The list of blunders are too lenghty that I could only post the link here.

Couldn't believe this fools claimed the world would have ended in 1914.That man Charles Russel must have been high on marijuana.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

^^I am not a witness but i read their journals; Awake and watchtower. In no way did he say the world ended in 1914, what they believe is that before the beginning of the First world war, Jesus was handed the throne of earth by God.

It kind of protrays Jesus as a bad ruler, because the world started having disasters from 1914

jehovah wickedness

They had propesied they would would end in 1914.ijawkid,truthislight et al come and defend your faith.

Extracts from the link are given below

Changed Dates :: Failed Predictions

This section covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For the more important dates see the pages on 1914, 1925, 1975. Many of the following quotes are from the Watchtower Society's Studies in the Scriptures Series. Scanned copies of these books can be downloaded for free from jehovah.net.au/books.html.




"He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them." Luke 21:8

At John 16:13 Jesus said he would provide his followers Holy Spirit to correctly understand what the future holds;

"However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming."

Moses warned against those that make predictions in the name of Jehovah that do not come true;

"And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak..." Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The Watchtower says that the standard by which to judge a false messenger is whether their messages "come true"?

"Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers." Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8

Ironic, considering the Watchtower specifically said the end would come in 1914 and then 1925. The following section contains over 20 other "messages" promoted by the Watchtower for decades that turned out not to be "true". What does this prove about them as messengers?

Whereas doctrine is subjective and un-provable, time prophecy leaves no room for error. On a number of occasions the Watchtower put a line in the sand when saying a specific event was going to happen on a specific date. When those dates passed without event those statements proved beyond argument to be false. When something predicted to happen does not occur there is irrefutable evidence that Jehovah did not direct the interpretation. In line with the Scriptures above, the following incorrect dates prove the Watchtower Society is not guided by Jehovah.

In 1876, Russell became interested in time prophecy, after reading a copy of Barbour's publication Herald of the Morning. The end had not come in 1874, as the Adventists had predicted. However, Barbour explained that Matthew 24:27 meant Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874, the rapture would be 1878, and the end of the world was to occur in 1914. (see Watch Tower, 1906 July 15 for a detailed account.)

In Russell's doctrinal chronology the most important dates were 1874 and 1914:

"The chapter in SCRIPTURE STUDIES, Vol. II, showing the parallels between the Jewish and Christian Dispensations, makes prominent four dates, viz., (1) October, 1874; (2) April, 1878; (3) October, 1881, and (4) October, 1914;" Watch Tower 1911 June 15 p.190

"The careful student will have observed that the period designated 'The Time of the End' is very appropriately named, since not only does the Gospel age close in it, but in it, also, all prophesies relating to the close of this age terminate, reaching their fulfillments. The same class of readers will have noticed, too, the special importance of the last 40 of these 115 years (1874-1914), called 'The End' or 'Harvest.'" Studies in the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.121



The above timeline shows Russell's concept that the Second Coming of Jesus was 1874, and the start of the 1000 year earthly reign was 1914, as it was to end in 2914 A.D.



For Rutherford the important dates were:

"WE HAVE no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925." Watchtower 1922 May 15 p.147



Other significant dates the Watchtower no longer refer to are;

1799 A.D. - The beginning of the Last Days.

539 A.D. - Thought to be the start of Catholic Papal rule and the start point of many prophetic interpretations.

Of these above dates only 1914 is still considered significant, and even then, mostly for different reasons than originally prescribed. Though part of Watchtower lore for 60 years, most current Jehovah's Witnesses are unaware of their significance and that each one failed to eventuate as predicted.

Each time the Watchtower has predicted an occurrence, it has not eventuated as foretold, a 100% failure rate. Does this inspire confidence in Watchtower interpretation? Jehovah's Witnesses promoted these falsehoods in the past, and continue to zealously advocate current doctrine as unfailing truths.

It is claimed that Jesus found a cleansed Slave Class dispensing truthful food in 1919. However, Rutherford continued to promote Russell's interpretation of the dates for the 1700's, 1800's and 1914 until the 1930's. Many of the date prophecies were re-explained between 1930 and 1932; the remainder were adjusted in 1943. Rutherford even dismissed the majority of his own 1900's predictions.

Chapter 10 of Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom is devoted to the subject "Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth". This discusses that truth is progressive, yet makes little reference to the failed dates. Relegated to a footnote on page 133 is the statement that;

"A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free" and it was then refined the following year in the book "The Kingdom Is at Hand," as well as in later publications.

Scant mention is made of the incredible list of dates that had been abandoned. Nor does it clarify that it was not until 1943 that the beginning of Christ's presence was specifically changed from the year 1874 to 1914. This change was in The Truth Shall Make You Free, released in the time of Knorr and the first book to be printed that did not list the author's name. This was after the death of Rutherford and well after 1919 when Jesus inspection supposedly found a spiritually cleansed Organization.

One can imagine that over time most of the current doctrine describing events of the 1900's will eventually be seen to be of little relevance and relegated to the forgotten annals of Watchtower history. It is yet to be seen what will become of 1914; being the most significant doctrine it will be the most difficult to eradicate without overwhelming consequences.

1780

May 19, 1780 was the date for the first sign of the last days, "The Dark Day." Certain Adventists still hold to this date. It was said by Ellen that "Since the time of Moses no period of darkness of equal density, extent, and duration, has ever been recorded." (Great Controversy, p. 308) This was touched on in Studies in the Scriptures Series 4 (1897) p.604;

"Reckoning a hundred years from 1780, the date of the first sign, the limit would reach to 1880; and, to our understanding, every item predicted had begun to be fulfilled at that date"

The time of darkness, the first sign of the end, was caused by fires in New England and was confined mostly to the North-Eastern part of the United States. Quite typically a new religion will think their country is predicted in prophecy. The Adventists, Mormons and Watchtower Society all began as US centric religions.

1798

"And, perhaps we can answer: the "time, times, and a-half," ended in 1798, at the taking away of the papal dominion, and is one of the great landmarks of prophecy." Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.158

The 1260 days in Revelation 12:7 were said to extend from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. and marked by the end of Papal rule. In 1889, Russell changed the last days from 1798 to 1799, based on a new understanding that papal rule started in 539 A.D.

1799

"THE "Time of the End," a period of one hundred and fifteen (115) years, from A.D. 1799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures. "The Day of His Preparation" is another name given to the same period " Studies in the Scriptures Series 3 Thy Kingdom Come p.23

Few Witnesses today are aware of the relevance of the year 1799, that this year is pivotal to the very existence of Jehovah's Witnesses. 1799 was the beginning of 'the time of the end'. This concept started the era of enlightenment and Adventist movement of the 1800's, resulting in Russell's end time belief system.

In 1796, George Bell explained that the Pope was the Antichrist and would fall in 1797. The war that started shortly afterwards along with Napoleon debasing the Pope was seen as evidence of the fulfilment of this. So dramatic was the effect of the apparent fulfilment of this prophecy that it started a general belief that the last days had started and led to the Adventist movement as a whole. The reasoning was related to Daniel's prophecy of the King of the North and prophecies of the 1260 days in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:7 and 11:1-3.

Studies in the Scriptures Series II and Zion's Watch Tower 1889 discussed this as relating to the 1799 date.

Catholic Papal rule started in 539 A.D. and was said to have ended 1260 years later in 1799, thus starting the beginning of the time of the end. The prophecy of the 1355 days was similarly calculated to extend from 539 A.D. to 1874, another key date in Russell's understanding of the end times. Although Russell did not get involved in the Adventist movement until the 1870's, he accepted this date as truth and felt that God had chosen him as his mouthpiece to preach the urgency of the times.

This reasoning was still held well after the 1919.

"Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, ... and being completed in 1799, marks, according to the Prophet's own words, the beginning of the "time of the end."... "The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D., as above indicated to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah." The Harp ofGod (1921) pp.228,229,236

"The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Watchtower 1922 Mar 1 p.73

"Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, finished it, and then returned to France on October 1, 1799. The campaign is briefly, yet graphically described in the prophecy, verses 40-44; and its being completed in 1799 marks, according to the prophet's own words, the beginning of "the time of the end. Twelve hundred and sixty years from 539 A.D. brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of "the time of the end." This also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted." Creation (1927) 2,175,000 ed. p.293

It is amusing to see the lengthy list of inventions The Harp of God used as proof that the 1800's was the time of the end; cream separators, fireless cookers, Darkest Africa, shoe-sewing machines, the telegraph, the telephone, the great increase in knowledge and vacuum cleaners. The locomotive, where people could travel at a rate of 100 miles an hour and the 'flying machine, which is a very modern invention' were considered fulfilment of the 'day of God's preparation' spoken of in Nahum 2:1-6.

"The running to and fro of people is without question a fulfilment of the prophecy testifying to the "time of the end". These physical facts can not be disputed and are sufficient to convince any reasonable mind that we have been in "the time of the end" since 1799."

Then as now, the Watchtower resorted to insult, with Rutherford indicating above that a person is not of "reasonable mind" if they do not believe the time of the end started in 1799. Today, a Witness that does not believe 1914 was the start of the end is labelled "the Antichrist" and disfellowshipped.

Mr Op, you seem to be hell bent on discredit what you dont understaand. The above history you Copy pasted only contradicted your statement.

Yes i dont believe Jesus reign began in 1914, it doesnt state that the world would end in that year.

Read and understand before you paste. Truthfully there might be errors in their faith but not what you highlighted.

Biko, delete your posts

teeo: Mr Op, you seem to be hell bent on discredit what you dont understaand. The above history you Copy pasted only contradicted your statement.

Yes i dont believe Jesus reign began in 1914, it doesnt state that the world would end in that year.

Read and understand before you paste. Truthfully there might be errors in their faith but not what you highlighted.

Biko, delete your posts

Delete ke? U no well.The link is too long else I would have pasted everything here

Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies

by Matt Slick

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower,  Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).

1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).

1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).

1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).

1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).

1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).

1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).

1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).

1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).

1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).

1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible"

I'll be back to take time and read this

ATMC: I'll be back to take time and read this

Dont waste ur time its all gibberish

JWs are the undisputed king of false prophecies

teeo:
Biko, delete your posts

chukwudi44:
Delete ke? U no well.The link is too long else I would have pasted everything here

Lol! i can see chukwudi is on a revenge mission.

Zikkyy:



Lol! i can see chukwudi is on a revenge mission.

He is actually going about it the wrong way. Looks kind of childish too me. Get better points Mr Chukwudi alias stingy to God

While I disagree with the JWs on a number of issues, they tend to get a quite a few doctrines correct, while Pagan institutions like the catholic church are wrong on almost every count.

teeo:

He is actually going about it the wrong way. Looks kind of childish too me. Get better points Mr Chukwudi alias stingy to God

Stingy ke!! Because I don't beleieve in your tithing scam.Go back to that thread and answer my kweshions

frosbel: While I disagree with the JWs on a number of issues, they tend to get a quite a few doctrines correct, while Pagan institutions like the catholic church are wrong on almost every count.

Good talk

teeo:

Good talk

Bunch of hypocrites!!!

@op CHUKWUDI44

They had propesied they would would end in 1914.ijawkid,truthislight et al come and defend your faith.

Extracts from the link are given below

Changed Dates :: Failed Predictions

This section covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For the more important dates see the pages on 1914, 1925, 1975. Many of the following quotes are from the Watchtower Society's Studies in the Scriptures Series. Scanned copies of these books can be downloaded for free from jehovah.net.au/books.html.




"He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them." Luke 21:8

At John 16:13 Jesus said he would provide his followers Holy Spirit to correctly understand what the future holds;

"However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide YOU into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to YOU the things coming."

Moses warned against those that make predictions in the name of Jehovah that do not come true;

"And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak..." Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The Watchtower says that the standard by which to judge a false messenger is whether their messages "come true"?

"Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers." Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8

Ironic, considering the Watchtower specifically said the end would come in 1914 and then 1925. The following section contains over 20 other "messages" promoted by the Watchtower for decades that turned out not to be "true". What does this prove about them as messengers?

Whereas doctrine is subjective and un-provable, time prophecy leaves no room for error. On a number of occasions the Watchtower put a line in the sand when saying a specific event was going to happen on a specific date. When those dates passed without event those statements proved beyond argument to be false. When something predicted to happen does not occur there is irrefutable evidence that Jehovah did not direct the interpretation. In line with the Scriptures above, the following incorrect dates prove the Watchtower Society is not guided by Jehovah.

In 1876, Russell became interested in time prophecy, after reading a copy of Barbour's publication Herald of the Morning. The end had not come in 1874, as the Adventists had predicted. However, Barbour explained that Matthew 24:27 meant Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874, the rapture would be 1878, and the end of the world was to occur in 1914. (see Watch Tower, 1906 July 15 for a detailed account.)

In Russell's doctrinal chronology the most important dates were 1874 and 1914:

"The chapter in SCRIPTURE STUDIES, Vol. II, showing the parallels between the Jewish and Christian Dispensations, makes prominent four dates, viz., (1) October, 1874; (2) April, 1878; (3) October, 1881, and (4) October, 1914;" Watch Tower 1911 June 15 p.190

"The careful student will have observed that the period designated 'The Time of the End' is very appropriately named, since not only does the Gospel age close in it, but in it, also, all prophesies relating to the close of this age terminate, reaching their fulfillments. The same class of readers will have noticed, too, the special importance of the last 40 of these 115 years (1874-1914), called 'The End' or 'Harvest.'" Studies in the Scriptures Series III - Thy Kingdom Come p.121



The above timeline shows Russell's concept that the Second Coming of Jesus was 1874, and the start of the 1000 year earthly reign was 1914, as it was to end in 2914 A.D.



For Rutherford the important dates were:

"WE HAVE no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925." Watchtower 1922 May 15 p.147



Other significant dates the Watchtower no longer refer to are;

1799 A.D. - The beginning of the Last Days.

539 A.D. - Thought to be the start of Catholic Papal rule and the start point of many prophetic interpretations.

Of these above dates only 1914 is still considered significant, and even then, mostly for different reasons than originally prescribed. Though part of Watchtower lore for 60 years, most current Jehovah's Witnesses are unaware of their significance and that each one failed to eventuate as predicted.

Each time the Watchtower has predicted an occurrence, it has not eventuated as foretold, a 100% failure rate. Does this inspire confidence in Watchtower interpretation? Jehovah's Witnesses promoted these falsehoods in the past, and continue to zealously advocate current doctrine as unfailing truths.

It is claimed that Jesus found a cleansed Slave Class dispensing truthful food in 1919. However, Rutherford continued to promote Russell's interpretation of the dates for the 1700's, 1800's and 1914 until the 1930's. Many of the date prophecies were re-explained between 1930 and 1932; the remainder were adjusted in 1943. Rutherford even dismissed the majority of his own 1900's predictions.

Chapter 10 of Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom is devoted to the subject "Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth". This discusses that truth is progressive, yet makes little reference to the failed dates. Relegated to a footnote on page 133 is the statement that;

"A clearer understanding of Biblical chronology was published in 1943, in the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free" and it was then refined the following year in the book "The Kingdom Is at Hand," as well as in later publications.

Scant mention is made of the incredible list of dates that had been abandoned. Nor does it clarify that it was not until 1943 that the beginning of Christ's presence was specifically changed from the year 1874 to 1914. This change was in The Truth Shall Make You Free, released in the time of Knorr and the first book to be printed that did not list the author's name. This was after the death of Rutherford and well after 1919 when Jesus inspection supposedly found a spiritually cleansed Organization.

One can imagine that over time most of the current doctrine describing events of the 1900's will eventually be seen to be of little relevance and relegated to the forgotten annals of Watchtower history. It is yet to be seen what will become of 1914; being the most significant doctrine it will be the most difficult to eradicate without overwhelming consequences.

1780

May 19, 1780 was the date for the first sign of the last days, "The Dark Day." Certain Adventists still hold to this date. It was said by Ellen that "Since the time of Moses no period of darkness of equal density, extent, and duration, has ever been recorded." (Great Controversy, p. 308) This was touched on in Studies in the Scriptures Series 4 (1897) p.604;

"Reckoning a hundred years from 1780, the date of the first sign, the limit would reach to 1880; and, to our understanding, every item predicted had begun to be fulfilled at that date"

The time of darkness, the first sign of the end, was caused by fires in New England and was confined mostly to the North-Eastern part of the United States. Quite typically a new religion will think their country is predicted in prophecy. The Adventists, Mormons and Watchtower Society all began as US centric religions.

1798

"And, perhaps we can answer: the "time, times, and a-half," ended in 1798, at the taking away of the papal dominion, and is one of the great landmarks of prophecy." Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.158

The 1260 days in Revelation 12:7 were said to extend from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. and marked by the end of Papal rule. In 1889, Russell changed the last days from 1798 to 1799, based on a new understanding that papal rule started in 539 A.D.

1799

"THE "Time of the End," a period of one hundred and fifteen (115) years, from A.D. 1799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures. "The Day of His Preparation" is another name given to the same period " Studies in the Scriptures Series 3 Thy Kingdom Come p.23

Few Witnesses today are aware of the relevance of the year 1799, that this year is pivotal to the very existence of Jehovah's Witnesses. 1799 was the beginning of 'the time of the end'. This concept started the era of enlightenment and Adventist movement of the 1800's, resulting in Russell's end time belief system.

In 1796, George Bell explained that the Pope was the Antichrist and would fall in 1797. The war that started shortly afterwards along with Napoleon debasing the Pope was seen as evidence of the fulfilment of this. So dramatic was the effect of the apparent fulfilment of this prophecy that it started a general belief that the last days had started and led to the Adventist movement as a whole. The reasoning was related to Daniel's prophecy of the King of the North and prophecies of the 1260 days in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:7 and 11:1-3.

Studies in the Scriptures Series II and Zion's Watch Tower 1889 discussed this as relating to the 1799 date.

Catholic Papal rule started in 539 A.D. and was said to have ended 1260 years later in 1799, thus starting the beginning of the time of the end. The prophecy of the 1355 days was similarly calculated to extend from 539 A.D. to 1874, another key date in Russell's understanding of the end times. Although Russell did not get involved in the Adventist movement until the 1870's, he accepted this date as truth and felt that God had chosen him as his mouthpiece to preach the urgency of the times.

This reasoning was still held well after the 1919.

"Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, ... and being completed in 1799, marks, according to the Prophet's own words, the beginning of the "time of the end."... "The time of the end" embraces a period from 1799 A.D., as above indicated to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah." The Harp ofGod (1921) pp.228,229,236

"The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Watchtower 1922 Mar 1 p.73

"Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, finished it, and then returned to France on October 1, 1799. The campaign is briefly, yet graphically described in the prophecy, verses 40-44; and its being completed in 1799 marks, according to the prophet's own words, the beginning of "the time of the end. Twelve hundred and sixty years from 539 A.D. brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of "the time of the end." This also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted." Creation (1927) 2,175,000 ed. p.293

It is amusing to see the lengthy list of inventions The Harp of God used as proof that the 1800's was the time of the end; cream separators, fireless cookers, Darkest Africa, shoe-sewing machines, the telegraph, the telephone, the great increase in knowledge and vacuum cleaners. The locomotive, where people could travel at a rate of 100 miles an hour and the 'flying machine, which is a very modern invention' were considered fulfilment of the 'day of God's preparation' spoken of in Nahum 2:1-6.

"The running to and fro of people is without question a fulfilment of the prophecy testifying to the "time of the end". These physical facts can not be disputed and are sufficient to convince any reasonable mind that we have been in "the time of the end" since 1799."

Then as now, the Watchtower resorted to insult, with Rutherford indicating above that a person is not of "reasonable mind" if they do not believe the time of the end started in 1799. Today, a Witness that does not believe 1914 was the start of the end is labelled "the Antichrist" and disfellowshipped.

UNFORTUNATELY, ALL OF ABOVE ARE ARE WITHOUT EVIDENCES, NO PROOFS AS IT IS NOW! DO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU ACCUSE SOMEONE,YOU MUST ALSO PROVIDE (FULL EVIDENCES) TO PROVE YOUR CASE, NOT JUST COPYING FROM ANOTHER SITE, CAN YOU SUPPLY A SCANNED COPIES OF THEIR MAGAZINES THAT YOU REFFERED TO? ONLY IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED ALSO REFFERED YOU TO UNKNOWN MAGAZINES,FOR EXAMPLE;IN YOUR CLAIM("The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Watchtower 1922 Mar 1 p.73) LET US SEE THE TRUE COPY OR SCANNED, SO AS TO BELIEVE YOUR CLAIM.
WE NEED TO HAVE A LINK TO EITHER A SCANNED COPY OF THOSE MAGAZINES OR TRUE COPY ONLINE THAT DISPLAYS THE PARAGRAPHS AS IT WERE, WHERE THE FALSE PROPHECIES YOU CLAIM ARE ACTUALLY FOUND.

DO JEHOVAH WITNESSES PROPHECY?

lets see what a calamity 'prophecy' in the bible looks like, there are three ingredients it must contain;
1, The prophecy must be relayed through vision, or revelation to a person who convey the message to the one concerned. watchtower never claim to receive any vision whatsoever concerning the endtime,but it was jesus who declare an end to come, but the 'day and hour' nobody knows, so jesus carries the burden of the claim of 'who prophecied endtime' in the first place.
2,A prophecy (of a calamity) must be specific to a day or count to a particular day of a month of a particular year. no evidence has been brought forward that indicate a particular date that jws 'fix' like 29/8/2012......

see an example of a ''prophecy of destruction'' here again, i have cited it before,
jonah 3:1-3,
1 Then the Lord spoke to Jonah a second time: 2 “Get up and go to the great city of Nineveh, and deliver the message I have given you.”

NOTE ABOVE THAT JONAH HAS RECEIVE A 'REVELATION' AND WAS TO GO AND DELIVER IT JUST THE WAY IT WAS REVEALED TO HIM;

3 This time Jonah obeyed the Lord’s command and went to Nineveh, a city so large that it took three days to see it all.[a] 4 On the day Jonah entered the city, he shouted to the crowds: [size=14pt]“Forty days from now Nineveh will be destroyed!”[/size]

FOURTY DAYS WILL BE A MONTH AND FEW DAYS IN NISSAN CALLENDAR! THE PEOPLE CAN COUNT FROM THE 'HOUR' OF THE 'DAY' THEY HEARD THE MESSAGE WHICH WILL BE A PARTICULAR HOUR OF THE 41ST DAY, HAD IT BEEN WE KNEW THE DATE JONAH WAS SAYING THIS OF WHICH THE PEOPLE OF NINEVEH CAN SPECIFY THAN US NOW.

SO, THE ENTIRE NOTION THAT WATCHTOWER PROPHECIED IS COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED. THERE WAS NO INGREDIENTS LIKE WHAT A PROPHECY SHOULD LOOK LIKE, THE INGREDIENTS THAT ARE TO BE SATISFIED IS THE 'DAY' AND 'HOUR', ACCUSERS MUST COMMIT JWS TO DAY AND HOUR AGAINST JESUS CLAIM THAT ''NOBODY KNOWS THE DAY AND HOUR''

TO BE FAIR TO JWS, NOBODY HAS COME OUT WITH A 'FIX DAY OF 24HRS IN A MONTH OF 30DAYS' TO NAIL THEM EXCEPT WHAT CAN BE TERMED AS EMPTY INSULTS THAT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.

Go to the link I provided you would see more evidences than you had ever hoped.Besides these false prophecies are common knowlege.

I must not miss this movie, all my jehovah witness friends are in soup, i am going to roast them for this one.

@op CHUKWUDI

SCAN OR COPY ONE OF THE MAGAZINE,AND PASTE SHOWING THE FULL PARAGRAPHS,ONE THAT CAN STAND AS A PROOF IN A COURT OF LAW, PICK A WHOLE PAGE IN THAT MAGAZINE AND PASTE.

Do you read those contained in the list? they are lifted sentences from a paragraphs, but unfortunately they could not lift the particular 'day' and 'hour' together, so i demand for a scanned copy so as to confirm,and also see wheather there is a fix date of a day in a month in particular year that jws actually says that the world would end. that will go against jesus word that the day and hour,nobody knows, then i will say that JWS did oversabi in that, but failure to do that, means that they are following what jesus says to be 'alert' at events with the happenings prophesied in luke 10:31 '' if you see all these happening,know that the kingdom of God is here''.

Kindly go to the link I provided. I am typing from my phone.

@chukwudi

ARE YOU READY? ITS SEEMS YOU DONT KNOW WHAT SUBSTANTIAL PROOFS ARE,

unfortunately,the alledged link does not contain just one full page of what is reffered to as a whole magazine,and you have not done your home work to get just one of those magazine,but rather the link contain join-join sentences that are weak and unsubstancial to be presented as a proof in a trial in court, they are lifted sentences from a paragraphs, but unfortunately they could not also lift the particular 'day' and 'hour' together, so i demand for a scanned copy so as to confirm,and also see wheather there is a fix date of a day in a month in particular year that jws actually says that the world would end. can you again quote a full page or just 5 paragraphs in one page of one of the numerous magazines alledged?

Chukwudi pls leave dem alone

Ubenedictus: Chukwudi pls leave dem alone

Let me expose their hypocritical asses

chukwudi44:

Let me expose their hypocritical asses

You remind me of my little nephew.....

I can see how much it really hurts when you are dealt with scripturally.....

UBE has always bEen the mature person(catholic) I discuss with on this forum.....

You are just one silly nagging juvenile.....

Instead of you standing up to and for your beliefs right down to the end,you thought you were been attacked........and because you saw no way out(you were been hit by scriptural missiles) you decided to put up this post to disgrace yourself......

You think going to the internet to copy rubbish and paste here is how to discuss??.....

That is why TEEO told you to delete the post...its rubbish......I was just watching and smiling,seeing how infantile you have become...........

Which protestant organisation would you attack next since you are so butt hurt??.......OLUMBA??....lol.....

JW's aren't prophets,they are watchful bible students(all prophecies have been written in the scriptures)....................right till this moment we still watch how world events corroborates with yet to be fulfilled bible prophecies to know where we are in the stream of time......if you guys aren't watching na ona sabi..........

ijawkid:

You remind me of my little nephew.....

I can see how much it really hurts when you are dealt with scripturally.....

UBE has always bEen the mature person(catholic) I discuss with on this forum.....

You are just one silly nagging juvenile.....

Instead of you standing up to and for your beliefs right down to the end,you thought you were been attacked........and because you saw no way out(you were been hit by scriptural missiles) you decided to put up this post to disgrace yourself......

You think going to the internet to copy rubbish and paste here is how to discuss??.....

That is why TEEO told you to delete the post...its rubbish......I was just watching and smiling,seeing how infantile you have become...........

Which protestant organisation would you attack next since you are so butt hurt??.......OLUMBA??....lol.....

JW's aren't prophets,they are watchful bible students(all prophecies have been written in the scriptures)....................right till this moment we still watch how world events corroborates with yet to be fulfilled bible prophecies to know where we are in the stream of time......if you guys aren't watching na ona sabi..........

You must be a very big fool!! Is this your rebuttal to the link I provided? Obviously you have no rebutal to make.

When anti-catholic threads spring up people are mature but if it is anti-jw or anyother protestant sect it becomes childish and juvenile pranks!! Bunch of hypocrites

chukwudi44:

You must be a very big fool!! Is this your rebuttal to the link I provided? Obviously you have no rebutal to make.

When anti-catholic threads spring up people are mature but if it is anti-jw or anyother protestant sect it becomes childish and juvenile pranks!! Bunch of hypocrites

I don't think you even understand what you pasted....do you??....

I've got rebuttals,but it will be a waste on a child like you who can't handle scriptural truths..........

Someone who still doesn't know that bowing to marys image is wrong.......you hÀve to grow up spiritually......

ijawkid:

I don't think you even understand what you pasted....do you??....

I've got rebuttals,but it will be a waste on a child like you who can't handle scriptural truths..........

Someone who still doesn't know that bowing to marys image is wrong.......you hÀve to grow up spiritually......

For someone like you who cannot even comprehend a simple english bible passage.I ll regard this as a complement

chukwudi44:

For someone like you who cannot even comprehend a simple english bible passage.I ll regard this as a complement

Lol....

We still haven't finished that discussion on praying for the dead.........

It seems you ran away.........

It because of your kind that many engage in voodoo seeking to communicate with dead.....thinking that they are being stored up in a prison........it is because of your kind that many has turned atheists.....

If you want we can go back and continue our discussion...you got so hurt that you had to put up this OP that you yourself do not understand.....

ijawkid:

Lol....

We still haven't finished that discussion on praying for the dead.........

It seems you ran away.........

It because of your kind that many engage in voodoo seeking to communicate with dead.....thinking that they are being stored up in a prison........it is because of your kind that many has turned atheists.....

If you want we can go back and continue our discussion...you got so hurt that you had to put up this OP that you yourself do not understand.....

y bring up d previous matter...
I must tell you dt humans are designed to defend their belief but i have three questions for you, y is it dt d jehova witness are not encouraged to use other study materials and bible translations to study d bible but dt their study guide? And y are you jehova witness, does your bible not teach dt you be witnesses to jesus? Y are you not so particular about d name jesus but jehova? does your bible not teach dt god gave jesus d name at d mention of which every knee in heaven and on earth bows and d bible teaches dt god is in heaven so is he going to bow too, of course no! Cos in jesus he dwells. I suggest you try studying d bible on your own without d handcool, u'll marvel at your discovery

ATMC: y bring up d previous matter...
I must tell you dt humans are designed to defend their belief but i have three questions for you, y is it dt d jehova witness are not encouraged to use other study materials and bible translations to study d bible but dt their study guide? And y are you jehova witness, does your bible not teach dt you be witnesses to jesus? Y are you not so particular about d name jesus but jehova? does your bible not teach dt god gave jesus d name at d mention of which every knee in heaven and on earth bows and d bible teaches dt god is in heaven so is he going to bow too, of course no! Cos in jesus he dwells. I suggest you try studying d bible on your own without d handcool, u'll marvel at your discovery

We use othe bible translations....

Infact through out my stay here on nairaland I've never quoted from the NWT........

I've used all translations except the NWT to make salient points on this forum....
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We revere Jesus and we preach about Him......he is our master.....we bow to his name.....but we will never shove his Father aside.....we recognize that Jesus has a superior...we recognize Jesus has a God and Father over Him...

Yahweh will be over everything(with Jesus included) when Jesus hands over the kingdom to him.....JW's will always put Yahweh in first place and Jesus in 2nd place.....

Sorry if that bothers you,but its the truth......

Jesus spoke about his Father and the doing of his will through out his stay on earth.......


The reason why we are christians is because by following Christs perfect foot steps we can be reconciled to Yahweh,the Father and God of all.....

Thank you....