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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 5:50am On Dec 29, 2012
ekt_bear: Most people want to be associated with success (America).

Very few want to be associated with failure (most of Africa).

America is not the only successful country in the world.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by dayokanu(m): 6:01am On Dec 29, 2012
White007: I hate when people derail thread that will make for good intellectual discourse.

I can't by any stretch of the imagination fathom why this Dayokanu of a guy have to sneak "ibo" into this. Is it primordial or something?

It's a pathetic waste of intellect when bigotry overrides common sense.

Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by mensdept: 6:52am On Dec 29, 2012
Yes AFricans love AMerica, but dont want to do the tough work required to be a great country. Africans want to do Halloween party, get on facebook, throw parties, go clubbing, wear American skirts, buy end of discussion cars and on and on.

Yet:

People in those countries rose to depose corrupt leaders, ban the effect of fake pastors deceiving people, promoted their own history and culture, minimized tribalism and bigotry, and grew up. They did not follow the folly of their forefathers like Nigerians who dont even know or care how the name of their "country" came to be, or why pidgin English is spoken as the defacto lingua franca, or why every man that can buy a quack suit and hold bible automatically becomes a "Man of God" just like magic.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by redsun(m): 7:49am On Dec 29, 2012
Africans love developed world because they are constantly dreaming,even when they are wide awake like we are right here,right now.

The simplest tasks of keeping the streets clean and orderly are dreams to africans.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:20am On Dec 29, 2012
ekt_bear: Most people want to be associated with success (America).

Very few want to be associated with failure (most of Africa).

Huh? Unless we can wash the black off of our skins, we're forever Africans and forever associated. We may not have skyscrapers, stable electricity, or good roads, but we still have our culture and heritage and practice it in both Nigeria and abroad. To me, that's the greatest success.

Africa is what you think of it. I think it's great, hence, Africa is great. The US is my birth place and residence. Africa is my home.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:24am On Dec 29, 2012
ogugua88:

Huh? Unless we can wash the black off of our skins, we're forever Africans and forever associated. We may not have skyscrapers, stable electricity, or good roads, but we still have our culture and heritage, unlike the US.

Exactly where is culture a d heritage going to get us when our basic human needs aren't being met?

It's like carrying Monopoly money around in a cashless society.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:25am On Dec 29, 2012
Because of this urgent need to sustain our culture and custom, we've been stuck in the 19xx period.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:34am On Dec 29, 2012
It's what has been sustaining us thus far. When you lose your culture, you lose your identity and purpose.

"Without culture, and the relative freedom it implies, society, even when perfect, is but a jungle" - Albert Camus.

Only when culture is eradicated in Africa will I call the continent a failure.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:38am On Dec 29, 2012
Sugar and roses.


Yea, the culture and identity that kept us united, that has sustained us so far without international aid, and that is currently moving us.......forward.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:40am On Dec 29, 2012
ogugua88:

. . ., but we still have our culture and heritage and practice it in both Nigeria and abroad. To me, that's the greatest success.

Africa is what you think of it. I think it's great, hence, Africa is great. The US is my birth place and residence. Africa is my home.

What culture and heritage are you talking of? Apart from the language (which is not a huge determinant of culture and is dying), what is there to be proud of?
Africa is what we see, not what we think. I think of Nigeria as a united, strong and prosperous country but that's not what I see.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:42am On Dec 29, 2012
KoboJunkie asked a question a while ago, this question has been bugging me since then:

Kobojunkie: How do we define Culture in Nigeria?

At about 1:30 pm today, I walked into the student center at UIC to get me a snack, and I came upon a placard announcing a meeting in Cardinal room, organized by a 100 Igbos USA, INC and Umu Igbo Alliance entitled "Amandigbo". I was sure the words seemed Ibo so I went downstairs to the information desk and was told it was an african meeting. Being the curious person I am, I decided to check it out.

As I approached I saw a lady speaking at the podium, so I stood outside the door rather than walk in to get a good look at what was going on inside.
From the brochure, I learnt that the gathering was an Ibo gathering and the theme was cultural. However,flipping through the pages, I realized that more than 50% of it was filled with pictures of people/families who I have never heard of, and probably never seen too(no stories of them included--seemed more like some show off magazine lol ), and on the last two pages, the name of a bunch of medical practisioners who, again, I have never heard of before. Got me wondering what of culture they were all gathered to talk about, here in the United States. I admit I have not spent much time researching the organizations in question but if any of you have, please feel free to inform us on what it is exactly they each stand for.

We tend to talk a lot about culture in Nigeria, in a seemingly abstract manner by the way. And it seems individuals have their own idea of what culture is and what it applies to. My question is, apart from attires and dances, is culture still alive in Nigeria? If yes, in what form does it exist? What is culture to you?
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:45am On Dec 29, 2012
Africa's greatest tragedy is having diverse culture and doing nothing productive with it........might as well be uncultured.

Thinking one has an identity while in reality, one cannot be identified.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:50am On Dec 29, 2012
J12: What culture and heritage are you talking of? Apart from the language (which is not a huge determinant of culture and is dying), what is there to be proud of?
Africa is what we see, not what we think. I think of Nigeria as a united, strong and prosperous country but that's not what I see.

Why are you rubbishing the importance of language like that?

@Ileke-Idi, Odumchi said it best.

A people's culture is a combination of all the things that make them a people: their language, their tradition, their history, their etiquette, and their worldview.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:56am On Dec 29, 2012
Still unanswered the most important question; how does it meet our basic needs?

Sugars and roses.

What culture has caused in Africa is frustration. Culture has hindered the attainability of basic human needs. With its twin brother, religion, they have caused animosity between brothers. It has bred ignorance and arrogance.

On most days, individuality is highly preferred.


What's the point of culture to an extrovert in an introverted community?
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by emorse(m): 8:56am On Dec 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
KoboJunkie asked a question a while ago, this question has been bugging me since then:

It beats me when people talk about the African culture. IMO, it died a loooong time ago. We all want to be seen as civilised people by the way we dress, eat, talk, and even the names we bear! Failing to realise that this "civilisation" is actually someone else's culture. I suggest we just move on and salvage the little we can from what's left of the African culture and stop jabbering about how rich it is.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by birdman(m): 8:58am On Dec 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
KoboJunkie asked a question a while ago, this question has been bugging me since then:


To me, anytime a bunch of Nigerians gather together to do anything, that act itself is their culture. There is nothing magical or sacred about culture - you cannot separate culture from the people practising it. This means Africans, Americans, Asians all have culture. They dont even have to call it that...just by existing and doing what they do, that itself is culture. Maybe this is the reason we remain backward in almost every area of influence. Instead of thinking about Atilogwu dancers anytime someone brings up culture, we should be actively defining what our culture, and therefore identity is. This by itself is ultimate power. If we do, we wont be backwards for long, guaranteed.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 8:58am On Dec 29, 2012
Ps: I like my culture grin I can tolerate it and its burdens, but I prefer my individualistic identity on most days (ignore the tribal things *winks*)
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by emorse(m): 9:00am On Dec 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
Still unanswered the most important question; how does it meet our basic needs?

Sugars and roses.

What culture has caused in Africa is frustration. Culture has hindered the attainability of basic human needs. With its twin brother, religion, they have caused animosity between brothers. It has bred ignorance and arrogance.

On most days, individuality is highly preferred.


What's the point of culture to an extrovert in an introverted community?
I couldn't agree more on the religion part.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:02am On Dec 29, 2012
birdman:

To me, anytime a bunch of Nigerians gather together to do anything, that act itself is their culture. There is nothing magical or sacred about culture - you cannot separate culture from the people practising it. This means Africans, Americans, Asians all have culture. They dont even have to call it that...just by existing and doing what they do, that itself is culture. Maybe this is the reason we remain backward in almost every area of influence. Instead of thinking about Atilogwu dancers anytime someone brings up culture, we should be actively defining what our culture, and therefore identity is. This by itself is ultimate power. If we do, we wont be backwards for long, guaranteed.

Nice piece.

I said the same thing at an African forum. One Cameroonian asked me this; so how do we actively identify our identity and how will it benefit Africa?

I had no answer. So it got me thinking.......
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:05am On Dec 29, 2012
emorse:
It beats me when people talk about the African culture. IMO, it died a loooong time ago. We all want to be seen as civilised people by the way we dress, eat, talk, and even the names we bear! Failing to realise that this "civilisation" is actually someone else's culture. I suggest we just move on and salvage the little we can from what's left of the African culture and stop jabbering about how rich it is.

On a serious note, one of the most enlightening nler is ~Royal~. His posts on culture, esp Africa's diverse cultures, are intriguing. I used to believe Africa was exceptional.
Africans enjoy putting themselves on this wobbly cultural pedestal. One day, while we're still shouting culture, the world will pass us by.



Africa carries around monopoly(culture/identity) in a cashless society. While the word is integrating, we're emphasizing on cultural boundaries that do nothing but separate us.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:10am On Dec 29, 2012
Ileke-IdI:
Africa's greatest tragedy is having diverse culture and doing nothing productive with it........might as well be uncultured.

Thinking one has an identity while in reality, one cannot be identified.

Culture alone isn't going to move anyone forward. I do think it's one of the reasons why Nigeria hasn't completely died, however. It's one of the few things to which we look forward and unites us.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:16am On Dec 29, 2012
ogugua88:

Culture alone isn't going to move anyone forward. I do think it's one of the reasons why Nigeria hasn't completely died, however. It's one of the few things to which we look forward and unites us.
No, it's a hindrance. And no, it's not likely to unite us the more we emphasis on it.
The more we see each other as individuals, the more we're likely to unite.
2 groups of people with horrible history are unlikely to unite if both are ethnocentric (Igbo and Fulani, Yoruba and Hausa).
Of course we have rare cases, like the Hutu and Tutsi, SA Blacks/white. However such cases were due to forgiveness from both side, not cultural identity.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by redsun(m): 9:18am On Dec 29, 2012
Culture is a way of life that flows with the passage of time.It is the projection of the past into the present and onwards into the future,with one key thing in mind,survival through rational innovations and adaptations.

A people without innovative culture are no people and that is what africa is almost becoming mostly due to mental slavery that obliterates the common sense of the enslaved.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:19am On Dec 29, 2012
ogugua88:

Why are you rubbishing the importance of language like that?
The Scottish, Irish, Welsh speak English but they aren't English. Brazillians speak Portuguese but they ain't Portuguese. Some tribes in the south south speak igbo, but they'll tell you they aren't Igbo. Most tribes in Northern Nigeria speak hausa but they ain't hausa.
Language takes a little fraction of what determines a culture.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:27am On Dec 29, 2012
Alot of cultures are dying worldwide, not only Africas.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 9:29am On Dec 29, 2012
redsun: Culture is a way of life that flows with the passage of time.It is the projection of the past into the present and onwards into the future,with one key thing in mind,survival through rational innovations and adaptations.

A people without innovative culture are no people and that is what africa is almost becoming mostly due to mental slavery that obliterates the common sense of the enslaved.

I agree, no innovative culture.

Africa has culture, but to no benefit for Africans. Therefore, it's just an intrinsic possession, rendering it INVALUABLE. Africa should focus on HOW to meet its basic human needs with its culture.

Africa: A culture of bows and arrows, with no knowledge of hunting.
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by BlackEmperorX: 10:43am On Dec 29, 2012
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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Seun(m): 11:45am On Dec 29, 2012
ogugua88: The US is my birth place and residence. Africa is my home.
If you live in the US and plan to continue living there indefinitely, then you cannot claim that Africa is your home. Definition of home: The place where one lives permanently, esp. as a member of a family or household. [url=https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=define%3Ahome]Source[/url]. Based on what I know, I think USA is your home. smiley
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by Nobody: 11:46am On Dec 29, 2012
I don't plan on living here indefinitely. *tongue wag*

You've got mail sir smiley
Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by redsun(m): 11:48am On Dec 29, 2012
Only the truth sets a man free.The moment he learns is the moment of his freedom.Africans and the rest of the backward world in the dark are right now,that is why they are lacking.

Lacking does not necessarily mean stack poverty,it could aswell mean a society that is using its own guns to destroys itself,yet cant stop making guns,i.e,america.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by AjanleKoko: 12:13pm On Dec 29, 2012
I don't know about loving America. But I admire the US a lot. The Americans love their country, and believe strongly in themselves. The can-do spirit and sense of independence is overwhelming. In fact, I daresay most Africans/Nigerians who migrate to that country get a 360 degree re-orientation in the way they perceive themselves and their environment. Even some of our fellow Africans flipping burgers get a huge dose of self-esteem just by being in America, compared to their fellows back home, who live mostly with crushed spirits, bowed heads, and broken dreams.

One feeling I get when I travel around that country is the fact that Americans believe that the country is theirs, and not the 'government''s. They see all their achievements as what they have done, In most cases, they actually do it themselves. People get together, either individually or as a collective, and build the environment into what they see for themselves. You hardly see that anywhere else. No wonder they complain a lot about Obama and his concept of 'big government'. It goes against everything Americans believe in.

Just visit Orlando in Florida, home of Disney, and see what one man's dream turned that city into. Many other countries, Nigeria included, are glorified welfare states. People just sit around and wait for their fellow citizens working in the so-called 'government' to bring it all home to them. Jobs, education, healthcare, etc. Most people don't even think they should pay tax, even people who work for the government. They believe the resources in the ground can deliver all the prosperity they want. Which is okay if you're Canada, Norway, or the UAE. Not with a humongous population like the USA or Nigeria.

America started by inviting people from all over the world to come, to what they termed the Free World. Today, most other nations, even the socialist ones, try to copy American ideas and concepts and integrate them into the way they do things, while overtly condemning the country.

I unabashedly admire the country, and see it as a model for a multi-ethnic nation like Nigeria to adopt. If I ever want to move outside Nigeria, it would be to a country like the US. And that's what I would like my country to portray to the world. No shame.

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Re: Why Do Africans Love America So Much? by igbo2011(m): 12:32pm On Dec 29, 2012
BlackEmperorX: There is nothing wrong with emulating a country that has seen success. Look at China as a perfect example that was once considered third-world...I say this as black American born and raised in the states.

Nigeria has all the potential to be the NEXT success story as a progressive society. Yet.. somehow...some way... ppl are troubled by other Nigerians wearing American shirts? Utterly pathetic, bitter, and sad. Enough with the oppression bull crap. It never ceases to amaze me the striking similarities of Africans and black Americans.

Nigerians should ask their selves why your most brilliant minds leave the country in MASSES to places like the US or UK. The American shirt wearers should be an indicator!!

Ravaged by terrorism, corruption, poor infrastructure, and failed policies. I got an idea for you all. The Nigerian Government should implement policies to work with the TOP Black American Businesses. FACE IT your "culture" is irrelevant if you got nothing to show for. European and Western countries laugh when they see ethnocentric battles in a black society like Nigeria.

At the end of the day if you come to America. They DO NOT care what your "culture" is. You are BLACK and nothing more.

Which black American businesses are there to bring to Africa? My page Facebook.com/africanedp www.africanedp.com I am trying to unite us together economically.

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