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Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by slam7000(m): 1:37pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
lacasa: I can see the South Easterners on board (this thread) claiming intellectual superiority already , because of a string of quotations from an article ;-\ Being a walking encyclopedia and engaging in endless arguments or debates here on nairaland doesnt bring home the bacon.There are lots of intelligent people out there who cant win arguments but are blessed and naturally equipped in other areas to succeed in real life. I know lots of people at alaba,mushin,kano and idumota who couldnt speak good english but could explore the amazon and conduct successful business with the primitive tribes and be back in nigeria hugely rewarded.I know lots of people who have gone to the sahara,interacted with the dangerous and xenophobic Touareg tribe and came back successful.Those people have not been to havard business school. Nairaland comments and banters dont win you real life battles. It takes more to succeed. 3 Likes |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by slam7000(m): 1:45pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: Very Well Said and clever...try and cut out the ifa venoms in your subsequent posts.. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by sarutobie(m): 1:48pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
slam7000:The realisation of this simple truth is the begining of wisdom and restraint here on nairaland and in the real world.. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 1:53pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
initiator: I can see the point that aribisala and co are making (save for his Achebe mentality distraction). However they fail to see the underlying problem with the quotas: that is ingraining a culture of privilaedge that does no service to the common good. Whoever or whichever tribe is granted concession over merit grows to expect that same priviledge all their life. I agree affirmative action is good at some point to help pull "disadvantaged groups," it must not be allowed to play for too long so it does not become a culture. A child in Kebbi should slug it out with one from Anambra. This is not about affirmative action at all and that is where people miss the point. Those schools were established with one objective. To educate Nigerians of diverse backgrounds together whilst they are still "children". That is the ONLY reason why the FG is involved otherwise secondary education is state government responsibility. The FGCs were not set up with an agenda to address educational disadvantage and cannot do so because the numbers involved are tiny.The idea of slugging it out is a ridiculous one. To qualify as a UNITY school ALL must be present.There are other places where competition will be key but NOT in a UNITY SCHOOL. So the fundamental point that people should address is SHOULD THERE BE UNITY SCHOOLS IN THE FIRST PLACE If people are arguing that point that is a different mattter entirely and one I would willingly debate. but we cannot turn round after saying we want UNITY schools to Find an argument where you have a school with 20 igbos and 20 yorubas and 1 Hausa man. It may be a very good school but IT IS NOT A UNITY SCHOOL. That is the point and we must ask WHAT BUSINESS HAS THE FG GOT WITH SUCH A SCHOOL? The underlying problem as you call it simply suggests the schools be scrapped as secondary education is outside the purview of the FG 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 2:11pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0:Bros, I think you've made enough sense today, no need to repeat yourself again. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Sunnybobo3(m): 2:20pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Much as I appreciate the reason behind setting up unity schools and the use of quota system in the selection of students, I think the idea of setting cut off marks by state of origin doesn't go far enough to address the imbalance. Cut off points should be graded as per senatorial districts. Take for instance a state like Anambra state; here, indigenes from Anambra South and Anambra Central perform excellently well while perfornance in most part of Anambra North could be likened to what is obtainable in the North. In this case, would the people of Anambra North not be marginalized by using a blanket cut off for the whole state? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by logica(m): 2:35pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Sunny_bobo: Take for instance a state like Anambra state; here, indigenes from Anambra South and Anambra Central perform excellently well while perfornance in most part of Anambra North could be likened to what is obtainable in the North. In this case, would the people of Anambra North not be marginalized by using a blanket cut off for the whole state?Now that is a good point. Dunno if the people from Anambra North will appreciate comparison to the Northerners though. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 2:45pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
This is an important point but beyound the scope of UNITY SCHOOLS . The ultimate responsibiliy for secondary education lies with the state government and if indeed Anambra North are underperforming that is a matter for the state government. I am sure such issues exist in ALL states .Even among minorities there are minorities The Unity schools are not primarily about performance but national integration and therefore it is limited in scope. We must remember that they were established after the civil war along the lines of the Old Government Colleges and King's College as a way of healing relations and building bridges in the same spirit that the NYSC was created. Whether that has been achieved is another thing |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by dayokanu(m): 2:54pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Aafulenu: You are correct cos I scored 551 and the best guy in my school scored 584 |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 3:16pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
All this "what Igbos saw" argument is rubbish. It is the responsibility of Igbo,Yoruba or whatever states to provide secondary and primary education NOT the FG. You're right. Schooled in Lagos, but my cut off mark was based on my state of origin which is Anambra. dayokanu: What are you people feeling like? Abeggi |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by dayokanu(m): 3:18pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
^^ feeling like ke? Na you be chairman. I think we even had different cut off for boys and girls from the same State I think Aribisala is right, The motive of establishing those UNITY schools is not solely for excellence but also for UNITY and theres no UNITY when in a class of 30, everyone is from Anambra, or Bendel, Imo or Ogun |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by TonySpike: 3:31pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
dayokanu: ^^ feeling like ke? Na you be chairman. Yeah, I remember we had different cut-off marks for males and females usually about 10-20 marks difference. Those days *thinking* |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by TonySpike: 3:33pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Sunny_bobo: Much as I appreciate the reason behind setting up unity schools and the use of quota system in the selection of students, I think the idea of setting cut off marks by state of origin doesn't go far enough to address the imbalance. Cut off points should be graded as per senatorial districts. Oga, you are yet to answer my question. I had reason(s) for putting up those graphs, I would like you to respond to them as soon as you're ready! |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by tayoccu(m): 3:58pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Let's ask ourselves is it worth it to sacrifice quality for the sake of the quota system? In my own view it isn't. Quota system is very counter productive, look @ our national assembly, loads of those peeps do nothing but squander tax payer's money. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 4:16pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
It makes sense, they are trying to diversify the school..and encourage those students with low cut off point states. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
ikp4succes: It makes sense, they are trying to diversify the school..and encourage those students with low cut off point states. Really? To encourage someone you admit him with a zero cut off? Anyway,there is no quota in WAEC JAMB has quota but WAEC,either you garrit or you don't and I doubt if they can get it without at least 5 credits like anyone else Shebi last year only about two students in a Bornu senatorial zone cleared 5 papers in WAEC How do we think that happened? WAEC may be the leveler |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by kpencheruwe: 4:28pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
eaglechild: This does not make sense. 23 years ago i was a victim of this wicked policy.With a score of 380 i was denied admmision into FGC Ijaniki simply because i hailed from Bendel State, while those from lagos and other states with lesser score were admitted.Since then i hate all advocate of Federal xter.Pure rubbish. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Lamenting the collapse of the education system in the state, the governor said: “In the entire Borno North, only two students qualified for university education, as they are the only candidates that have five credits each in the National Examination Council, NECO, and West African Examination Council, WAEC, examinations in This is that news The day quota gets into WAEC forget it The country would have been totally decimated. Let them enter with zero scores,WAEC awaits |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 4:41pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
If we say we want to organize a football game between Europe and Africa then the teams must be represntative. The issue is one of balance quality is important but so is balance. If we say the Spanish team have the best players and they should represent Europe exclusively how will that look and will they receive wide support outside Spain? No one ever said FGCs were NATIONAL CENTRES OF EXCELLENCE so this merit argument is funny. Look at the size of land across the nation that many communities dedicated to these schools without compensation. Will you then tell them after entrance exams that there is no one from their community good enough for the school. Nigeria is a complex place and people should distinguish between textbook arguments and the real world. Human beings are quite hard to please and in a place like Nigeria no effort should be spared to give everyone a sense of belonging. This is what I mean when I talk of the Achebe argument and that is this idea that in a nation like NIgeria everything should be done on "merit" and if this does not happen that is why things are not working. To me this is based on selfishness and a short term perspective. Firstly, because this does not happen anywhere and it is dishonest to pretend otherwise. Did George W Bush become President by Merit or Hilary Clinton a senator by merit? We have decided in Nigeria to have a federal system and need to strengthen that. Nevertheless we fought a very bloody war and a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of that was the creation of these schools.Now we have some people shouting merit. So that what please tell me ,So we have a Federal Government College in Kano for meritorius students from Imo and Anambra and maybe some from Ondo?? funded by the FG and then we triumphantly tell them it is because they are "5tupid". That for me is what Achebe is all about and some people just do NOT get it. That cannot and will not work in Nigeria or anywhere else in the world. The EU has a huge bureaucracy in Brussels ,do they not have quotas? 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by dayokanu(m): 4:43pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
^^ No need to talk more Your example on World cup was apt If its by quality only Europe and South America suppose dey represent |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by TableLeg(m): 4:50pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Bottom daft or dumb kids shouldnt justify freely walking into a school .... Absolute nonsense! |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 4:50pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
kpencheruwe: So you would be happy if all you clever people from Bendel were admitted and Lagos state that gave them the land has no one in the school. If there are so many clever people from Bendel the solution is for Bendel State to provide more schools |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 4:51pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: If we say we want to organize a football game between Europe and Africa then the teams must be represntative. Your argument holds no water,you even defeat your own argument by your very example Towing your same line,this could be the reason our sportsmen are mediocre when they represent us Because someone somewhere insists that every zone must be represented If football is better played by bendelites and Igbos and they are the best players in the lot,why should they not be the only ones there? Why must quota rear it's ugly head in sports Here in America,almost always all the fast sprinters are blacks and almost always not just the USA but Canada,the UK,France even Czech Republic present black sprinters even though the country is overwhelming white. In Kenya where everyone is black,I read that most of those long distance runners are from a particular tribe Could it be that Yorubas have the gift of running ? ( no pun intended) Could it be Akwaibomites? Why should they not populate that team and get us the desired medals if they qualify as better than others Quota has hurt us badly It has produced mediocrity and nothing more Why should someone be admitted with 136 and another be admitted not with 120 or 110 which are passing sores but with 29 ,35 and 0 to the same institution Don't you see something wrong in it? 2 Likes |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Aafulenu(f): 4:57pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
all those shouting its unfair, its unfair. dont universities in the south do their admissions based on state of origin? and am talking about state university. talking about pot calling kettle black. as someone has rightly said- the way u cant tell cath schools who to admit, thats the same way u cant tell d fg who to admit. unity school were created for a reason and thats to create/enhance/implant the idea of unity in nigerian students as they are still young. so u dont expect them to fill the school up with one tribe just becos they passed more? this reminds me of when i was serving in one of those command sec schools, i was appointed to compute their enterance exam, after computing, i was told to divide the results into soldiers, officers and civilians. at the end of the day all the officers kids were given admission irrespective of their score, then all the soldiers kids were given the remaining space, luckly there were still open slots, so i was told to fill it up with the civilians. at the end a soldier child that scored 05 was given admission while a civilian's child who scored 75/100 wasnt given admission. i remember tell the commandant that it wasnt fair to the civilians. and his exact reply was SHUT UP!!! IS IT THEIR SCHOOL? so will u guys also start bashing them? cos the school was created for the children of the military. that was d aim, if they had ueed merit then very few military kids will gain admission and almost all the civilians will. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 5:02pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
babyosisi: Guy you clearly had a mediocre education yourself and are not really in a position to talk. Do you know what a pun is? You saw the expression "no pun intended" somewhere and felt you must contrive to interject it here somehow. "Argument holds no water" Lwkmd "cliches" are always a poor ersatz for cerebral subtance.What is my argument,exactly Have you a clue?. In your own eyes the twaddle you have written is witty and worthwhile but it is brainless,breezy and bombastic.I have made my point several times to the extent that I have been begged to say no more and all you can come up with is this verbigeration on ethnic background of athletes No I do not see anything wrong with it because the institution was established for that very purpose. 3 Likes |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 5:05pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Waiting for your response to the subject matter |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 5:12pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Aafulenu: all those shouting its unfair, its unfair. dont universities in the south do their admissions based on state of origin? and am talking about state university. talking about pot calling kettle black. So it does not bother you that a doctor who could be operating on you or your family member was admitted ,pushed through the system and graduated on the basis of quota right from class 1? That is not at all of concern to you That a military officer taking security decisions for you and me scored 20% in a qualifying test and was elevated through the ranks to his position by virtue of his state of origin while another scored 65 and was held back. Why then do we need to be in one country? Is it not better fragmented so that each region can choose their own standards and do as they wish since clearly I would not want someone that a standardized testing has deemed grossly inferior to make life and death decisions regarding me. If I had wind that the surgeon about to snatch off my appendix was admitted and graduated on the basis of quota,I doubt if I would want him to touch me Would you want him as your doctor? Would you like that student admitted with zero pass mark to Kings College to graduate and perhaps quota extended to WAEC and he gets into ABU with 2 credits,passed by quota in his courses to be the proprietor of your child's private school? Would you keep your ward there if you had these details? I believe people should be given a chance but this type akin to daytime robbery makes no sense whatsoever They should figure out why they are underperforming not impose the underperformance on us and rubber-stamp it No be by force to go school If school is not in your akaraka,there are other things one could do 4 Likes |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by toluene12: 5:17pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
munas:actually, there is. It's called affirmative action. Special consideration is given to blacks, minorities and women above the mainstream white. Its been in existence for over 40 yrs now and many successful blacks benefitted from it. However, I'll admitt its very unpopular and calls have been made to end it. Some have even challenged it in court. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by toluene12: 5:17pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
munas: |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by ssii: 5:27pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
This quota thing has always been, its just to encouraged educationally diSadvantaged states. Even when i got admission over 15years ago a federal university in my state, some states had lower JAMB cut-off scores than others based on the general performance. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Roseart: 5:48pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
toluene12: But Affirmative action does not mean that I as a AA can score a 1100 on the SAT for a school that requires 1500 score and get in because I'm Black. It ask College Admissions to consider my race as a factor, not the only factor. So if a white person and I make the the same test score, a 1500, Affirmative Action will suggest that maybe I should have a slight edge in being admitted due as a way to create a more diverse environment and be an attempt to make up for a historical wrong. White people have it in their head that minorities and women are not required to get the same grade as them. In this case, the FG is trying to correct an imbalance in education but there literally is no benchmark for some folks to be admitted. It helps with diversity but at the cost of cheating someone qualified out of a spot and it hurts the student themselves (Its like an award for attendance). The problem at the end of the day lies with the local schools because if your students need a "no score" to get into college something is horribly wrong. 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 6:00pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
taharqa: Sir,as an insider(a paid Presidency agent),what is your boss doing about this? |
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