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On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 8:56pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
This evening, while thumbing through my copy of a modern bible I came across the following in the book of Mark chapter 16; Verses 9 - 20 are not included in two of the best and oldest Greek copies of Mark. Basically, this means that scholarly opinion is that verses 9 - 20 were interpolated (made up) much later by copy-ists or scribes. It is very likely that early believers questioned the sudden and abrupt ending of the pre-interpolated version and decided to fix it by added their own stuff. Now, should we consider verses 9 - 20 as inspired? ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 How Is Salvation Achieved? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.html Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg1942137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 ==================================================================================================== |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by 4Him(m): 9:06pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
therationa: You claimed that you made your discovery of the missing verses of Mark "while thumbing through my copy of a modern bible" . . . That indicates that you have read and clearly remember almost all verses in the two of the best and oldest Greek copies of Mark for you to have realised they were missing from your copy of a modern bible which is basically impossible. this points to one thing - you are basically copying these "questions" from other sources while dressing them as your own. Now back to your questions . . . several of the manuscripts that make of the bible were written on parchments many of whom were already partially destroyed before they were found. HOWEVER . . . the early writers were smart enough to have left several copies of their books so that in case one was destroyed there was always one to fall back on. For example . . . 18 copies of the book of Isaiah alone was found among the dead sea scrolls found in the cave of Qumran. Suppose a scholar just took one of those scrolls ignoring the other 17, any missing portion of that scroll automatically gets labelled as never having existed by hypocrites like you. If another scholar reconstructed the missing parts from the other 17 copies . . . would u assume that those missing parts were fixed by the early christians? |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 9:40pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
4Him: What do you mean I am a liar? I copied those words from the bible on the desk right now, although I had known about them being classed as interpolation for about a year. (Robert Ingersoll discussed this in one of his speeches in the 19 century but was not confirmed until the 20 century with the discovery of older manuscipts). I personally did not do the comparisons, nor would I have been able to as I am not a Greek scholar. So I cannot have been lying as I copied those words verbatim from my bible. Can you prove that I did not get them from my bible? BTW, it matters little whether I got it from the internet. If I got it from a website, I would have put the link there. I was simply writing from memory and from what caught my eye this evening in the book of Mark. The fact still stands that these verses are known by the majority of NT scholars to be interpolations. I did not claim to be the discoverer of this fact. So you accusations on my character are groundless. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by Gamine(f): 11:32pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
With eyes so blind How did I see a single thing? I missed the scenery Change in front of me And as for these hands Well they've got a lot to answer for They built me a house of sand On someone else's land Deep down I knew I was lost But I kept my fingers crossed As if that would somehow rescue me How did I sleep? How did I sleep? How did I sleep without You? Without You Tired all the time But there is no rest for the wicked Under the covers I pretended not to cry And there You were: Magnified by the tears Reaching Your hands to me Waiting patiently I never dared to dream Of the morning my eyes have seen Awake for the first time: rise and shine |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by Nobody: 11:59pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
Gamine: This girl,na so so love love like your poem. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 12:41am On Feb 15, 2008 |
4HIM, You have not retracted your accusation of liar. I think this is unacceptable behaviour. Why did you call me a liar? |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by 4Him(m): 12:48am On Feb 15, 2008 |
I have extracted it and hereby tender unreserved appologies. Can we pls move on to the meat of this topic pls? |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 12:55am On Feb 15, 2008 |
4Him: 4HIM, many thanks and apologies graciously accepted. As to the meat of the topic, what I was trying to convey was that we should not really take every single word in the Book at face value. Some of these text have a lot of problems with them, which are not widely known by the general public. Now, you may dispute that, but you will have to go dispute that with the scholar who work with these material daily. Right here on my desk, I have copy a copy of one of such persons and I read about this all the time. In fact my local library (Manchester University) contains the earliest known version of the manuscript of John (I think it is called P52) and I use to go past it when I used to attend the library regularly. So I have been interested in this kind of stuff for some time. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 12:58am On Feb 15, 2008 |
4HIM In fact, I have just googled P52 and found it as belonging to my local library (John Ryland University of Manchester University) |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by olabowale(m): 1:50am On Feb 15, 2008 |
@Nwando: This girl,na so so love loveBut gamine is offtrack. Just like John macCain is offtrack; And I am not a dem. lol. I want my boy barack to squash every one of them; her in the primary and him, in the general. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by Nobody: 1:52am On Feb 15, 2008 |
olabs,do you do valentine? which one gets the night? senior of junior Iyawo? |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by 4Him(m): 2:01am On Feb 15, 2008 |
therationa: spare me therationa, all these over the position of a comma? The early bible writers where not linguistic neither did they have the luxury of microsoft word with its spell check facility. Pls mistakes are bound to occur. It is incredible how low pple can get to discredit the bible. You've had 29 threads to do that and u have failed miserably to anyone that we shld take all these "errors" seriously. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by therationa(m): 11:01am On Feb 15, 2008 |
4Him: 4HIM, You do not understand the meaning of the word [b]comma [/b]as used in my other thread in Johannine Comma. It does not mean a punctuation sign check the meaning out yourself. |
Re: On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 by oaroloye(m): 12:31pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
SOMEBODY TOLD YOU that MARK 16:9-20 were not originally in The Bible, AND YOU BELIEVED THEM? |
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