Ihedinobi: . . . . A year later, Catholic missionaries from Paris entered Japan and began evangelizing anew. Then an amazing thing happened: A small band of Japanese visited the little mission chapel at Nagasaki and caught the eye of Father, later Bishop, Petitjean, by their unusually pious demeanor. Conversing with them, he was dumbfounded to learn that they were believing Christians who had secretly managed to hold onto the essentials of the Christian faith for two centuries, although without priests and totally isolated from the outside world. Other groups of these crypto-Christians were gradually discovered scattered in the islands and mountains around Nagasaki - numbering in all some ten thousand. Their organisation was almost everywhere the same: Usually there were two male leaders who conducted the prayers every Sunday, baptized, and ministered consolation to the dying.

Mr_Anony: Wow.........the Church always thrives best in the midst of persecution!

Logicboy03: Japanese people were smart not to let this foolish foriegn religion pollute their minds.

All those missionaries were wolves in sheeps clothing

Bélla3: I ALWAYS NEW YOU WERE A HYPOCRTE! Only i never imagined it was this bad.
People were actualy matyred and murded and here you are saying they were right!
Do you even realise it wasnt only the missionaries that were killed bt also thousands of locals who chose to be believe?
Dnt they hav a right to believe?

Logicboy03:

Did I say it was right?

I dont support unnecessary murder.

Logicboy03: Japanese people were smart not to let this foolish foriegn religion pollute their minds.

All those missionaries were wolves in sheeps clothing

Bélla3: REALY? Coz what you wrote suggested otherwise.



However, the missionaries were not innocent. A better solution would have been to to round them up and send them back to where they came fromSO YOU'D GIVE YOUR BLESS IF ATHEISTS ARE BUNDLED OUTTA AFRICA? COZ AS FAR AS OUR CULTURE IS CONCERNED, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOD/god BOTH SEEN AND UNSEEN.Japanese people were smart not to let this foolish foriegn religion pollute their minds.

All those missionaries were wolves in sheeps clothing

Logicboy03:






1) The Japanese people were smart enough to know that the missionaries were not coming to do good. However, their approach to stopping them was wrong.

2) Atheism is not a religion. It is global. People can become atheists on their own. My grandma was an atheist/agnostic without even leaving her village or learning English.

3) There was no visa system then and so travel needed harsh sanctions like exile.

Bélla3: 1. Realy?
2. Your grandma was atheist? do you mean pagan?
3. So atheists should be put on first class flights? LOL.

Logicboy03:


1) You have nothing to say
2) Atheist/agnostic
3) Nonsense

Bélla3: You're the one who has nothing to say. Supporting murder(shame on you). Doing the same thing you accuse religionists of, SHAME.
ATHEISM=HYPOCRISY

Logicboy03:


1) I never supported murder. You are just ranting

2) Even if I did, that wouldnt make me an atheist hypocrite. That would only make me a bad person. Atheism has no moral codes.

Bélla3: And something that has no moral code is what you want the whole of mankind to follow? TUFIAKWA.
BTW. Evryone knws you are one profesional 'ranter' on this section is YOU.

Logicboy03:


Your ignorance is speaking.


I am not moral because I am an atheist. I am moral because I am a human being and I am a humanist.

ijawkid:

And who told you you are moral....you immoral agaracha....lol...

Logicboy03:


Your ignorance is speaking.


I am not moral because I am an atheist. I am moral because I am a human being and I am a humanist.

Bélla3: infact make i go call obadiah for you. Am sure he has a word or two for a heathen who takes pleasure in the matyr of brethren.

Enigma:

- No monarchical "bishop" or clergy; instead if we must say they had "bishops" in the true biblical sense of overseers, then again their pattern conforms with biblical expectation and that line from The Didache: "appoint for yourselves bishops".

- I think this description is comparable to (what I understand of) the China house church movement in the face of persecution.

- Should any of us meet with members of such groups, are we going to say they are not members of the true Church of Christ because they do not belong to a particular denomination or because they do not submit to the "authority" of the head of a particular denomination.

- Should members of those groups attend a service in our "denomination", are we going to refuse them Holy Communion? ****


**** Anecdote (based on true events).

Currently, a TV series is running in the UK focusing on the work of the leading Anglican church i.e. Westminster Abbey. In one episode, they mentioned and showed pictures from when the Roman Catholic pope visited the UK. The Anglicans are of course easy going generally and have no qualms about allowing visiting Roman Catholics to participate in Holy Communion in an Anglican service. A subsequent episode showed the return visit to Rome (the Vatican) by senior clergy of the Abbey and its Choir. The Choir of the Abbey and of the Vatican (St Peter's Basilica) sang together. However, both the Choir of the Abbey and even the most senior clergy of the Abbey were unable to participate in "Holy Communion" in the Roman Catholic service. Nuff said!

Mr_Anony: Wow.........the Church always thrives best in the midst of persecution!

Ihedinobi:

On point. I'd agonized quite a bit over this Church thing for quite some time before I read this.




So very true, twin bro. When the world is at home with us, we're in danger of losing our way, our prophecy, our calling.

Ihedinobi:

On point. I'd agonized quite a bit over this Church thing for quite some time before I read this.




So very true, twin bro. When the world is at home with us, we're in danger of losing our way, our prophecy, our calling.

Logicboy03:


Why are you ignoring me?

Ihedinobi:

Sorry. Hi, how've you been? Won that poster of the year thing yet?

Logicboy03:


Nope....PDP derailed me

Ihedinobi:

Ndo oo. Some years are like that.

Logicboy03:


What do you mean some years? How long have you been on this forum? I thought you came this year?

Ihedinobi:

Actually August last year but got appreciably active June this year. Regardless, I just meant that things don't always work to suit one's whims.

Logicboy03:


You could have voted for me. Infact, you can still change your vote.

You know that I deserve to win.

You asked me if I have won, you didnt ask how the election was going!

Ihedinobi:

Lol. I'm following the voting thread. I'm not commenting because I find the banter boring. But I think you're going neck and neck with Goshen.

About changing my vote, not a chance, dude

Logicboy03:
1) I never supported murder. You are just ranting

2) Even if I did, that wouldnt make me an atheist hypocrite. That would only make me a bad person. Atheism has no moral codes.