mazaje:

The problem is there is is never anywhere, he does nothing, but they keep giving him all the praise and thinking him for doing nothing all of the time. . .A christian kid gets sick, and an atheist or hindu comes and helps, the christians will say its their god that sent the person. . .If the child doesn't get well and his condition worsen's and the child suffers more, then it is the devil or it is not their god's will for the child to get well. . .All one excuse after the other for a god that is never there. . .

Mr anony:
Very good, and you don't think that it is possible God placed you in that position so that those kids could be helped through you?

musKeeto:

My brother, na so Nigerians dey pack come dis syd for medical treatment. You'll see them abusing the Indians for worshiping fake gods, going to shrines... yet they're trooping here in large numbers for medical care. There's a girl who just had an operation. I met her brother yesterday and he said a Nigerian pastor prayed for her before she went into the theater and she got healed..

In exasperation, I asked him "A Hindu girl from a Hindu family in a Hindu nation goes to a Hindu school, spends years studying and gains knowledge to correctly diagnose your sister's health condition, and you have the audacity to attribute her recovery to your Christian GOD?"

He kept quiet while everyone else in the room (all Nigerians) threw strange stares at me. I quickly changed the subject.

mazaje:

Na so, I was in a hospital last year in PH. . .Went to visit my friend's mum. . .Some people there were just screaming on the top of their voices all in the name of prayers. . .One doctor came and told them to stop praying that way because they were disturbing the place and others, immediately they started attacking the guy that he is an agent of the devil and their prayers are disturbing and exposing him. . . .I was forced to talk out of disgust. . .i told them if their prayers work and their god answers prayers they will never be in the hospital in the first place, they will pray for their ward at home and he will be healed, there will be no need for them coming to the hospital if their god truly heals, after all the bible recommended that people be taken to the church elders to be prayed upon when they fall sick. . .As long as they are in the hosital, they have to respet others and stop screaming, if they must pray they must do so quitely. . .You need to see the look on the woman's face after I spoke to her. . .The look on her face was as if she just saw an angle of death or something. . .She was so shocked she couldn't utter a word. . .I know in her mind she will be like, see this guy is satan. . .

Logicboy03:

bolaino: hahahahahaha, lwkmd, logicboy, u be mumu oo, lwkmd, u haf kee me,

mazaje:
Why can't your god help the kids himself by protecting them against the diseases in the first place?. . .Or healing them directly when they get sick, since according to the narrative he can do all these things. . . .

Your god did not place him any where. . .He placed himself where ever he found himself and is using his human compassion to help the kids. . .Your god has nothing to do with anything. . .

bolaino: well I honestly don't think so, the concept of being grateful to God is a very tricky subject, cos if you're thanking God for sending rain to water your crops, you should also acknowledge that it's the same God that allows hurricanes and tsunamis to kill and devastate people.

Imagine a coffin maker thanking God for making his business boom everyday, or thanking God for bringing him more customers, that's where the personal God idea is flawed, I believe there is no personal God that helps cure your headache or provides a multimillion dollar contract for you, things happen because they happen, wiegraf should be better equipped to discuss this, I believe the anthrophic principle would enlighten u more on this subject. There's a saying that when rain falls it falls on both the good and bad people, that's just life.

ezme: Dear Atheist,

Judging from your religious stance, I know that you do not have the psyche of the Believer and therefore would not attribute the outcome of your choices in life to a third party. You know above all things that a sound judgment is the best guide to living your life. You understand the erratic nature of life and therefore make projections accommodating all the "Maybe's" that comes with walking this earth.

You understand that life is a not a story, and you are not automatically the protagonist/hero.You know that there are no dark forces(village people/family/enemies/demons)trying to undermine your every move. You know that you won't get help from a third party supreme being by practicing a religion.In whatever you do, you do not congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either as you know your choices are a half chance and so are everybody else's,irrespective of what they believe.

ezme:
But, do you ever feel the need to be thankful after a run of positive events in your life. The need to attribute these blessings to the handiwork of a supreme being. Do such thoughts blindside you while in traffic when making the return trip from a work day outing?

P.S: I really want to know your thoughts especially those atheist who were formerly Christians or Muslims.

thehomer:

I don't know about you but my life is my story in which I'm the protagonist. Oh there actually could be people trying to undermine your moves maybe to get ahead. The thing is that those wishing you harm cannot do this using magic.



No I don't feel the need to attribute anything to a supreme being so such thoughts don't even occur to me. When something surprising happens, I thank those responsible either directly or indirectly by learning and appreciating whatever it is.

What was the last thing you thanked someone for?

Mr anony:
Would you like a world where no one could ever possibly get sick? Would such a world prove God to you?

Mr anony:
If what you say here is true, then I don't see any reason why you should be concerned about sick and dying children neither do I see any reason why you should help them. That's just life, things just happen right?

PhenomenonVFX:
WTF
I think theism needs better defenders.

Mr anony:
If what you say here is true, then I don't see any reason why you should be concerned about sick and dying children neither do I see any reason why you should help them. That's just life, things just happen right?

Logicboy03:


I thought that I was the only one seeing the nonsensical nonsense that Anony was writing.

How does it relate to the fact that God keeps silent and watches as how babies die, children suffer starvation and abuse.

Well, God sat and watched as his son Jesus was beaten, tortured and crucified like a beast and then forsook him on the cross....

lagerwhenindoubt:

that's cos he is a masochistic monkey-wrench.. he loves the pain and suffering

bolaino: why should'nt I help sick kids? I believe providence has put me in a position to be of help to people who can't help themselves, and I have chosen, as a responsible human being to help as much people as I can,

ezme:
Is the bolded not part of characteristics of the Utopian earth you describe as Heaven?

Mr anony:
Would you like to live in such a place as Heaven?

Mr anony:
You see my problem with you here is that your argument is not consistent. If your argument is that life just happens, then if the kids suffer and die it is just their luck, if the kids survive and live healthy, it is also just their luck. Likewise, if you help them, it is just their luck, if you don't help them, it is also just their luck. Whether you are rich or poor it is just your luck, whether they suffer or not it is also just their luck. Whether you help or not, life just happens. Where then exactly does the "responsibility" you are talking about come from?

Mr anony:
Would you like a world where no one could ever possibly get sick? Would such a world prove God to you?

The bold is a terrible contradiction. You either placed yourself somewhere or you found yourself somewhere not both. So which is it?

mazaje:

The responsibility comes from his compassion as a human being to another human he see is in need of help. . .Why do you keep asking silly and weak questions?. . .

ezme: You would find my view on this here >>> https://www.nairaland.com/1219892/how-appealing-promise-eternal-life

Logicboy03:


C'mon.....Majaze, you know the answer to that!

Anony asks this questions to shift the argument from his weak point to a place where you are on the defensive


Atheist; Anony, why should I thank God for my wealth but not thank him for the suffering of children in Somalia

Anony; Have you done anything for children in somalia

Atheist;

mazaje:
As some one rightly pointed out, isn't that the utopia you guys call heaven?. . .I will love a world where your god will do his job, at least hell the sick kids whose parents are constantly praying for them to be healed without relying on humans to do everything for him, since you guys claim he exist and interferes in the world. . .

The position he fond himself is has nothing to do with your god. . .

mazaje:
The responsibility comes from his compassion as a human being to another human he see is in need of help. . .Why do you keep asking silly and weak questions?. . .

Mr anony:
you still haven't answered my question. Do you want a world without sickness? Yes or no? because if you don't, then you have no business complaining that there are sick people in the world you currently live in.

How do you know this to be true?

Mr anony:
Lol, do you even know what a responsibility is? The fact that you want to do something does not place a responsibility upon you to do it

Mr anony:
Will I be right to conclude that you don't want to live in a place like heaven?

ezme:

I'm not responsible for the conclusions you draw from reading my premises.

mazaje:

And this means what?