aka tonero: Wetin Oba of Benin dey chop self? Him no dey old.Benin i hail ooooooooh!!!

naptu2:

The controversy is not about the origin of the Oba. There are many variations on the story, but let me quickly give two accounts, just to make things clearer.

1) (Lagos version) Olofin, an Awori from Isheri, who is also believed to be a son of Oduduwa founded Lagos. He and his sons founded a fisherman cooperative society called Aladejo, or Idejo for short. He made Ashipa, a yoruba man with a Benin wife, mediator between his quarrelling children. When Ashipa died, Olofin invited Addo, the son of Ashipa, to return from Benin to take up the role (after the quarrel between Olofin and the Oba of Benin had been resolved). The Idejo gave him land, a disused pepper farm, on which he built his house (Iga Idungaran - Palace on a pepper farm). When the Europeans arrived, they mistook the wealthy mediator (Oba of Lagos) for the king.

2) (Benin version): Oba Orhogbua of Benin had established a war camp (Eko) as a base for raids against Dahomey. He placed a viceroy, Aisikahienbore, over Lagos. When the viceroyy died, Edo, his son, succeeded him. The Oba had imprisoned Olofin (who originally lived on the land) in Benin. The Oba later released Olofin after Olofin promised to obey the viceroy. The yoruba corrupted both names to Ashipa and Ado.

These are just two versions of the story. There are more. However, all the stories agree on some basic facts. (1) The Oba of Lagos came from Benin. (2) The Idejo are awori descendants of Oduduwa. (3) The Oba of Lagos owns no land, except for the palace (Iga Idungaran). The Idejo own the land of Lagos (Onikoyi owns Ikoyi, Ojora owns Ijora, Oniru own Iru [Victoria Island+Maroko], etc).

Usually, when there's a war in Lagos, the war chiefs, who came from Benin with the Oba would stay and fight, while the Idejo would retire to their lands. The dual nature of the origin of Lagos has caused a lot of controversy in the past. Some chiefs have declared that the Oba has only limited authority over them, either because (1) they were also kings in Benin (eg Obanikoro), or (2) because they see the Oba as being merely a mediator.

saintvalx: @Musiwa28, you're derailing this thread. Oba of Lagos visits Oba of Benin, which one is Kano Pillers vs Julius Berger?


@post, my question is Oba of Benin never leaves his palace, why?

Akanniade:
Hmmm but his great grand father could not teleport when the British had him in chains and exiled him to calabar.

saintvalx: @Musiwa28, you're derailing this thread. Oba of Lagos visits Oba of Benin, which one is Kano Pillers vs Julius Berger?


@post, my question is Oba of Benin never leaves his palace, why?

Mariojane: .u will answer ur question urself. if ur pastor shud call u dt on a particular day sometin will happen to u,do u think u can escape it even if u enter enter inside hole?was Jesus nt always escaping pharisees problems nd persecution bt when it was time to surrender himself he did just dt.re u now going to ask dt Jesus could nt save himself on d cross just as d thief in his left hand ask him?always think abt ur questions b4 u ask so dat ur mouth will nt put u in trouble. dont u knw d oba dt was taken to calabar futures has been foretold that his rein will be short bt his name will live forever. just as people remember him today. u can only delay ur future bt u cant change it

dabrake: why did he snub retardinho?

gunpoint: One is an OBA, the other is a puppet! The oba of lagos has become a puppet.
FYI I am yoruba so shutzafvckup!

plaindealer:



The snub goes beyond the Oba not showing up while GEJ sat foolishly and unattended to, GEJ was take to a non ceremonial part of the palace meaning the Oba didn't take him seriously or not worthy enough to be received at the main grand palace...

ifihearam: I thought the Oba of lagos was a first class king oooo,why should he leave his throne to visit another king??

i cant imagine the sultan of sokoto making such unpleasant visits or the highly revered Olu of warri.

Saint Chukz: Did you know? - These two OBA's are in-laws. Yes, they are related by marriage because an Edo princess i.e a daughter to The OBA of Benin is married to one of the Son's of The OBA of Lagos. I doubt many of you knew that.

saintvalx: @Musiwa28, you're derailing this thread. Oba of Lagos visits Oba of Benin, which one is Kano Pillers vs Julius Berger?


@post, my question is Oba of Benin never leaves his palace, why?

Dudu_Negro:
You Binis wrap too much mystery and fables around Omo N'Oba than he deserves. You are destroying the true value of the throne. It is disrespectful to the Oba's stool of authority to portray him demeaning or belittling an important guest to his domain. This issue of Gej bein received with disrespect and dismiss by the Oba should be corrected. Kings are magnanimous and embracing, it is not good to portray His Highness as a cold and calculating leader. I hope you will stop circulating this picture of Gej.....it speaks ill of the palace, please stop it.

mbhs139:

You are wrong bro. The same person is in the same all pics. The Oba of Benin don't seat nor see eye-ball to eye-ball with another Oba. It's a taboo.

muyen666:
as a yoruba man..it is always annoying when u hear versions of our origin..even the so called oduduwa have different stories and d only one with some sense in it is d one dat says he was a benin prince

bright007: ...you mean u havnt heard that oduduwa fell from the sky?...some version even has it that he climbed down with a chain...but i just some questions to ask....if that version is correct,who made the chain? and most importantly,where is the chain now?

PhysicsQED:

Ifihearam is not Bini, but is someone who claims to be Itsekiri and makes it a point to insult Binis and the Benin monarchy whenever he or she gets the chance. You only need to look at his/her past posts to see this. She or he has never claimed to be Bini but has repeatedly claimed to be Itsekiri.

The people re-posting the picture of the so-called "snub" of GEJ (it wasn't a snub) by the Oba of Benin on this forum and who keep claiming GEJ was snubbed were overwhelmingly all ACN (and now APC) supporters, several of these posters being Yorubas, not Binis.

Binis can wrap as much "fable and mystery" around their king as Binis want to. Since other peoples do that as well, I don't see why the Edo can't do the same.

Also, I haven't seen any actual Binis in this thread claiming the Oba of Benin has never left his throne to visit others or that he never leaves the palace. The Oba has visited multiple other monarchs (and a governor) before.

Dudu_Negro:

Yes, Oba of Lagos is a Sovereign King and there is nothing in the palace protocol that forbids his visit to anywhere in his domain if he chooses to do so. He is likewise not forbidden to honor invitations from outside the domain.

The Yoruba culture reveres the throne and views a King as a divine. Therefore his public appearance must be veiled and guarded, shrouded in mystery.

You don't know the history of Sokoto Caliphate, if you did you would not have said that Sultan does not visit outside his domain. You don't hear about it but he does visit his Emirates.

You Binis wrap too much mystery and fables around Omo N'Oba than he deserves. You are destroying the true value of the throne. It is disrespectful to the Oba's stool of authority to portray him demeaning or belittling an important guest to his domain. This issue of Gej bein received with disrespect and dismiss by the Oba should be corrected. Kings are magnanimous and embracing, it is not good to portray His Highness as a cold and calculating leader. I hope you will stop circulating this picture of Gej.....it speaks ill of the palace, please stop it.

babanaba:

Could you copy and paste one of such comments?What makesyou think that Binins are those writing such comments?Do you know that I have seen all kinds of people who claim to be Binins or are from Benin City only to discover that they were only born in the City(Benin)?

tpia@:
there are places in nigeria that you dont just go to anyhow unless you get special armour.



yorubas are many there but they must be the strong type. Either that or something else.

braine: Two great Obas. Traditional history in the making. I know I'll be a king one day.

Afro connect: Traditions and ties...very nice.The convergence of Royal fathers that have lots of respect from the people, is a sure way of fostering better relationships between peoples and finding solutions to societal and National challenges.
May we always uphold our valuable cultures of love,brotherhood and solidarity.

Dudu_Negro:

I think that's a biased statement in highlight. All people have played on this picture to ridicule GEJ. Binis have, Yorubas have and Igbos have. The bottom line is, it needs to stop because it positions the palace in bad light and it doesnt matter if the visit happened in Ife or Sokoto or Onitsha....this is not what Kings do to VIPs on visits to them.

Of course you can....but Omo N'Oba is portrayed as someone who can order a shut down of the Nigerian democracy if he so wishes. He cannot even shut down the Edo state government. We are in new realities of rulership now and though we must continue to revere the stool of authority and uphold its eminence, but we must not create falsehoods around the throne. Objectivity is more important than invicibility....the Oba is not invicible as Binis portray him.

Saint Chukz: Did you know? - These two OBA's are in-laws. Yes, they are related by marriage because an Edo princess i.e a daughter to The OBA of Benin is married to one of the Son's of The OBA of Lagos. I doubt many of you knew that.

MacLovington: .

Ol' boy where did you hear that?

When the Oba of Benin paid a nationwide thank-you visit to all the Obis, Obas, Emirs etc who came to his coronation, you mean he sent a body double? I had some relatives in his convoy.

Maybe you were not even born then.