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An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Negro_Ntns(m): 10:56am On Dec 31, 2012
*’I am Biafran leader’s son’

It was an interview that had to be conducted. After the declaration that  the late Chief Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu, Ezigbo Gburugburu’s Will had been announced and a lion share had gone to Bianca Odinaka Olivia Ojukwu, the deceased’s wife, Sunday Vanguard set out to get all sides of the story, especially after the statements by Emeka Ojukwu, one of the children. Last week, we published the CODCIL verbatim.Today, we bring you an extensive interview with Chief Debe Ojukwu, the disinherited first child of the late Biafran warlord.  He spoke about the Ojukwu Nigerians and Igbos never knew, just as he spoke about Bianca, his father’s wife, and her role as a small mother in the house. 

This is a first part. Excerpts:By Charles Kumolu &  Gbenga Oke

How was it like growing up with you father,  Emeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, at the time when he was the leader of Biafra, particularly given that he had multitude of challenges to contend with as the leader of the Biafran nation?

My name is Chief Debe Ojukwu, I am the eldest child of the late Chief Emeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu. I am a lawyer. I am a community leader.I did not stay with him during the war just like every other person.

Where were you at that time?  Because it was  reported that you had to change from the school you were attending in Lagos to Government College Afikpo?

 That was not what happened. I schooled in Lagos.I had gained admission into some elite school in Lagos at a very young age of nine. Then the war interrupted that progress and we all had to relocate to the East.I am telling you about 1965. I was born on August 3, 1956. By 1965, I was nine years old and had taken the common entrance examination. Because of the crisis that broke in 1965, I could not carry on with that, we had to relocate to the East.

You would have lost some years

Yes.  Most of us lost three years because of the war.Most of us did not go to school between 1968, 1969 and 1970.Where were you all these while?I was all the time with my mum in Enugu.

Why your mum?

Yes because it was safer to be with her. Being with her shielded me from my father’s personality, because it would be easy to attack the son of my father during the war. When the war ended in 1970, I got into Saint Mary’s Uwani. After that, I entered Government Secondary School Afikpo. Then the school was temporarily quartered in Enugu at the Institute of Administration, which is now Enugu State University of Science and Technology, because  soldiers were living at the premises of Government Secondary School Afikpo. We were there until 1973  when the soldiers left there.

I left and traveled to see my father, who was in exile in Ivory Coast. I visited him  a couple of times. He asked me what I wanted to do; I told him I wanted to go to Harvard. I applied and they said I met their criteria. I took my London GCE in class three because I had lost three years because of the war and I wanted to regain those three years. I was always the first in my class. When I took it (London GCE) in class three, I entered for only five papers, which were English, Physics, Maths, Chemistry and Biology. Then in Afikpo, our pride was reading the sciences.

My father okayed my going to Afikpo, after spending some time with him in Ivory Coast, I came back to Nigeria and discovered that I made four papers out of five. That was what hindered my going to Harvard. Since I couldn’t proceed along the line I’d wished for, I decided to join the Nigeria Police Force.


Police Force? How were your days in the police?
The aim of joining the police was to make money and pay for my private tuition because I felt that one could make it by dint of hardwork, instead of the stereotyped way. It was an adventure. I trained at Police College, Ikeja, after which I was posted to Aba. From there, I was posted to Afikpo. After that, I was called back by the Force to do the Inspector course because my four credits qualified me to join as a cadet Inspector rather than constable. I went to the college and had people like Hafiz Ringim, Saleh Abubakar, Audu Abubakar, Abinu Shawa and others as course mates. I could have stayed back with the four credits, but I went to the University of Nigeria, Nsukka,UNN, to study law in 1981. I got my LLB after four years as the first known name to do that without troubles. I finished my studies at the appropriate time. I went back to the police after graduation and at the expiration of my study leave.
How did the Force treat you? Were there prejudices?
The Force was very cagey, I lost promotions on certain occasions because certain interests felt I was there to finish what my father could not accomplish. Because of that I was drafted to go for cadet training, which I should not have gone for because I was already an officer. However, I proceeded and graduated as the best student. I was the first police officer that got a presidential commission because of my performance. We were the first set of the Police Academy.

I was in police until I was now invited to come and manage my grandfather’s properties. Actually it is the management of the properties that is the cause of the whole hoopla.

Before we get to the issue of the hoopla, you just told us that you visited your dad in Ivory Coast on many occasions. Can we know how your father’s family operated while he was in exile in that country?
When he went on exile, he had a woman who was with him.
That was Emeka’s mum and people took her as the First Lady of Biafra. Her name is Njideka.
But while they were in exile, they fell apart and she came back to Nigeria.
She did not come back with her children. Emeka and his siblings remained with my father in Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast.
It was when she left that Stella Onyedor stepped in.

He came back from exile with Stella.
He stayed with Stella and, after her, Bianca came in.
I had always stayed with my mum. And we occasionally visited dad.
Ideally, when a child is small, the custody is granted to the mother until the child becomes an adult. I always visited and stayed with my father in Ivory Coast, he stayed in Cocoordi and Benjaville. Then my grandmother was staying in Gwake. The family had always been there. It was like a war situation, the family was scattered like that until he came back in 1982 and started bringing the family together in Nigeria.


Coming back, can you recollect how it was for him in the early days of his return?
When he returned, he found out that most of his family things and issues were not well organised. You know what it means for a man to be away from home for thirteen years under those circumstances. That was why his children lived at variance – scattered.


What was the relationship between you, your siblings and your father before Bianca came into the family?
It was a very cordial relationship. I did not suffer because my mother shielded me and that is why I am very level headed. For the other children, my father started playing mother and father’s role until Stella stepped in.

Stella will pretend to play mother but it could not be like their own mother.
There could always be friction under such circumstance. But my father has always been overtly protective of his children. So, I can figure that when Bianca came in, I was too old to start expecting maternal care, because I was like a big brother to her. When she came in there was this war of attrition.

Please give an instance of this?
The first one happened with Emeka’s younger sister.
I understood there was a day she and Bianca fought in the kitchen.

Fight! How?
Yes they fought in the kitchen, so I was made to understand.

Was your father not in? How could that have happened?
He was in.
He came into the kitchen and took sides with Bianca and that was what made that girl to leave the house till date.
She was expecting her father to protect her, but the father turned and protected his wife. She could not understand that till date. That is the kind of attrition then, because all of them were age mates. Chukwuemeka was born in 1965, the sister Mimi, was born 1966 and Bianca was born in 1967, so it was easier for me to put in authority because I was much older than them.

This is a follow up to that question. Did Bianca’s coming create any frosty relationship between your father and the larger Ojukwu family?
It did not. The larger family was not united then for certain reasons.
My own father was the first natural child of my grandfather. That was the bone of contention. They were not of full blood. Based on that, there had always been petty jealousy among them. My father had always argued that they were not his brothers, but he went on to make a name for himself outside my grandfather’s name. That fame definitely attracted envy from some members of the larger family. So, during the war they could not talk to him.
But after the war, they started gaining their voices.
During the war, some of them were working with the Red Cross in Biafra.
He never betrayed his brothers because he was the Head of State. And that was the benevolent attitude he had.
But after the war, some felt that the giant had fallen and it was time they have their own pound of flesh. After the war, they did not make attempts to recover my grandfather’s assets in most parts of the country. They were only concerned with the ones in the East which they were using for their immediate needs. My father was writing letters from Ivory Coast to them, telling them to go and recover the seized properties. Maybe some thought he would die in exile, but God,in His infinite mercies, made it possible for the Federal Government to grant him pardon and he came back to Nigeria.

If you check, you will discover that most people that fought civil wars in history died in exile. Robert Lee of the United States of America and others died. But if you check, you will discover that my father led with justice, equity and kindness. And that contributed to making the pardon he received from the Federal Government possible.
For instance, history has it that sometimes he would come to share relief materials to the populace because he felt that the officials were not doing enough.

When he came back, the issue at stake was the properties, but the properties were abandoned properties. And nobody did anything about them in his absence until 1993 when then President Babangida released the properties to him.
It was after the release that the litigation started. And they started laying claim to them. After the war they started arguing about who was going to be the executor. They had running battle for the properties. The same people, who are with me in court today, were the same people fighting him in court then.

So, the larger Ojukwu family had always had friction about properties.
And when the properties were released to him, he refused to administer them with the family. It was based on that refusal that they approached me, and said they trusted me.
They said they were going to surrender the ones they were holding and begged that I manage all the properties.
That was how I started administering it to preserve my grandfather’s legacy.
When I was doing it successfully, my dad was happy. They will come behind my father to instigate me against him, saying that he maltreated me and he did not pay my school fees, but I was not interested in that.
They will also go back to him to tell him that a child trained by a poor teacher could not be successful. Bianca was not instrumental to the quarrel in the larger Ojukwu family.
But when she now saw the problem brewing, she bought into it.


Could you expatiate on this issue of your father being a natural son of the late Sir Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu?
There is a way natural issue comes up. Natural one is when you meet a woman and Reproduce with her in order to produce a child. That is a natural child. There are children you adopt from the motherless babies home. There are children your wife may have had before marrying you and you automatically become their step dad. The one you adopted is your adopted son; the one from your wife is your step son. There is also another one called foster child. There is even the one they call professional son. So the natural son is the one you had through the natural means of Reproduction. Even if you have a child through artificial insemination, people might say he is not your natural son. So when I say natural, I know what I am saying and DNA can confirm that. But no matter any means you get a son, once he calls you father, you should treat him as a son. That was why in Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart, Okonkwo was told not to have a hand in the killing of Ikemefuna because the boy called him father.


What would you say Bianca brought to the family, having known your father as a man who fought hard and survived and needed comfort?
She brought comfort, youth and vitality. But then it drove my dad, because I had always been of the opinion that if my father had a woman of my mother’s age living with him, things would have been different and stablised.
But then when you marry a woman of a certain age which is at variance with your age, the drive would be fast but it leads to accident.

Accident, how?
For instance, the younger girl might want to go to a party and you will not have any option than putting on jeans and attending the party with her at the age of 60.
There was a day we went to Eko le Meridian Hotel. The hotel had a restaurant at the sixteenth floor. It was for Valentine and other expensive dinners. I went with my wife, then she was my girlfriend and my father came in with Bianca. I hope you understand how I would feel in that situation. You know, ideally, I should not be running into my father with a young lady in a restaurant at that age.


On the issue of the Will, you will agree that since it was read in Enugu it has been generating a lot of controversies. Your younger brother, Emeka, does not also seem to reckon with the Will. Can we know if you have reservations on the contents of this Will?
I do not know why she conspired against me. The first reservation is that it is no Will.
That thing is a forged document. I have already filed a caveat, so there is no Will.
It is when the caveat will go to trial and I give my voice alongside whomever that is championing it, then it would be tried.
On the surface, you will find out that it is a forged document.
In law, there is what we call Nemo dat quod non habet. It means that you don’t give what you don’t have.


But if Ojukwu shared his properties the way he wished, why should that be anybody’s problem?
It is your right as an individual to acquire and dispose property. If that is how he has chosen to dispose his properties, there is no problem.
My only reservation is some of my properties were among those shared. There was the one my grandmother gave me when she was alive.


Are these properties located in Enugu or where?
I am talking about the one at Nnewi.
She told the whole family that she had given the land to me. She took about eight of us to her village and introduced us to her family.
Emeka was also there. I am her eldest grandchild from Nnewi, but I am not her eldest grandchild. She had three children. One daughter and two sons!
The daughter had one son and three daughters. And Tom Biggard, who died during the civil war, had one daughter and three sons. Then my father is in the middle. So being the eldest of the grandchildren in Nnewi, she gave me the land she bought at Nnewi and she told everybody.

You have dismissed the Will as a forged document. Can you really tell us your position on how the properties were distributed in the document viz a viz who got what?
It is a forgery.

In law, Will is called Volonte in French. It means wish.
This question would have been okay if I was satisfied that what is contained in that document was the wish of my late father. It is someone’s Will, so it is left for that person to come and tell us how he acquired the property.
That is not my father’s Will because he could not have devised my property. That was my first reaction before I discovered that it is a fraud, which the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, and the Police should investigate because anybody that does that is a petty criminal. And there are pre-conditions for occupying public office.
If someone has been proved to have contravened any of the pre-conditions, that person should be stripped of whatever has been given to the person.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/i-do-not-know-why-bianca-conspired-against-me-debe-ojukwu/
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Negro_Ntns(m): 10:57am On Dec 31, 2012
Debe

Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by mascot87(m): 12:17pm On Dec 31, 2012
Wait please
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by victorazy(): 12:22pm On Dec 31, 2012
Lion never give birth to a goat. Ur father fought Nigeria for 3 yrs? Oh Nigeria.

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Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Ada Nri1(f): 12:22pm On Dec 31, 2012
This n that....private affairs made public. I'm still wondering why women marry men old enough to be their father. There's never peace in such families, even though this family had always been fractured
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Hailedin9ja: 12:25pm On Dec 31, 2012
*’I am Biafran leader’s son’

Fact No.1

Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Tolexander(m): 12:42pm On Dec 31, 2012
what a lagacy from a warlord and a paedophile!

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Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by lain: 12:53pm On Dec 31, 2012
Both grandfather, mothers ojukwu, ojukwus brothers and the fore fathers of the ojukwu clan are the problem of what is happening today to this great family

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Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Pennywise(m): 1:01pm On Dec 31, 2012
All other interested parties to the will should be ready because I see in this gentleman the true spirit of a fighter.

It seems he is even prepared to take the fed govt to court for appointing a will forger to an ambassadorial position. His last statement said exactly that perhaps not in as many words.
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Arysexy(m): 1:03pm On Dec 31, 2012
Tolexander: what a lagacy from a warlord and a paedophile!

and wot legacy will ur wretched father leave for u poor son? Animal!

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Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by TRILLIONIAR: 1:06pm On Dec 31, 2012
NA WA FOR OJUKWU FAMILY O
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by thrugemaster(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2012
TALOSOBE,.. ONYENEKWU,.. WAIKEMAGANA..
...... Beware of the spirit of Bianca....... She wants compensation for marrying an old man
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by fx-seven(m): 2:51pm On Dec 31, 2012
Tolexander: what a lagacy from a warlord and a paedophile!
I think you don't know the meaning of paedophile. choose another word to qualify the beloved hero.
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by TouchDown: 3:42pm On Dec 31, 2012
Such a loud-mouth.
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Tolexander(m): 5:28pm On Dec 31, 2012
Arysexy:

and wot legacy will ur wretched father leave for u poor son? Animal!
my father isn't a paedophile anyway.
Silence is the best weapon for people like you

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Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Tolexander(m): 5:31pm On Dec 31, 2012
fx-seven:
I think you don't know the meaning of paedophile. choose another word to qualify the beloved hero.
beloved hero indeed!
Beloved hero that fled warfront to abidjan!
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by swedbase(m): 6:10pm On Dec 31, 2012
Tolexander: beloved hero indeed!
Beloved hero that fled warfront to abidjan!

Atleast he is better than your cowardic abiola family
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Eskendeboboriba(f): 6:22pm On Dec 31, 2012
Bianca was dating Emeka at the age of 22, when Emeka was around 55 years old. That shows Sugar dady tinz no be today e start. Ojukwu gaaaaan fun ra e, who say he no be PAEDOPHILE ? Hmn
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Tolexander(m): 7:16pm On Dec 31, 2012
swedbase:

Atleast he is better than your cowardic abiola family
cowardic Abiola still won a national election.
Heroic Ojukwu couldn't win an election in his backyard.
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by dayokanu(m): 8:33pm On Dec 31, 2012
That coward paedophile called Ojuku
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by kelvino25(m): 11:18pm On Dec 31, 2012
Eskendeboboriba: Bianca was dating Emeka at the age of 22, when Emeka was around 55 years old. That shows Sugar dady tinz no be today e start. Ojukwu gaaaaan fun ra e, who say he no be PAEDOPHILE ? Hmn
kindly google paedophile and quit displaying your ignorance here. #friendlyadvice
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Dr.Chris.Ubah: 8:58pm On Jan 04, 2013
Debe Ojukwu involved in criminal violence!

Here is one of many documents obtained from The Nigerian State Security Services, The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission and The Nigerian Police which is EVIDENCE of the kind of wicked criminal Debe Ojukwu is. Prepared to inflict grave bodily harm to poor innocent Nigerian citizens just doing their job so he can steal money! More will be published shortly.
These documents will prove beyond any doubt that
1 . General Ojukwu was correct, that Sylvester Ude AKA Debe “Ojukwu” is not his son but may be his cousins son.
2. That Debe Ojukwu is a criminal 419 perpetrator who has forged numerous documents and stolen hundreds of millions of naira from the Ojukwu Family, especially from General Ojukwu’s real children and from Ojukwu Transport Limited.
3. Debe Ojukwu belongs in Kiri Kiri and he is on his way there.

To see document, click on link below.

http://debeojukwu.blogspot.com/2013/01/debe-ojukwu.html
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by enyojo(f): 5:42pm On Jan 06, 2013
Who is debe Ojukwu?
Is he Ikemba Ojukwu's Son or his father?
The man looks like great-grand father
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Dr.Mark.Okpara: 11:52pm On Jan 23, 2013
Courtessy of Ambassador Bianca Ojukwu, we have acquired copies of two DNA test results that were commissioned by General Odumegwu Ojukwu on Sylvester Debe Ude "Ojukwu". The results proved 100% that Debe is NOT Odumegwu Ojukwu's biological son. Some of us have always wondered if Debe could also pass as Jonas Savimbi's son because he is a carbon copy of him and a chip of the old block! Whatever that means in 419 lingo.
We have wondered WHY THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE PICTURE OF THIS CRIMINAL EVER WITH GENERAL OJUKWU? WHY HE CANNOT PRODUCE EVEN ONE CHRISTMAS CARD OR LETTER TO HIM SIGNED BY GENERAL OJUKWU? WHY DOES HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE (WE HAVE A COPY) SAY SYLVESTER UDE? CAN HE PRODUCE ONE SINGLE PICTURE OF HIS MOTHER EVER WITH GENERAL OJUKWU. Do you believe that a graduate of Oxford University would not pay school fees for his own son? Can Debe produce a school fees receipt signed by General Ojukwu EVER? Just one please!
We urge members of the press to honor the man and stop calling another mans child Ojukwu's son.
Why does he not have the guts to go to Nnewi and occupy Odumegwu Ojukwu's obi (House) in Nnewi? Would someone too cowardly to go to his own father's house come from The Great Ikemba's loins?
Would General Ojukwu be scared to occupy his own fathers house? Please use your heads and stop falling for an old 419 scam?
How can the Great Nnewi people allow a common criminal and 419 thug steal all the properties that Sir Odumegwu Ojukwu worked tirelessly to acquire? I am very surprised that this criminal is still alive. Stay tunned to this site for more EVIDENCE, not cheap 419 talk about how Debe has stolen money that Sir Odumegwu Ojukwu said should be spent in Nnewi and Igboland. How can true Igbo's allow this to be squandered on flashy cars chieftency titles, prostitutes and at the casino? The time for us to take drastic action is TODAY!


Why are Igbo people and Nigerians always impressed that one has a little stolen money to throw around?
Is Umaru Dikko a great man because he has a little stolen money to throw around and drive a flashy car?
When will The Great Nnewi people go to Lagos grab this thief by the neck and take care of business if you know what I mean? His office is located at 203 Igbosere Street, Lagos and he hides his stolen money in Lekki. Go there and have a chat with him and you will realize that you are talking to a very hardened criminal that should be in Kiri Kiri or worse after a very good beating.
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Dr.Mark.Okpara: 11:56pm On Jan 23, 2013
Open letter from Odumegwu Ojukwu Family to Sylvester Ude a.k.a. Debe Ojukwu.

Signatories to this letter:

1. Chief Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu Jnr. (Ikemba II), Director - Ojukwu Transport Limited

2. Mr. Okigbo Odumegwu Ojukwu, Director - Ojukwu Transport Limited


3. Ms. Mimi Odumegwu Ojukwu. (Ada Ikemba)

4. Ms. Ebele Odumegwu Ojukwu.

5. Ms. Tenny Haman Odumegwu Ojukwu


Dear Sylvester Ude a.k.a. Debe "Ojukwu",

your contract to manage some Ojukwu Transport Limited properties ended years ago and you must now account to and return to The Company (Ojukwu Transport Limited) and The Ojukwu Family all monies that you have stolen from The Company and The Family.

You must also stop falsely parading yourself as General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu's son and a member of The Ojukwu Family because our father, The Late General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu ordered a DNA test on you and ascertained with 99.99% accuracy that you are niether General Ojukwu's son nor a member of The Ojukwu Family.

You must cease and desist from fraudulently extorting rents from Ojukwu Transport Limited's tenants.
You are also hereby banned from stepping foot on any Ojukwu Transport Limited or Ojukwu Family properties, particularly those in Nnewi, Lagos, Port Harcourt, Onitsha, Enugu, Kaduna, Zaria and Abuja.

You are hereby warned that we are currently enlisting the assistance of The Federal Government of Nigeria, The Ministry of Defense, Millitary intelligence Services, State Security Services, The Lagos State Government, The Anambra State government amongst others to protect the legitimate rights of Ojukwu Tansport Limited, a corporaton duly incorporated and registered with The Corporate Affairs Commission of The Federal Republic of Nigeria.

To see the original letter, go to:

http://debeude.blogspot.com/
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by Dr.Mark.Okpara: 11:57pm On Jan 23, 2013
Here is one of many documents obtained from The Nigerian State Security Services, The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission and The Nigerian Police which is EVIDENCE of the kind of wicked criminal Debe Ojukwu is. Prepared to inflict greivious bodily harm to poor innocent Nigerian citizens just doing their job. More will be published shortly.

These documents will prove beyond any doubt that

1 . General Ojukwu was correct, that Sylvester Ude AKA Debe "Ojukwu" is not his son but may be his cousins son.

2. That Debe Ojukwu is a criminal 419 perpetrator who has forged numerous documents and stolen hundreds of millions of naira from the Ojukwu Family, especially from General Ojukwu's real children and from Ojukwu Transport Limited.

3. Debe Ojukwu belongs in Kiri Kiri and he is on his way there.

To see a better copy of this document, visit:


http://debeojukwu.blogspot.com/2013/01/debe-ojukwu.html
Re: An Interview With Chief Debe Ojukwu by sbeezy8: 1:32am On Jan 24, 2013
You must cease and desist from fraudulently extorting rents from Ojukwu Transport Limited's tenants.
You are also hereby banned from stepping foot on any Ojukwu Transport Limited or Ojukwu Family properties, particularly those in Nnewi, Lagos, Port Harcourt, Onitsha, Enugu, Kaduna, Zaria and Abuja. ...



does sound like biafra to me.

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