Mr. Globe:
All these moderators demanding respect from Seun pls resign too, its not by force. You earn your respect, you don't get it by cheap blackmail. You will not see the smart moderators here talking nonsense. we know you are not being paid, did anybody force you? smh.
Mischievous folks

chromoTop:
wow very interesting
subjective and biased book reviews by all the reviewers, quoting Achebe wrongly right?
welcome to Freedom's paradise.
You probably need to get a copy fast. Running out of stock.

OAM4J: Some of you are missing the points here. It is not because of what Seun wants but because of the way he went about it and the wrong impression he (may be unknownly) made about the moderators here.

Seun owns the site, he is entitled to his opinion on every matter and he can use his influence to promote his opinion. We have no problem with that.

The moderators did not nominate Achebe, the process that put him forward is open and transparent, we only collated results openly. The result does not represent the views of the moderators. So if Seun has a problem with the process or the result, all he needed to have done was to send us a message and we will respect his wishes, inform the public of it and carry them out.

When we got a memo that Afam was not qualified to stand for election as a poster of the year, Jarus fought for 2 days to let it slide but for superior arguments of not laying bad precedence, we disqualified him, got attacked and insulted. We didnt mind.

But for Seun to open this thread and make it look like the moderators did wrong, is not only unfair and leaving a bad taste, but he also created a bad atmosphere for us to continue to work as moderators, cos he just reignforced the wrong opinion of those who think we are biased with the way we moderate. That is unacceptable.

ekt_bear:

So before people vote on who wins the NL Hall of Shame, nairalanders a whole should also vote to see if the nominee is legitimate?

Not if there's so much noise about a certain nominee, isn't that how cases are done in CA?

What is the point of that roundabout process? Why not have people just vote once, rather than twice? Nobody does the roundabout procedure you are suggesting anywhere in the world.

You look at it as "round about", but in the real sense of it, that's how it's done. The DNC candidates are voted by the inner caucus who make the party. After then the DNC will select individuals who go out to the ordinary primaries where they campaign, supporters will vote for their lovely candidate, after that, then the general election.... Right or wrong, isn't that how it's done? Even in awards, isn't that how it's done?

Look, anybody should be qualified to be nominated, so long as they meet the qualifications.

I have no issues with who should be qualified to be nominated. What I said was, there's no democratic rules "as yall claim" in place

Do you also suggest this strange procedure for ALL elections on Nairaland? Or just this particular one for hall of shame?

I only corrected an opinion that it was "DEMOCRATIC", which is why I stated that IT WASN'T. At least, the democratic system I'm exposed to for so damn long, this is not how it's done.

Using your suggestion, then so long as a candidate has 50%+ of Nairalanders who support him, he won't be nominated. I'm guessing that GEJ wouldn't have made it last year, for example.

No, unless there's an overwhelming 3/4 of ballot of support or objections, that takes majority. In votes, it's 3/4 or some figure past 65% or something. If less than that, the candidate is DROPPED.

See, this is the whole r3tarded thing about Seun's argument, that a majority of people support Achebe.

Seun has his opinions and reasons, I cannot speak on behalf of his, although I'd say that there was an overwhelming support that should have halted certain procedures.


Fine, let's say that 60% of Nairalanders and Nigerians support him. But that 40% strongly oppose him.

At least, for the spirit of democracy you claim, exercise it first. When proposition 8 was fought all the way to SCOTUS, the opponents kept winning all the way.

If he has the highest "strongly oppose" # of all of the candidates, and all others are below 40%, then isn't it logical for Achebe to win the hall of shame?

I dodn't know how you plot your own system, my issue isn't the result, but the process is highly flawed

How can one use the people who LIKE a person to determine who wins hall of shame? It makes zero sense.

ekt_bear:

So before people vote on who wins the NL Hall of Shame, nairalanders a whole should also vote to see if the nominee is legitimate?

What is the point of that roundabout process? Why not have people just vote once, rather than twice? Nobody does the roundabout procedure you are suggesting anywhere in the world.

Look, anybody should be qualified to be nominated, so long as they meet the qualifications.

Do you also suggest this strange procedure for ALL elections on Nairaland? Or just this particular one for hall of shame?



Using your suggestion, then so long as a candidate has 50%+ of Nairalanders who support him, he won't be nominated. I'm guessing that GEJ wouldn't have made it last year, for example.

See, this is the whole r3tarded thing about Seun's argument, that a majority of people support Achebe.

Fine, let's say that 60% of Nairalanders and Nigerians support him. But that 40% strongly oppose him.

If he has the highest "strongly oppose" # of all of the candidates, and all others are below 40%, then isn't it logical for Achebe to win the hall of shame?

How can one use the people who LIKE a person to determine who wins hall of shame? It makes zero sense.

manny4life:


Why complain? Have you been lost all this while not to see the overwhelming majority that were against it? Even Mr. Billionaire (one of those I respect their opinions), spoke about it. Some even started several threads, in the complaint section, people were against it and here you are claiming in your first paragraph like a saint. Please, let's leave all this "DEMOCRATIC BULLSH.IT".
Now your voice got stronger to annul the result? quite effective to influence the result than the voting process? right? If you had got to the voting process and cast your vote against the motion, majority should have won. wouldn't it?

I'm glad I did not participate in such bigotry, everyone talks about democratic but have thorough understand or exposure how other democratic systems work. When NL decides to do it, they should do it right.

A year ago is not the same date as today, neither is last week or last month same as today. People's perception, opinions, ideas and what have you revolve and change depending on different circumstance. That is why there's check and balances in the democratic process to checkmate these things "just in case", the faves becomes the worst, others can still express their opinions and views.
well that is actually true, very well suited, that is why people who have voted Achebe into fame chose to vote him into shame. Aiint nothing wrong with the process man! I would vote him in a year ago as the most honorable man living. same as i will vote him today as a shame act. lexis don't work it.

I may like someone today, and be enemies with them tomorrow, should that alter how I'll deal with them in the future? YES, it will because we've changed.

babapupa:

Very well said, but logic and common sense is something he knows nothing about especially when his argument is a reflection of the same devisive and hate book he's defending.

Process matters only when its in their favor. Dude is a despicable hypocrite.


lol @ roundabout process.

Jarus: To me, the matter is not one of Achebe or not. I personally respect Achebe and I never even dabbled into the whole debate. When people nominated Achebe, there was nothing I could do to it, even though I silently didn't want his name on the list. But I checked the rules, none was broken. So there was nothing I could do.have

Now, Seun, as the capitalist owner of Nairaland has every right to make a business case for the exclusion of Achebe. He could have sent us an email that 'gentlemen, the acceptance of Achebe nomination will not augur well for Nairaland. Please strike out his name from that list' . Even though I won't take that automatically and would argue with him that bending the rule also diminishes the whole exercise and similar ones, it will be easier for us to come to agreement and perhaps remove his name or cancel the exercise altogether for this year.

But coming open with such disrespectful posts, without consulting us in our usual channel of communication, is unacceptable to me. It is disrespectful. Even my employer won't do that to me, not to talk of this purely voluntary thing.

This is actually not he first time Seun rebukes his mods in public. I won't take that.

The only condition that can warrant my return is for him to apologise.

Else, he should take his job and give the Afams and PointBs, who're already lobbying.

berem: Please where can i get the book in lagos before it goes out of stock? I no fit buy the pirated copy courtesy of Alaba boys.

babapupa:

Very well said, but logic and common sense is something he knows nothing about especially when his argument is a reflection of the same devisive and hate book he's defending.

Process matters only when its in their favor. Dude is a despicable hypocrite.


lol @ roundabout process.

Prof Corruption: Seun does not have the capacity to make an independent, unbiased, unemotional factually and logically sound decision. It tells a lot about Nigeria start ups. Many exist as a result of accident of luck not as a product of sound and cerebral judgement.

I am out.

ijebabe: Another reason to avoid this section. Some of you lot are just capital fools!

I hope Jarus and OAM4J will reconsider because they are one of the best moderators Nairaland has. No one is perfect but they do a very good job.

*Unfollows thread*

free37:

Nobody will miss you.

berem: Whoa! Its high time i entered the kitchen to start frying my already steamed chicken make nairaland no carry all my time today.am wishing you all a merry xmas! Cheers!

Jarus: To me, the matter is not one of Achebe or not. I personally respect Achebe and I never even dabbled into the whole debate. When people nominated Achebe, there was nothing I could do to it, even though I silently didn't want his name on the list. But I checked the rules, none was broken. So there was nothing I could do.have

Now, Seun, as the capitalist owner of Nairaland has every right to make a business case for the exclusion of Achebe. He could have sent us an email that 'gentlemen, the acceptance of Achebe nomination will not augur well for Nairaland. Please strike out his name from that list' . Even though I won't take that automatically and would argue with him that bending the rule also diminishes the whole exercise and similar ones, it will be easier for us to come to agreement and perhaps remove his name or cancel the exercise altogether for this year.

But coming open with such disrespectful posts, without consulting us in our usual channel of communication, is unacceptable to me. It is disrespectful. Even my employer won't do that to me, not to talk of this purely voluntary thing.


This is actually not he first time Seun rebukes his mods in public. I won't take that.

The only condition that can warrant my return is for him to apologise.

Else, he should take his job and give the Afams and PointBs, who're already lobbying.

Prof Corruption:

Dude, I am not leaving Nairaland. I am addicted to it same way I am addicted to Nneka.
But I am out of this thread, it stinks. It turns logic upside down.

Prof Corruption:

Dude, I am not leaving Nairaland. I am addicted to it same way I am addicted to Nneka.
But I am out of this thread, it stinks. It turns logic upside down.

OAM4J: Some of you are missing the points here. It is not because of what Seun wants but because of the way he went about it and the wrong impression he (may be unknownly) made about the moderators here.

Seun owns the site, he is entitled to his opinion on every matter and he can use his influence to promote his opinion. We have no problem with that.

The moderators did not nominate Achebe, the process that put him forward is open and transparent, we only collated results openly. The result does not represent the views of the moderators. So if Seun has a problem with the process or the result, all he needed to have done was to send us a message and we will respect his wishes, inform the public of it and carry them out.

When we got a memo that Afam was not qualified to stand for election as a poster of the year, Jarus fought for 2 days to let it slide but for superior arguments of not laying bad precedence, we disqualified him, got attacked and insulted. We didnt mind.

But for Seun to open this thread and make it look like the moderators did wrong, is not only unfair and leaving a bad taste, but he also created a bad atmosphere for us to continue to work as moderators, cos he just reignforced the wrong opinion of those who think we are biased with the way we moderate. That is unacceptable.

Feraz: lol

coogar: i really don't understand manny's position in this schitzo.....
are you saying the voice of the people should be ignored because achebe is the best thing since sliced bread or what exactly is your point here?