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Re: Praying For The Dead by juman(m): 5:39pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Praying for the dead is important in Islam. Three Surat al Ikhlas for the dead Muslims. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by bongila(f): 5:44pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
If so,I should start praying for the soul of my uncle who died a MASON to be forgiven and accepted into heaven. HOGWASH. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by Boomark(m): 5:54pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Have you people not heard? "Let the dead bury the dead." also, "Let the dead pray for the dead." what a stricking similarity! Those following Christ should follow him while those following maccabee should follow him. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by Boomark(m): 5:57pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
bongila: If so,I should start praying for the soul of my uncle who died a MASON to be forgiven and accepted into heaven. HOGWASH. I wondered in Francais. Judgement will have no meaning then. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by odiyaka(m): 6:06pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
To those who to listen and believe, explanation is necessary. to those who dont want to listen no explanation is necessary. hurricaneChris: I'm jus forced by d blindness (to d truth) of some folks here to comment.To those who to listen and believe, explanation is necessary. to those who dont want to listen no explanation is necessary. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by egbenduru: 6:20pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
We may not know the fate of the dead only God alone knows.But it does not help us to mislead others by making references to subjects we do not have detailed knowledge of,for example NECROMANCY is not what most of us here on this thread define it to be,possibly they think that every Nairalander is a novice in matters of Religion and spirituality.Necromancy is the act of conjuring the dead,attempting to communicate with the dead.There is absolutely as far as I know nothing wrong praying for a loved one who has passed on marked with the sign of faith.God has the final say on their fate not we humans. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by Walexz02(m): 7:06pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Ok ok.. From Islamic perspective if you dont care u can click here and see for your self. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:21pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
chukwudi44: Maybe Jesus practised necromancy in 1 pet 3:18-21did it say that jesus prayed for the dead? |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:25pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo:compare 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 it'll tell you who these spirits are. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by mbulela: 7:26pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo: @ HerexG and Frosbel,The intercession of Jesus is no longer enough? He suddenly needs help in his intercessory ministry? 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:29pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
ijawkid:thank you |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:34pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
mbulela:they forget there is only one mediator between man and God. That is Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:40pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo: 1 Pet 4:6 "For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now DEAD..."first bolded. Was preached. Not is being preached. Shows past tense referring to when they were alive. Second bolded. The spirits that were locked up from Noah's day were disobedient angels who came to earth to marry daughters of men. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:52pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo:Ecclesiastes 9:10 explains the condition of the dead too. They know nothing. And can learn nothing. And No, the people in Noah's day weren't alive in Peter's day, he was referring to the angels locked in "Tartarus" |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 7:53pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo: @Ijawkid,they did not perish in the flood |
Re: Praying For The Dead by Ukeme453: 8:07pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Guys, no amount of prayer can change the place a dead person will spend his eternity. After dead is judgement. No more pardon 4 4giveness of sin. Heaven or Hell, period. Kkk |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 8:17pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
PHILIPPIANS 2:12 tells us to work out our OWN salvation. If i do bad, die, and they pray for me and i'm forgiven. Have i worked out MY OWN salvation? Or has someone worked out my salvation FOR ME? ponder 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by italo: 9:13pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
ciphoenix: PHILIPPIANS 2:12 tells us to work out our OWN salvation. If i do bad, die, and they pray for me and i'm forgiven. Have i worked out MY OWN salvation? Or has someone worked out my salvation FOR ME? ponder Ukeme453: Guys, no amount of prayer can change the place a dead person will spend his eternity. After dead is judgement. No more pardon 4 4giveness of sin. Heaven or Hell, period. Kkk I am not interested in proving to you anymore that Jesus preached to the dead. You should take up your shameful argument with Jesus or Peter who wrote it. Have you ever said "may his/her soul rest in peace" or have you responded "amen" to that before? YES or NO? |
Re: Praying For The Dead by try69: 10:01pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
In as much as it is not forbidden to pray for the dead, I would continue praying for the dead. We translate the bible too literally and most of us believe anything outside the bible is not it, quite wrong. Our timing and timing on the spiritual realm, I don't think would be same so when someone says after death comes judgement, they should think deeply. For goodness sakes if I love someone so much and after losing the person you say I should not say "rest in peace", then you'd better think twice |
Re: Praying For The Dead by haibe(m): 10:12pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
nne3870: I think most of us are guilty of praying for the dead, cos some ppl quickly adds 'may his/her soul rest in peace' once we hear some1 has passed on... And did i hear some one say amen? You guys would live longer if you stop dissing us and the church. Not that its a sin to pray for the dead but its just helpless and meaningless, yes i say "may his soul rest in peace" but i already know nothing can be done to change his destination no matter the prayer, besides the word "may his soul rest his peace" is only a statement of hoping for the dead and not prayer. To cut it short, praying for the dead isnt biblical, i think chukwudi got those passage he quoted all wrong. If it were possible for a persons prayer to be answered, then no one will go to hell, after a bloody sinner dies, all i will just do is to pray and then he goes to heaven (very senseless), now is the accepted time of salvation not when we are dead. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by Emperoh(m): 10:21pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
Translation of the bible according to each one's understanding. In the end, we contradict ourselves and show our crass misunderstanding of the Holy book Luther Kind also didn't help us with the books he removed. All the same, if u believe in praying for the dead, please go ahead If you don't believe, pls stick to your belief In so far as i followed this thread, i could see nothing other than personal view of what people think a verse is being said!! |
Re: Praying For The Dead by haibe(m): 10:31pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement: (heb 9:27) Will the prayer change God's standard of judgement? If it wont, then i think the prayer is meaningless. God can't be mocked, you cant live a sinful life and expect one prayer to save you when you die, common sense should tell us that, if the prayer could save, then jesus dint need to die for our sins since we can be saved after a prayer when we are dead. 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 10:51pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
italo:NO i've never |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ijawkid(m): 10:53pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
haibe: And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement: Sense wan kill you....shake my hands... From the stance of purgatory supporters,we can just relax back and pray for gadaffi,pilate,hitler,sadam hussein to make the kingdom of God simply by praying for them...... E no go work o...... 1 Like |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 10:56pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
ijawkid:thank You. God cannot be mocked. what a man have sown, that he shall reap. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by beamed: 11:27pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
haibe: And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement: Thank you sir. No comment from my side. The blind that has refused to see will continue to perpetually be in darkness. Beyond reading and citing quotes, it's necessary to receive revelation on this topic. God will always be right. Jesus is Lord. Enough of the veneration of some dead people. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by beamed: 11:38pm On Nov 16, 2012 |
ijawkid: Elijah was taken away by chariot of fire. Moses went to the hill top and nevr came back. Only knows what happened there. So where did the word "purgatory" come from ? Just like "Trinity", who manufactured the word "purgatory" ? I've combed my bible and I can't seem to find the usage of the two words. Please educate me. |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ijawkid(m): 12:10am On Nov 17, 2012 |
beamed: Beamed me sef dey ask the same question since o.......I don't have answers to those 2 words ""purgatory"" and the ""trinity"" because I don't believe in them.... But I'll tell you that elijah never went to the heavens that God resides....In his case of racing through earths atmosphere(heaven) the fiery chariot evidently transferred him(elijah) to another part of the earth,where he continued living for a time....... How do we know??....... Years later ,in fact,ELIJAH wrote a letter to JEHORAM ,the king of Judah the son of JEHoshaphat after that incident.....if he had gone into heaven and resided there that wouldn't have been possible...... You can find that evidence in the book 2 chronicles 2:12-15............ Also Jesus supported this point by saying in the book of john 3:13.. _____________________ _John 3:13..... New International Version (©1984) No" one" has ever gone into "heaven" except the one who came from" heaven"--the Son of Man. _________________________ It is obvious from Jesus' words that enoch,elijah,moses never went to the heaven you are thinking of....... |
Re: Praying For The Dead by ciphoenix: 12:55am On Nov 17, 2012 |
well said my brother |
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Re: Praying For The Dead by Boomark(m): 4:09am On Nov 17, 2012 |
beamed: Visit the last 2 pages(or pages 5,6,7) of the link below to see where trinity has been debunked again. [url]nairaland.com/1067350/another-look-trinity[/url] satan was dragging Moses' body with the arkangel Michael in Jude 9. I wonder what he wants to do with it. But God buried Moses himself, Deut 34:5-6. |
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