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Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by bawomolo(m): 11:21pm On Mar 18, 2008
Several weeks ago, a ground-breaking study on religious belief and social well-being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society.

Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith – measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution – with homicide and intimate behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God.

Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation.

(Teenage pregnancy has less tragic consequences than violence but it is usually unwanted, and it is frequently associated with deprivation among both mothers and children. In general, it is a Bad Thing.)

Next in line are the Norwegians, British, Germans and Dutch. At least sixty percent accept evolution as a fact and fewer than one in three are convinced that there is a deity. There is little teenage pregnancy , although the Brits, with over 40 pregnancies per 1,000 girls a year, do twice as badly as the others. Homicide rates are also low -- around 1-2 victims per 100,000 people a year.

At the other end of the scale comes America. Over 50 percent of Americans believe in God, and only 40 percent accept some form of evolution (many believe it had a helping hand from the Deity). The U.S. has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Japan.

All this information points to a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behavior -- a correlation so strong that there is good reason to suppose that religious belief does more harm than good.

At first glance that is a preposterous suggestion, given that religions preach non-violence and intimate restraint. However, close inspection reveals a different story. Faith tends to weaken rather than strengthen people’s ability to participate in society. That makes it less likely they will respect social customs and laws.

All believers learn that God holds them responsible for their actions. So far so good, but for many, belief absolves them of all other responsibilities. Consciously or subconsciously, those who are "born again" or "chosen" have diminished respect for others who do not share their sect or their faith. Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason. Their priority becomes not the world they live in but themselves.

The more people prioritize themselves rather than those around them, the weaker society becomes and the greater the likelihood of antisocial behavior. Hence gun laws which encourage Americans to see each other not as fellow human beings who deserve protection, but as potential aggressors who deserve to die. And hence a health care system which looks after the wealthy rather than the ill.

As for sex… Faith encourages ignorance rather than responsible behavior. In other countries, sex education includes contraception, reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancies. Such an approach recognizes that young people have the right to make their own choices and helps them make decisions that benefit society as a whole. In America faith-driven abstinence programs deny them that right -- "As a Christian I will only help you if you do what I say". The result is soaring rates of unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

Abstinence programs rest on the same weak intellectual foundation as creationism and intelligent design. Faith discourages unprejudiced analysis. Reasoning is subverted to rationalization that supports rather than questions assumptions. The result is a self-contained system that maintains an internal logic, no matter how absurd to outside observers.

The constitutional wall that theoretically separates church and state is irrelevant. Religion has overwhelmed the nation to permeate all public discussion. Look no further than Gary Bauer, a man who in any other western nation would be dismissed as a fanatic and who in America is interviewed deferentially on prime time television.

Despite all its fine words, religion has brought in its wake little more than violence, prejudice and intimate disease. True morality is found elsewhere. As UK Guardian columnist George Monbiot concluded in his review of Gregory Paul’s study, "if you want people to behave as Christians advocate, you should tell them that God does not exist."

I might express that another way. The flip side of Monbiot's argument is that God would be an atheist,

i think this shatters the thinking that morality is lost when societies become secular.

http://www.humaniststudies.org/enews/index.html?id=219&article=7
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by Ibime(m): 1:46am On Mar 19, 2008
Bamo, even by your standards, this is very shallow analysis.

Firstly, aetheist countries are either

(a.) Rich
(b.) Communist

Those are the factors that affect crime, not religion.

Why did you not draw your analysis against countries which have Sharia law? After all, they have the lowest crime.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by bawomolo(m): 2:05pm On Mar 19, 2008
Firstly, aetheist countries are either

(a.) Rich
(b.) Communist

ha ha, isn't the USA a pretty rich country, why isn't it on the list. the scandanavian countries are socialists and not communists. u might need to get ur facts straight. the Dutch are predominantly liberal.

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Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by 4Him(m): 4:04pm On Mar 19, 2008
The funny thing is most of the countries you name were founded on christian principles - The US and much of western Europe.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by bawomolo(m): 4:09pm On Mar 19, 2008
The funny thing is most of the countries you name were founded on christian principles - The US and much of western Europe.

the US wasn't founded on christian principles, it was founded on secular principles. Christian conservatives from the 70's are the one spreading that theory of yours. so why do u think atheist countries have less violence and crime??
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by 4Him(m): 4:29pm On Mar 19, 2008
bawomolo:

the US wasn't founded on christian principles, it was founded on secular principles. Christian conservatives from the 70's are the one spreading that theory of yours. so why do u think atheist countries have less violence and crime??

It was founded by devout christians who recognised the wisdom in separating church and state.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by bawomolo(m): 5:41pm On Mar 19, 2008

It was founded by devout christians who recognised the wisdom in separating church and state.

so where bejamin franklin, monroe, thomas jefferson etc devout christians??
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by 4Him(m): 5:46pm On Mar 19, 2008
bawomolo:

so where bejamin franklin, monroe, thomas jefferson etc devout christians??

we've been through this before. Say something else.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by Ibime(m): 8:39pm On Mar 19, 2008
bawomolo:

ha ha, isn't the USA a pretty rich country, why isn't it on the list. the scandanavian countries are socialists and not communists. u might need to get your facts straight. the Dutch are predominantly liberal.

Sharrap dia! Do you think I even bothered to read your list? So USA is not on the list? If so, USA is not on the list because although it is the richest country in the world, the rich-poor divide is too large. Crime in the US would be as a result of the 'economics of envy' - and lax gun laws.

Rich countries have no incentives to commit crime

Communist countries do not commit crime because of strict authoritarian regimes and because there is no real difference in the standard of living of the people.

Anyway, back to religion - what does aetheism have to do with reduction in crime?
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by bawomolo(m): 3:58am On Mar 20, 2008
secularism and humanism seem to have a better effect on morality that religious fanatism
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by imhotep: 9:45am On Mar 20, 2008
bawomolo:

secularism and humanism seem to have a better effect on morality that religious fanatism

Neither here nor there.

Jesus said -->

Luke 5:32

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by WesleyanA(f): 9:47am On Mar 20, 2008
more like: PREDOMINANTLY WELL DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
of course, richer countries will have lower crime rates. if the standard of living, security etc were generally high, there will be less incentive to commit crime. unlike here were the police is afraid of thieves and a lot of people are poor.

rich people also tend to slack off in faith (i think there is a parable about this in the new testament, the needle's eye i think or is it needle in the haystack).




I don't think the US is predominantly atheist. not even close. it's secular but not atheist.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by hns: 12:15pm On Mar 20, 2008
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Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by 4Play(m): 12:35pm On Mar 20, 2008
I didn't get to read Bawo's entire article but the premise is incredibly warped.Never mind the attempts to stretch stats,this is a clear example of someone mistaking correlation for causation.

The sensible thing would have been to compare like for like-the difference in crime rates between theist and atheist Japanese for instance. Its incredibly meaningless to compare,say Japan with its unique socio-cultural make up and the US with its also unique make up and history(large ethnic minority population and huge income inequality)
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by syrup(f): 6:34pm On May 24, 2008
@bawomolo,

bawomolo:

secularism and humanism seem to have a better effect on morality that religious fanatism

That statement does not even come close to bear. True, fanaticism is an ugly phenomenon - whether express religiously, politically, or atheistically. But what has history demonstrated about humanism and secularism?

I think the idea has be well laid to rest by the various contributors; particularly these two caught my attention:

(a)
4 Play:

Never mind the attempts to stretch stats,this is a clear example of someone mistaking correlation for causation.

(b)
WesleyanA:

I don't think the US is predominantly atheist. not even close. it's secular but not atheist.

Besides, dear bawomolo, just what precisely do you mean by "Atheist Countries" in your thread topic?
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by elelem(m): 1:40am On Apr 16, 2010
Your research lacks merit and is entirely false
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by richjohn1(m): 7:23am On Apr 16, 2010
@4HIM
US wasn't founded by christian principles 80% of te founding fathers were free masons/illuminati members get ur fact straight! I dont even think you know anything abt benjamin franklin, I doubt sad
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by ilosiwaju: 3:50pm On Apr 20, 2010
elelem:

Your research lacks merit and is entirely false
How so sir?
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by yestedax: 8:08am On May 11, 2011
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Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by 11after: 6:09am On Dec 19, 2011
This is incorrect. Completely false.

First, this research confuses "country" with "society". The USA is not a society. It's a country. Within a country there are multiple societies. Without knowing the religious beliefs of the convicted murders or pregnant teens, you don't know to which society they belong; therefore, your research is inconclusive at best. Also, because a persons belief system is subject to change over time, you would have to know what their beliefs were specifically at the time of the homicide or intimate act.

More food for thought: One of the major contributing factors to teen pregnancy in the U.S. is the depiction of sex in the media. Sex is everywhere on TV. Sex is used to sell clothes and news. It's in television shows - even those gears towards teens. Who controls the media in the U.S.? I promise you it's not a bunch of faithful Christians. Generally speaking, the media is liberal.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by Teediggz: 6:35pm On Dec 19, 2011
Contrary to this report Japan is a Shintoist nation with lots of Bu-dist derivatives notably Zen. The UK the highest teenage pregnancy in Europe, higher than Liberal Holland. grin
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by dmsc: 8:37am On Feb 28, 2013
11after: This is incorrect. Completely false.

More food for thought: One of the major contributing factors to teen pregnancy in the U.S. is the depiction of sex in the media. Sex is everywhere on TV. Sex is used to sell clothes and news. It's in television shows - even those gears towards teens. Who controls the media in the U.S.? I promise you it's not a bunch of faithful Christians. Generally speaking, the media is liberal.


Ok exactly how does the media CAUSE teen pregnancy? Can you show one study that backs that up? Also, you apparently haven't ever left the US because the media in Europe is WAY more "intimate" than here. It's more graphic, sex is used more frequently, it contains actual Unclothedness, etc. AND it's way less of a deal there. The world has not ended because a child has seen a woman's Tip on television! And seeing sex in the media doesn't correlate to teenagers not understanding how to use a condom there. I don't think American teenagers are any stupider, OR any more intimate, they're just less educated.





Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by POPEII: 5:14pm On Dec 10, 2013
There are no Atheist/atheism dominated countries
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by plaetton: 5:48pm On Dec 10, 2013
4Him: The funny thing is most of the countries you name were founded on christian principles - The US and much of western Europe.

What were Christian principles?

The funny thing is that most of the European countries have evolved beyond the so-called Christian principles, and have since moved on.. and that is why they are examplary today.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by plaetton: 6:06pm On Dec 10, 2013
Teediggz: Contrary to this report Japan is a Shintoist nation with lots of Bu-dist derivatives notably Zen. The UK the highest teenage pregnancy in Europe, higher than Liberal Holland. grin

First, Shintoism is not a custodial religion. It is more of a philosophical system with symbolic rituals.
Shintoism does not acknowledge the existence of a custodial deity. It is more of a codification of cultural practices from Japanese antiquity.
So, Japanese are bona fide atheists.

As for teen pregnancy in the Uk, a simple statistical analysis shows that most cases of teen pregnancy are among black British teens, notably of Carribean descent. The mains reasons being economic deprivation , as well as religious and cultural factors.
The highest levels of births outside marriage in the Uk, more than 60 per cent, were among Black British mothers.

So, here again, religion and economic status confirm the op's theme.
Re: Predominantly Atheist Countries Have Lowest Crime Rate According To Study by plaetton: 6:08pm On Dec 10, 2013
Ibime:

Sharrap dia! Do you think I even bothered to read your list? So USA is not on the list? If so, USA is not on the list because although it is the richest country in the world, the rich-poor divide is too large. Crime in the US would be as a result of the 'economics of envy' - and lax gun laws.

Rich countries have no incentives to commit crime

Communist countries do not commit crime because of strict authoritarian regimes and because there is no real difference in the standard of living of the people.

Anyway, back to religion - what does aetheism have to do with reduction in crime?

What are the communist countries on the list?
Aside from North Korean, do we still have communist countries?

You don't seem to know the difference between a socialist country and a communist country.
What a shame.

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