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Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by mrtnt: 12:32am On Apr 03, 2013
Hi all. Pls I need help! Just gt a naija used 99 Toyota Rav4 & while making arrangmnt 2 do general servicing, my mechanic observd normal engine oil is what d former owner hs bn using inside d Power steering reservoir. He further maintained dat it's an indication d former owner hs had some problem wt d steering b4 now. He then said he'l need 2 work on (or buy) what he called steering rack.

My issues are:
1. Is there anythng called steering rack? And where is it located? Do they work on it or beta 2 buy another one altogether?
2. Could he be true wt his claims?
3. Attemptin 2 start using d real power steering fluid, wont there be further problems?
4. D SRS airbag indicator light stays on permanently on instrument cluster & since there's an airbag directly on d steering, could it be true indication dat d steering hs bn worked on, hence d srs light stays on?
5. Whenever he steers d wheel full 2 either sides u'll hear some funny sound. Is dis sufficient 2 say d steering or rack hs problem: besides, he hs proposed 2 also change d shaft heads (not d entire shaft)

Pls urgent advice & suggestns wil b highly appreciated. Tks in adv.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by Nobody: 7:56am On Apr 03, 2013
mrtnt: Hi all. Pls I need help! Just gt a naija used 99 Toyota Rav4 & while making arrangmnt 2 do general servicing, my mechanic observd normal engine oil is what d former owner hs bn using inside d Power steering reservoir

How did your mechanic come to the conclusion there's engine oil in the power steering reservoir? By the color or smell? You need to ask him, and get a second opinion. Are you currently having power steering issues?

mrtnt: 1. Is there anythng called steering rack? And where is it located? Do they work on it or beta 2 buy another one altogether?

The steering rack is the component that links the steering wheel to the front wheels, via the steering column. It's underneath the front of the car, usually bolted to the subframe.

I don't understand your question though. Why does your mechanic want to "work on it"? Please refer to my above query.


mrtnt:
2. Could he be true wt his claims?

I think he's telling you a pack of lies. Hence I've suggested you seek a second opinion, from a reputable garage. You're not being very clear here though - are you having any power steering issues? Stiffness? Leaks? Excessive movement (play)?

mrtnt: 3. Attemptin 2 start using d real power steering fluid, wont there be further problems?

What further problems? You haven't mentioned any problems you're currently having. You took your Toyota RAV4 in for routine maintenance / servicing, so.......? I have no idea what you're on about. I bet your mechanic has no idea what he himself is on about either.

mrtnt: 4. D SRS airbag indicator light stays on permanently on instrument cluster & since there's an airbag directly on d steering, could it be true indication dat d steering hs bn worked on, hence d srs light stays on?

If the airbag warning is on, the obvious thing to do would be to have the SRS scanned for fault codes. It could well be a bad controller, deployed airbag, (stuffed back into the horn pad, it does happen in Nigeria) bad crash sensors, or even faulty wiring / airbag slip ring.

OBD has made it easier to diagnose without scanning. Your making life hard for yourself, get it scanned. Yes, it's possible the steering wheel has been removed and replaced, and the airbag clock spring was rotated while the wheel was off, or it could be completely unrelated. A faulty rack will not cause airbag issues.


mrtnt: 5. Whenever he steers d wheel full 2 either sides u'll hear some funny sound. Is dis sufficient 2 say d steering or rack hs problem: besides, he hs proposed 2 also change d shaft heads (not d entire shaft)

I'm getting more confuzzled here - when who turns the wheel either side? Do you hear any odd noises when you're using the car, or is your mechanic trying his hardest to scare you with noises that may not actually exist?

You say your mechanic's "proposed" to replace both outer constant velocity joints. A good mechanic does not "propose", that smacks of indecision on his part. I can see trial and error starting here.

You tell me - when you're driving, do you hear any "funny" sounds yourself? Naturally without your mechanic telling you what to listen out for?
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by autofreak2020(m): 3:49pm On Apr 03, 2013
@Sienna, please i need your help with respect to career that i am about to embark on in the next few months. I am an undergraduate of mechanical engineering wishing to pursue a career in automotive engineering, i learned basic auto repair during my industrial training in an auto workshop here in lagos because i dont want to end up like those theoretical/paper engineers we have in Nigeria.
I am new in this forum, but i pretty respect your views as far as cartalk section of this forum is concerned, i wish i could become an automotive genius like you before i turn 26 years. Please, i would pretty appreciate it if i could communicate with you via other means except nairaland because i hate to discuss anything that has something to do with my career and personality in a public field, my email address is abimbz1960@gmail.com.
I'm anxiously waiting for your reply bro.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by Nobody: 6:42pm On Apr 03, 2013
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Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by mrtnt: 1:59pm On Apr 04, 2013
Tks Siena 4 ur prompt & detailed response. My wife is actually wt d ride & hv nt really mastered some things abt it unlike d one she's used to. Now based on ur suggestn I directed her seek another mechanic opinion who I only spoke wt on phone 2 confirm some of ur quest.



RE:

1, 2 & 5. There's actually a leakage around d steerin host & he (d mechanic) had said he wil 1st replace d seal: dis he called gear box seal. And dat he propose 2 work on d rack due to a kind of 'huuuuuu' noise (pardon me, dont know d right technical word) it makes while steering d wheel.


Learnt also d mechanic suspected d engine oil is inside d power steering reservior by its thickness. That was why he claimed d former owner would hv deliberately done dis 2 minimise d just-noticed leakage i.e using thicker oil than lighter fluid dat leaks faster.

Also, dat d steering wheel is like shifting or not properly seated when driving.

And while still test driving, if he cuts d wheel full to either side, there's also a kind of 'ka ka ka ka' sound.

All these, I think, are d observed issues while he's proposing his 'magic'.

4. We'll see what we do on d SRS scan as u adv.

However, u did mention OBD & diagnosing without scanning. Pls shed more light on dis sir.

And pls, can I hv ur email addr 2 send in d audio converstatn wt d mechanic probably 4 clearer understanding & asking more personal issues stil on dis ride. If u post here pls buzz me to tnt.globalresources@gmail.com

Tks all.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by cretin: 8:04pm On Apr 04, 2013
i suspect ur steering rack seal is leaking..so the former owner used thicker oil to minimize the leak...i recommend u change the rack and also look at ur pump while at it...some mechanics claim to be able to fix such a leak...by removing the rack and working on it...i know some1 who tried that n its abt 5months now, no leaks..

remeber to bleed off air in the steering pump/reservoir whenever u change the fluid...that is what usually causes the leak in the first place
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by Alldruns: 9:49pm On Apr 04, 2013
i think i'm learning some great things here. Pls keep d educative info following.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by AutoQuint: 10:02am On Apr 07, 2013
Your case is familiar with the roadsides. they do suggest things out of non tests. I will advice the followings:

Find a second opinion by asking for the tests below.
Carry out leakage tests on Steering Pump to see if there is any leakage in the steering system.
Check if the leakage is also coming from the steering rack (there is a unit called steering rack).

If there are no leakages go ahead and use your car. Engine oil is a recovery oil for steering if the steering oil is not available in the immediate environment, It also have no damaging effect on your steeringability except for heavy operation instead of soft steers.
It is not ideal to turn steering fully to the end except during pressure tests and most steering will make funny noise if the steering pump belt is weak.

However you need a diagnostics fast on your SRS light.
It is dangerous to carry SRS for long because it may mean the followings:
1. Bad functioning units like Actuator, sensors,etc.
2. Accident repair without attention to the SRS,
3. A disconnected SRS system.

If the problem is from 3., you don't have to worry. It simply shows that your car is no longer using SRS functions.
If it is 1. and 2. You need to carry it to a competent person for checks. so that you do not get blasted on top speed by a faulty SRS System.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by Nobody: 1:17pm On Apr 07, 2013
AutoQuint:
Engine oil is a recovery oil for steering if the steering oil is not available in the immediate environment, It also have no damaging effect on your steeringability except for heavy operation instead of soft steers.

Urrrm, no. I'm not doubting your credentials, but this advice is far from sound. Why would you advice anyone to run engine oil in place of power assisted steering fluid?? The seals in the assisted rack and vane pump are designed specifically for ATF, LHM fluid, mineral oil etc. Not to cope with heavy oil used for engines.

The excessive pressure generated by thicker oil will most likely rupture the rack seals, especially if full lock is used. The best advice, if the CORRECT fluid is not available, is to remove the vane pump drive belt, (assuming it's separate from the main serpentine belt) so the pump is no longer driven. Of course, more effort will be required to steer the car at low speeds, but that's a better option than running 20W-50 in the system.

A steering rack seal rupture in a hot engine bay, with red-hot headers is a recipe for a barbequed car. Steering control, or lack of is a safety concern. If there's no way to remove the drive belt from the vane pump, the smartest (and dare I say wisest) thing to do would be to get the vehicly recovered.
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by mrtnt: 10:18pm On Apr 07, 2013
I'm feeling u guys. Tks sirs. Already seeking 2nd opinion..... But I think I'm also picking sweet things on dis thread. Pls keep it flowing....
Re: Urgent Help! Engine Oil Inside Power Steering Resevoir: Rav4 by Mrjam3zBond007: 8:25am On Apr 23, 2013
siena pls i need your advise .... can a 3s engine be used as a swap for a rav4 engine (2002Model)

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