striktlymi: Good afternoon ooman,

I just got to my destination and I am a bit tired but I will respond as 'best' as I can given the circumstance.



I beg to disagree with the bold ooman. History and even the present do not support your claim that decisions are the result of what the majority think. I agree that some decisions are taken by a majority in some cases but this is not always the case, hence the flaw in your thought process.

I believe you know of the term: "Dominant minority". This is when a minority of people have overwhelming influence on the culture, economics and politics of a country even when they constitute a small fraction of the total population. An example of countries who have been affected by this seeming anomaly includes South Africa during the apartheid regime. So if you base your argument on vast majority then I respectfully say it is incorrect.



Wrong again...I only used the phrase: "He combined both science and sacred scriptures successfully" as an illustration to disprove the claim you made. You attempted to put science and the Bible on opposite sides and I argued that one can combine both successfully.



ooman, you and I know that the bold is very FALSE!!! You have been the one bringing up the ish between the black and the white. Take responsibility for your words and let me be responsible for mine. See evidence below:







I can limit it to Africa but the problem is your argument compares Africa with other Continents of the world. If you argue this way, I am forced to disprove your assertions in a similar way. If you want Africa then let's stop the comparison. Using words and phrases like: Developed countries, Developing countries, whites etc is not restrictive to Africa alone.

ooman:

I understand you quite well, but do you have to bring up Apartheid when we are talking about religious mentality? You brought up politics when we are debating religion, that is not very wise.

I maintain that because majority have the same view on religion, no matter how much they differ on politics, religion still influence their thoughts.

Actually, because a xtian proposed a now accepted (but questioned) theory doesnt mean he got it from the bible, so pls, science and religion better part ways, one will be limited on his thought when it is influenced by religion. I am sure Georges Lemaître would have done better if not that he was religious. Do not forget that most astronomers in recent history were killed by christians and popes of the past, because Georges Lemaître did not want to end up like Galileo and others, he refrained from proposing further theories about the non existence of a creator of the universe.

I still maintain that religious mentality is what kills africa. This is because most of the population are illiterate, the only answer they have is God did it according to his will, and so we must accept all things according to Gods will.

You ever wonder why it is that most intelligent people are irreligious or impious unlike illiterates, its because education frees you from religious influence and mentality.

Once majority of our population become educated, religion will self-eradicate and prosperity will flow.

striktlymi:

Sorry Plaetton but responding to the above would be a waste of time for some reasons:

1) Israel is a developed country but you deny this when there are facts and figures. No need to show it here. Ask some other Atheists may be you will listen to them.

2) The talk about the loan guarantee only shows that you haven't gone through the data I gave previously. Scroll to the bottom and read it again. Use your glasses this time please and you will find the answers you seek. Below is the data again.

3) Some of the points you raised are irrelevant to the discuss e.g Israel being a high tech country

4) You are derailing the thread cause the discuss is not about Israel as a country.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/US_aid_to_Israel_1946_2013.jpg

plaetton:

Derailing the thread? You were the one that asserted that Israel as one the deeply religious most economic and technologically advanced nations.
I am simply pointing out that your assertions are false and misleading.

1.By all indices, Israel is considered a developing nation, not an advanced nation.
2. Israel is a Jewish enclave with a plural population of religious, secular, agnostic and atheist population. It is not a theocracy.
3. Among the world's hightech hubs, Israel is certainly not among the tops. Pls tell us what, if any, modern technological innovation that is originally from Israel. What are the major Israeli technological exports?

Would you consider north Korea an advanced nation? After all, they build and launch their own rockets and sattelites into space. They build their own armaments, they manage their economy without any freebies, and loan guarantees from any nation. I am sure you would call them a poor backward country.

Would you consider Iran and advanced nation? Why not?

You have no idea what an advanced nation is.

I 'm pointing all these out to you, and now, you are telling me that they are irrelevant to the topic and derailing the thread.

ooman: It has been found that blacks and whites have the same number of brain cells, muscle cells etc. It has been biologically confirmed that both races belong to the same species.

But what then is wrong with the black man? why do they appear to be the least evolved, less intelligent, less developed etc?

It was found that it is only among the black community that you will find more than 99% of the population to be religious.

It was then concluded that the problem with black people is that they are too gullible, they will believe just anything. They are too religious. Religion was concluded to be the problem with black people.

ifeness:
I think 500 years of slavery and colonialism is enough to disturb the brain cells of any race. five centuries of brainwash is enough to turn people religious. Lets not forget the nigerian muslims were oppressed for 1200 years by the arabs.

MrBible:

Why was it not the blackman that colonized the Arabs and the whites, what was the blackman being doing over the years when the whites and the arabs where building a strong army and the whites were developing the technology to colonizes the black race and to dominate the world?

Logicboy03:
West Africans had fertile lands and great sunshine weather. Why would they need to travel far and wide? They were also isolated and enjoyed their farming.

MrBible:

Africa is the 2nd largest continent in the world, 2nd largest in population, only the coastal areas and those close to the rivers are the places with fertile lands. So what was the black race leaving in the non fertile areas doing during the years the whites were looking for ways to develop the technology and were trading with their neighbors and exchanging ideas to help them overcome similar situations they were facing?

Logicboy03:
I cant change you if you want to go down the route that the black man's brain is inferior and that is why Africa is the way it is. Self hating is a choice.

Logicboy03: I am talking about West Africa. You are not far from fertile land anywhere in West Africa. The nomads only had to go in a circular route to the rivers and back.

Logicboy03:
I noticed how you evaded the two other factors
-Weather; Snow means stringer houses
-trade routes; Mixing ideas/materials from different civilizations enhances technology.

MrBible:
I don't feel inferior to any race but I respect the white race for their advancement in science and technology and the simple reason for this is that the whiteman can come together and put their heads together to solve problems that will benefit the white race, while the blackman finds it hard to come together to put thiers heads together to solve problems that will benefit the black race.


You responded to my post and I wasn't referring to west Africa alone, the topic was about the blackman, if you just want to limit your post to west africa then they had their own challenges too, which would still have helped the white race to develop if they were the ones living in this part of the world.


Your factors are just a lazy man's excuse because when the white race settled in south africa they did not just say oh the weather is perfect the land is fertile and then stop their advancement in science and technology.

ooman: I think that there is no excuse for the blackman's stagnation.

Something must be done fast.

Logicboy03: I dont blame you. Keep respecting the white race like a house negro.

Logicboy03:
With the swipe of the hand, you dismiss my valid points as a lazy mans excuse.
I would like to know why you failed to mention the Asians as well. Japan is the most technologically advanced countries in the world. But no, your worship of the white man is more important than facts

ooman: I think that there is no excuse for the blackman's stagnation.

Something must be done fast.

striktlymi:

Sense making! Religion is no excuse!

MrBible:

You have just shown us the blackmans problem, not appreciating the successful hard work of others. Do you think this forum and the internet just appeared by magic?

MrBible:
Japan, China and the rest of Asia still depend on Europe and America in the area of science and technology. 25% of China's revenue goes back to Europe for research in science and technology.

Logicboy03: I see that you are quite ignorant of Japan. I would like you to research on Japan and technology.
Japan is the most technologically advanced country in the world. Even your electronics; Sony, Sharp, Futjitsu, Nikon etc are Japanese. The others; Lg and Samasung are south Korean. You must be real ignorant

Logicboy03: I dont worship people.

MrBible:

You are not exposed at all, what you don't know is that Japan still depends on America's technology, who makes aeroplanes, who dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan, who makes space shuttles, the items you mentioned are cheaper for America and Europe if they are manufacture in Japan and Asia and then shipped back to them, than for them to make it by themselves which they were doing before and were invented in Europe and America

MrBible:
That means respect and worship mean the same to you

MrBible:

You are not exposed at all, what you don't know is that Japan still depends on America's technology, who makes aeroplanes, who dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan, who makes space shuttles, [color=#990000][b]the items you mentioned are cheaper for America and Europe if they are manufactured in Japan and Asia and then shipped back to them, than for them to make it by themselves which they were doing before and were invented in Europe and America [/color][/b]



That means respect and worship mean the same to you

Logicboy03: Are you seriously arguing with facts? Japan remains the most technologically advanced country in the world. I gave you a list of top consumer electronics that are purely Japanese and South Korean companies and you are still chatting nonsense about some bomb in 1945........
Only a fool argues with evidence. Do not argue this one, abeg.

MrBible:

Like you already said earlier that we have fertile land and good whether in West Africa, now with the electronics goods you get from Japan no wonder you have concluded that west african will remain the way it is, as there is nothing for them to make them develop. You have just answered the problem with the blackman. Well done!

Logicboy03: Yawn......you have nothing. I just hope that your name is sarcastic because it would be even more foolish if you were a christian.

Demain_man: @ooman, You have really tried to make the religious see the truth of the matter but i bet you these people have been so brainwashed that they can never see your point of view and as long as that remains the mindset of most africans, i'm afraid, there shall be no meaningful development in that continent

My hope is for the day a 'free minded individual' will have the priviledge of rulling Nigeria or any part of that continent for that matter. Will that ever happen? Your guess as as good as mine

People are religious in africa not because they love GOD but because they fear HELL.

Areaboy2:
I've studied this issue extensively and have come to a number of conclusions. we are physically as developed as any other race. However, the way you bring up a child makes all the difference. The way we bring up our children is the one plague for the black man.

Wish I could sit here long enough to explain my point but i have a bad cold . When i get better i'll be back to explain

ooman:
It has been found that blacks and whites have the same number of brain cells, muscle cells etc. It has been biologically confirmed that both races belong to the same species.

But what then is wrong with the black man? why do they appear to be the least evolved, less intelligent, less developed etc?

It was found that it is only among the black community that you will find more than 99% of the population to be religious.

It was then concluded that the problem with black people is that they are too gullible, they will believe just anything. They are too religious. Religion was concluded to be the problem with black people.

Kennyking1234:
Hope the cold is gone. Please explain...