From_Guiriga:
As a representative, how come he did not heal the child, like Jesus said that those could do if they believe? He did say they would do greater works...

ijawkid:

Even Jesus was never refered to by the bolded............

italo:

But Abraham, Paul and John were referred to as "Fathers."

What is wrong in following these examples?

ijawkid:

Did you see adjective used by your ilks??.......HOLY.??.....they caLl him holy FAther........

ijawkid: Can you give me one good reason why a title that is reserved for the almighty alone be arrogated to one sinful imperfect man??............

ijawkid: Besides apostle was like a Father to those whom he helped learn the truth and not anybodys Father......no one ran around paul calling Him holy Father.........

From_Guiriga:
As a representative, how come he did not heal the child, like Jesus said that those could do if they believe? He did say they would do greater works...

italo:

Oh...so now it is the Pope you will accuse us of worshiping...not just Mary, statues, rosaries, candles etc.

You sound like the Pharisees. The more Jesus went about doing good, the more they found one fault or the other.

deebrain:

Im moved to call u a baby chicken but i would restrain myself. Did u actually read what i posted before talking? If u, on yr own, listed mary etc that u are also known to worship these things-is that not a pointer that something is wrong with u people? I did not even mention anything regarding those things-its the pope issue im focussed on. I will not restrain myself to say u are as blind as a bat because I COMMENDED THE POPE FOR HIS GESTURES AND HUMILITY TO DATE-HE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT A CHURCH LEADER SHOULD BE LIKE. He is a good man BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM GOD!

ijawkid:

Did you see adjective used by your ilks??.......HOLY.??.....they caLl him holy FAther........

Can you give me one good reason why a title that is reserved for the almighty alone be arrogated to one sinful imperfect man??............

Besides apostle was like a Father to those whom he helped learn the truth and not anybodys Father......no one ran around paul calling Him holy Father.........

italo:

...And who has made him God?

deebrain:

When u give an expression, attention, or activity u would normally give to God to something else, u have made that thing God. Start reading from the begining of the thread.

MsDarkSkin:


omg..i'm so not gonna laugh.

you are so wrong for this!!

italo:

Okay, so your problem is not that the Pope is called "Father", but because "Holy" is added to it?



I dont see where it was mentioned that the title "Holy Father" is reserved for God alone. Can you please show me?

And I see where the Bible calls many people "Holy"...and they were all sinners. Is the Bible sinful too?



Was Abraham also "like a father" or "Father?"

If he was "Father Abraham," was he Holy Father Abraham or Sinful Father Abraham?

Ubenedictus: so you are not aware that the bible calls xtians "the holy ones"?

ijawkid:

literally speaking Abraham was a Father...he gave birth to a whole generation...your pope is just an imperfect celibate....Jesus says call no one Father....do u guys have dust in your ears?...

ijawkid: only God deserves that title....Jesus even would refuse such titles..but as usual your proud popes would gladly accept it....

ijawkid:



so that means iI should start calling you with title HOLY?



HOLY ubenedictus...lol...



its like saying that because the scriptures says ye are gods,i should then start calling u god ubenedictus....


besides why should the pope be called your Father?..did he in anyway sire you?....

italo:

In the Bible, God is known as the "Bridegroom" of his "bride," Israel.

According to you, using the expression "bridegroom" to describe men who are getting married means making them God.

God is referred to as "Lord" so using that expression for a judge in a law court means making him/her God.

Very very poor and wrong thinking.


I have read the thread from the beginning and I havent seen anyone that has made the Pope God. Show me who.

deebrain:

When u give an expression, attention, or activity u would normally give to God to something else, u have made that thing God. Start reading from the begining of the thread.

deebrain:

Very very poor and terrible sight u have. The starter of the thread (i wont state names) mentioned in the first page that the pope is "the representative of jesus christ" which sparked off an issue since as some of u are now acknowledging that we are all holy people SO THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A SINGULAR REPRESENTATIVE OF JESUS-WE ARE ALL REPRESENTATIVES. Someone now talked of the pope as "our holy father" which is d title of reference given to God now given to d pope.

deebrain:

When u give an expression, attention, or activity u would normally give to God to something else, u have made that thing God. Start reading from the begining of the thread.

deebrain: Unless u call the pope "our holy father" because of mere courtesy because of his status as head of a church, calling him "our holy father" because to u, u think he is more holier than u and is now yr mediator to God-IS WORSHIPING HIM AS GOD (jesus christ).

deebrain: U people are hypocrites! Why then did members of the catholic church and CAN denounce Rev. King (irrespective of his personality)for giving a title "his holiness" among his names? Since u now say there is nothing wrong with d pope bearing it? What makes the pope more different than any global general overseer?

From_Guiriga:
As a representative, how come he did not heal the child, like Jesus said that those could do if they believe? He did say they would do greater works...

italo:

I dont get you. Can we call men "Father" or can we not?

italo:

But Jesus was called "Eternal Father" in Isaiah 9:6, even though he was celibate. Show me where he refused the title.

italo:
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Also, you havent shown me where God said "Holy Father is a title only reserved for him." Or were you just lying as usual?

italo:

Was Father Abraham "Holy Father Abraham" or "Sinful Father Abraham?"

italo:

"Lord," "Father," "Bridegroom" etc...(and there are many more) These are all titles of reference given to God.Are you still standing by this statement of yours?



If so, why do you ascribe these titles to men?



How do you know that I believe the Holy Father is holier than me and that I worship him as God? Show me where I or any other Catholic has ever said that the Pope is holier than anybody else and we worship him as God. You guys just make assumptions in your head and say that is what Catholics believe. If you will hate our beliefs, at least hate our true beliefs. Dont hate what you have wrongly concocted in your brains and call them our beliefs.



Show me evidence of Catholics denouncing Rev. King for calling himself "His Holiness."

And bear in mind that what individual Catholics say may not be the official Church position.

Chukskalidon:
Did u attend primary education at all?

1MCN:
It's so sad that this generation look for signs and wonders alone and this singular disposition and ideology has derailed more christians than scandals and blasphemy and heresy all put together, and the only sign they'd see is that of Jonah says Christ.
How come we only believe it's only when we touch a sick and they are healed then we can say even greater things than Christ have they done. Christianity is a rich stew of talents and gifts and apostolate. We heal by songs, show of charity, exhortation, teaching, exorcism, etc.
Even Paul admitted that he was not called to baptize. I wonder how that sounds to you.

italo:

Grow up.

From_Guiriga:
You sound hostile bro. But why don't you answer the question with reason?

If you cannot get around it then it's cool. But don't insult me because you don't have and answer.

deebrain:

We are the light of the world but we know who we are talking about if someone asked "who is the light of the world?". We are all sons of God but everybody knows when someone asks "who is d son of God?". And like i said before, courtesy allows people to bare divine titles without the actual strings of that title attached.

deebrain: Yr last paragraph made me rest my case because it means the extremism some of u display may not be associated with the church itself so i would let it pass (the thought of a very respected cardinal based in lagos in 2007, blasting rev king for his divine titles then and what u give yr "holy father" is just laughable).

deebrain: Dont u think the pope can have faults? Dont u think he has weaknesses?

ijawkid:

Don't you get Jesus' words??.....don't arrogate that title to any man....your habitual naming of an imperfect man(in the religious context) Father is an anathema....Jesus clearly told us that.....


I hope you could remember Jesus said call no one Father except the oga at the top who is the Father of all...no one ran around Jesus calling him holy Father...it was the surrogate role Jesus was to play that earned him that name......besides that is not Jesus' name.... That is why through out the new testament no one called him Father!!!!!...... the names and titles Jesus was called when on earth was, the messiah,the son of the holy ONE,the son of man,the Christ,son of God.......

Jesus said it.....Jesus said call no one,ot even himself Father....more or else HOLY Father.......

ijawkid: Your question is rigid....why don't you just ask if abraham was a Father............

Besides I can't remember in the scriptures where abraham was called Holy Father..but you call that pope holy Father.....what blasphemy......

ijawkid: Did the pope in any way sire you??.......even those who are of the same age with the pope call him holy Father......

italo:

You mean Isaiah lied and sinned when he called Jesus "Eternal Father?"

italo:

Just like you accuse Isaiah of blasphemy for calling Jesus "Eternal Father." We love to be on Isaiah's side, not yours.

italo:

Did Jesus sire Isaiah?

Your brain has told you a new fallacy. That you can only be Father to people younger than you.

ijawkid:
Who is your pope??....and why should he be called holy Father

italo:

Because he is our Holy Father.