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Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 7:38pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
wiegraf: Ze Big B.ang |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 7:41pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
Lol. Wiegraf this tells nothing of the collocation 'big bang'. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 8:14pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
So let's see, it's a popular science book, and he uses the word 'eruption'. That does not mean explosion btw, at all. www.google.com/m?q=eruption+definition+&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new 1. An act or instance of erupting 2. A sudden outpouring of a particular substance from somewhere Erupt: www.google.com/search?client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new&redir_esc=&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=erupt+definition+ 1. (of a volcano) Become active and eject lava, ash, and gases 2. Be ejected from an active volcano And I'm still uncomfortable with the word, but it would do, just for the layman though. I'm guessing you're going to run off into lalalala land with even just that, so let's look at another excerpt from the same man: brian greene: Expansion, all the big ba.ng is about. No explosion, no need whatsoever to assume one. And note here 'b.ang' is not even supposed mean an explosion, it's just the word he uses to substitute for whatever process caused the expansion. For whatever released the restraints on all that energy that had been packed together, very unlikely an explosion. So, in essence, he's saying the energy might have come from nothing and there never were any restraints, even if unlikely. With that, we're done here brah, I've wasted enough time on this. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 8:17pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
Reyginus: Lol. Wiegraf this tells nothing of the collocation 'big bang'. Yes, and koala bears are literally bears. That quote wasn't really for your benefit (I lied). In your case, the delusion is far too strong lol |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 8:38pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
wiegraf: So, in essence, he's saying the energy might have come from nothing and there never were any restraints, even if unlikely. .First things first. Brian Greene is nobody to know better. As expected, his claim is different from the theory I know. To call the slam a process is an intellectual nonsense. Their is no correlation, whether literally or metaphorically. Hubble knew exactly what he meant when he proposed the theory. How does bang translate to process? Haba! Another blunder. If he's saying the energy come from nothing as you proposed, I'm sorry to say, he is a dimwit. Seems you've forgotten so fast that, 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed'. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 8:39pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
wiegraf:lolol. Why do you have to lie? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 9:23pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
Reyginus: First things first. Brian Greene is nobody to know better. As expected, his claim is different from the theory I know. To call the slam a process is an intellectual nonsense. Their is no correlation, whether literally or metaphorically. Hubble knew exactly what he meant when he proposed the theory. How does bang translate to process? Haba! You've forgotten something from nothing so quickly? Trust me, brian greene knows a lot more than those you sourced. At the very least, his reputation is much more solid. But we get to the most salient bit of this post: you don't know what the big b.ang is. Add that to the fact you don't understand how science works, and I can the problems |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 9:29pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
wiegraf:Lol. What kind of something will be in nothing, when the idea of nothing here is to be non-existent? Lol. In what way does a b.ang equal to a process? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 9:41pm On Dec 26, 2012 |
Reyginus: Lol. What kind of something will be in nothing, when the idea of nothing here is to be non-existent? We've done the first bit already In what ways are evolution or general relativity processes? *smh* |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 8:37am On Dec 27, 2012 |
wiegraf:Lol. This question is clueless. The thing is, evolution and relativity are not wrongly used as you claimed with the big bang. The words point to changes and relativism. Apply it to the big ban.g. Has their ever being any theory, whose meaning cannot be drawn from how it is termed? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 9:22am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Reyginus: Lol. This question is clueless. The thing is, evolution and relativity are not wrongly used as you claimed with the big bang. The words point to changes and relativism. Apply it to the big ban.g. Has their ever being any theory, whose meaning cannot be drawn from how it is termed? Erm, so, evolution and gr cannot be called processes? You do realize that was what that response was for, yes? Regardless, let's examine our latest strawmen. Are you sure science didn't introduce the words into english lexicon? The word 'evolution' comes from a latin word which means unrolling. Hmm. In most cases one wouldn't say evolution is about unrolling, yes? Quanta comes from a word that means 'how much'. Interesting, it seems to say nothing about small sizes. Regardless of origin of words, I'm not sure how one would know gr is related to gravity without being explicitly told so, or do you? And big ban.g doesn't say anything about the processes involved of course, as most people do not associate violent expansions with explosions. Just as you seemingly were not able to deduce the expansion from the term, even if you erroneously attributed it to an explosion (btw, I hope you can spot sarcasm) You are wasting time with this particularly silly nonsense. You've been shown evidence EVERWHERE that it does not say anything about explosions. Science does NOT make unfounded claims then pass them up as fact. Therefore it would not add explosions to the BB THEORY (note the word theory, indicating a framework, you know, like other scientific theories) when there is no reason whatsoever to add one. Shikena. Thank you though for demonstrating the difference between the scientific method and the religious approach. Science doesn't draw conclusions then attempt to make nature conform to them, it does the opposite. No evidence (even logical), then no explosion. You want to add explosions, suit yourself. I suppose you should add god as well if it makes you happier. But non of these requirements are scientific in any shape or form, they are unfounded claims made by your subjective bias. They have absolutely nothing to do with the evidence, logical or empirical. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 10:00am On Dec 27, 2012 |
wiegraf:You are not getting it. Before anything can be termed a process, their must be a concord with its etymology and what it seeks to explain. That synergy is evidently lacking, if we are to follow your explanation. You don't have to look at it like that. To be accurate, the syllables in the word are seperated from each other. Then individually, before later co-joining to get the meaning. In 'evolution', we have a poly-syllabic word, 4 syllables precisely. But if you are observant, you would see 'evolve' as the root meaning. 'tion', 'the state of'. Now to the latin side. 'Unrolling' in the connotative sense, is to have different phases of a particular thing. Because a thing rolling is not stagnant, it moves. The circular motion it creates while moving indicates it is happening within an entity. Their is a connection. Quanta, is not about how much? Really? SMH. Can we say the same of the 'big b.ang'? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 10:17am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Reyginus: You are not getting it. Before anything can be termed a process, their must be a concord with its etymology and what it seeks to explain. That synergy is evidently lacking, if we are to follow your explanation. Like how you deduced from the term that an expansion is involved? Or how you are cognizant of the fact that your interpretion of those words is subjective, like the bolded indicates. And this has naught to do with this actually, as term is a *drum rolls please*............ Misnomer! Suddenly you trust scientists to not make mistakes. Incredible. I thought your initial argument is they make unfounded claims and therefore cannot be trusted. Most unfounded claims look like mistakes or accidents to me. You've changed your mind so soon? To suit your needs maybe? But this is no mistake actually, I've told you how the term originated. Simple google of the question, "was the big b.ang an explosion?", no need to even add expansion to the search, then please tell me what 90+% of the credible results say. Especially the ones not dumbed down. For instance, look at the peer reviewed scholarly articles (all of those clearly state expansion)... Na wa. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 10:31am On Dec 27, 2012 |
wiegraf:The expansion is the effect. That's how. Lol. There are two ways any word can be interpreted. It is either denotative or connotative. Anything short of this, like you're doing with the 'big bang', is not acceptable. I didn't say scientists don't make mistakes, but that the words 'big bang' couldn't have been mistaken. Just like calling a thing rock, but describing water. Are we not done with google? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 10:38am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Reyginus: The expansion is the effect. That's how. Lol. There are two ways any word can be interpreted. It is either denotative or connotative. Anything short of this, like you're doing with the 'big bang', is not acceptable. No. What sort of ignorance are you encouraging now? Kai, na wa ohhh, lwkmd |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Kay17: 10:49am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Reyginus: The expansion is the effect. That's how. Lol. There are two ways any word can be interpreted. It is either denotative or connotative. Anything short of this, like you're doing with the 'big bang', is not acceptable. Are you serious??! You believe the big Ban.g must have an explosion, because of b.ang inspite of what the proponets say?! Wiegraf went thru great lengths to explain that big ban.g was coined by a critic originall to ridicule the theory. Reg u don't have any more points. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 11:36am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Kay 17: Seriously, the amount of procastinating I've been doing recently has balooned, or expanded, again... *smh* . I guess I go work now oga... |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 4:46pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
wiegraf:so? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 4:50pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
Kay 17:What proponents are better than the theory propounder? We will have first accept that hubble was wrong inorder to accomodate the view of any proponent. Points? Haha. What is the point of making any further point if the already posing ones have not been fully understood. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Kay17: 10:35pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
Reyginus: What proponents are better than the theory propounder? We will have first accept that hubble was wrong inorder to accomodate the view of any proponent. And Hubble proposed an explosion and coined the name big ban.g?? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 1:53am On Dec 28, 2012 |
Reyginus: so? You want me to knowingly become ignorant? Wetin u dey smoke? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law You've been calling hubble the originator for a while despite naming lemaitre and freidman earlier....*smh* wiki: Expanding in regards to earth and EACH OTHER. Uniform expansion != explosion, which would have a centre.... This is pathetic bros. If you're for a name the scientific community has been trying to sell, to no avail as BB is quite catchy, try the cosmic expansion model. Here, scholarly articles on the subject http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cosmic+expansion+model&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=YurcUI_iNYid0QXxq4GAAg&ved=0CDEQgQMwAA |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 7:41am On Dec 28, 2012 |
Kay 17:Lol. And hawkings proposed an expansion on hubble's theory? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 7:44am On Dec 28, 2012 |
wiegraf:I think we are done with google. The same google you got all your links from, I got mine. I think it's time we think since google is confused. Can we? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 8:15am On Dec 28, 2012 |
Reyginus: I think we are done with google. The same google you got all your links from, I got mine. I think it's time we think since google is confused. Can we? This "think" you like to think you are capable of doing, I've done quite a few times already. I've explained in my own words over and over and over again, but you seem to have missed that. No we can't. I can't understand why you're suggesting ignorance, it borders on being silly. If all my arguments were built around google searches then you'd have grounds to complain, but that is clearly not so. You no dey tire sef. This is over more or else, and has been for some time |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 8:41am On Dec 28, 2012 |
wiegraf:You can't?! Wonders. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by wiegraf: 10:06am On Dec 28, 2012 |
Reyginus: You can't?! Wonders. No, I won't But I already have before anyways |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Kay17: 10:42am On Dec 28, 2012 |
Reyginus: Lol. And hawkings proposed an expansion on hubble's theory? I didn't say Hawkings proposed it, but that he is one of the strongest proponets of the theory. Isn't he in one of the most knowledgeable positions to talk about the theory? Where did you get your explosion idea from?? Hubble?? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 7:20pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
wiegraf:Lol. Take and rest and look for where to trap me down. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 7:23pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
Kay 17:lol. More fun. He is, but that does not make his place in the theory golden. Where did get your expansion from? Hawkings? |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Kay17: 8:58pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
That makes him very much an expert. Besides he isn't the only proponet to emphasize on the expansion. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Nobody: 9:06pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
Kay 17: That makes him very much an expert. Besides he isn't the only proponet to emphasize on the expansion.I don't care what the proponents propose. I only care about what the theory says it is. |
Re: Top 10 Reasons Science Is Another Religion by Kay17: 10:14pm On Dec 28, 2012 |
The theory is based on the strength of the proponets now. Check this http://www.science20.com/quantum_gravity/blog/big_bang_was_not_explosion_however_explosion_metaphor_what_big_bang_was-78575 |
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