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Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by tpia1: 5:12pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
blacks are a minority in the US though. they're more concentrated in certain areas, but not everywhere. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Horus(m): 5:27pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
tpia1: blacks are a minority in the US though. Yes we all know that fact, but did you understand the point I was trying to make about the purcentage of blacks in Brazil, Colombia and USA? |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 5:54pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
tpia1: i've met a few nubians (i think) and i really wouldnt call them black, per se. Can you buttress the points made here with relevant sources? 1 Like |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 5:56pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
Nubians are proud black people - you need to visit Southern Egypt and Sudan to know more about them... 3 Likes |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Clemzy16(m): 6:12pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
Soon they'll disown his nationality when he blow-off a u.s embassy. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 6:56pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
eGuerrilla: says who maybe you say it. today in Nigeria, nothing works well. then entire system is cr.ap. infrastructure, poverty, etc. EVERYTHING! therefore why should tribal purity be excluded. my referance to tribal poverty is in the case of an ideal Nigeria. tribal purity is ingraine in our core values. people in Nigeria dont respect culture, dont repect religion, have little value for duty, so that is their problem. the African problem is different from the akata problem. our relationship broke the very day these Akatas stopped being African, lost their tribes, intermarried with natives whites and each other. we had a relationship with their ancestors who left Africa but not with their descendants. we are different people now. what has this arab conquest got anything to do with akatas you are going off-topic. what victim? let the deal with their own problems? do they deal with the problems of my Hasua people so why should i bloody care what goes on there?! and plz open up your mind! have you noticed the high levels of racism spewing out of the usa. dont you see this akatas always use N-word in their songs or they always are raising the issue of black black black. it gets annoying. anyone who is brown is instantly classified as black and kin to this useless akata! Mr. Hefny is a Nubian brown-skinned man. he is just trying to be a wannabe and fit in with the akata populace as an american-African. ok it is fine for him to say that hi is brown coloured and not white. as i proved in my recent other thread, the americans are ignorants. but what infuriated me most is when he is claiming some supposed "black heritage black pride and some strong black identity". what does this mean. what has skin colour got to do with being proud or "Strong" identity. The Nubian people where employed as warriors and archers in the Egyptian army. they built great monuments and temples and Empires in SOuthern Egypt , Dangala, Meroe, etc. they achieved a lot in different fields. but not because they were black-skinned! NO! IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE NUBIANS! skin colour has nothing to with achievements, etc. so what nonsense black heritage, black pride and black identity is he talking about "" i have come to the conclusion that the only reason he is doing this is because apart from wanting to assimilate and identify with the akata populace he wants the "extra benifits"awarded to AAs in america. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:06pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
76Naira: I know Nubians and have worked with them more than you have. Nubians are proud of their identity but not once have i encountered such racist views from them and them callng themselves blacks. they call themselves Nubian first and foremost. i find the term "black" derrogatoy because i am brown skinned NOT black. also i hate it when people call me by my skin colour. maybe akatas like to call themselves that but i dont like it. if you see somone with a big head, will you call him "big-headed man, come here! " in the same way , i have an ETHNICITY. i have an IDENTITY! so call me HAUSA. not anything based on my physical features and that too wrongly (im brown not black). theres no such thing as "Äfricas earliest black culture " . TO HELL WITH YOUR RACISM! and you dont need to relate to me the history of Nuba. i know it very well. its splendour and magnificence. but YOU have no claim over it. just because you share similar skin colour, it doesnt mean you have any connection with their achievements. so stop bragging! if you want to brag, go brag about your own culture, not someone elses. and then lay false claim over it. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:12pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
Revolva: @pagan9ja i mentioned Paganism in connection with the Tribes. plz go read what i posted. i am not going off topic. it was just some details i added for tribal classification. i dont mind Hefny fighting for his skin colour, but i dont like him trying to exxagerate about some make-believe black heritage or black pride. it does not make sense. what is there to be proud about skin colour. if there is anything, he should e talking about NUBIAN PRIDE! it is his ethnicity that achieved many things in this world, not his skin colour. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:20pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
[size=16pt] Nubian heritage, Nubian pride and strong Nubian identity.[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:21pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
ROSSIKE: shut up. dont teach me history. i know way more than you. i have Nubian friends and they look Dark Brown, NOT BLACK. you need to go test your eyes. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:23pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
shymexx: Nubians are proud black people - you need to visit Southern Egypt and Sudan to know more about them... I can assure you that they are not proud to be black. how can someone be proud of their skin colour. Nubians credit their achievements to their Nubian ancestors willpower and capabilities, not to their skin colour. no Nubian i know ever talks about the superiority of his/her skin colour to other skin colours. only akatas and americans/europeans do that. you dont find Chinese talking about the superiority of their yellow skin. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 8:16pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
First off, let me make it clear that because I find your continued use of the word ‘Akata’ reprehensible, I am only responding to your post for the benefit of other readers. PAGAN 9JA: Did I not explain to you sometime ago that an ethnic group is actually a superset of tribes? The Yoruba are made up of about 23 sub-groups which use eight distinct versions (dialects) of Yoruba languages that are not entirely mutually intelligible; the Ndigbo have 17 sub-groups, while even the Hausa comprise of Magorawa, Djibalawa, Bageyawa, Tarimawa, etc. Granted I have chosen only threee examples here, but please explain to me how you plan to isolate tribal purity in this make up? people in Nigeria dont respect culture, dont repect religion, have little value for duty, so that is their problem. We are in agreement here. Although I am not sure how it advances your argument. the African problem is different from the akata problem. our relationship broke the very day these Akatas stopped being African, lost their tribes, intermarried with natives whites and each other. we had a relationship with their ancestors who left Africa but not with their descendants. You see just the differences. I see differences as well as similarities! A crash course in dialectics might do you a world of good. what has this arab conquest got anything to do with akatas I mentioned the Arab conquest to debunk your earlier claim about the absence of racism in Africa. Dig? what victim? let the deal with their own problems? do they deal with the problems of my Hasua people so why should i bloody care what goes on there?! If your world view is limited to the Hausa people, this is fine. But while at it, be honest and desist from making unsubstantiated claims sourced from a fountain of parochialism. and plz open up your mind! have you noticed the high levels of racism spewing out of the usa. dont you see this akatas always use N-word in their songs or they always are raising the issue of black black black. it gets annoying. anyone who is brown is instantly classified as black and kin to this useless akata! So? Since Black people are not the progenitors of racism, I really don't know where you get off with this assertion. Why don't you direct your ire towards the government agency responsible for the racial stratification that bothers you so much: Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity Mr. Hefny is a Nubian brown-skinned man. he is just trying to be a wannabe and fit in with the akata populace as an american-African. ok it is fine for him to say that hi is brown coloured and not white. as i proved in my recent other thread, the americans are ignorants. but what infuriated me most is when he is claiming some supposed "black heritage black pride and some strong black identity". what does this mean. what has skin colour got to do with being proud or "Strong" identity. Talk about crying more than the bereaved. As the Black consciousness movement which Dr Hefny identifies with does not rank skin tone on a sliding scale, I suppose you have a real dilemna @Pagan? The Nubian people where employed as warriors and archers in the Egyptian army. they built great monuments and temples and Empires in SOuthern Egypt , Dangala, Meroe, etc. they achieved a lot in different fields. but not because they were black-skinned! NO! IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE NUBIANS! skin colour has nothing to with achievements, etc. so what nonsense black heritage, black pride and black identity is he talking about "" Since he's already articulated his reasons in a clear and lucid manner, the emboldened portion of you post is, at best, conjecture! 2 Likes |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:37pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
Did I not explain to you sometime ago that an ethnic group is actually a superset of tribes? I refer to these "tribes"that you speak of as "sub-tribes"and these "ëthnic groups" as tribes. when i speak of tribal purity, i mean the purity of the wider ethnic group, like Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo, Twa, TIv, Jukun, etc., not the subtribes: Bunjawa, Kebbawa, etc. the sub-tribes all share a common link and together form the major tribe. the sub-tribes in general do tend to intermarry since they share common identity and blood. therefore it is this major tribe, the keeper of the identity, culture, religion and heritage of these people, that needs to stay majorly pure as it has been the case for millenia. We are in agreement here. Although I am not sure how it advances your argument. this was in response to your saying that tribal purity is an anachronism in today's Nigeria. i say that it is not. it is just that all forms of system in Nigeria are failing today, so it is the same case with tribal structure. therefore it is our duty to save any form of system in our country from malfunction. I mentioned the Arab conquest to debunk your earlier claim about the absence of racism in Africa. Dig? are Arabs indigenes of the African continent So? Since Black people are not the progenitors of racism, I really don't know where you get off with this assertion. i agree that the blacks didnt begin racism (ofcourse), but why are these blacks/akatas continuing racist trends in the US As the Black consciousness movement which Dr Hefny identifies with does not rank skin tone on a sliding scale, I suppose you have a real dilemna @Pagan? blank conciousness sound like a religious / brainwashing movement! Since he's already articulated his reasons in a clear and lucid manner, the emboldened portion of you post is, at best, conjecture! it is not conjecture. He says that he’s been denied promotions after demanding that he be recognized as a black man. He could not get a teaching position at Wayne State University because the job called for a minority. Hefny said. “However, the legal demand of my racial classification of ‘white’ prevents me from receiving benefits established for black people.” he basically wants to take advantage of the minority quota reservations. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 9:53pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: You sound myopic with your rants all over the thread... You're Hausa and you have direct ancestry with Nubians because you speak an Afro-Asiatic language(Semitic)... The remnants of Nubians living in Sudan and Southern Egypt(Northern Egypt on the ancient map) are proud of their black skin and they know they're related to other black people in Africa... You need to visit Egypt and sail on River Nile - to know where their loyalty lies... They know their history and they know darn well that they're not related to the Arabs... Just let them be, ok? 2 Likes |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:55pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
shymexx: [size=16pt]F_U_C_K OFF !!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST SUCH A THING YOU STU.PID SLAVE ISRAELI HIPPIE WORSHIPPER ! GET LOST! I AM HAUSA DESCENDANT OF BANZA BAKWAI OF HAUSALAND![/size] those Nubians might be descended from me , for all i care. We are not Semitic. we are Chadic Sahelian . i have been to the Nile, Aswan , etc. beautiful places but not as beautiful as my homeland. i know they are not arabs nor are they related to us Hausa. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 10:06pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: Bwahahahahahaha Your people are an off-shoot of the Nubians - take it, or leave it... And you're an Afro-asiatic black man! However, you should be ashamed of being Hausa - the same Hausa cowards who were soundly defeated by the Fulani Jihadists and subsequently enslaved(to date)... Hausas lost their culture and identity to the Fulanis smh.... |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by 76Naira(m): 10:18pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: I was going to reply to your comment and discovered you are actually rude to most people here. Now, I feel sorry for your bitter soul! What determines offense is sometimes context and not primarily the word. I guess if I call you a brown skinned man, you will also find a way to feel offended. Are you Arab then? 1 Like |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:26pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
shymexx: I am Maguzawa Hausa. we still retain every bit of our ancient culture and religious traditions. we never accepted slavery from anyone. we ractice our religion in the epicentre of boko haram region. I am 100% Proud to be Hausa. you retar.d have no idea of what actually happened. we fought back but as in any war , 1 side always has to lose. the Fulani won this time, though they did lose a few battles against us here and there. SO DONT CALL US COWARDS IF YOU DONT KNOW OUR HISTORY! useless offshoot of colonial slave masters that is what you are. go worship your hippie man-God. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:29pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
76Naira: i was offensive to this person because he dared to bring my tribe in between for no reason whatsoever and to insult our ancestry and heritage by calling us subsidery to another culture. OFcourse i would take offense. infact i would think you are mental to be so obsessed with my skin colour. it is like you have a fetish for my skin! I am Chadic Sahelian. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by 76Naira(m): 10:43pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: You may claim to be anything you like, but for sure you do not sound like the graceful Nubians I met in Khartoum. You are actually very far away in character. Goodbye and enjoy the chat room. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 10:59pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: Your people were soundly defeated by the Fulanis and it's still the most one-sided battle ever fought because they ran over you lot like the Nazis did the French... And they still lord over the Hausas to date(Emirs etc..)... I'm utterly ashamed of the formerly great Hausa tribe and their achievements before the Fulani invasion - your ancestors built great civilisations reminiscent of the great kingdoms of: Mali, Songhay, Ghana, and Nubia.... Hausas are a direct off-shoot of the Nubians and you both fall under the same linguistic group(Afro-asiatic/semitic)... I'm an Asiatic black man(original man) and I don't worship no blonde-hair having god, I worship the God of the black race... |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by tpia1: 11:50pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
The term black in america encompasses much more than colour. Its used for the people who are direct descendants of subsaharan africa and many of who were transported via the atlantic slave trade to the western hemisphere. Someone whose ancestors werent enslaved in this manner, might not necessarily qualify to fit that description even though his skin tone matches that of the negro. Meaning if your ancestors werent slaves, it doesnt follow that you're automatically black just because you come from africa. You're african, yes, but black is a bit debatable. However, anyone can be black if they feel like it, just splitting hairs here. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by tpia1: 11:53pm On Nov 19, 2012 |
Besides, quite a lot of blacks are mixed with one thing or another ( melting pot) and i doubt nubians are exactly the same. They seem to have preserved their heritage quite well, unless there's arab or bedoiun in there somewhere. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 12:12am On Nov 20, 2012 |
tpia1: The term black in america encompasses much more than colour. It would have made more sense if you had limited yourself to the topic of this discussion. But since you have chosen to venture off track yet again, without providing any relevant references, let me help. The yr 2000 US population census was derived using the racial categories outlined (further) below. Now without breaking sweat, do you see how erroneous your assumptions are? Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 Census of Population, Public Law 94-171 Redistricting Data File. Updated every 10 years.Source |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by tpia1: 12:19am On Nov 20, 2012 |
What's your point or is it question. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 12:34am On Nov 20, 2012 |
tpia1: What's your point or is it question. My point is that you appear to be making matter-of-fact statements without providing useful references. Whereas most commentators on this thread have taken a stand one way or the other, you simply appear to be going round in circles making contradictory statements in every post. "I've met a few nubians (i think) and i really wouldnt call them black, per se." |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by tpia1: 12:58am On Nov 20, 2012 |
My post is clear enough. You're the one trying to force everything into black and white. Its not always that clearcut. 1 Like |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Horus(m): 1:01am On Nov 20, 2012 |
Nubian Woman Nubian Woman Meroe (Sudan) Meroe in Shendi – (Sudan) is an ancient Nubian city that dates as far back as 300 B.C. The ancient city’s most prominent landmarks are some two hundred pyramids still standing within the city. Kingdom of Kush or Cush was an ancient African state centered on the confluences of the Blue Nile, White Nile and River Atbara in what is now the Republic of Sudan. It was one of the earliest civilizations to develop in the Nile River Valley. Having also been referred to as Nubia Meroë ancient Nubian city of the Kingdom of Kush [img]http://swaymag.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Nubia_pyramids-of-Meroe.jpg[/img] Nubian Pyramids (Meroe) [img]http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/kilele/1159207550/1/tumblr_l92rv732pv1qdcass[/img] Nubian Pyramids (Meroe) 2 Likes |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 1:09am On Nov 20, 2012 |
tpia1: My post is clear enough. It is a load of waffle and you know it! What is more, like the other cantankerous fellow here you are no respecter of peoples' rights. I say this because there is little doubt that you see anything wrong with trampling on Dr Hefney's wishes. I put up information on the categories used in the US census, to demonstrate that the concept of race is supposed to be based on self-identification - at least in theory. With this in mind, I had half-expected you to ponder some of the reasons this man was denied his inalienable right. It is now obvious, though, that I had expected too much from someone who clearly treats the issue of racial identity with levity. 2 Likes |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by MrsChima(f): 9:20pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Hmm. |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 2:55pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
Horus: Copied |
Re: Black Man Is Forced To Be Classified As White In The United States by Nobody: 2:58pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Interesting picture lol |
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