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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Godogwu: 5:00pm On Nov 09, 2012
When it comes to the Nigerian Government's decisions everyone becomes a critic.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by vanstanzy(m): 5:13pm On Nov 09, 2012
Godogwu: When it comes to the Nigerian Government's decisions everyone becomes a critic.

Dude, the FG has shown us over the years what they are capable of doing with tax-payers' money. So the criticism is justified.

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by werepeLeri: 5:15pm On Nov 09, 2012
vanstanzy:

Dude, the FG has shown us over the years what they are capable of doing with tax-payers' money. So the criticism is justified.

Thats true - even when it is meaningless criticism. of course it is justified, who says its not?
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by yinchar(m): 5:23pm On Nov 09, 2012
I dont understand all this saying about imminent collapse are the airlines not making profits, Nigeria domestic airfares is one of the highest in the world....still they are going bankrupt, this is very ironic......
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Godogwu: 5:33pm On Nov 09, 2012
vanstanzy:

Dude, the FG has shown us over the years what they are capable of doing with tax-payers' money. So the criticism is justified.

please don't start this taxpayers rubbish. how much exactly do you pay in tax?, its not like you get taxed for every single thing you buy and please not everyone pays taxes. I'm not in any way supporting the wrong movements and decisions of our past or present leaders but please give these guys a break, some people make it seem like these law makers are illiterates while some are very well schooled and academically sound.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by mustspin: 5:36pm On Nov 09, 2012
the only reason we are seeing this kind of action is because the aviation sector actually bothers them more than the road transport sector since they and their families are always flying around. cries have been on on the major inter-state highways(lagos-ibadan, benin-ore, abuja-lokoja etc but the government refuse to budge because they hardly use these roads. intervention my ass.

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by TrueNaijaBwoy: 5:37pm On Nov 09, 2012
Those wey go chop, go chop! Una wey dey suffer go continue to dey suffer!

The intention is there, the resource to keep it together is not.....

10 years later, they'll run it to the ground

Watch this space

The True NaijaBwoy has spoken
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Dee60: 5:44pm On Nov 09, 2012
yinchar: I dont understand all this saying about imminent collapse are the airlines not making profits, Nigeria domestic airfares is one of the highest in the world....still they are going bankrupt, this is very ironic......

Cost of doing business in Nigeria is too high, that's why. It isn't just the airfares, everything else is expensive. You will pay 500 dollars for a hotel room here and same size abroad is just about 90 dollars. Corruption worsens it all...Egunje spoils things.

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Nobody: 5:47pm On Nov 09, 2012
so that means the N300Billion earlier approved and disbursed is gone with the wind with no accountability.

Government business is good business.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Samxiulee: 6:20pm On Nov 09, 2012
30 brand new aircraft won't be bad at all,but govt needs to know the main cause of this airlines going bankrupt,while they are doing that, they can give the new aircrafts to the operators on lease while they investigate the real problem with the sector.

BTW what's up with all this ministers having special advisers and special assistant?they are now too big,important and busy to tell the people their plans they send their messengers.
am sure this special adviser will also have a secretary,a driver nd a special assistant,that explains why 75% of the budgets goes to recurrent expenditures and not capital project.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by ubong560(m): 6:50pm On Nov 09, 2012
Expect more plane crashes and pray u r nt involved.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by chiteny(m): 7:17pm On Nov 09, 2012
I DON TIRE FOR NIGERIA angry
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Nobody: 7:57pm On Nov 09, 2012
oops the fg announced a plan again. . .
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by werepeLeri: 8:02pm On Nov 09, 2012
Dee60:

Cost of doing business in Nigeria is too high, that's why. It isn't just the airfares, everything else is expensive. You will pay 500 dollars for a hotel room here and same size abroad is just about 90 dollars. Corruption worsens it all...Egunje spoils things.

Example?
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by adconline(m): 8:02pm On Nov 09, 2012
The ruling class has refused to fix the roads and railway, now it's time to buy airplanes for their comfort, so that they can stay further away from the masses.

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by friedrice1: 8:05pm On Nov 09, 2012
The question is, What happened to the first 300 BILLION disbursement

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by samfibby(m): 8:51pm On Nov 09, 2012
less than 10% of nigerians patronize air transport, the govt is willing to invest 300 billion naira, whereas the rail transport which has the potential to transport more than 40% will do well with 100 billion naira if well channeled. The govt just doesnt get its priority straight. These kind of decisions are responsible for keeping a large percentage of nigerians in perpetual poverty. The bail-outs given to the banking sector have not brought about significant change, now the the aviation sector wants its own share of the cake. Clueless and corrupt leaders. The question is how much of that money will go as kick backs to the governors and executives.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Venchy: 8:54pm On Nov 09, 2012
Nigeria I hail thee.

Why buy Air craft when Corruption is a way of life and mismanagement is their Motor.

We are wasteful nation and we can get our priority right.

With this type people in government, it's impossible, impossibilization......Koni se se.

Our foundation for all this things are not solid.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Elueme: 9:36pm On Nov 09, 2012
1supremo: The only thing I see is the creation of opportunities for some persons to embezzle! What a country!! Achebe says "THERE WAS A COUNTRY"- not anymore.
Stop drooling and stop soiling this forum with phlem... Its stench is rising to high heavens..
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Elueme: 10:10pm On Nov 09, 2012
So some nitwits must down talk any move both sincere and ? Insincere.. Smh..
Notwithstanding, this is a well thought out initiative to the benefits of the flying public, airline operators and the economy.the country needs more of this intervention in key sectors of the economy that are ailing.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by ikdaddy01(m): 10:25pm On Nov 09, 2012
billante:

It was learnt that the National Executive Council (NEC) made up of state governors, minister of Finance, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) governor, Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, and chaired by  vice president Namadi Sambo, particularly harped on the need for such intervention, at a meeting held in Abuja last week.



Am I sure?
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by supereagle(m): 11:08pm On Nov 09, 2012
I don tire of all their promise oh.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by taharqa: 11:17pm On Nov 09, 2012
samfibby: less than 10% of nigerians patronize air transport, the govt is willing to invest 300 billion naira, whereas the rail transport which has the potential to transport more than 40% will do well with 100 billion naira if well channeled. The govt just doesnt get its priority straight. These kind of decisions are responsible for keeping a large percentage of nigerians in perpetual poverty. The bail-outs given to the banking sector have not brought about significant change, now the the aviation sector wants its own share of the cake. Clueless and corrupt leaders. The question is how much of that money will go as kick backs to the governors and executives.

I dont just understand why some of you Noise making perpetual critics would not have the decency to at least check your 'facts' or even criticize with some level of consistency. If the thread was about how the Aviation Industry was collapsing cos of old airplanes or God forbid, about a plane crash due to old aircrafts, the thread would hve been crawling with you guys Shouting at the top of your voices.

By the way, this govt has done more for the Railways than Aviation. Today, most of the tracks over the country have been or/and are been rehabilitated. The Lagos Intra-state Train service, Lagos-Ilorin, Lagos-Zungeru, Minna-Kano, Minna-Kaduna, Intra-Kaduna and many other routes along the Lagos-Kano track have been resuscitated (the only thing keeping the Full Lagos-Kano is a bridge between Zungeru and Minna which NRC says should be done before the end of the year). The 2nd main line PH-Maiduguri track is also undergoing rehabilitation. The Standard Guage Ajaokuta-Aladja-Warri track that has been in the works since Shagari has been completed finally (if you stay along this corridor like myself you would have seen the beautiful tracks) except for the navigation aids which NRC says will be done before the end of the 1st quarter of next year. Similarly, the Standard guage Abuja-Kaduna track construction has not stopped and is more than 45% complete whilst the Abuja Light rail project that has been stalled previously has restarted (if you stay in buja and environs, you would see the tracks been laid continuously). The contract for the start of the Standard Double-Track Lagos-Ibadan track and its funding has been concluded recently (though am not sure that actual work has started there). In simple terms, there has never been more work done in the railways sector since the independence of Nigeria than in the last 3 years . This is for a sector where the railways were virtually comatose with workers not paid, NRC offices and the tracks overgrown with weeds

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/transformation-of-the-transport-sector/124912/

All the PROPAGANDA going round that GEJ is not doing anything is just that, PROPAGANDA. Check info out by yourself esp before asserting it in public.

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by OmoTier1(m): 11:21pm On Nov 09, 2012
If there's any iota of truth in this report, may I add that Aircraft is not like toys you go to shop to buy from the shelf! I know too well that the main global Aircraft Manufacturers have their order books fully booked especially on the "sweet" aircrafts e.g B787-8, A320Neo, A330, B737MAX etc. This tells me FG will either end up buying "tokunbo" aircraft from those European Airlines undergoing bankruptcy or from those American airliners whose ageing aircraft have been parked in the deserts or buy from Leased companies at Astronomical costs at the expense of Nigeria tax payers!

Why can't FG follow China's model whereby the Chinese national government through her ExIM bank grant cheap credits to Airliners of Chinese origin, with strict monitoring, ensuring that they get the best deal from the Aircraft manufacturers they choose to buy from?

Imagine if FG was to make a deal with Airbus or Boeing ordering fro 100 Aircraft of various sizes with commensurable reciprocal investment by these aircraft manufacturers in Nigeria e.g. build an MRO facility for their plane or build a sub-assembly line in the country?
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Iolo(m): 11:38pm On Nov 09, 2012
werepeLeri:

and when America gave intervention funds to Auto industries to bail them out - what happened? What has government intervention got to do with privatisation.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm

You people will criticise any move with half baked inputs, no contrary suggestion, nothing intelligent - just half baked comments that doesnt make meaning neither involves any thinking - example, "the government is confused" - what kind of contribution is this? Haba? Even if the government is confused, what other opinion can you share that makes you better than them or better than what they are offering?

Lmao. We call it the "average Nigerian is confused syndrome." Much of the masses don't even know how to think properly due to malnutrition.

"Let's blame GEJ for ermmm....let's just find anything" syndrome.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Iolo(m): 11:43pm On Nov 09, 2012
Omo_Tier1: If there's any iota of truth in this report, may I add that Aircraft is not like toys you go to shop to buy from the shelf! I know too well that the main global Aircraft Manufacturers have their order books fully booked especially on the "sweet" aircrafts e.g B787-8, A320Neo, A330, B737MAX etc. This tells me FG will either end up buying "tokunbo" aircraft from those European Airlines undergoing bankruptcy or from those American airliners whose ageing aircraft have been parked in the deserts or buy from Leased companies at Astronomical costs at the expense of Nigeria tax payers!

Why can't FG follow China's model whereby the Chinese national government through her ExIM bank grant cheap credits to Airliners of Chinese origin, with strict monitoring, ensuring that they get the best deal from the Aircraft manufacturers they choose to buy from?

Imagine if FG was to make a deal with Airbus or Boeing ordering fro 100 Aircraft of various sizes with commensurable reciprocal investment by these aircraft manufacturers in Nigeria e.g. build an MRO facility for their plane or build a sub-assembly line in the country?


I think your mixing things up. What they would do is to place approximate funds for 30 aircraft with the CBN. Each Airline is then to negotiate with an aircraft .manufacturer or leasing company. When they've agreed on the details, the airline memos the CBN to make payment on its behalf.

Its totally up to each airline to buy good or dead aircraft. And seeing that its a loan and not dash, non of the airlines would want to buy scrap.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Nobody: 12:09am On Nov 10, 2012
In this era, it is another wastage. It is a way of making money for some boys. Most of the national carriers bearing country names actually belong to private concerns. Government has tried through CBN by giving intenvention fund to some airlines in Nigeria without any positive result. The aviation experts should let us know why airline business is unprofitable in Nigeria. A lot of airlines have folded up in Nigeria. Barr. Jimoh Ibrahim gave corruption and unfaithful staff as the reason for the suspension of air nigeria. You could remember Virgin Nigeria cannot survive the terrain before it became air nigeria with the pulling out of Virgin Air. Arik has loan and other domestic issues.

There must be a rescue, but I think the 30 planes rescue by government is another party for the boys.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by OmoTier1(m): 1:59am On Nov 10, 2012
Iolo:

I think your mixing things up. What they would do is to place approximate funds for 30 aircraft with the CBN. Each Airline is then to negotiate with an aircraft .manufacturer or leasing company. When they've agreed on the details, the airline memos the CBN to make payment on its behalf.

Its totally up to each airline to buy good or dead aircraft. And seeing that its a loan and not dash, non of the airlines would want to buy scrap.
I take it your response clearly portray that you know little or next to nothing on what is involved in the purchase of commercial aircraft of the like of B737. N300BN intervention fund previously given was 'dash' or 'loan'? What is the business of CBN in this matter, if at all, shouldn't it be the business of the NExIM and in whose portfolio this sums should be deposited? NExIM is there to fund imports and exports projects of which this clearly belongs.

What is clear is this, order books are full, and if any, most of the aircraft available for sale not lease are tukunbo aircrafts or Aircraft rejected by those who initially ordered for it for several reasons. Lets not kid ourselves, several countries have privately owned and well run airlines with little or no state aid except with proper regulation and over-sight! Why is Nigeria case so different? The reason the likes of Arik et al can not survive is not the number of aircraft in their possession, mainly it is due to FG lack of grasps of the regulation frame work and proper over-sight required for the industry to function properly. Why is Aviation fuel more expensive in Nigeria than most neighbouring countries? Why are our landing fees exorbitantly priced without a commensurate investment in aviation infrastructure?

If the FG like buy 10000 aircraft, if the necessary government over-sight and proper regulation is not adequately addressed, the industry will always come begging for more. Aviation is one business that is very cash consuming yet highly profitable if the government plays the sole role of regulations with selfless interest. Of course we know the current FG lacks what it takes to put such in place, hence the cheap way out that would benefit the wealthy is to pour huge sums into purchase what will most likely be tokunbo aircraft. Like we come to know with GEJ's government, huge sums is expended on issues without much thinking.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Greyhair1: 5:56am On Nov 10, 2012
what we wants is electricity n rail transport .
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by ektbear: 7:13am On Nov 10, 2012
This makes no sense to me.
Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by Iolo(m): 9:17am On Nov 10, 2012
Omo_Tier1:
I take it your response clearly portray that you know little or next to nothing on what is involved in the purchase of commercial aircraft of the like of B737. N300BN intervention fund previously given was 'dash' or 'loan'? What is the business of CBN in this matter, if at all, shouldn't it be the business of the NExIM and in whose portfolio this sums should be deposited? NExIM is there to fund imports and exports projects of which this clearly belongs.

What is clear is this, order books are full, and if any, most of the aircraft available for sale not lease are tukunbo aircrafts or Aircraft rejected by those who initially ordered for it for several reasons. Lets not kid ourselves, several countries have privately owned and well run airlines with little or no state aid except with proper regulation and over-sight! Why is Nigeria case so different? The reason the likes of Arik et al can not survive is not the number of aircraft in their possession, mainly it is due to FG lack of grasps of the regulation frame work and proper over-sight required for the industry to function properly. Why is Aviation fuel more expensive in Nigeria than most neighbouring countries? Why are our landing fees exorbitantly priced without a commensurate investment in aviation infrastructure?

If the FG like buy 10000 aircraft, if the necessary government over-sight and proper regulation is not adequately addressed, the industry will always come begging for more. Aviation is one business that is very cash consuming yet highly profitable if the government plays the sole role of regulations with selfless interest. Of course we know the current FG lacks what it takes to put such in place, hence the cheap way out that would benefit the wealthy is to pour huge sums into purchase what will most likely be tokunbo aircraft. Like we come to know with GEJ's government, huge sums is expended on issues without much thinking.


I agree with much of your post in that the FG needs to do more to provide a less costly business environment for the airlines. But I do think that this type of intervention funds are a huge step forward and deserves applause.

Airlines would be able to expand their services and take advantage of more routes. There's also the fact that aircraft lease payments and loan repayments both make up a substantial portion of their business operations and if they are able to get these loans at very low interest from the Govt it'll help.

Don't know why you decided to attack me but no one says they must buy brand new aircraft. Anything newer than 10 years is cool. Once its had a D check which is the most grueling and the engines are refitted with new ones that's perfect for them. I personally don't think any of the airlines would want to wait the 2-3 years we all know it takes manufacturers to fulfil their supply requests.

FG has recently said aircraft and spare parts are duty free items. This should help the airlines like Arik with hangers to keep their fleet in good condition @ lesser cost.

Talking about fuel costs. That's where next the FG needs to tackle. How do you propose they go about it?

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Re: FG To Buy 30 New Aircrafts For Aviation Industry by geeez: 9:19am On Nov 10, 2012
The biggest of all this administrations numerous jokes since 2011

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