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What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by alfaman2: 10:34am On Mar 04, 2013
It seems to me that everybody (maybe not the yorubas) want to be on their own. Northerners want their own country with their sharia laws. Easterners had always wanted independence and have even fought a bloody war for that. Even the so called minorities are clamouring for self determination. MEND, Middle belt youths, etc.
So why are we still together? Is the yorubas holding everybody to ransom or are there some other forces that I don't understand?
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by belovedaja(m): 10:43am On Mar 04, 2013
Because of you
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by gramci: 11:55am On Mar 04, 2013
Crude oil
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by happitech: 12:02pm On Mar 04, 2013
I think 2015. Tank God for d arrval of apc
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PointB: 12:06pm On Mar 04, 2013
Balls lacking in the new entrants for separation; Igbos restrategising. The usual suspect plugging in the middle looking for who to back-stab in their famed characteristic.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by ziga: 12:18pm On Mar 04, 2013
alfaman2: It seems to me that everybody (maybe not the yorubas) want to be on their own. Northerners want their own country with their sharia laws. Easterners had always wanted independence and have even fought a bloody war for that. Even the so called minorities are clamouring for self determination. MEND, Middle belt youths, etc.
So why are we still together? Is the yorubas holding everybody to ransom or are there some other forces that I don't understand?

The Yorubas must be so strong to be holding all these other groups together.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Beaf1: 12:33pm On Mar 04, 2013
Nigeria will only disintegrate in your dreams. You are born in Nigeria just like your grandparents. Your children and grantchildren will be born in Nigeria. Stop being a lazy azz Make good use of your time/life, you have no control over what happened in the past and what will happen tomorrow.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PROUDIGBO(m): 12:42pm On Mar 04, 2013
What's holding Nigeria together is the thieving elite and ruling class from ALL regions/ethnicities; it's also because of these same people that we're yet to sit down at a round table to address fundamental issues facing us and restructure this country.

They are the ones enjoying this 'one Nigeria'; cutting deals and feathering their nests for the present and later generations of their families to pig-out on for life! More than 100 million Nigerians are suffering with the status-quo, and these are the hidden and silent majority that would gain from a sovereign national conference that would bring about a new way of doing things......not necessarily to break up the country.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by alfaman2: 1:08pm On Mar 04, 2013
ziga:

The Yorubas must be so strong to be holding all these other groups together.

You mean they need other people to survive? They are not capable of self-sustainance?
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Geomac: 1:14pm On Mar 04, 2013
PROUD-IGBO:
What's holding Nigeria together is the thieving elite and ruling class from ALL regions/ethnicities; it's also because of these same people that we're yet to sit down at a round table to address fundamental issues facing us and restructure this country.

They are the ones enjoying this 'one Nigeria'; cutting deals and feathering their nests for the present and later generations of their families to pig-out on for life! More than 100 million Nigerians are suffering with the status-quo, and these are the hidden and silent majority that would gain from a sovereign national conference that would bring about a new way of doing things......not necessarily to break up the country.

+100

You got it right.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by nduchucks: 1:15pm On Mar 04, 2013
@Nwanne Igboman

+100%

cool

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Onlytruth(m): 5:31pm On Mar 04, 2013
PROUD-IGBO:
What's holding Nigeria together is the thieving elite and ruling class from ALL regions/ethnicities; it's also because of these same people that we're yet to sit down at a round table to address fundamental issues facing us and restructure this country.

They are the ones enjoying this 'one Nigeria'; cutting deals and feathering their nests for the present and later generations of their families to pig-out on for life! More than 100 million Nigerians are suffering with the status-quo, and these are the hidden and silent majority that would gain from a sovereign national conference that would bring about a new way of doing things......not necessarily to break up the country.

Yes, BUT you would also agree that there are powerful forces within Nigeria (perhaps not more than three men) that are basically holding everybody hostage in that country. The rest of the country is beholden to these men who hold enormous powers of life and death, as well as carrots. If you refuse to be paid with the carrots, you may die. So, most simply take the carrot and keep quiet even while mortgaging the future of their own children. They console themselves by sending their children overseas with the money they got from these few evil men holding Nigeria hostage. Nobody knew how tenuous Iraq was until Saddam Hussein died. The whole of North Africa is yet to settle down after Gaddafi's death. Nigeria will unravel the same way, for good or for bad. Either way, don't blame the whole country yet, at least until these few evil men go the way of Saddam and Gadaffi.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Nobody: 6:08pm On Mar 04, 2013
Nigeria is not nairaland! People don't 8 themselves as much in real life as on here.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Feedmemore(f): 6:57pm On Mar 04, 2013
^^^^Keep deceiving yourself....

If Nigerians don't hate themselves in real life, why is it that when an Igbo person is appointed to a ministerial position or head any government parastatal or even military post for that matter, some tribes especially the north, whine, bawl, Bleat, groan that Igbo's are being favored, despite the fact that they have been short-changed for the better part of it's (Nigeria) existence.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Nobody: 7:01pm On Mar 04, 2013
@OP

Who's holding you back from leaving?? grin

All you need is the staff of Moses and tell GEJ to let your people go...

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by Nobody: 7:07pm On Mar 04, 2013
Feed me more: ^^^^Keep deceiving yourself....

If Nigerians don't hate themselves in real life, why is it that when an Igbo person is appointed to a ministerial position or head any government parastatal or even military post for that matter, some tribes especially the north, whine, bawl, Bleat, groan that Igbo's are being favored, despite the fact that they have been short-changed for the better part of it's (Nigeria) existence.

How about Igbos learning how to play the game of how to be relevant in the secheme of things in real life and not on nairaland??

All the regional parties just came together to form a pseudo-opposition party - the North came in as a block with CPC, SW came in as a block with ACN - however APGA(the Igbo regional party) had to be divided into two factions - one for APC and the other for PDP... Yet you lot talk about people cheating Igbos... Igbos are the ones cheating themselves in Nigeria...

I'm sure Nri Priest and Chino are going to invade this thread soon to tell us how Omanbala people are the superior Igbos and why Onitsha people will never rule Anambra loool..

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by dayokanu(m): 7:10pm On Mar 04, 2013
alfaman2:

You mean they need other people to survive? They are not capable of self-sustainance?

You should know the people that need others to survive, the ones who cant stay in their region and need to migrate en masse everytime to other regions.

If Naija disintegrate, And they send them back to their caves how would they survive without killing each other off?

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by jude2011: 7:53pm On Mar 04, 2013
Take it or leave it. Nigeria will never disintegrate so long as there oil, it is one nigeria and when the oil is gone u hear a different thing. The main reason gowon fought the war was because of oil. If not 4 oil nigeria would have been history cos the north would not want 2 share it revenue from agric export e.g groundnut and cotton.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PROUDIGBO(m): 8:23pm On Mar 04, 2013
dayokanu:

You should know the people that need others to survive, the ones who cant stay in their region and need to migrate en masse everytime to other regions.

If Naija disintegrate, And they send them back to their caves how would they survive without killing each other off?

^^^Lagos -by far- is the major reason people 'migrate' to the south west; or are you saying Yorubas from other south west states don't migrate to Lagos as well? Are you also saying Yorubas don't migrate to Abuja as well, seeing as it's the political capital of Nigeria (and the place money is 'shared' through different means....both legitimate and crooked)?

Get real mate!
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PROUDIGBO(m): 9:00pm On Mar 04, 2013
dayokanu: Is political capital the reason we have more ibo in Ibadan than Yorubas in Enugu. More Ibos in Ogun statethan in Imo. Or which capital makes ibo flood to kano maiduguri jos yola sokoto etc

Bloody leeches

^^^What studies/data are you relying on to posit that there are more Igbos in Ibadan and Ogun than there are Yorubas in Enugu, Onitsha, Owerri, Port Harcourt, Bonny and Warri? Igbos are industrious and go where there's an opening for business; they are the ethnic group -more than any other in Nigeria- that are putting their money (and some may argue- lives) where their mouth is regarding this 'one Nigeria' project.

If Nigeria were to disintergrate tomorrow, each ethnic group would have their destiny in their hands and would not be held down or have their future tied to or determined by hateful bastards like you.....this would open up loads of new economic opportunities and frontiers for all (Ndigbo inclusive) in their respective regions; you would see confederations (or countries) like Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Igboland (or Biafra), Delta, Benue, etc, being able to use their own resources like Oil/Gas, Agriculture, Tourism, Sea/River Ports, International Airports, Sporting Prowess, Academics, Commercial/Industrial ingenuity, etc.....they would be able to use these resources primarily for their own benefit and as they please without waiting for instructions from Abuja; they would be able to attract FDIs better because they would be better able to manage issues like terrorism and armed robbery better (armed robbery being the resultant effect of a non-inclusive and poor economy, would then reduce to the barest minimum like we had it b/4 the civil war).

So if you think a disintergrated Nigeria would work against Igbo interests, think again mate! Of course there would be teething problems at first what with issues of investments in other regions, but this would be a nationwide issue not peculiar to Igbos alone and an agreement would be reached by all parties involved for an amicable seperation.

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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by gratiaeo(m): 9:22pm On Mar 04, 2013
Yorubas are the problem because of their wickedness and media propaganda...
If Nigeria disintegrate who ll buy their land and give them money 4 owambe again, so you see why they will not support Nigeria disintegration
The only people who will sell their ancestral land and relocate to Badagry
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by aljharem(m): 9:32pm On Mar 04, 2013
PROUD-IGBO:


^^^What studies/data are you relying on to posit that there are more Igbos in Ibadan and Ogun than there are Yorubas in Enugu, Onitsha, Owerri, Port Harcourt, Bonny and Warri? Igbos are industrious and go where there's an opening for business; they are the ethnic group -more than any other in Nigeria- that are putting their money (and some may argue- lives) where their mouth is regarding this 'one Nigeria' project.

If Nigeria were to disintergrate tomorrow, each ethnic group would have their destiny in their hands and would not be held down or have their future tied to or determined by hateful bastards like you.....this would open up loads of new economic opportunities and frontiers for all (Ndigbo inclusive) in their respective regions; you would see confederations (or countries) like Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Igboland (or Biafra), Delta, Benue, etc, being able to use their own resources like Oil/Gas, Agriculture, Tourism, Sea/River Ports, International Airports, Sporting Prowess, Academics, Commercial/Industrial ingenuity, etc.....they would be able to use these resources primarily for their own benefit and as they please without waiting for instructions from Abuja; they would be able to attract FDIs better because they would be better able to manage issues like terrorism and armed robbery better (armed robbery being the resultant effect of a non-inclusive and poor economy, would then reduce to the barest minimum like we had it b/4 the civil war).

So if you think a disintergrated Nigeria would work against Igbo interests, think again mate! Of course there would be teething problems at first what with issues of investments in other regions, but this would be a nationwide issue not peculiar to Igbos alone and an agreement would be reached by all parties involved for an amicable seperation.

These are not igbo territories though undecided
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PROUDIGBO(m): 10:20pm On Mar 04, 2013
alj harem:

These are not igbo territories though undecided

^^^While Port Harcourt has a large Igbo presence, i actually used those examples to tell him that Yorubas also leave the south west for economic reasons....he was trying to make it look like it's just Igbos that leave their place and can be found in other regions.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by T9ksy(m): 10:22pm On Mar 04, 2013
alj harem:

These are not igbo territories though undecided

They are ibo territories o, afterall wasn't it the ibos who developed the area?

Just as they developed abuja, lagos (ref. Ladipo mkt), kano, Kaduna ati bebelo.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by PROUDIGBO(m): 10:35pm On Mar 04, 2013
T9ksy:

They are ibo territories o, afterall wasn't it the ibos who developed the area?

Just as they developed abuja, lagos (ref. Ladipo mkt), kano, Kaduna ati bebelo.

^^^Ahhh!!! Thanks man.....kind words indeed. smiley

Cheers.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by aljharem(m): 10:45pm On Mar 04, 2013
PROUD-IGBO:


^^^While Port Harcourt has a large Igbo presence, i actually used those examples to tell him that Yorubas also leave the south west for economic reasons....he was trying to make it look like it's just Igbos that leave their place and can be found in other regions.

Just like Yorubas leave the SW for Kwara and Kogi which is geographically North but ethnically Yorubas undecided

Mentioning Warri makes it sound like it is ethnically non-Yoruba lipsrsealed
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by saintohia: 3:40am On Mar 05, 2013
Hey folks, stay on topic.


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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by saintohia: 3:57am On Mar 05, 2013
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What is holding Nigeria back from disintegrating are those benefiting from the status quo.

Note that this includes both, very few Nigerians and the West ( those that originally set up Project Nigeria), now includes the entire West.

The third group is the most annoying, the 3rd is Ordinary Nigerians. They are the ones suffering from the so called one Nigeria and refused to take action by starting a revolution.

And the greatest problem is that the 3rd group refused to react for the fear of the unknown, because those that've got the nerves to initiate it, don't want to be betrayed.

Always remember that only initiating a revolution, would force those supporting and benefiting from the status quo to start thinking ...


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Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by cfours: 4:31am On Mar 05, 2013
Onlytruth:

Yes, BUT you would also agree that there are powerful forces within Nigeria (perhaps not more than three men) that are basically holding everybody hostage in that country. The rest of the country is beholden to these men who hold enormous powers of life and death, as well as carrots. If you refuse to be paid with the carrots, you may die. So, most simply take the carrot and keep quiet even while mortgaging the future of their own children. They console themselves by sending their children overseas with the money they got from these few evil men holding Nigeria hostage. Nobody knew how tenuous Iraq was until Saddam Hussein died. The whole of North Africa is yet to settle down after Gaddafi's death. Nigeria will unravel the same way, for good or for bad. Either way, don't blame the whole country yet, at least until these few evil men go the way of Saddam and Gadaffi.

you and your foolish comments all over Nairaland.
Last time I checked, Hussein fell under Bush and USA which waged a decade long war in that country! the place is 100x worse now.
Obama went boasting to the whole world after killing Gadaffi not so long ago. that country is about to turn into a hell hole.
so, if you are praying for Nigeria to be invaded by USA, I'm sorry but you will be very disappointed. Things will get WORSE not better.
let's not forget that USA role in getting rid of African leaders (Patrice Lumumba, Nkrumah etc) or meddling with african affairs is not new.
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by cfours: 4:47am On Mar 05, 2013
@ topic,


to answer your question, the reason Nigeria hasn't disintegrated is that our government hasn't been weakened enough to the point of disintegrating. But the fact that such an idea is looming around means that we are quite weak. hopefully we will be able to rebound. Trust me, If boko haram, MEND, massob and other rebel groups overpower the country and destroy it, things will not be pretty. we will turn into an actual failed state like Somalia.

most of us here are confusing the strength of govt with goodness of govt. a country's unity is mostly predicated on its strength NOT its goodness. a country can be very corrupt but if it is strong, nothing will happen to disintegrate it. ex China. i'm sure USA would love to invade or destroy it like Iraq. But China has an extremely STRONG government despite the corruption and inequality, it won't disintegrate anytime soon. Even USA is scared to touch it upon how much they love to criticize china, they can't invade it. talkless of small rebel, secessionist groups that will be squelched before they even appear. Imagine groups like boko haram, MASSOB etc in China. they will all be executed in the twinkling of an eye grin that's a very strong government.

Even the best government in the world if it becomes weak will fail and disintegrate. ex. Imagine a country like USA without its terrorism laws.
USA is very strong even though they love to tout "freedom of speech" etc. make any anti-govt moves, you will find yourself on terrorist list and jailed with immediate effect. that is a strong govt.
boko haram, mend, massob etc all these rebel groups are just symptoms of weakening govt. they will not be tolerated in a country with strong govt
ex. can you imagine Boko Haram or MASSOB existing under ABACHA? grin
so, being good/corrupt free is not enough. most importantly, a govt needs to be strong and ready to squelch internal rebel groups. otherwise, it will not be able to exist at all. it will disintegrate.
a govt should also be able to have a diplomatic relationship with stronger foreign powers of course. you need to be able to defend yourself from outside invaders and please/humble yourself before the powerful first world countries otherwise, they will teach you a lesson (as per iraq, libya etc).
Re: What Is Stopping Nigeria's Disintegration. by alfaman2: 8:58am On Mar 05, 2013
I am yet to see a yorubaman call for, support, or act towards disintegration.

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