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Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by toluene12: 6:34pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
munas:actually there is, it's called affirmative action. A process whereby blacks, minorities and women are given special consideration over mainstream white in university admission, employment, public works and govt contracts. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by toluene12: 6:54pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
[quote author=la furia]as for the north having lower cut-off, the question is how many still end up going to school. how many northerners attend federal schools in the south from the north? i attended fed sch in the south but that was becos i lived there. we were just 2 notherners among all the southerners that got admission that year. in the six years i spent, number of northern student who attended the fed school were less than five. but u have southerners who still flood the northern fed schs because the schs in the south couldnt admit them all. my point is: 1. the southern students score far better than the northern students and will surely get more admission places, the fact here is 90 perecent of northerners donot go to schs in the south, so the issue of their presence denying other better student admission isnt there. the competition in the south is within you southerners and nothing to do with low cut off for the north unless u are applied to a sch in north wic u are most likely to get. [/quote stiff competition among southern students explains the problem. It has nothing to do with northerners. Lets not cry foul where there is none. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by initiator(m): 7:01pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
I attended a unity school with "Pro Unitate" as the motto and the objective of the school was not to unify the country as much as to educate its citizens. You cannot go to school to be united. You go to school to be educated. Proper education is the primary goal of any school. The unity part is secondary and the NYSC is more focused on that part. I find it uncomfortable to use ethnicity as a means of bringing people together. I tell you, the real thing that divides Nigerians is economic. Tribe and religin are there but the major factor that subjugates people is a class divide. If these schools were cathering to people whse parents earn about 200,000 annually then I would agree that quotas be given. From my earlier post my point is that these quotas can be kept as long as there is a timeline on them. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 7:06pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
toluene12: They are not the same at all and could not be the same Nigeria is already practicing affirmative action by having Anambra with a cut off mark of and Delta with 125 That is a huge difference between one of 125 another of 30 or zero 30 compared to 135 or 125 is a failure score and affirmative action should not be able to turn a failing grade into a pass which is what the Nigerian version is doing. In case you don't know rural and poor whites are also included in affirmative action in many instances. It is also easy for us to see why blacks and other minorities in the USA including women should be encouraged into positions by reserving a certain percentage for them in some establishments. They have been an oppressed group It is not given to mediocre minorities either unlike the nigerian type. Blacks were enslaved by whites and used as beasts of burdens.Dehumanized for centuries with no laws protecting them as humans.the country had clear anti black laws which needed to be dismantled. Why is the north of nigeria lagging behind compared to the south? why don't they want to address the main issue? The south never colonized the north or conquered it in a war There were no anti north rules that kept them marginalized,infact the white man favored them tremendously according to reports. The white man brought western education to us all and the north as a matter of fact claimed Arabs had already opened their eyes to modernity before the Europeans came.i have read those writings. The white man came first to Western Nigeria which explains their older schools and earlier foray into education compared to other groups That was many years ago Other groups in the south have since caught up and some surpassed them going by current statistics What has prevented the north from coming close despite the fact that laws are skewed to favor them? Is anyone not asking these questions rather than devising laws to favor mediocrity I don't believe they are incapable of learning ,what cultural or religious practices are keeping them down and dragging us backwards That should be addressed in order for them and us to make a headway 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by initiator(m): 7:34pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
The football analogy given by aribisala is perfect in arguing against his point. Europe is the smallest continent bu has the most representatives at the worldcup. Reason? They are better footballers! So while Fifa helped to foster global unity by including other continents, it did not disadvantage the majority of footballing nations. When Africa started improving their slots were raised from 3 to 5. I believe Nigeia would be a better place if the mass of Northerners are educated because you ae only as strong as your weakest link; but this would not be gotten by lowering standards even down to zero. Let me give you an example, while I was at a FGC in the east there was this boy who came in in JS 1 and could not speak a line in english. He ended up being the but of jokes in class. People made him the class clown, taunting him with cattle sounds and all. Now tell me what unity you achieve by that. Unity is nothing. What unifies a people as argued in Achebe's book, The Problem with Nigeria are values of hardwork and justice and stuff like that. 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 7:42pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
initiator: The football analogy given by aribisala is perfect in arguing against his point. Europe is the smallest continent bu has the most representatives at the worldcup. Reason? They are better footballers! So while Fifa helped to foster global unity by including other continents, it did not disadvantage the majority of footballing nations. When Africa started improving their slots were raised from 3 to 5. In my school also we had girls from the north that could not speak a word of English and were isolated and only socialized with fellow northerners the only ones that spoke their language. These girls obviously did not take the same national common entrance we took let alone pass it,the exam was in English. They had full state scholarships too We heard rumors some of them were even married It was not difficult to prove,,some went on holidays and never returned Some also got pregnant and were sent home. The underlying reason is not being addressed which explains why despite the lowering of admission requirements down to zero,they cannot still fill their quotas and the schools in their own states are heavily populated by southerners also. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by edoyad(m): 8:14pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
toluene12:Affirmative action like you said is designed to aid minorities. Between warri and Hausa/ Fulani people, which to you is a minority tribe in Nigeria? What did Atiku tell PDP delegates in Rivers in 2011 ? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by nduchucks: 8:23pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
edoyad: Your point is not cogent enough. Simply because Hausa/Fulani people are more in population does not mean that a marginalized segment of them should not benefit from so-called affirmative actions. In the US for example, marginalized white people do benefit from affirmative actions. Examine the number of University graduates in Nigeria and the need to bridge the gap with affirmative actions such as being discussed becomes obvious. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by toluene12: 8:39pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
initiator: The football analogy given by aribisala is perfect in arguing against his point. Europe is the smallest continent bu has the most representatives at the worldcup. Reason? They are better footballers! So while Fifa helped to foster global unity by including other continents, it did not disadvantage the majority of footballing nations. When Africa started improving their slots were raised from 3 to 5.i'm not sure u're quite correct. African, asian and concacaf slots at world cup weren't increased because of improvement in previous competition instead because of increased number in W.C participants. When fifa increased the no from 24 to 32, 7 of the extra places were allocated to fifa's weaker affiliated region to ensure better representation at global level. That these extra nations have proven to be merely walk overs and are killing the competitive spirit the world cup is known for and calls have been made that those extra slots should have been allocated to europe and south america, does not mean fifa should reverse the original purpose of behind the idea. That's the point aribisala and co established about unity schools. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by docokwy(m): 8:39pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Aribisala0 and his quota system cohorts: I would like to get your opinion on the issue of rotational presidency in relation to quota system (that you support). Thank you. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by docokwy(m): 8:42pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
toluene12: Affirmative action in the United States is meant for marginalized people. Is the North marginalized in Nigeria? They have ruled more than 3/4 of the time since independence. If anyone in Nigeria deserves quota system, should it be the North? BTW, what is your opinion on the issue of rotational presidency in relation to quota system (that you support)? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 8:47pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
ndu_chucks: Please read this post below and pay attention to the highlighted The entrance requirement to secondary schools has been lowered to zero for federal schools and perhaps same for their state schools Incentives galore to attend schools,the state pays them a stipend,they pay no tuition,get free books and uniforms The state even pays for their WAEC registrations WAEC results are out Read this news from last year
So what do suggest now? WAEC requirements be scrapped in the north so they can enter the universities with whatever they score in JAMB since they have to catch up? Or do you suggest a special marking grade for northern WAEC takers? Remember the news says 17 earned qualifications to enter the university not that the 17 have scaled JAMB with enough scores in the quota to enter a university that is assuming that all 17 are interested in post secondary education o. Remember that these 18,000 WAEC sitters are the same candidates that required a zero cut off mark. Is there not a bigger problem that needs to be addressed here rather than lowering scores to nothingness for their sake? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 8:58pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
The reason Europe have more slots does not argue against my point at all . Why don't we have a Jamaican team b and team C at the 4x100m olympic relay so we can know it is about merit Europe were the FOUNDING MEMBERS of FIFA and have always had more we assume they are better but the only members of FIFA with a veto are European. Besides I am not arguing that there should be UNITY SCHOOLS.I do not necessarily agree with UNITY SCHOOLS I am saying this is the basis on which they were formed. If as a nation we do not want unity schools we should say so but there is NO OTHER REASON for the FG to be involved in secondary education. The alarmist crying about standard for admission has nothing to do with UNITY SCHOOLS. Unity schools have been around since the early seventies and the rules are NOT NEW.THe admission criteria for Universities have not been waived for anyone. The claim that entrance requirement into UNITY SCHOOLS were lowered is UNTRUE IT has always been QUOTA BASED SO by definition entrance requirement is variable. There is a limit to how many slots any one can have. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
To put my argument in perspective There has been a slight improvement in candidates’ performance in the November/December 2012 West African Senior School Certificate Examinations – with 150,615 candidates, representing 37.97 per cent of the 396,614 that wrote the examination recording credit passes in five subjects, including English and Mathematics.The above is from WAEC Pass rate for candidates in the WAEC exam generally is at 38%. pass meaning gaining minimum JAMB requirements Gombe state presents 18,000 candidates and only 17 passed, performing at less than 0.1% |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by docokwy(m): 9:13pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by edoyad(m): 9:28pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
ndu_chucks: Danwa, call a spade a spade, this policy is unfair. This situation is the crux of the problem we're facing in this country today. Is it a coincidence that the state in question, Yobe, is actually the incubator of our main security challenge today? You have an army of untrainable youths running about with nothing but religious extremism to hold on to," Blame the infidels, they're the reason you're hungry and naked". If i could digress a bit, did you read the UN report that states that it is improbable for the children of a woman with college training to grow up in poverty?What are the affected governments doing about this? Are girls being targeted for enrollment? We can sit here and talk all we want but you know that lowering standards to accommodate blockheads will only lead to poorer quality. Why not create Special Schools to train children from these areas rather than destroy fine institutions. 1 Like |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 9:31pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
If the unity part is "secondary" to "Excellence" what business does the FG have with a secondary school. What percentage of the total secondary school population in Nigeria go to these schools.less than 1% of 1% Our constitution is Clear Primary and Secondary education lie within the ambit of Local and state government. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Aafulenu(f): 9:36pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: guy u no go rest? if u like tell them a million times they wont listen. u get time to d type back and forth |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 9:38pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: There are over 50 federal owned post secondary institutions in Nigeria FYI The same quota system applies in their admissions |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 9:41pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
babyosisi:Not true.Absolute falsehood |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 9:43pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
edoyad: Do you know who the teachers of those kids in the northern state schools are? Southern youth corpers Most corpers are southerners and most serve in the north annually as teachers Some even act as vice principals and principals Fresh graduates teaching and preparing students for WAEC And every year a new batch comes in,no continuity Lowering test scores can never be the solution as the WAEC result shows Who knows,there could be people advocating that it be lowered too |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 9:45pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: What is false? The number of federal post secondary schools or the fact that northerners are admitted in federal institutions with lower scores? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 9:49pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
There are 3 tiers of criteria for admission to FGCs National merit= Winners takes all Fixed numbers State quota = slots for all states Fixed numbers Environmental quota= slots for host community/neighbouring states. Fixed numbers There is no preset qualification for the latter 2 and that is why the issue of ZERO cut off can arise. At University level these quotas do NOT exist and The basis requirement must be met 5 credits including English. So to say they are THE SAME is just wrong Universities are not unity schools . |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 9:53pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
babyosisi:"THE SAME QUOTA SYSTEM APPLIES IN FEDERAL UNIVERSITIES". This claim is false Quotas in Federal universities only exist as discretionary slots for HOST STATES and candidates must still have the basic entry requirements Many courses e.g medicine are exempted |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 10:05pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: This is an old article Enjoy Same thing obtains. A Hausa person hosing to study medicine in UNILAG will get in under the disadvantaged group with a lower score That is a reality my dear And in his own area my only shot at attending ABU is to make the merit list I will not qualify for catchment area or disadvantaged .discretionary is for man know man This is the way quota was designed to work.
http://transcampus.org/JORINDV6Jun2008/JournalsV6NO1June200823.html |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by merengue: 10:09pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Sunny_bobo: 1st ANAMBRA How is Delta an Igbo state? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 10:10pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
babyosisi:It is NOT the SAME . I would like to believe you understand the meaning of THE SAME. We are talking of Zero cut off on this thread is that the same? There is a quota in universities but it is NOT the same as in FGCs either in Principle or practice To gain admission you MUST have 5 credits and English.Is that being waved.There are always more southerners at ABU,Unimaid etc than UNN or Uniben ANYDAY |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Sunnybobo3(m): 10:11pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: That's not true mate. Universities have catchment areas which comprise of states. This states could be from different regions and they also have different cut off marks. The process is that a certain percentage is reserved for merit, followed by catchment area and then followed by Educationally less developed state. This is the process for admission into Federal Universities and NO, Medicine is not exempted. Same quota system is applied to medicine but then if you can't scale your 1st Mb, you get weeded out. |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 10:14pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: It is NOT the SAME . You argue upside down no offense Are we not talking about lowered scores too You told me it was not so in universities,I gave you proof and you throw this weak line Is it not just Yobe that had zero cutoff on that list Is Yobe the only state in the north Sheesh |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 10:15pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
Sunny_bobo:I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. The point though even if your argument is true is it is NOT THE SAME THING as the quota system for FGCs . YOU MUST GET 5 credits and that is a fundamental difference from the ZERO cut off mark for Yobe State. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. According to what you are arguing a canditate who scores 50 in JAMB can gain admission to study medicine in UNILAG if he is the only candidate from his state? Is that right? |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by Nobody: 10:20pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
aribisala0: Is there a quota system in university admissions that is designed to favor northerners Yes or no |
Re: Yobe State Has Zero Cut Off Mark For Federal School Entrance by aribisala0(m): 10:21pm On Jan 03, 2013 |
babyosisi:I do not argue upside down maybe your father does discuss that with him You made a very specific statement : "There are over 50 federal owned post secondary institutions in Nigeria FYI The same quota system applies in their admissions" which is NOT TRUE and then you try to muddy the waters by widening the argument. THe quota system is NOT THE SAME for FGCs as UNIVERSITIES You made that claim and you say you gave "proof" They are completely different systems |
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