dvdon: I want us to argue this topics with as much points as possible. Its a thing of attitude and personal perspective in terms of the right way of living, now if an atheist is good, I mean naturally good, do you think he can make heaven?.... I see them more likely than the satanist so pls let's share our view.

Atheist:-D:


According to Xtians ... NO

dopeJemi: HelL No




As long as dey've bin toLd about Christ n dey stilL don't wanna Listen


Dey sure r Going 2 helL n I care Less



U can't curse God

dopeJemi: HelL No




As long as dey've bin toLd about Christ n dey stilL don't wanna Listen


Dey sure r Going 2 helL n I care Less



U can't curse God

sylve11:

So u mean the muslims, budhists etc are all going to hell ni?

Red-Light:

so over 4billion people that doesnt believe in jesus are going to hell? (is jesus and ur god that wicked?)

choii.. white men did a great Job

striktlymi: Good afternoon,

God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. If God were a man, no one would make heaven.

I believe that anyone can make heaven, irrespective of what we believe or not believe or refuse to believe in. I am of the opinion that God searches the heart of men and verifies those who are actually his. I believe that God's judgement would have to do with the sincerity of one's heart.

There are those who are atheist because they know no better. They sincerely seek the truth and would turn away from Atheism if only they get some personal encounter with God. Only God knows how best to reveal himself to men. If God did not reveal himself to Abraham, I am very sure that Abraham wouldn't have become our father in faith.

God is not unjust and I do not believe that he would throw someone into hell when it is not the person's fault. We can claim that people have tried preaching to Atheist and they refuse to listen but the truth is that considering the very bad life style of some of our Christians today, it would be rather difficult for Atheist to listen to us. "I like your Christ but hate your Christians" - Mahatma.

If some of us believe that no "Atheist" would make heaven, then I ask you this question: before the gospel got to Africa and the rest of the world, are we saying that everyone before Christ went to hell? This would be a very wrong notion.

My point is that only God knows his people! Only God will judge mankind! Only God knows how best to reach the heart of every man! Only God knows those who died or would die in his grace. God is not unjust and would never sentence someone who did not have the opportunity of being a christian to hell.


Thank you!

sylve11:

Atheist:-D:


That is not Xtian doctrine. Xtrians believe only believers in Christ and followers of their faith will make it into heaven. Also, no amount of good works can change things.

Xtians sound like a deluded bunch

striktlymi:


Good afternoon,

I am a Christian and I really do not think you can speak for every Christian. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion but it does not mean that opinion is correct.


Thank you!

striktlymi:


Good afternoon,

I am a Christian and I really do not think you can speak for every Christian. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion but it does not mean that opinion is correct.


Thank you!

dopeJemi: our God is not wicked, if he was, he wudnt av sent His son 2 die 4 us, he wud av destroyed d earth n me n u wudnt be here chatting


If he was wicked, he wudnt av wanted us 2 know abt his Son(Jesus christ) Jesus is d way 2 saLvation,if u read dat mathew 24:3 to 14, u'll know, lemme quote verse 14. "And dis GospeL of d kingdom shalL be preached in alL d worLd 4 a witness unto alL nations and den shalL d End come"

My broda, God wants us 2 beLieve in His son Jesus so dat we wilL not perish in helL buh av everLasting Life in heaven


Av u ever tot abt hau d first Man came 2 life
Fink abt it and telL me if its science

dopeJemi:

Kay!

Dose dat don't beLieve in God, if dey Die 2day where do u Fink dey'lL go 2, Heaven? Never

Look, God sent his son 2 die 4 us alL on d cross. If u av a bibLe, go 2 John 3:16

D reason y jesus is yet 2 come z because d word of God has not bin preached alL over d worLd, der r sum peopLe hu doesn't know christ, God is giving dem d chance 2 know Him dahs y u see we av many pastors n preachers 2day.

Do u know dat alL dahs happening in d worLd 2day was written in d bibLe, d mark obama wanna instalL on our hands n heads Have bin predicted already in d bibLe(mathew 24:3)

Continue reading beLow

Red-Light:


u still haven't answered the question i asked..... will christian god put over 4billion people that doesnt believe in jesus into hell? just answer me and see if u are not demonizing ur jesus and god remember not all those that still believe in this same jesus are guaranteed heaven

Atheist:-D:


If i believed it was science would I make heaven with good works?

CrazyMan: They don't believe heaven exist...so I see no reason why they should make it.

Reyginus: Where does John 3:16 stand here?

striktlymi:

Good afternoon Reyginus,

I am glad that you choose to believe in God and also in his inspired word.

I do not think that any part of sacred scriptures should be looked at in isolation. One beauty about the word of God as written in sacred scriptures is that God cannot contradict himself. The part of sacred scriptures you quoted, reads thus:

"16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life."

This bit of sacred scripture is true for all time. It is true that belief in Christ is a necessity but what exactly does this mean? Is it about professing one's beliefs on the roof tops without doing what Christ demands of us? If we are to go by your argument then it would mean that children who died in their mothers womb are going to hell because they never professed a belief in God. It would also mean that every child who died before attaining the age of reasoning would be an automatic candidate for hell. But this is not the case.

Now still from the gospel of John 10:16:

"16 There are other sheep which belong to me that are not in this sheep pen. I must bring them, too; they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock with one shepherd."

Jesus made us understand that he has other sheep which are not part of his flock and the fact that they have not yet heard the masters call does not stop them from being his. Do you truly believe that this other flock Christ talked about would be sent to hell because the gospel has not gotten to them already? Like I already mentioned, only God knows those who are his. God looks at the heart and he alone knows how best to bring people to his fold.

Remember that Christ even told us that prostitutes and tax collectors (those they tagged as unbelievers) are making their way into God's kingdom. Judgement day would be very shocking indeed cause those we think are not candidates would be with God while those we believe are already in heaven would call on Christ saying: 'But Lord we preached in your name, we caste out demons in your name' but sadly Christ would say 'Away from me, for I do not know you'.

I refuse to believe that God is an unjust judge and I believe firmly that there are those who are atheist sincerely because they know no better. I believe firmly that before someone goes to hell, that person MUST merit it just like we MUST merit going to heaven. God knows how he saves the children who died in the womb; God knows how he saves the 'imbe.cile' who has no mind of his own; God knows how best to save the Atheist who through no fault of his finds himself in Atheism.


Thank you!

Atheist:-D:


Can you guarantee that you will make it to heaven? If no then it is all moot. No point laughing at me when you might not be making it too.

The difference between both of us. You believe there is a heaven but no certainty if you will be there. I know there is no heaven so do not care either way

Reyginus: Ofcourse the truth is in all, and not in a part. But don't forget that without the parts their is no whole.

Reyginus:
Seriously, you seem to be avoiding the fact. Why is it so?

Reyginus:
Let me focus on this for now.
By conparing 3:16 with dead humans in foetus, you missed it. You are neglecting the prerequisite for believing to take place. The criteria according to christ is centred on believing. The question now becomes : how do we even know what believe is to believe it? Can it occur outside the sense experience?

Reyginus:
No. Are babies in the foetus capable of sense experience? Tabula raza. Now, how in my statement would they go to hell when they lack the means to believe?

striktlymi: Good afternoon,

God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. If God were a man, no one would make heaven.

I believe that anyone can make heaven, irrespective of what we believe or not believe or refuse to believe in. I am of the opinion that God searches the heart of men and verifies those who are actually his. I believe that God's judgement would have to do with the sincerity of one's heart.

There are those who are atheist because they know no better. They sincerely seek the truth and would turn away from Atheism if only they get some personal encounter with God. Only God knows how best to reveal himself to men. If God did not reveal himself to Abraham, I am very sure that Abraham wouldn't have become our father in faith.

God is not unjust and I do not believe that he would throw someone into hell when it is not the person's fault. We can claim that people have tried preaching to Atheists and they refuse to listen but the truth is that considering the very bad life style of some of our Christians today, it would be rather difficult for Atheists to listen to us. "I like your Christ but hate your Christians" - Mahatma.

If some of us believe that no "Atheist" would make heaven, then I ask you this question: before the gospel got to Africa and the rest of the world, are we saying that everyone before Christ went to hell? This would be a very wrong notion.

My point is that only God knows his people! Only God will judge mankind! Only God knows how best to reach the heart of every man! Only God knows those who died or would die in his grace. God is not unjust and would never sentence someone who did not have the opportunity of being a christian to hell.


Thank you!

dopeJemi: My point exactLy


Buh don't u fink we shud make dem believe it exists

CrazyMan:
Its up to them to believe...from what I've seen so far on Nairaland, many of them have their minds made up.

So trying to win them over would seem almost impossible cos they would end up ridiculing you and your faith.

Let's leave them to God...hopefully be would change their hearts before its too late.