an origin in Nigeria.. Type A or B or K. Wch 1 shud i send?

send am finish post utme dey await u

thelastPope:

You are very very very very very wrong to the 25th power! I know at least five Nigerian doctors, four from uniben and one from Unilag that where employed in the US and beat other doctors trained in US universities. You lot are so full of insecurity, it is alarming. Knowledge is universal. It has nothing to do with location. The textbook used in the US universities are fully available to the Nigerian students back home. Some of you lads in diaspora make me really sad. You don't have a clue of your country.

Like I said, knowledge is universal. How good you become is a function of how hard you work, not where you are born or where you live. In fact, Nigerian doctors are always better because the system here is almost like a military drill. Do you know what some of us have to go through in school? Do you know the discipline we had to imbibe to go through school. If you put me in a class with any oyibo guy, give us the same materials and ask us to read, comprehend and apply what we read, I will leave him behind to eat my poo in less than 3 months. Which oyibo or any of you diaspora peeps have ever read from 10pm in the night to 8am the next morning? Answer me! Even with only indomie in your stomach! Which of you have ever finished a physics textbook in 3 days? That your aje icecream study you do there is what you come here and talk about? If the same facilities available overseas are made available to Nigerian students, they would already have gone to mars and back.

Its such a shame, our past leaders messed up the country if not, funny peeps like you will not be talking with such inferiority complex.

Ha ha ha.A med student in Nigeria reading from 10pm to 8am is an achievement? Dude u really a village champion,I urge you to visit a medical school in the United States.Have you heard of the MCAT,Step1,step2 and Step3?
Reading a physics text book in three days?Damn,give me that book...a cup of coffee and set the clock at 24hours.

Please,never compare your education to that of any US med school.TRAVEL AND SEE!!

Tolaaaaannni: @op please specify on your use of "foreign-schooled doctors". I will really like to know where all this "foreign schooled doctors" that failed the Nigerian induction tests were trained. I know for a fact that those "foreign-schooled Doctors" were sure not trained in the U.S, If you can survive the MCAT you sure as hell should be able to handle an Induction test especially one from a country like Nigeria.

the problem is that most of us regard Nigeria as where nothing good comes from and therefor anything American is better than Nigerian, it is absolutely wrong!!! I think knowledge sometimes is a personal thing and not based on the system a person passed through. A Nigerian doctor with little or nothing in terms of help of technology stil performs medical miracles . Is it not here that u see a doctor improvise with torch and candle to perform surgery when power fails in the middle of a risky operation and stil comes out successful!!! No American trained doctor can try that without butchering the patient!! Lol. I am not saying that is the best but that our doctors given the level of technology available here and not doing too badly. A kid from a our public university goes abroad to excel and pple don't ask why! I think that haven been used to the rigorous training one goes through here, gettin into the system where there becomes quite easier!!!

I pity those ppl who dont want to hear gud tin abt nigeria.those america trained doctors&nurses are nt beta dan ui,oau&unilag doctors and dats y u hardly find dem in practisin in nigeria after graduation.they go to US and UK to practise.d present president of cardiologist(heart surgeon) in california US graduated 4rm oau and a graduate of ui is one of d top ten neurosurgeon is US.2006 WHO day showed dat UK has ova 7000 nigeria trained doctors so wot are we talkin abt?

saxywale:
whitlow is very common in Nigeria cos of the way people wash clothes and other stuffs with their hands. In Advanced country, if you even have to wash with your hands, there are specially made hand detergents which are very very mild. I won't be suprised if it is limited to the tropics. So doctors in temperate regions might have no idea of it. I once had malaria in the UK after a visit to Nigeria, I was quarantined and a special Spanish doctor who has worked in Venezuela was posted to the hospital where I was quarantined to treat me.(I was treated like a king) cos of common malaria. I have met doctors in Nigeria who have not even heard of autism.

My friend, carry out your research well before you comment on any post. Am still a student doctor, yet I count even count how many cases of autism I have come across!!!! Listen, foreign students are spoon fed with modern technologies, while Nigerian students, and Nigerian trained doctors crack their brain to the maximum, and you are here telling me foreign drs this, foreign drs that!!!!!

I feel a sense of sorry for these wanna be nigeria Doctors after all the money and time they have to wait for another year I guess. I can imagine the frustration and depression some may be passing through now. Studying medicine in Nigeria is rigorous and tough esp during clinical. You don't necessarily have to be brilliant. The problem with medicine in Nigeria is everybody wants to be a doctor, parents force their children to study medicine because of the assumed prestige which is even not there. little wonder people,even some state government (Northern Nig) send students abroad to study it when you have it everywhere. It makes no sense to me . Technology aside, if you got talent and passion for a particular profession, study it anywhere, you'll compete with anybody anywhere. Medicine is not by force.

Una don forget Nurses? #unfair... How about Nigerian trained nurse vs foreign trained nurse...which one better pass?

GHANA OGA:

Ha ha ha.A med student in Nigeria reading from 10pm to 8am is an achievement? Dude u really a village champion,I urge you to visit a medical school in the United States.Have you heard of the MCAT,Step1,step2 and Step3?
Reading a physics text book in three days?Damn,give me that book...a cup of coffee and set the clock at 24hours.

Please,never compare your education to that of any US med school.TRAVEL AND SEE!!

Thank you!! I mean I'm astonished at the way they are comparing Nigerian trained doctors to US trained doctors. It's ridiculous.

Shollypopz:
Thank you!! I mean I'm astonished at the way they are comparing Nigerian trained doctors to US trained doctors. It's ridiculous.

Do not mind them. I would rather have a Surgeon/Doctor that has been trained and that has experience utilizing the most sophisticated equipment in the world to treat me than have one that scored 100% in all the exams he/she has ever taken.
Nigerians know how to pass exams. That is not what the world needs. What the world needs is technical prowess. The fact that nigerian trained doctors do better in exams is nothing to brag about. I can guarantee you that if you take some of the best doctors in the US, they may even fail the so called exams because Nigerian exams are set that way. The same thing applies to Job tests. I have a friend that is one of the greatest things that happened to a "certain" big oil producing major in the US. He decided to test the waters and apply for a position in Nigeria. He was asked to take a job test with other recent nigerian graduates because he had less than 5yrs experience. Well, all but one of the recent Nigerian graduates did better than him. They were 16 in number. 14 people scored above 85% which was the cut-off, while the guy and one other person scored less than 40%. I believe it was called dragnetcom exam or something.
To a regular nigerian, they would claim the US grad is an olodo since the nigerian grads did way better than him. Nigerians are used to taking exams and tests and they do really well at it and that is where it ends. Doing well at exams. What the world really needs is productivity. The guy in question is now a manager. His boss found out he was applying to other companies and recommended him to be promoted to "keep" him with the company.