i lived in the states and roll backs are common there too, the vast majority are done there. our dealers here switch out parts and stuff like that, only very few do roll backs.

Siena:

I agree. It's just one the many pointers to the fact, lots of posters don't read through previous responses, because they're simply lazy. Typing "VIN check" into Google or similar will bring up various answers.

It's nice to render help when it's needed, but those that ask certain questions need to help themselves too, by exhausting as many avenues as possible, before asking. Or by using the "search" function. If they've got a question to ask, it's very likely the same question has been asked AND answered at least 30 times. Often those that give helpful responses have to search online too, just to help a brother or sister out. Something they themselves can do, without waiting to be spoonfed.

Often if a question's directed at me, and I don't answer on time, I get accused of being "ignorant." There's actually one such query on here right now, where the poster feels I haven't responded "on time."



Annoying!

Siena nor Vex. BIKO

It could be very insultive when you buy a 15 year old car with odo reading of over 200miles and someone takes you to a dealer shop in Nigeria to show you 10 similar cars with reading of less than a 100.

well ur text was in response to an insultive poster victorD3 as a respected member of the forum it will be of a tremendous help if such characters are not encouraged by you. Much Respect

Re: Ridiculous Mileage Of Tokunbo Vehicles by victorD3: 9:48am On Nov 26
anishe: What is VIN check and how do u get it done in Naija?


VIN check is examining your brain by a Doctor

You should ask the kid that kept asking the meaning of VIN despite several definitions and advice.[b][/b]

Siena:

If you call what I posted insultive, then you've a lot of work to do with regards basic comprehension. Please highlight any portion of my post that you deem insultive.

Rather than quote a whole block of text, yet say nothing.

Buyer want low mileage but can't pay for it forgetting the lower the miles the higher the price. This give room for dealers to roll back mileage. Mileage doesn't determine the efficiency of a car which some buyers don't know. Average mileage for every car should be within 15,000 miles per year. Multiply 15,000 by number of years the car was produced till the current year,that gives you the average mileage. Though in some cases,very rear cases, a 15 years old Car can have mileage less than 80,000 miles. So both parties should be blame for odometer roll-back

Is done everywhere in the world
http://www.obdobd2.com/tacho-pro-u2008-plus-unlock-tacho-universal-dash-programming-tool_p264.html $250

Same way 90% of Ferrari's seem to have done 1500 miles a year

people VIN checks and paperwork are your friends, I remember many years ago looking at a car in the UK and the MOT (annual test certificate) mileage figures went something like 60,000, 80,000, 70,000 and finally 40,000, I almost punched teh dealer for being so stupid, I mean if you clock a car surely you throw away any conflicting documentation

From all these, it may be concluded that one should be careful in making mileage an important issue especially if the car is being bought around this side of the world where anything goes without fear of punishment.
How important should I then hold mileage when I set out to buy a used car?

pannyman: A colleague at the office recently bought a '97 Camry with a mileage of about 73,000 miles. I got really curious and went to this site, http://www.toyota.com/owners/web/pages/home to check it out. The last bit of maintenance that was recorded was in 2009 and at the time the mileage was 206,000 miles! When I showed it to my guy he was shocked and told me that the person who sold the car to him was a trusted friend.

Well, we don't know whether his friend had a hand in the rollback or not. Anybody can crosscheck the maintenance records of a Toyota car they wish to buy from the US or from a Nigerian dealer who imported a car from the US via this link: http://www.toyota.com/owners/web/pages/home. Just register using any address and enter a US city with matching zip code.

Even VIN records can be forged, trust me. I have done quite a bit of research on this matter.

Just had a shocking revelation!!!regarding the wbsite u gave above and autocheck!!! :ojust checked a vin and discovered conflicting results!!! Autocheck reported 21000 miles last odometer reading and ur website above reported over 204000miles last odometer reading for the same car, 03corolla!!! Dates last reported are april12. Wat is d meaning of all these!!!

elite:
Just had a shocking revelation!!!regarding the wbsite u gave above and autocheck!!! :ojust checked a vin and discovered conflicting results!!! Autocheck reported 21000 miles last odometer reading and ur website above reported over 204000miles last odometer reading for the same car, 03corolla!!! Dates last reported are april12. Wat is d meaning of all these!!!

Yes o. I don't trust all those Autocheck and Carfax reports any more. A friend whom I introduced to a highly respected dealer here on Nairaland bought a car after the Carfax report was presented together with pictures of the "clean car". Although the car had not had any issues, when I discovered the website I just did a check only to discover that more than a year before the car was sold to her its odometer read higher than what was stated in the carfax report and on the odometer when it landed in Nigeria.

The dealer was probably deceived too by his American-based partners.

By the way, I also discovered a link for Lexus owners and hope to post it here soon.

Ex company cars or Police cars do have very high mileage doesnt mean its not in good condition.

So does dat mean miliage roll back has no effect or does any damage or wat so ever to a vehicle pls I need to know tanks guys

yemosla: So does dat mean miliage roll back has no effect or does any damage or wat so ever to a vehicle pls I need to know tanks guys

What it does is, it presents to you a car that is pretending to be what it is not. Considering the fact that @ particular mileages, certain service requirements are meant to be carried out on a vehicle.
Parts in vehicles wear and tear, so a false representation of a vehicle, denies you the key facts you need to know.

vanminister: 419ners are rare in the west. so trust the mileage you see.

do you have problem with that//??

Clocking is also carried out in the west. Do not trust the mileage you see!!!!!

Lexusgs430:

Clocking is also carried out in the west. Do not trust the mileage you see!!!!!

Yes, you are right my dear brother. An example below

AutoCheck Vehicle History Report
2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE
Report Run Date: 2012-12-29 12:47:31.864 EST
Report Summary


Class: Mid Range Car - Standard
Engine: 2.4L I4 SFI
Country of Assembly: United States
Vehicle Age: 7 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 2
VIN: 4T1BE32K25U408599
Year : 2005
Make : Toyota
Model: Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE
Style/Body: Sedan 4D
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AccidentCheck
Reported accidents: 2

Title and ProblemCheck
Your vehicle checks out!

OdometerCheck
Odometer discrepancy(ies) reported
Last Reported Odometer: 17,588

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Specific vehicle use(s) or events reported
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Information Reported! AutoCheck shows accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K25U408599). Below you will find the date and location reported for the accident. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.

Accidents Reported on This Vehicle
Accident No. Reported Date Location
1 10/02/2009 SOUTHERN PINES, NC
2 02/15/2012 NY
Reported accidents or damage events are a result of vehicle collisions or other non-collision incidents such as vandalism or theft. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.


Title and ProblemCheck
Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck's database for this 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K25U408599) shows no negative titles or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents that can affect vehicle safety and value.

0 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
No salvage title or salvage auction record
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record

OdometerCheck
Problem Reported! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K25U408599) and an indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.

1 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
86 10/07/2004
16,215 05/19/2005
16,365 07/12/2005
16,367 08/30/2005
16,474 01/11/2006
28,277 06/05/2006
49,772 06/11/2007
86,240 05/29/2008
117,035 06/10/2009
129,532 12/31/2009
140,051 12/30/2010
170,586 02/23/2012
170,586 02/27/2012
17,588 02/28/2012 Possible Odometer Rollback/Rollover

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K25U408599). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.

1 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
Fleet, rental and/or lease use record(s)
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
3 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
2 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
Emission/safety inspection record(s)
Loan/Lien record(s)
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.

Report Run Date: 2012-12-29 12:47:31.864 EST

Vehicle: 2005 Toyota Camry Base / LE / SE / XLE (4T1BE32K25U408599)

Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
08/27/2004 PEMBROKE, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL (Leased Vehicle)
08/30/2004 NC

Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
10/07/2004 NC
86
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:770520042813356) (Lien Reported)
05/19/2005 SOUTHERN PINES, NC
16,215
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
07/12/2005 SOUTHEASTERN REGION
16,365
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
08/30/2005 SOUTHEASTERN REGION
16,367
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
01/11/2006 WEST END, NC
16,474
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:774634060117047) (Lien Reported)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/05/2006 SOUTHERN PINES, NC
28,277
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
06/17/2006 SOUTHERN PINES, NC

Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
01/19/2007 WEST END, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/11/2007 WEST END, NC
49,772
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
01/14/2008 WEST END, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
05/29/2008 SOUTHERN PINES, NC
86,240
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
12/31/2008 WEST END, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/10/2009 SOUTHERN PINES, NC
117,035
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
10/02/2009 SOUTHERN PINES, NC

State Agency RIGHT FRONT IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE
SLIGHT DAMAGE REPORTED
12/31/2009 WEST END, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/31/2009 WEST END, NC
129,532
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
12/30/2010 WEST END, NC

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/30/2010 WEST END, NC
140,051
Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
02/15/2012 NY

Accident Source MINOR ACCIDENT OR VEHICLE DAMAGE REPORTED: REAR CENTER
02/23/2012 SOUTHEASTERN REGION
170,586
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
02/27/2012 SOUTHEASTERN REGION
170,586
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE
02/28/2012 SOUTHEASTERN REGION
17,588
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
03/05/2012 FL

Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION AS DEALER VEHICLE

Lexusgs430:

Clocking is also carried out in the west. Do not trust the mileage you see!!!!!

yemosla: So does dat mean miliage roll back has no effect or does any damage or wat so ever to a vehicle pls I need to know tanks guys

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I will prefer a high mileage Car so far the seller disclose it than low mileage Car with many informations hidden. Majority of Nigerians believe high mileage Cars are not good to drive and prefer buying low mileage Car which give room for dealers to roll-back mileage. Another Example below with the roll-back done in the west. [/size]


AutoCheck Vehicle History Report
2008 Honda Accord EX-L
Report Run Date: 2012-12-04 16:05:15.014 EST
Report Summary


Class: Mid Range Car - Standard
Engine: 3.5L V6 MPI
Country of Assembly: United States
Vehicle Age: 4 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 1
VIN: 1HGCP36858A007654
Year : 2008
Make : Honda
Model: Accord EX-L
Style/Body: Sedan 4D
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AccidentCheck
Reported accidents: 0

Title and ProblemCheck
Your vehicle checks out!

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out!
Last Reported Odometer: 201,214

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Specific vehicle use(s) or events reported
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Your vehicle checks out! There have been no accidents reported to AutoCheck for this 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (1HGCP36858A007654). AutoCheck receives its accident data from government sources and independent agencies, and based on the information available to us, we have found that no accidents have been reported on this vehicle. Not all accidents or damage events are reported to AutoCheck.


Title and ProblemCheck
Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck's database for this 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (1HGCP36858A007654) shows no negative titles or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents that can affect vehicle safety and value.

0 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
No salvage title or salvage auction record
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame/unibody damage record
No recycling facility record

OdometerCheck
Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (1HGCP36858A007654) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.

0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
3 11/09/2007
201,214 08/20/2012
201,214 08/31/2012
201,214 10/01/2012

Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (1HGCP36858A007654). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.

2 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
Fleet, rental and/or lease use record(s)
Taxi use record(s)
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
2 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
No accident record reported through accident data sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
No emission/safety inspection record
Loan/Lien record(s)
No fire damage incident record
Repossessed record(s)
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record
Full History
Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.

Report Run Date: 2012-12-04 16:05:15.014 EST

Vehicle: 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (1HGCP36858A007654)

Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
10/03/2007 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/09/2007 WHITE PLAINS, NY
3
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Lien Reported)
11/09/2007 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. TAXI USE
06/17/2009 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
03/04/2010 VALHALLA, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
TAXI USE
03/08/2010 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
TAXI USE
01/12/2011 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
TAXI USE
01/26/2012 WHITE PLAINS, NY

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
TAXI USE
08/20/2012 NY
201,214
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
08/31/2012 VA
201,214
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
REPOSSESSED
10/01/2012 NY
201,214 miles
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE

Possible Odometer Rollback

@calculusx - Thanks for the examples you have sited, both vehicles show a roll back of over 250,000, WOW
Hopefully our people will learn that buying a high mileage car is better than buying a low mileage deceit !!!
As always VIN CHECK is important to judge timescale and lapses.

yemosla: So does dat mean miliage roll back has no effect or does any damage or wat so ever to a vehicle pls I need to know tanks guys

Read through the examples cited by calculusx above, study the vin check report + check the odometer reading on the dashboard and compare with the report of the zebra looking accord, that thinks it's a foal, and decide if buying rolled back mileage vehicle, is good for your pocket or not!!!

It's thread like this, that should make it to the front page maybe slightly better worded, not like the nonsense that has no educational value that gets posted to the front page!!!

When buying automobiles witha very low miles, be aware that if you getting a very good deal that's a red flag, but there are ways of detecting if its the actual miles, simply by inspecting the driver seats, stering wheel and lots more..

A

Blame it on the buyers. They don't want to pay for a clean title car. There was this post on auto section about a 2005 Honda accord ex priced at 1.7m. Lots of people were commenting that its too expensive that the dealer is a thief. I mean 1.7m is a good price for a clean title low mileage 2005 accord ex, but buyers will say its too expensive because other dealers who import accidented cars with rolled back odometer sell for 1.5m. Buyers will go to those dealers and buy, and then come back here to complain that the car is giving problem. So what do u guys expect the honest dealers to do... Honest dealers are suffering while dubious ones are the ones making money. My advice is if a dealer wants to buy a car, they should go online and check the price of those cars in the states which are clean titles, convert it to naira, add shipping and clearing, then add the profit. This would give them the average price of the car. It is impossible to buy a 2001 Toyota Camry xle title with less than 100k miles for 1.1m.. But then ask the buyers, they will tell u the price is 1.1m or less.

Ngr business is never straight forward.

Siena:

I agree. It's just one the many pointers to the fact, lots of posters don't read through previous responses, because they're simply lazy. Typing "VIN check" into Google or similar will bring up various answers.

It's nice to render help when it's needed, but those that ask certain questions need to help themselves too, by exhausting as many avenues as possible, before asking. Or by using the "search" function. If they've got a question to ask, it's very likely the same question has been asked AND answered at least 30 times. Often those that give helpful responses have to search online too, just to help a brother or sister out. Something they themselves can do, without waiting to be spoonfed.

Often if a question's directed at me, and I don't answer on time, I get accused of being "ignorant." There's actually one such query on here right now, where the poster feels I haven't responded "on time."

Annoying!

master when ur workshop dey come naija na. we are fed up with poorly-trained naija mechanics. Do you have anyone you can recommend here in lagos?

forgive us for being ignorant.

victorD3:



VIN check is examining your brain by a Doctor

Indeed

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