anukulapo: Maintain the honour you have on NL sir. I think you should just go ahead and answer the question. I am sure many people are waiting on you so as to learn as usual.
If you continue with this beating around the bush approach, then I cannot but agree with image that you are loosing form.

Goshen360:
Is this your FINAL ANSWER or you want to call a friend (In this case, your friend Image123 but we are all friends, brothers and sisters in Christ anyway but Image123 knows I'm never afraid calling his I.D anytime, even bold it, that's the reason I'm being specific about your friend in this case... ); you want to ask the audience; you want to use the lifelines or you want to use your 50/50 chance which is still available for you to re-think your answer. FINAL ANSWER or you want do any of the above

anukulapo:

Okay, should a woman put scarf on or not....to cover her hair?

A direct answer to your question as pasted above is [size=20pt]YES![/size], a woman should put scarf on (as you and see evidently in all the C1 churches around you.)

HumbledbYGrace: What do we kids do when your doing this

*squards at the corner*

Goshen360:

Don't mind o my sister. Allow us to fix ourselves. We'll soon be done.... . Sure you are enjoying the Grace of God!

HumbledbYGrace: Iam humbled by the Grace...

I will let the elders be elders then

anukulapo:

@Brother Goshen,
I am sure that in the course of the many teachings you and other knowledgeable NLder have been dishing, you would have seen people who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Well...

I am still shocked at your approach to this thread and the question it raises. I am seeing it as though you have brought yourself out (on this thread) so much that you just can't walk away anymore. So for your sake,I will not answer your prankish question (since you said you would quit the thread if I don"t give my final answer--i want to use this to open a small window of this thread for you to "sneak out" if you want to ).

You are not omniscient you know? and this is a public thread and ofcourse would be on NL's Dbase forever. If you quit,please,leave a "quit note" on your way out and shake another C2 tag team member (preferably brother frosbel) to come and help you C2 out.

I am sure even Logicboy can see the truth in this logical shocking question i posted to you all.

Till I hear from you again.

Cheers

Now, kindly tell us or explain how you come to conclude in your 'C1 religious' interpretation that a woman still need scarf to cover her hair WHEN the scripture INDEED SPECIFIED 'THE HAIR IS GIVEN AS A COVER(ING) FOR HER HEAD

Image123: the premises of the eternity of the Dbases and the elderlike pants-pulling exercise.

anukulapo: @Goshen

You are so cunny in your way. I give it to you. let me say in the part A of solving this issue (the scripture part) you have done excellently (I choose to give it to you).

Now to the part B which is practicing what you preach.

Let me use logic to explain it (so that even athiest and everyother reader;skilled or unskilled in the scripture) can understand my question to you.
Maybe we(rather you) will need the help of logicboy to simplify the logic of what I am asking you .

logic:
If A. Covering=hair
Then B. Covering ≠ cap/veil.
And C. Long hair(covering) = (for) women
So D. Short hair = (for) men

If the above holds true,So it can be established that the issue is not about cap/veil but about long/short hair.

The hair being the covering is the bases for C2 women being free to use veil/hat OR not use veil/hat.

If the above statement be TRUE, and The logical explaination above (A,B,C,D) be TRUE also;

Question 1: Why then do men in C2 not dress freely and commonly with caps on as it fits their attire? (so that it would be as evident as it is in C1 that women are always on scarfs/hats)

Answer this and answer the 4 other question you have refused to answer since ELSE, I also stop responding to your post and leave readers to judge from the quality of our debates.

anukulapo:
Answer this and answer the 4 other question you have refused to answer since ELSE, I also stop responding to your post and leave readers to judge from the quality of our debates.

Goshen360:
1 Corinthians 11:3

Head of man = Christ........equ. 1
Head of women = man.........equ. 2
Head of Christ = God........equ. 3
Now, the verse 15 says "woman have (long) hair to cover her head".............equ. 4

Substitute equation 2 into equation 4, what do you have?......Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN

anukulapo:


This is a never ending story titled "stucked with goshen".

Na applied maths you study for primary school?

this your equation na strong hold oooo Let me attemp it.

1 Corinthians 11:3

Head of man = Christ........equ. 1
Head of women = man.........equ. 2
Head of Christ = God........equ. 3
Now, the verse 15 says "woman have (long) hair to cover her head".............equ. 4

Substituting equation 2 into equation 4, "woman have (long) hair to cover her head man"......Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN

The new equation will be "woman have (long) hair to cover her man"--- I am still trying to understand this new equation you want me to form from your own logic o....

"Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN"---Na this your own equation i no come understand. A covering for her husband? like a duvet

anukulapo: 1) Do all women in your church have scarfs/veils/hat on all through your worship service in your church? By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?

2) Do all men in your church have hat/cap on all through your worship service in your church? By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?

3) Do you, Bro Goshen (as a man) always have hat/cap on all through your worship service in your church."

** If your answer to question 3 is NO, please answer question 3b**

3b) Do you sometimes have cap/hat on during or all through the worship service in your church--maybe by a reason of the attire you have on.

I repeat my question from my recent post as number 4.
4) Why then do men in C2 not dress freely and commonly with caps on as it fits their attire? (so that it would be as evident as it is in C1 that women are always on scarfs/hats)

Have mercy on this thread Goshen answer these questions so that i can

anukulapo:
A direct answer to your question as pasted above is YES!, a woman should put scarf on (as you and see evidently in all the C1 churches around you.)

Goshen360:

Okay! Since you do not understand my style and perhaps you 'perceive' like I said, I was up to something with this thread. Weather you accuse me of 'thinking' I'm omniscience is your own assumption. You people think you're right in what you know also so there's no point telling another man he thinks he's omniscience.

That being said, let me get to the matter as I take it that you gave your final answer that a woman must still wear scarf or something else to cover her hair. How then do you explain this verse since the bible says something but you are the very one saying something different that scarf is still needed.

King James Version (KJV)
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
But wearing long hair is a woman’s honor. Long hair is given to the woman [size=15pt]to cover her head.[/size]

Darby Translation (DARBY)
But woman, if she have long hair, [it is] glory to her; for the long hair is given [to her] in lieu of a veil.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Doesn’t it teach you that it is a woman’s pride to wear her hair long? Her hair is given to her in place of a covering.

Good News Translation (GNT)
but on a woman it is a thing of beauty. Her long hair has been given her to serve as a covering.

J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
11-16 Of course, in the sight of God neither “man” nor “woman” has any separate existence. For if woman was made originally for man, no man is now born except by a woman, and both man and woman, like everything else, owe their existence to God. But use your own judgment, do you think it right and proper for a woman to pray to God bare-headed? Isn’t there a natural principle here, that makes us feel that long hair is disgraceful to a man, but of glorious beauty to a woman? We feel this because the long hair is the cover provided by nature for the woman’s head. But if anyone wants to be argumentative about it, I can only say that we and the churches of God generally hold this ruling on the matter.

Knox Bible (KNOX)
when a woman grows her hair long, it is an added grace to her? That is because her hair has been given her to take the place of a veil.

1 Corinthians 11:15

Now, since you claim that someone 'thinks' he is omniscience because he doesn't agree with your 'religious' interpretation of scripture and you said, "Yes, a woman still needs to use scarf to cover her hair" BUT this scripture provided above proves otherwise - so who is lying You or scriptures . I said from the beginning that the passage isn't talking about to wear or not to wear in worship places but you said otherwise in your 'C1 religious' interpretations.

Now, kindly tell us or explain how you come to conclude in your 'C1 religious' interpretation that a woman still need scarf to cover her hair WHEN the scripture INDEED SPECIFIED 'THE HAIR IS GIVEN AS A COVER(ING) FOR HER HEAD

I'm waiting

Goshen360:

Okay! Since you do not understand my style and perhaps you 'perceive' like I said, I was up to something with this thread. Weather you accuse me of 'thinking' I'm omniscience is your own assumption. You people think you're right in what you know also so there's no point telling another man he thinks he's omniscience.

That being said, let me get to the matter as I take it that you gave your final answer that a woman must still wear scarf or something else to cover her hair. How then do you explain this verse since the bible says something but you are the very one saying something different that scarf is still needed.

King James Version (KJV)
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
But wearing long hair is a woman’s honor. Long hair is given to the woman [size=15pt]to cover her head.[/size]

Darby Translation (DARBY)
But woman, if she have long hair, [it is] glory to her; for the long hair is given [to her] in lieu of a veil.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Doesn’t it teach you that it is a woman’s pride to wear her hair long? Her hair is given to her in place of a covering.

Good News Translation (GNT)
but on a woman it is a thing of beauty. Her long hair has been given her to serve as a covering.

J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
11-16 Of course, in the sight of God neither “man” nor “woman” has any separate existence. For if woman was made originally for man, no man is now born except by a woman, and both man and woman, like everything else, owe their existence to God. But use your own judgment, do you think it right and proper for a woman to pray to God bare-headed? Isn’t there a natural principle here, that makes us feel that long hair is disgraceful to a man, but of glorious beauty to a woman? We feel this because the long hair is the cover provided by nature for the woman’s head. But if anyone wants to be argumentative about it, I can only say that we and the churches of God generally hold this ruling on the matter.

Knox Bible (KNOX)
when a woman grows her hair long, it is an added grace to her? That is because her hair has been given her to take the place of a veil.

1 Corinthians 11:15

Now, since you claim that someone 'thinks' he is omniscience because he doesn't agree with your 'religious' interpretation of scripture and you said, "Yes, a woman still needs to use scarf to cover her hair" BUT this scripture provided above proves otherwise - so who is lying You or scriptures . I said from the beginning that the passage isn't talking about to wear or not to wear in worship places but you said otherwise in your 'C1 religious' interpretations.

Now, kindly tell us or explain how you come to conclude in your 'C1 religious' interpretation that a woman still need scarf to cover her hair WHEN the scripture INDEED SPECIFIED 'THE HAIR IS GIVEN AS A COVER(ING) FOR HER HEAD

I'm waiting

anukulapo: Appearance is A matter of choice but covering has always been a matter of doctrine debate.

"...but the bible didn't say so."--this is still subject to debate among we christians.

I just want to know if you put on hat/cap in church during service and if men in your church do (including the pastor).

Pope
and bishops wear cap. It's just costumes.--A religious costume that they will not by choice come on the altar without--no,not by choice. They'll always have something on their head.

HumbledbYGrace: Men are not allowed to wear anything except their hair and it must be really short...a man who keeps long hair,braided or dreadlocks is a disgrace among us

As for us woman we can do as we please to our hair

Just saying

Ubenedictus: d ones i knw must remove their caps at a certain point during worship

anukulapo: I am not clear sir . You have been using too many words for just "4" direct questions . Many of the questions just requires a YES/NO (with little explaination like mine as seen from the quote below). Be bold to give your answer with direct and little explaination if need be.


I will be so blessed if you provide direct answers to the questions.

As for this "I WONT ANSWER BASED ON WHAT IS OBTAINABLE IN MY CHURCH BUT WHAT IS OBTAINABLE FROM THE SCRIPTURES..." I reserve my comment till after you have given answers to my questions.

anukulapo: At a "certain" point you say--if it is done universally in the RCC,it would mean the moment (what ever the moment signifies) requires such (removing of their caps).
Well,I don't know much about the RCC doctrines but thanks all the same. I was only responding to Joagbaje's comment about it being a costume and I made further comments.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, did u miss ur bible study? Long hair is not d disgrace for men, femine braids is d disgrace

Goshen360:

I can't understand why you are so keen or demanding on direct answers without any biblical explanations. Oh, you just want me to say what you want to hear or what you don't like to hear. Anyway, like I said earlier, I will treat this subject with biblical explanation and not what is obtainable in traditions of men.

HumbledbYGrace: I forgot we only meet wen it comes to appearance

Happy new year

Ubenedictus: same to u! What is d meaning of d above "we alway meet wen it comes to appearance" if you gat sumtin against me then spit it out, i dont like d tune.